Re: [Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
I do think that it is ironic that many people will see the new ESRI certification as a strong validation of GIS skills, but apparently through anecdotes, these same people would have a very difficult time doing these same universal geospatial tasks in QGIS. Working in a mixed OpenSource/Proprietary environment, what I really like is that I have thought and learned more about what is going on behind the scenes, the actual spatial operations, transformations, etc. Hopefully, once introduced, these people will realize that QGIS isn't very hard to use. I honestly think that the transition from ArcGIS to QGIS is more simple than Photoshop to GIMP or even Word to Pages on the Mac... David. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 01/08/2011 05:10 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il giorno sab, 08/01/2011 alle 11.36 +0100, xavi ha scritto: I think that maybe it's off-topic, but please, I want to know your opinion on this question :) Thanks for your interest. I do not think it is OT. I reiterate what I wrote on qgis-dev (sorry for crossposting): === I was referring to the statement: The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities I am sure the *investment* in QGIS is far more effective, functions for money, that any other. When organizations stop (or reduce) their investment in proprietary GIS solutions, and channel the same resources into QGIS, the advantages are evident. What is wrong is to compare investment in one solution with no investment in the other. === More generally, I think the many institutions around the world that are more or less formally evaluating QGIS would do much better doing it in the open, collaborative fashion that we use for all QGIS activities. A closer contact with the QGIS developer and user community would bring advantages to all. All the best. I completely agree with your sentiments but realize there are ongoing constraints. In this case, which sounds similar to many gov agencies I've worked with their is a well established core GIS group with many years experience on ArcGIS, but what the org is looking for is a way to roll basic GIS viewing/exploring or custom data entry apps to the rest of their users. Moving their existing GIS specialists off of ArcGIS would be traumatic and require significant retraining time which is why they probably can't jump all at once. That and they may have specific custom workflows built in Arc already. Our hope can be that if many users in an org start using QGIS, the GIS specialists will also get a taste and may move more towards FOSS for many of their projects when it fits. I've seen an anecdotal trend amongst people I work with moving parts of their work to QGIS because they need Postgis functionality for massive geoqueries that were crashing Arc. So I see it as a win even if just a small one. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
On 01/08/2011 05:10 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il giorno sab, 08/01/2011 alle 11.36 +0100, xavi ha scritto: I think that maybe it's off-topic, but please, I want to know your opinion on this question :) Thanks for your interest. I do not think it is OT. I reiterate what I wrote on qgis-dev (sorry for crossposting): === I was referring to the statement: The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities I am sure the *investment* in QGIS is far more effective, functions for money, that any other. When organizations stop (or reduce) their investment in proprietary GIS solutions, and channel the same resources into QGIS, the advantages are evident. What is wrong is to compare investment in one solution with no investment in the other. === More generally, I think the many institutions around the world that are more or less formally evaluating QGIS would do much better doing it in the open, collaborative fashion that we use for all QGIS activities. A closer contact with the QGIS developer and user community would bring advantages to all. All the best. I completely agree with your sentiments but realize there are ongoing constraints. In this case, which sounds similar to many gov agencies I've worked with their is a well established core GIS group with many years experience on ArcGIS, but what the org is looking for is a way to roll basic GIS viewing/exploring or custom data entry apps to the rest of their users. Moving their existing GIS specialists off of ArcGIS would be traumatic and require significant retraining time which is why they probably can't jump all at once. That and they may have specific custom workflows built in Arc already. Our hope can be that if many users in an org start using QGIS, the GIS specialists will also get a taste and may move more towards FOSS for many of their projects when it fits. I've seen an anecdotal trend amongst people I work with moving parts of their work to QGIS because they need Postgis functionality for massive geoqueries that were crashing Arc. So I see it as a win even if just a small one. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
I just like to add more info about this article - Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution. I think this just a start on the project of using Open Source for Victoria’s new Forest and Parks Monitoring and Reporting Information System (FPMRIS). Read this link to get the full picture of their plan. http://www.scribd.com/doc/37527520/15arspc-Submission-86 Most of the consulting firms ask to help to implement the project lack knowledge on the capabilities of OSGeo and indept technical expertise on the subject they are addressing, hence, the initial approach and solution are quite swallow. Noli On 1/10/11, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 01/08/2011 05:10 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il giorno sab, 08/01/2011 alle 11.36 +0100, xavi ha scritto: I think that maybe it's off-topic, but please, I want to know your opinion on this question :) Thanks for your interest. I do not think it is OT. I reiterate what I wrote on qgis-dev (sorry for crossposting): === I was referring to the statement: The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities I am sure the *investment* in QGIS is far more effective, functions for money, that any other. When organizations stop (or reduce) their investment in proprietary GIS solutions, and channel the same resources into QGIS, the advantages are evident. What is wrong is to compare investment in one solution with no investment in the other. === More generally, I think the many institutions around the world that are more or less formally evaluating QGIS would do much better doing it in the open, collaborative fashion that we use for all QGIS activities. A closer contact with the QGIS developer and user community would bring advantages to all. All the best. I completely agree with your sentiments but realize there are ongoing constraints. In this case, which sounds similar to many gov agencies I've worked with their is a well established core GIS group with many years experience on ArcGIS, but what the org is looking for is a way to roll basic GIS viewing/exploring or custom data entry apps to the rest of their users. Moving their existing GIS specialists off of ArcGIS would be traumatic and require significant retraining time which is why they probably can't jump all at once. That and they may have specific custom workflows built in Arc already. Our hope can be that if many users in an org start using QGIS, the GIS specialists will also get a taste and may move more towards FOSS for many of their projects when it fits. I've seen an anecdotal trend amongst people I work with moving parts of their work to QGIS because they need Postgis functionality for massive geoqueries that were crashing Arc. So I see it as a win even if just a small one. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
I think that maybe it's off-topic, but please, I want to know your opinion on this question :) El ds 08 de 01 de 2011 a les 08:59 +0100, en/na Paolo Cavallini va escriure: Il giorno ven, 07/01/2011 alle 23.03 +1100, Noli Sicad ha scritto: DSE is now undertaking a larger trial of Quantum GIS to determine its suitability. The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities, rather provide a complimentary alternative for basic view, query and map production tasks. Well, frankly I think the are wrong, but better than nothing. Thanks Noli. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
Il giorno sab, 08/01/2011 alle 11.36 +0100, xavi ha scritto: I think that maybe it's off-topic, but please, I want to know your opinion on this question :) Thanks for your interest. I do not think it is OT. I reiterate what I wrote on qgis-dev (sorry for crossposting): === I was referring to the statement: The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities I am sure the *investment* in QGIS is far more effective, functions for money, that any other. When organizations stop (or reduce) their investment in proprietary GIS solutions, and channel the same resources into QGIS, the advantages are evident. What is wrong is to compare investment in one solution with no investment in the other. === More generally, I think the many institutions around the world that are more or less formally evaluating QGIS would do much better doing it in the open, collaborative fashion that we use for all QGIS activities. A closer contact with the QGIS developer and user community would bring advantages to all. All the best. -- http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] Selecting an Enterprise GIS Solution - QGIS is Selected!
Il giorno ven, 07/01/2011 alle 23.03 +1100, Noli Sicad ha scritto: DSE is now undertaking a larger trial of Quantum GIS to determine its suitability. The use of Quantum GIS is not intended to replace DSE's investment in ArcGIS for more sophisticated analysis, mapping and data management activities, rather provide a complimentary alternative for basic view, query and map production tasks. Well, frankly I think the are wrong, but better than nothing. Thanks Noli. -- http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
