Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24/09/2013 17:38, Per Witte wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; I don't think you should blame yourself. It is a universal problem in the QL community. in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The tragedy is that Norman now has had feedback and knows from the number of people that registered with him how much his articles were appreciated. I found it frustrating as editor of QL Today that we had very little feedback. In the later years there was a heavy emphasis on assembler and I wondered whether it was too technical for most readers. Given the reaction to Norman's registration offer I think perhaps not. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. I think one of the problems we have is that there are many people in the QL community who are loyal to the QL, but who are no longer active QL-ers. We should never forget how revolutionary the QL was at the beginning and how much that meant to people. Since the last issue was published I have had an email from a former trader from the black box days who came across some old issues of QL Today on eBay. He now seems to follow my website and is one of the people who bought a subscription to volume 17 to get the DVD. He has never seen QPC and is looking forward to trying it out. One of the things I like about the web is that you get feedback from the statistics although it is not easy to discover who are the QL-ers and who not. (I get numerous hits from China - their search engine robot!) Nevertheless I get an idea of what topics people are interested in. This is one of the reasons I think an in depth website would be a good idea, but, guess what, no feedback! Finally to get on my favourite hobby horse, the Quanta officers want the members to be apathetic. The organisation has frequently stifled discussion and the constitutional amendments in the last decade were designed to decrease democracy rather than increase it. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Thanks from me to our, all too few, faithful writers. I first felt QL Today was becoming editorially unviable 3 years ago, but we managed to go on for another 3 years. I particularly liked the practical nostalgia content of the final issue, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Per Witte schreef op 24/09/2013 19:09: On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Per, Thank you for that oneliner ... but shouldn't the compiled prog be Minimise_obj (QLib) or Minimise_task (turbo) instead of Minimise_exe. Lack of feedback? You can't expect hunderds of feedbacks from a community of a few tens of persons, can you? This is the first reaction to your prog, I am sure others will follow. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Per Witte wrote: PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). Thanks for all the feedback so far! I've just arrived back from a (much needed) holiday in Istanbul. Of course QPC2 will be made available for all later on, but I want to finish the installer first and time is somewhat limited currently. Until then it remains an exclusive bonus for all loyal QLT readers. In the rush to finish for the DVD I've also revised the manual as much as I could. QPC2 v4 uses a new configuration scheme and even experienced QPC users should read the chapter about the new way things are done to avoid surprises. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Am 24.09.2013 um 19:09 schrieb Per Witte: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : All, I was about to write a review for the magazine, but alas,.. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24 September 2013 22:35, François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be wrote: Per Witte schreef op 24/09/2013 19:09: On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Per, Thank you for that oneliner ... but shouldn't the compiled prog be Minimise_obj (QLib) or Minimise_task (turbo) instead of Minimise_exe. Lack of feedback? You can't expect hunderds of feedbacks from a community of a few tens of persons, can you? This is the first reaction to your prog, I am sure others will follow. François Van Emelen Hundreds would have been nice. Sometimes just one might have been enough. obj/task/exe: Notice I didnt specify which compiler? I didnt want to risk starting a war.. ;) Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] GST assemblers
With much appreciated help from Rich Mellor, the GST QL Assembler, Macro Assembler and Quanta Q-Mac are now available to download from my website at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/asm/index.html The Macro Assembler is available as a floppy disk version, or a two microdrive cartridge (program and library cartridges) version. Thomas Kral will be glad to know the editor is included now. Manuals are also available to download as PDF files. Note that the manual for the QL Assembler is rather large by QL standards at about 10MB. Urs Koenig got permission from GST’s founder to release GST’s QL software as freeware a little while back, and Quanta committee decided after that to allow the Q-Mac (Quanta modified version of the Macro Assembler) to be mad eavailable for all QL users (previously only available to members). I have to explain that these packages were prepared in rather a hurry tonight as I have to get up early for work tomorrow, so I haven’t had time to test them, especially as I am not familiar with these programs, so if anyone finds problems, please let me know (e.g. missing files). Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
