Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 04/02/2014 17:20, Dave Park wrote:

Here's one:

I would try to have a skype video link established, since I cannot attend
in person.

I would run a "virtual stall" showing my new range of products. Depending
on when in the year it is organised, this might be the new UltimIDE, the
UltraQ multi-interface board, or even QL2! I would be able to offer "show
pricing"...

Dave
Sandy Electronics

Good, a Skype link is a good idea, although we have had this idea in the 
past but nothing happened in practice. However, several years and 
Quanta's recent Skype experience on, there is more hope on this occasion.


We now have four possible topics. Any more?

Best wishes,


Geoff
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Re: [Ql-Users] Teleconference idea

2014-02-04 Thread Mark Martin
In light of recently revived discussion regarding planning the show, I
suppose I should get on the ball and see if there's a possibility we could
get chat working.

Here's a short 5 question survey that may help me organize some
semi-regular chat sessions.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q79JG2Q


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Dilwyn Jones
wrote:

> I like the sound of this and wish you well with looking into it. The big
> benefit is that it can be international and even useful for those in
> Britain who can't get to traditional workshops.
>
> I can assure you that you won't be treading on committee toes - I for one
> quite like it when people come up with ideas like this. Given that Quanta
> has come in for some heavy criticism recently, it's nice to see things like
> this being proposed independently.
>
> It could actually set a model for more future QL meetings now that the
> traditional workshops are not well attended.
>
> Dilwyn Jones
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Mark Martin
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:57 PM
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: [Ql-Users] Teleconference idea
>
>
> Recent discussions about holding a physical meeting have gotten me
> thinking. Someone mentioned skyping as a possibility, and I can tell you
> that another retro computing group (the CoCo group) have held online-only
> events in the past. These were very informal and low-key, and while they
> were repeated only a handful of times, they were extremely easy to
> coordinate.
>
> Along that line, I'm offering for your consideration two proposals:
>
> -- The informal approach is that I will lead an effort to determine the
> most common IM program used among interested parties (hopefully Skype). I
> will collect contact information and then schedule a first call. I'll try
> to gather consensus on a schedule and an agenda. In other words, I will
> facilitate and then happily let others lead discussions they are interested
> in.
>
> -- The Big Bang approach is to model after what the virtual tabletop
> role-playing conventions do -- they host schedules for individual tables,
> and allow interested parties to lead those "tables". They allow signup for
> these tables and coordinate all of the interested parties into a
> (essentially) private meeting space. These are essentially a large online,
> virtual convention -- but focused on smaller interest topics (in this case,
> individual role playing game sessions). I could perhaps leverage websites
> that cater to this type of convention and, again, help facilitate smaller
> groups to get together at various times over some pre-planned convention
> weekend.
>
> I do not intend to step on Quantas toes here as I know they are separately
> trying to schedule a more robust and higher scale venture. I'm more
> interested in seeing if there is interest in something a lot less formal,
> on the side, and not necessarily tied to any Quanta business -- global in
> scale. I have very little to no budget to do this, although I believe there
> isn't much need for such a budget.  This is mostly a volunteer time kind of
> thing for all parties.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Dave Park
Here's one:

I would try to have a skype video link established, since I cannot attend
in person.

I would run a "virtual stall" showing my new range of products. Depending
on when in the year it is organised, this might be the new UltimIDE, the
UltraQ multi-interface board, or even QL2! I would be able to offer "show
pricing"...

Dave
Sandy Electronics


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Geoff Wicks  wrote:

> On 04/02/2014 08:35, John Gilpin wrote:
>
>> Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great
>> pleasure in advising you as follows:
>>
>> At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic of a
>> Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided that if, due
>> to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able to support his
>> venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our name to the QLis30
>> pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a maximum of £500. It was
>> also decided that QUANTA may offer further support by attending the event
>> to show a QUANTA presence.
>>
>> This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness to
>> support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend in order
>> to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to support" both
>> of which have received some criticism of late on this list.
>>
>> As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any
>> further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.
>>
>>
> Thank you Quanta.  This is a very fair offer and realistically the maximum
> you can afford.
>
> However, a warning. Has the thinking progressed further than finance, a
> hall and tables? So far I have heard no one come with plans of how you
> would fill such an event. The great success of QL2004  and QLis21 was that
> we had an idea of the program the details of a venue, and we publicised
> those ideas right from the start.
>
> By comparison QLis25 was a damp squib.
>
> I seen no point in QLis30 unless is has a wider benefit for all QL-ers
> including non-attendees and unless it gives the QL a kick into the future,
>
> Best Wishes,
>
>
> Geoff
>
> PS I already have an idea for three topics I would like to see, but want
> first to hear ideas from other people.
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 04/02/2014 08:35, John Gilpin wrote:
Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great 
pleasure in advising you as follows:


At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic 
of a Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided 
that if, due to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able 
to support his venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our 
name to the QLis30 pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a 
maximum of £500. It was also decided that QUANTA may offer further 
support by attending the event to show a QUANTA presence.


This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness 
to support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend 
in order to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to 
support" both of which have received some criticism of late on this list.


As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any 
further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.




Thank you Quanta.  This is a very fair offer and realistically the 
maximum you can afford.


However, a warning. Has the thinking progressed further than finance, a 
hall and tables? So far I have heard no one come with plans of how you 
would fill such an event. The great success of QL2004  and QLis21 was 
that we had an idea of the program the details of a venue, and we 
publicised those ideas right from the start.


By comparison QLis25 was a damp squib.

I seen no point in QLis30 unless is has a wider benefit for all QL-ers 
including non-attendees and unless it gives the QL a kick into the future,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

PS I already have an idea for three topics I would like to see, but want 
first to hear ideas from other people.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Dave Park
Currently:
Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
Mark Martin  £ 30
Petri Pellinen   £ 50
Doug L   £150
Jiří Doležal £ 50
Kenn Van Hauen   £ 70
 
TOTAL£500
Quanta Match £500

Available: £1,000

Now, who would like to organise an event? The risk is now very low. :)

Dave
Sandy Electronics



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Kenn Van Hauen  wrote:

> I am happy to contribute the remaining £70. Kenn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 4 Feb 2014, at 15:26, Dave Park  wrote:
> >
> > In light of this fabulous email from QUANTA, The pledge tally now stands
> at:
> >
> > Currently:
> > Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
> > Mark Martin  £ 30
> > Petri Pellinen   £ 50
> > Doug L   £150
> > Jiří Doležal £ 50
> > 
> > TOTAL£430
> > Quanta Match £430
> >
> > Available:   £860
> >
> > Thank you QUANTA and everyone else so far. Just £70 more and we'd hit
> £1000!
> >
> > Dave Park
> > Sandy Electronics
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 AM, John Gilpin  >wrote:
> >
> >> Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great
> >> pleasure in advising you as follows:
> >>
> >> At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic of
> a
> >> Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided that if,
> due
> >> to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able to support his
> >> venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our name to the QLis30
> >> pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a maximum of £500. It was
> >> also decided that QUANTA may offer further support by attending the
> event
> >> to show a QUANTA presence.
> >>
> >> This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness to
> >> support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend in
> order
> >> to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to support"
> both
> >> of which have received some criticism of late on this list.
> >>
> >> As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any
> >> further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >>
> >> John Gilpin.
> >> QUANTA Treasurer.
> >> treasu...@quanta.org.uk 
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 06/01/2014 19:23, Dave Park wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hehe, ok. Thank you even more!
> >>>
> >>> Currently:
> >>> Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
> >>> Mark Martin  £ 30
> >>> Petri Pellinen   £ 50
> >>> Doug L   £150
> >>>  
> >>> TOTAL£380
> >>>
> >>> I think that is getting close to a good incentive for someone to
> organize
> >>> a
> >>> show, now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, extdgl42 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  -Original Message-
> 
> > From: Dave Park 
> > Sent: Jan 6, 2014 10:33 AM
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...
> >
> > Mark, Petri, Doug, THANK YOU!
> >
> > Doug, I translated it as £133, but I'd consider it generally
> understood
> > that you'd PayPal $200 and they'd do the conversion at current
> exchange
> > rates at that time, so it might be more or less.
> >
> > Current running total of pledges: £363
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, DougL 
> wrote:
> >
> > USD200 let me to pounds say tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Doug L. 37830 USA
> >>
> >> QL Foreverr
> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone
> >>
> >> Mark Martin  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Dave Park 
> >> wrote:
> 
> > I offer to sponsor £150 towards the cost of any organized 'QL is 30'
>  show. If others would like to chip in a little, it could make a
>  Kickstarter-style fund.
> 
>  *Conditions:* Event must be held between March 2014 and December
> >>> 2014,
> 
> > in a
> >>
> >>> generally accessible location to QL users. This includes any
> >>> traditional
> 
> > location like a scout hut, Eindhoven, etc. The Outer Hebrides or
> >>> rural
> 
> > Romania probably won't count. The event must be properly open to the
>  public, properly advertised, and what the members of this list
> >>> consider
> 
> > 'properly organised'. Event can be organised by an individual or a
> >>> company.
> >>
> >>> In the event of an individual or company combi

Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Kenn Van Hauen
I am happy to contribute the remaining £70. Kenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Feb 2014, at 15:26, Dave Park  wrote:
> 
> In light of this fabulous email from QUANTA, The pledge tally now stands at:
> 
> Currently:
> Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
> Mark Martin  £ 30
> Petri Pellinen   £ 50
> Doug L   £150
> Jiří Doležal £ 50
> 
> TOTAL£430
> Quanta Match £430
> 
> Available:   £860
> 
> Thank you QUANTA and everyone else so far. Just £70 more and we'd hit £1000!
> 
> Dave Park
> Sandy Electronics
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 AM, John Gilpin wrote:
> 
>> Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great
>> pleasure in advising you as follows:
>> 
>> At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic of a
>> Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided that if, due
>> to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able to support his
>> venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our name to the QLis30
>> pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a maximum of £500. It was
>> also decided that QUANTA may offer further support by attending the event
>> to show a QUANTA presence.
>> 
>> This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness to
>> support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend in order
>> to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to support" both
>> of which have received some criticism of late on this list.
>> 
>> As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any
>> further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> John Gilpin.
>> QUANTA Treasurer.
>> treasu...@quanta.org.uk 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 06/01/2014 19:23, Dave Park wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hehe, ok. Thank you even more!
>>> 
>>> Currently:
>>> Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
>>> Mark Martin  £ 30
>>> Petri Pellinen   £ 50
>>> Doug L   £150
>>>  
>>> TOTAL£380
>>> 
>>> I think that is getting close to a good incentive for someone to organize
>>> a
>>> show, now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, extdgl42 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 -Original Message-
 
> From: Dave Park 
> Sent: Jan 6, 2014 10:33 AM
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...
> 
> Mark, Petri, Doug, THANK YOU!
> 
> Doug, I translated it as £133, but I'd consider it generally understood
> that you'd PayPal $200 and they'd do the conversion at current exchange
> rates at that time, so it might be more or less.
> 
> Current running total of pledges: £363
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, DougL  wrote:
> 
> USD200 let me to pounds say tomorrow.
>> 
>> Doug L. 37830 USA
>> 
>> QL Foreverr
>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone
>> 
>> Mark Martin  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Dave Park 
>> wrote:
 
> I offer to sponsor £150 towards the cost of any organized 'QL is 30'
 show. If others would like to chip in a little, it could make a
 Kickstarter-style fund.
 
 *Conditions:* Event must be held between March 2014 and December
>>> 2014,
 
> in a
>> 
>>> generally accessible location to QL users. This includes any
>>> traditional
 
> location like a scout hut, Eindhoven, etc. The Outer Hebrides or
>>> rural
 
> Romania probably won't count. The event must be properly open to the
 public, properly advertised, and what the members of this list
>>> consider
 
> 'properly organised'. Event can be organised by an individual or a
>>> company.
>> 
>>> In the event of an individual or company combining with Quanta to run
>>> the
>> 
>>> event, the fund will be divided equally between them. The pledge
>>> will be
 
> paid towards costs of running the show, and will be sent to the
 organiser(s) by paypal four weeks before the organized event. In the
 circumstance the event is cancelled for *any* reason, the pledge(s)
>>> must be
>> 
>>> returned *immediately*.
 
 *List of pledges:*
 
 *Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150*
 
 Mark Martin£30
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread Dave Park
In light of this fabulous email from QUANTA, The pledge tally now stands at:

Currently:
Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
Mark Martin  £ 30
Petri Pellinen   £ 50
Doug L   £150
Jiří Doležal £ 50
 
TOTAL£430
Quanta Match £430

Available:   £860

Thank you QUANTA and everyone else so far. Just £70 more and we'd hit £1000!

Dave Park
Sandy Electronics



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 AM, John Gilpin wrote:

> Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great
> pleasure in advising you as follows:
>
> At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic of a
> Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided that if, due
> to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able to support his
> venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our name to the QLis30
> pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a maximum of £500. It was
> also decided that QUANTA may offer further support by attending the event
> to show a QUANTA presence.
>
> This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness to
> support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend in order
> to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to support" both
> of which have received some criticism of late on this list.
>
> As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any
> further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> John Gilpin.
> QUANTA Treasurer.
> treasu...@quanta.org.uk 
>
>
> On 06/01/2014 19:23, Dave Park wrote:
>
>> Hehe, ok. Thank you even more!
>>
>> Currently:
>> Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
>> Mark Martin  £ 30
>> Petri Pellinen   £ 50
>> Doug L   £150
>>   
>> TOTAL£380
>>
>> I think that is getting close to a good incentive for someone to organize
>> a
>> show, now.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, extdgl42 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
 From: Dave Park 
 Sent: Jan 6, 2014 10:33 AM
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

 Mark, Petri, Doug, THANK YOU!

 Doug, I translated it as £133, but I'd consider it generally understood
 that you'd PayPal $200 and they'd do the conversion at current exchange
 rates at that time, so it might be more or less.

 Current running total of pledges: £363


 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, DougL  wrote:

  USD200 let me to pounds say tomorrow.
>
> Doug L. 37830 USA
>
> QL Foreverr
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone
>
> Mark Martin  wrote:
>
>  On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Dave Park 
>>
> wrote:
>>>
 I offer to sponsor £150 towards the cost of any organized 'QL is 30'
>>> show. If others would like to chip in a little, it could make a
>>> Kickstarter-style fund.
>>>
>>> *Conditions:* Event must be held between March 2014 and December
>>>
>> 2014,
>>>
 in a
>
>> generally accessible location to QL users. This includes any
>>>
>> traditional
>>>
 location like a scout hut, Eindhoven, etc. The Outer Hebrides or
>>>
>> rural
>>>
 Romania probably won't count. The event must be properly open to the
>>> public, properly advertised, and what the members of this list
>>>
>> consider
>>>
 'properly organised'. Event can be organised by an individual or a
>>>
>> company.
>
>> In the event of an individual or company combining with Quanta to run
>>>
>> the
>
>> event, the fund will be divided equally between them. The pledge
>>>
>> will be
>>>
 paid towards costs of running the show, and will be sent to the
>>> organiser(s) by paypal four weeks before the organized event. In the
>>> circumstance the event is cancelled for *any* reason, the pledge(s)
>>>
>> must be
>
>> returned *immediately*.
>>>
>>> *List of pledges:*
>>>
>>> *Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150*
>>>
>>>  Mark Martin£30
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>>> Dave et al: le

Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

2014-02-04 Thread John Gilpin
Further to your emails Re: [QL-Users] QLis30 pledge..., I have great 
pleasure in advising you as follows:


At a meeting of the QUANTA Committee on Sunday 02/02/2014, the topic of 
a Workshop to celebrate QLis30 was discussed and it was decided that if, 
due to Rich Mellor's ill health, we (QUANTA) will not be able to support 
his venture in Cambridge, then we would like to add our name to the 
QLis30 pledge such that we will match the fund  up to a maximum of £500. 
It was also decided that QUANTA may offer further support by attending 
the event to show a QUANTA presence.


This came about after much discussion regarding QUANTA's willingness to 
support such an event and how much we should be prepared to spend in 
order to differentiate between "over-spending" and "not wanting to 
support" both of which have received some criticism of late on this list.


As we do not continually monitor this email list, please address any 
further correspondence to  >  commit...@quanta.org.uk  < - thanks.


Kind Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Treasurer.
treasu...@quanta.org.uk 

On 06/01/2014 19:23, Dave Park wrote:

Hehe, ok. Thank you even more!

Currently:
Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150
Mark Martin  £ 30
Petri Pellinen   £ 50
Doug L   £150
  
TOTAL£380

I think that is getting close to a good incentive for someone to organize a
show, now.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, extdgl42  wrote:




-Original Message-

From: Dave Park 
Sent: Jan 6, 2014 10:33 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 pledge...

Mark, Petri, Doug, THANK YOU!

Doug, I translated it as £133, but I'd consider it generally understood
that you'd PayPal $200 and they'd do the conversion at current exchange
rates at that time, so it might be more or less.

Current running total of pledges: £363


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, DougL  wrote:


USD200 let me to pounds say tomorrow.

Doug L. 37830 USA

QL Foreverr
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone

Mark Martin  wrote:


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Dave Park 

wrote:

I offer to sponsor £150 towards the cost of any organized 'QL is 30'
show. If others would like to chip in a little, it could make a
Kickstarter-style fund.

*Conditions:* Event must be held between March 2014 and December

2014,

in a

generally accessible location to QL users. This includes any

traditional

location like a scout hut, Eindhoven, etc. The Outer Hebrides or

rural

Romania probably won't count. The event must be properly open to the
public, properly advertised, and what the members of this list

consider

'properly organised'. Event can be organised by an individual or a

company.

In the event of an individual or company combining with Quanta to run

the

event, the fund will be divided equally between them. The pledge

will be

paid towards costs of running the show, and will be sent to the
organiser(s) by paypal four weeks before the organized event. In the
circumstance the event is cancelled for *any* reason, the pledge(s)

must be

returned *immediately*.

*List of pledges:*

*Sandy Electronics / Dave Park£150*


Mark Martin£30
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Dave et al: let's increase that from USD200 to BP150; I had guessed that
of the two the USD200 was greater. So, that should be BP380. I hope this
doesn't clutter up the thread; I don't think so.

Doug 37830 USA
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