Re: [ql-users] Comment from the "Traditional" QUANTA Committee

[Bill Cable]

Hi John,

QUANTA has been very good to us here in North America by consitently funding the
conference rooms when we have held shows. Probably giving more than it has
received in North American subsriptions in the past 10 years. And I certainly do
not blame you personally for a mostly thankless job. I guess I mostly want to
see a few promising projects come forward with a plan and be funded before there
is no one left on this email group.

-- Bill

 On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, John Gilpin wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Cable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Comment from the "Traditional" QUANTA Committee
>
>
> I have let my Quanta membership lapse so I am talking as an outsider at the
> moment. I see no earthly reason for Quanta to keep 12,000 BPD (23,000 USD)
> in a
> bank account. Funding a suitable free QL OS on the software side and a
> Goldfire
> type device on the hardware side would be a good investment even if every
> last
> cent was spent and nothing came of it because at least it would be an
> attempt to
> do something. As things now stand we will all fade away and die and that
> money
> will only be good for making memorial plaque in some computer museum for
> people
> to look at and wonder. As has been said, "Money is like manure, of very
> little
> use except it be spread". I will consider joining again when there is some
> movement along these lines.
>
> -- Bill
>
>
> {Does it take an obviously dissatisfied past QUANTA Member to stimulate some
> positive action here?  QUANTA Committee are (and have always been) ready to
> discuss the requirements of its members (past and present) but what do you
> want us to do? We could leave a plain parcel containg £12,000 on a lonely
> park bench somewhere just in case a QLer passed by and needed to develop
> something. Come on now you guys, TALK TO US instead of dropping all kinds of
> hints which we have no intention of responding to in a way that you would
> consider helpful. What better time to get things moving with the AGM only a
> few weeks away. Plenty of time to submit your project and it could even be
> discussed by the members who are interested enough to attend the AGM.}
>
> {In the meantime Bill, we all hope that you will reconsider your decision to
> leave QUANTA. You might even help us to solve this problem (what to do with
> QUANTA's money) from the inside!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Gilpin.}
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, gwicks wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Gilpin" <>
> > To: "ql-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [ql-users] Comment from the "Traditional" QUANTA Committee
> >
> >
> >
> > >What my Audited Accounts do tell me is that QUANTA still has an
> > >Accumulated
> > >Fund of over £12,000 (all will be disclosed in the next issue of QUANTA
> > >Magazine) and we have a committee who are prepared to listen to specific
> > >requests for loans or grants for QL Development.
> >
> > >This has been the situation since I joined the Committee in 2000 (just at
> > >the end of a very successful arrangement with D & D and their work in
> > >supplying Q40/60s). We have extended our offer on a number of occasions
> > >but
> > >have had no takers to date. Let me repeat, on behalf of the QUANTA
> > >Committee, "If you have a project which you think would be valuable to
> > >the
> > >QL fraternity but which needs some development support, PLEASE write to
> > >us
> > >with as much detail as you can give, including your business plan, to
> > >enable us to consider your request.
> >
> > >Bye the Bye, don't expect a chat line comment like "If QUANTA were to
> > >sponsor someone to the tune of $100 US + postage" to produce immediate
> > >financial support. Come on you guys, tickle the keyboard ivories and ask
> > >us
> > >properly for what you think you need!! The worst you can expect is for
> > >this
> > >"traditionalist committee" to say " Not this time."
> >
> > I have returned to this mailing, because I realised overnight that you
> > have
> > unwittingly defined the difference between a "radical" and a
> > "traditionalist".
> >
> > The last time a Goldfire type expansion card was seriously discussed by
> > the
> > QL community was in 2004. This radical was not si

Re: [ql-users] Comment from the "Traditional" QUANTA Committee

[Bill Cable]

I have let my Quanta membership lapse so I am talking as an outsider at the
moment. I see no earthly reason for Quanta to keep 12,000 BPD (23,000 USD) in a
bank account. Funding a suitable free QL OS on the software side and a Goldfire
type device on the hardware side would be a good investment even if every last
cent was spent and nothing came of it because at least it would be an attempt to
do something. As things now stand we will all fade away and die and that money
will only be good for making memorial plaque in some computer museum for people
to look at and wonder. As has been said, "Money is like manure, of very little
use except it be spread". I will consider joining again when there is some
movement along these lines.

-- Bill

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, gwicks wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Gilpin" <>
> To: "ql-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:32 PM
> Subject: [ql-users] Comment from the "Traditional" QUANTA Committee
>
>
>
> >What my Audited Accounts do tell me is that QUANTA still has an Accumulated
> >Fund of over ?12,000 (all will be disclosed in the next issue of QUANTA
> >Magazine) and we have a committee who are prepared to listen to specific
> >requests for loans or grants for QL Development.
>
> >This has been the situation since I joined the Committee in 2000 (just at
> >the end of a very successful arrangement with D & D and their work in
> >supplying Q40/60s). We have extended our offer on a number of occasions but
> >have had no takers to date. Let me repeat, on behalf of the QUANTA
> >Committee, "If you have a project which you think would be valuable to the
> >QL fraternity but which needs some development support, PLEASE write to us
> >with as much detail as you can give, including your business plan, to
> >enable us to consider your request.
>
> >Bye the Bye, don't expect a chat line comment like "If QUANTA were to
> >sponsor someone to the tune of $100 US + postage" to produce immediate
> >financial support. Come on you guys, tickle the keyboard ivories and ask us
> >properly for what you think you need!! The worst you can expect is for this
> >"traditionalist committee" to say " Not this time."
>
> I have returned to this mailing, because I realised overnight that you have
> unwittingly defined the difference between a "radical" and a
> "traditionalist".
>
> The last time a Goldfire type expansion card was seriously discussed by the
> QL community was in 2004. This radical was not sitting on his backside
> waiting for a piece of paper. He was out there in the field talking to the
> potential developer (and other developers) at QL2004. He was also talking to
> the trader who would have marketed the card about preparing a business plan.
> (Now what were the Quanta team at QL2004 doing? - oh sorry, I forgot -
> Quanta boycotted the first international QL show for 4 years.)
>
> We know the Dear Leader is never happier that when he has a few pieces of
> paper to play with, but surely you can see the difference between a Goldfire
> project with an investment of ?5,000 and a USB project with an investment of
> about ?100.
>
> That is a fifth of the cost of the AA signposting at QLis21, less than the
> cost of the "beads for the natives" Phone Trees and less that the cost of
> the Gay T-shirts.
>
> Do we really have to wait for the great Quanta beast to arise from its
> hibernation and slowly creak into bureaucratic action? This is something
> that could have been settled over a weekend with a few telephone calls or
> emails. The only paperwork that was necessary was a receipt for the cost of
> the boards and a record in the Quanta minute book,
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Geoff
>
>
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Re: [ql-users] QL NA show lost+found if you'll pardon the expression :-) :-(

[Bill Cable]

Hi Doug,

We were not sure who left it so I brought it until we could find out who. Give
me your mailing address and I will mail it. On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, extdgl42 wrote:

-- Bill

> Folk,
> Did anybody find, in cleaning up the room after the show Saturday, a 
> 10-outlet protected power source? I think Urs and I were the only ones using 
> it earlier. Dark grey like so many computer gadgets. Can't find it anywhere 
> in the car. It was plugged into the wall that was behind Tony's and Bill's 
> tables. Don't remember if it got moved elsewhere after the show ended.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug L. 37830 USA
>
> Thanks to everyone in general, and also to those who participated in our 
> discussion of what is done or to be done for Internetting with a 
> near-original QL.
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Re: [ql-users] North American QL Show Saturday September 30th 2006

[Bill Cable]

Hi Urs,

I hope you can make it. As Marcel said you can stay entirely in Canada and avoid
the hassles of crossing into the US if you wish. I am keeping a list of expected
attendees so let me know if you decide to come.

-- Bill

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Koenig Urs wrote:

> Yes, a one week trip to Toronto, Niagara would be great fun.
>
> My last QL show was QL2004 in Eindhoven, my last US show
> was Orlando in 2004.
>
> Right now it's fifti-fifti if I can make it...
>
> Urs
>
> 
>
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] im Auftrag von Tony Firshman
> Gesendet: Di 18.07.2006 20:52
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: Re: [ql-users] North American QL Show Saturday September 30th 2006
>
>
>
> Koenig Urs wrote:
> > I leave for summer holidays on Friday.
> >
> > Question: Who else of the Europeans will attend the American Show?
> You mean other than Roy and I, I assume.
>
> Are you thinking of coming?
>
> Tony
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Re: [ql-users] North American QL Show Saturday September 30th 2006

[Bill Cable]

Hi Doug,

No admission fee. But you should reserve a room at the motel well in advance.
NESQLUG although no longer active had $100 left over from dues collected over
the years and will use that towards any expenses.

-- Bill

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, extdgl42 wrote:

> As I remember shows usually have what amounts to an admission fee. How much 
> to whom before what deadline?
>
> Doug LaVerne
> Oak Ridge, TN 37830
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Bill Cable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Jul 6, 2006 3:17 PM
> >To: QL Users List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [ql-users] North American QL Show Saturday September 30th 2006
> >
> >The North American QL Show will be held on September 30th in Niagara Falls,
> >Ontario, Canada. We will meet in the lobby of the Super 8 Motel for a group
> >dinner at a nearby restaurant at 6pm Friday September 29th. The show will be 
> >in
> >the Super 8 Motel conference room from 10am till 4pm on Saturday. A simple 
> >free
> >lunch will be provided during the show.
> >
> >The foliage will be starting to change in late September so there will be 
> >lots
> >of colors to enjoy in addition to Niagara Falls and casinos which are within
> >walking distance of the motel. Visitors from distance places can fly into
> >Toronto or Montreal and stay within Canada the whole time if they wish. They 
> >can
> >also fly into many US cities. The Canadian $ is currently about .9 US $.
> >
> >So far Jim Hunkins, Roy Woods, Tony Firshman, Al and Dorothy Boehm, Bill 
> >Cable
> >and Mary Boyle are planning to attend. Jim will give a live QDT demo and
> >Roy will show off the latest QPC and Tony will fix whatever is broken. Please
> >spread the word.
> >
> >Location of Motel where show will be held:
> >SUPER 8 MOTEL - NIAGARA FALLS - Canadian side - Prices in CAN $
> >QEW to Hwy 420 * 5706 Ferry St, Niagara Falls, ON  L2G 1S7, CA
> >Phone: 888-442-6095 * Fax: 905-356-7760 * E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >http://www.super8.com/Super8/control/
> >
> >The price of a room with 2 double beds for Friday Sep 29th will be $80 and
> >Saturday night $116. When reserving specify that you are with the QL Computer
> >Club and eligible for the General Managers Discount. There is wireless 
> >internet
> >at the motel. Check in time is 1pm.
> >
> >Some distances from Niagara Falls, Ontario to various cities
> >   Miles    KM
> >Toronto, ON   80 128
> >Montreal, QC 400 640
> >Boston, MA   470 752
> >NYC, NY  410 656
> >Buffalo,NY23  37
> >
> >I will be the contact person if there are any questions or you need any help.
> >
> >Bill Cable
> >510 St Gaudens Road
> >Cornish, NH 03745 USA
> >
> >1-603-675-2218
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[ql-users] North American QL Show Saturday September 30th 2006

[Bill Cable]

The North American QL Show will be held on September 30th in Niagara Falls,
Ontario, Canada. We will meet in the lobby of the Super 8 Motel for a group
dinner at a nearby restaurant at 6pm Friday September 29th. The show will be in
the Super 8 Motel conference room from 10am till 4pm on Saturday. A simple free
lunch will be provided during the show.

The foliage will be starting to change in late September so there will be lots
of colors to enjoy in addition to Niagara Falls and casinos which are within
walking distance of the motel. Visitors from distance places can fly into
Toronto or Montreal and stay within Canada the whole time if they wish. They can
also fly into many US cities. The Canadian $ is currently about .9 US $.

So far Jim Hunkins, Roy Woods, Tony Firshman, Al and Dorothy Boehm, Bill Cable
and Mary Boyle are planning to attend. Jim will give a live QDT demo and
Roy will show off the latest QPC and Tony will fix whatever is broken. Please
spread the word.

Location of Motel where show will be held:
SUPER 8 MOTEL - NIAGARA FALLS - Canadian side - Prices in CAN $
QEW to Hwy 420 * 5706 Ferry St, Niagara Falls, ON  L2G 1S7, CA
Phone: 888-442-6095 * Fax: 905-356-7760 * E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.super8.com/Super8/control/

The price of a room with 2 double beds for Friday Sep 29th will be $80 and
Saturday night $116. When reserving specify that you are with the QL Computer
Club and eligible for the General Managers Discount. There is wireless internet
at the motel. Check in time is 1pm.

Some distances from Niagara Falls, Ontario to various cities
   MilesKM
Toronto, ON  80 128
Montreal, QC400 640
Boston, MA  470 752
NYC, NY 410 656
Buffalo,NY   23  37

I will be the contact person if there are any questions or you need any help.

Bill Cable
510 St Gaudens Road
Cornish, NH 03745 USA

1-603-675-2218

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Re: [ql-users] apostrophes

[Bill Cable]

Not only did the Ancient Greeks develop a great language they understood human
nature quite well. At least if this is an accurate quote/translation:

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion.
Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they
consider god-fearing and pious."  Aristotle


On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, [windows-1253] Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκος) wrote:

> Την Fri, 26 May 2006 12:51:02 -0400,ο(η) John Taylor  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> έγραψε:
> > "More" can be applied to both quantity and numbers, so why cannot "less"> 
> > It is regular practise now to talk about me and you, not you and I.> While 
> > I agree with you on the use of fewer and less, it must be> remembered that 
> > English is not a fixed language.> I am always deeply suspicious of people 
> > who make rules for other people.> Who decides what is right and what is 
> > wrong in English?>
> I would say that usability defines what is right. The perfect example  would 
> be Greek. Ancient Greek for example had words for almost everything.  Modern 
> Greek doesn't and as a consequence it is a lot more periphrastic  now than 
> ever.For example an average increase in word count etween Ancient and Modern  
> Greek would sit roughly at 50%. Better (and more efficient) use of  language 
> and avoidance of one-size-fits-all words enhances the ability to  communicate 
> and reduces effort to acquire knowledge. (Not to mention the  economic 
> benefit of publishing smaller-sized books, reports etc.) :-)
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Re: [ql-users] Calendar programs

[Bill Cable]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Probably because their pint = 16FlOz to match 1lb = 16Oz, whereas the
> > imperial pint = 20flOz.
> >
> > And that could be due to a pint of water (at stp, I presume) weighing 1lb
> > exactly in one of the systems (which I'm not sure now).
> >
> In the UK a gallon of water (8 pints) weighs 10 Lb exactly. Thus, one UK pint 
> is 20 Ounces in weight - hence 20 FlOz.
>
> In the US a pint of water will be exactly 1 Lb or 16 FlOz.
>
> Cheers,
> Norman.

Interesting how this little saying Americans use to remember the relationship
would not work in some places of the world:

  A pint's a pound, the world around

If drinking beer by the pint I definitely favor the British system.

-- Bill
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Re: [ql-users] Problems with printing under XChange Archive

[Bill Cable]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

> Ralf Reköndt wrote:
> > Oh folks, don't know how this guy makes it all. What should I sayMarcel
> > "The Wizzard" Kilgus has done it again!
>
> Well, I somewhat like reverse engineering old code, I really should
> find a job where I get paid for this kind of stuff ;-)
>

Hi Marcel,

Thanks for sharing your methods. Gives us a little peek into the "Black Arts"
side of programming.

-- Bill
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Re: [ql-users] Portsmouth is 21

[Bill Cable]

> Isn't it "If the hotel *has* wifi ..."? I learned this in school,
> didn't you?
>

If the hotel has *mistress* forget the wifi.

-- Bill
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