Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
Incredible, just amazing! I just used my QPC2 win drive and it just worked, not only that it seems to be only slightly slower with comparable boot times :-) I've just changed the native drive access to 'dos' and now have total compatibility. On 20/01/2013 05:41, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hi all, SMSQmulator, the SMSQ/E machine emulator under Java is now out. You can find it at : www.wlenerz.com/SMSQmulator. (Please note that, the site running under linux, this address is case dependent - g!). Have fun with it. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
On 22/01/13 06:27, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Hmm, they're getting closer and closer, Orcale will soon be based on OpenJDK or vice-versa. They might be getting closer, Java is standard after all, but the two are not yet compatible. I do documentation for the Firebird Database project (www.firebirdsql.org) using DocBook and the xsl-fo to pdf conversion utility fop, barfs with a null pointer exception under OpenJDK and works perfectly under Oracle Java. In addition, when building HTML, which works with both JDKs, it takes 32 seconds with Oracle and 12 minutes with OpenJDK. Unfortunately, OpenJDK isn't always faster than Oracle and I'd rather not use Java if I didn't have to! ;-) Anyway, slightly off topic, I'll stop ranting now! Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] SMSQmulator DATE$
Has anyone else noticed a time offset between the host OS time and the SMSQ/E time? My SMSQ/E time is +2 hours (running on XP Pro SP3 with JRE6 Update 32 as a limited user)... John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux
I looked into this on xubuntu 12.04.1. Long story short: needs a recompile against current libraries. A bit more detail if someone is interested: readelf -a QLAY | less tells us that the binary needs /lib/ld-linux.so.1 INTERP 0xd4 0x08d4 0x 0x00013 0x00013 R 0x1 [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-linux.so.1] and ldd QLAY shows that an older libc shared library is requested. libc.so.5 = not found I then checked if the current versions work with the binary by creating symlinks with old version names to current libraries: sudo ln -s /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.5 sudo ln -s /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/ld-linux.so.1 Trying to run QLAY now produces the following error: ./QLAY: symbol lookup error: ./QLAY: undefined symbol: __setfpucw which makes sense as __setfpucw does not exist in current glibc versions: http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man3/__setfpucw.3.html So, the current library distributions won't work with the old binary and a recompile is necessary. The source package does not seem to contain a Linux Makefile so some work would be needed to recompile. Best regards, Petri On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Timothy Swenson swenso...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I just downloaded QLAY and tried it on my Lubuntu 12.4 system. I'm getting the same odd error that the user reported. I made sure that the file was executable, so I did a 'chmod 777 QLAY'. When I did './QLAY', I got the same no sure file or directory. The command 'strace ./QLAY' did not show much. Basically, an execve call was made and it returned ENOENT, which is the same as no such file or directory. There was an llseek system call that returned ESPIPE or Illegal seek. I've never seen Linux or Unix not find a file like that. The file system can see the file. I can chmod the file. I can cat the file. I can rename the file, but trying to execute it, the file can't be found. One suggestion is that the user download the source code and see if he can build it himself. I just tried it and had a number of compiler errors. If the user is not a C person, he may not get it to compile. Has anyone successfully compiled QLAY lately? The source code was last touched in 1999, so it might be a little rusty. Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on Linux. DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software. I've run stuff that was created in 1986 and it ran fine. Tim Swenson __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux
QLay Linux.. Thanks Timothy and Petri. I have forwarded the replies to the person who asked about it. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux
Timothy Swenson wrote, on 22/Jan/13 03:08 | Jan22: snip Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on Linux. DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software. I've run stuff that was created in 1986 and it ran fine. I too use it for my 16 bit Arcplus business software (Archive derived). I am still using programs I wrote in 1986 under QL Archive. and still finding bugs (8-)# Beware of the std version though if you want obscure DOS commands. You will need the 'megabuild' version (for commands like net for instance which I use for redirecting lpt1 to windows printers). Isn't it a pain that modern Windows have abandoned 16 bit software. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
Malcolm Lear wrote: Incredible, just amazing! I just used my QPC2 win drive and it just worked, not only that it seems to be only slightly slower with comparable boot times :-) I've just changed the native drive access to 'dos' and now have total compatibility. The combination of Native File Access (NFA) and SMS File Access (SFA - interesting abbreviation!) makes it handy for transferring files between the host operating system and an SMSQ environment. Has anyone checked if the SFA drives are compatible with either QLay or QemuLator executables stored on their QDOSMS drives? Probably not since SFA drives have to work across the various OSes Java might run on, but you never know. Coupled with QXL.WIN access and floppy images, I think Wolfgang must have put a huge amount of work and thought into the file handling. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux
Timothy Swenson wrote, on 22/Jan/13 03:08 | Jan22:snipFWIW. This is possibly stating the obvious (and therefore, may not be applicable to resolving the problem), but QLAY does NOT have an image of the QL's ROM code and an SBYTEd image of the JS ROM (or, any other suitable code -- MINERVA is okay) needs to be included for the emulation to function. Al Feng Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50fe86d7c9f466d773e6st04vuc ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Timothy Swenson swenso...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on Linux. DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software. I've run stuff that was created in 1986 and it ran fine. That's a great idea, I tried it on xubuntu 12.04.1 dosbox and it ran fine. /Petri ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:27:21 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz w...@scp-paulet-lenerz.com wrote: Hi, I apologise for the confusion. the 19 seconds is to draw the puzzle from pressing 1. To boot SMSQmulator on the 256MB Raspberry Pi is something around six minutes. No you didn't get it wrong, that's exactly what I understood. I just didn't have the figure for the boot time, but inferred that is was less than 20 mins. Still, 6 mins an a pi and 20 mins on a 2 Ghz machine? Strange. I haven't tested it on my pi yet, but 6 and 20 minutes seems very odd to me. Unless I'm doing something wrong, boot time on a 3.4GHz PhenomII is less than 2 seconds. The 3 games all load instantly, Xchange in less than 2 seconds and the individual programs starts immediately. This is on OpenSUSE 11.4 with openjdk 1.6.0_24. Kjartan ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
As far as I know, this is the only java app I have.. Kjartan On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:58:18 +0100, Tobias Fröschle tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: On my MacBook, it's (hard to tell) about half speed of QPC2 and way fast enough. How do other java apps behave on your PC? Tobias Gesendet mit AquaMail für Android http://www.aqua-mail.com Am 21. Januar 2013 17:40:27 schrieb Kjartan Geble Olsen kjartan.geble.ol...@lyse.net: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:41:17 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz w...@scp-paulet-lenerz.com wrote: Hi all, SMSQmulator, the SMSQ/E machine emulator under Java is now out. Just tried it, seems to be 5.5 times faster than my old SGC on a PhenomII X4 965. Kjartan ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
Ok, here comes Second impressions: Testing SMSQmulatorBoth SMSQ emulators boot into my standard setup Platform: MacBook Pro 13Intel Core Duo P7550 @ 2.26 GHz, 4GB Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bitSMSQmulator v1.00, 1024x640, 16MB, Cursor delay 200 QPC2 3.34, 1024x768, 16MB, Lowest, Idle SMSQm QPC2 Times faster bogomips 1.4, cursor not visible 6.83 140.18 20.53 bogomips 1.4, cursor blinking 3.15 134.21 42.61 Dhrystone C68, v2.1 millisecs 131.67 12.43 10.59 Ds/s 7595.03 80342.87 10.58Vax Mips 4.34 45.73 10.55 Dhrystone GCC, v2.1 millisecs 102.20 9.40 10.87Ds/s 9784.73 106383.00 10.87Vax Mips 5.56 60.55 10.89 If this table is readable, youll see that on my standard system, SMSQmulator runs at about 1/11th the speed of QPC2. Not bad! I can see a use for this system as a quick and easy way to look up something on the QL side, edit a document, etc, without having to boot up the whole environment. But for that to be practical, Id need for SMSQmulator not to die as easily as it does: Any resetting or quitting should present a Did you really mean that Y/N? dialogue. Also, there should be an option to stop or slow down the emulator when not in use, eg when minimising, as it maxes out one core and the fan frequently fires up when its running. (A desktop icon might be nice too ;) I did experience one problem: In one of my Qlib-compiled programs, parts of the text displayed as null-characters. I experienced this before in uQLx or QLay (I seem to recall) but managed to fix it - or so I thought. It could be due to an error in one of my extensions. Funny it should present again here, as it now works across the board elsewhere. But I shant bother you with this, as Im sure the problem is mine. Great work, Wolfgang! Per On 20 January 2013 14:25, Wolfgang Lenerz w...@scp-paulet-lenerz.comwrote: Hi Per, Thanks... ... and what about second impressions ? :-) (Just fishing for compliments here...) Wolfgang Le 20/01/2013 13:39, Per Witte a écrit : First impression: WOW! :) Per QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
I have a Vista laptop. Advice please on how to obtain, install and run this emulator with Xchange included. Later it will be my Raspberry-pi when I have it up and running with the Atrix lapdock. Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
1. Make sure your computer has Java 6 or 7 installed (if not, try downloading from http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp) 2. Get SMSQmulator from Wolfgang Lenerz's website at http://www.wlenerz.com/SMSQmulator 3. It downloads as a zip file. Unzip this into a folder on your Windows hard disk. 4. Double click on the SMSQmulator.jar file (or make a shortcut to it from your desktop or start menu in the usual Windows way!). That's all - the emulator should now start. 5. It starts up with a QXL.WIN called SMSQmulator.win automatically, giving you three games and a copy of Xchange (which has to be run in a screen size of at least 512x512 or it won't work properly) you can use straight away. 6. It comes with a couple of PDF file manuals in the zip file which will tell you everything you need to use SMSQmulator! Enjoy! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Bryan Horstmann Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:25 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator I have a Vista laptop. Advice please on how to obtain, install and run this emulator with Xchange included. Later it will be my Raspberry-pi when I have it up and running with the Atrix lapdock. Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6041 - Release Date: 01/18/13 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator
On 1/22/2013 12:25 PM, Bryan Horstmann wrote: I have a Vista laptop. Advice please on how to obtain, install and run this emulator Installing SMSQmulator for Windows XP, Vista, or Windows 7 is the same. The User Guide included with SMSQmulator has a walk-through of the unpacking and getting the emulator running. There is no install process with something like InstallShield. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQmulator DATE$
That is one item that I did not test. I've tested 'print date$' on two systems (Windows XP and Linux) and got the same behavior. The local time is 1630 hrs and the SMSQmulator output is 02:30 (of the next day) That is a ten hour difference. This is +2 GMT. Not sure what time zone that is. Can others in other time zones check their systems and see if SMSQmulator is defaulting to the same time zone? Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
