Re: [Ql-Users] PCW closed down
In message 4abdc480.5070...@holbornview.force9.co.uk, Derek Stewart de...@holbornview.force9.co.uk writes Hi Derek, It just shows how influential home computers have been in setting so many people on to the path of programming. SuperBASIC on the QL is an elegant version, that I still enjoy using too. I sent this a while ago, but it seemed to got lost I started programming on Fortran, then the ZX80 came out and I started programming in BASIC, which seemed easier then Fortran at that time. I delved into Z80 assembler programming on the ZX81, Spectrum, Memotech, Sam and finally ended up with a QL. 68000 Assembler seemed easier then Z80 and more powerfull. I then tried Atari ST in most favours and Amigas, but the QL was the best and easiest to use. The SuperBASIC on the QL was years ahead of the other BASICS, I pasted an Open University Course: M205: Fundamentals of Computing with only knowledge of SuperBASIC. The course was centred around PASCAL, so the procedurtal programming in SuperBASIC fitted in very nicely. I did not read PCW that much, but they seemd to know what they talking about, even if it would PC orientated. So here we are nearly 30 years on, I am still on with QLs and 68K programming, Derek Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 4aa03b5e.6010...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes Malcolm Cadman wrote, On 3/09/09 21:34: In message 9933d6f1bbfb40ae82bea841c0692...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, You are still quite a prolific programmer for the QL ... :-) I think we all spent hours and hours with programme listings in the various magazines. Indeed. I used the Chas Dillon archive file rescuer program in the very last bumper QL User. They used up all their filed material, and apparently, according to Chas, did not pay for it. His program was full of typos, and plain wrong coding. I did though finally get it working. However my archive programs had to move to PC Xchange for index size reasons. This was of course still Psion based, and the file corruptions continued. All these problems stopped with Arcplus - a terrific clone endorsed by Psion. I still use it under a DOS emulator (DosBox) under Mac OS X. It runs all my business databases after 24 years, and I am still finding bugs (8-)# Not surprising ... once you have found software that does it, you tend to stick with it. I still use a version of Pipedream for spreadsheet work on an old RISCOS Archimedes - because it does want I want so easily. Although I am forced to use Excel on PC's to be compatible with work, etc. I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) These days I am only sometimes tempted with a PC magazine that has a good DVD of software or a particularly useful article or two. Most of the DVD's are now also using a web page based format too. If you read the last PCW editor's web blog you will see this is *precisely* why it died. Once they offered the *free* DVD they couldn't stop it, and it ate their reducing profit. Tony Yes, exactly ... effectively another media has become very popular with the free magazine DVD's - even though the purchase price of the magazines has risen considerably too, in recent years.. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] PCW closed down
I sent this a while ago, but it seemed to got lost I started programming on Fortran, then the ZX80 came out and I started programming in BASIC, which seemed easier then Fortran at that time. I delved into Z80 assembler programming on the ZX81, Spectrum, Memotech, Sam and finally ended up with a QL. 68000 Assembler seemed easier then Z80 and more powerfull. I then tried Atari ST in most favours and Amigas, but the QL was the best and easiest to use. The SuperBASIC on the QL was years ahead of the other BASICS, I pasted an Open University Course: M205: Fundamentals of Computing with only knowledge of SuperBASIC. The course was centred around PASCAL, so the procedurtal programming in SuperBASIC fitted in very nicely. I did not read PCW that much, but they seemd to know what they talking about, even if it would PC orientated. So here we are nearly 30 years on, I am still on with QLs and 68K programming, Derek Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 4aa03b5e.6010...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes Malcolm Cadman wrote, On 3/09/09 21:34: In message 9933d6f1bbfb40ae82bea841c0692...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, You are still quite a prolific programmer for the QL ... :-) I think we all spent hours and hours with programme listings in the various magazines. Indeed. I used the Chas Dillon archive file rescuer program in the very last bumper QL User. They used up all their filed material, and apparently, according to Chas, did not pay for it. His program was full of typos, and plain wrong coding. I did though finally get it working. However my archive programs had to move to PC Xchange for index size reasons. This was of course still Psion based, and the file corruptions continued. All these problems stopped with Arcplus - a terrific clone endorsed by Psion. I still use it under a DOS emulator (DosBox) under Mac OS X. It runs all my business databases after 24 years, and I am still finding bugs (8-)# Not surprising ... once you have found software that does it, you tend to stick with it. I still use a version of Pipedream for spreadsheet work on an old RISCOS Archimedes - because it does want I want so easily. Although I am forced to use Excel on PC's to be compatible with work, etc. I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) These days I am only sometimes tempted with a PC magazine that has a good DVD of software or a particularly useful article or two. Most of the DVD's are now also using a web page based format too. If you read the last PCW editor's web blog you will see this is *precisely* why it died. Once they offered the *free* DVD they couldn't stop it, and it ate their reducing profit. Tony Yes, exactly ... effectively another media has become very popular with the free magazine DVD's - even though the purchase price of the magazines has risen considerably too, in recent years.. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] PCW closed down
In message cbb6aa8da3d24e5bac04cd2e8b460...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) At one stage, yes. Every now and then I would decide to have a purge and the paper recycling bins at local supermarkets filled up rather quickly. Witht he recent house move, I finally through all the non-QL old magazines out, keeping only a few reference articles. The only exception was Computeractive - I threw out the early years but kept many recent ones as it is such a great magazine, written for PC idiots like me. But, like you, I've kept the QL ones! Dilwyn Jones Hi Dilwyn, Yes, funny that ... I guess our loyalties lie with those early personal computers designed in and around the Cambridge area of England ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4aa03b5e.6010...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes Malcolm Cadman wrote, On 3/09/09 21:34: In message 9933d6f1bbfb40ae82bea841c0692...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, You are still quite a prolific programmer for the QL ... :-) I think we all spent hours and hours with programme listings in the various magazines. Indeed. I used the Chas Dillon archive file rescuer program in the very last bumper QL User. They used up all their filed material, and apparently, according to Chas, did not pay for it. His program was full of typos, and plain wrong coding. I did though finally get it working. However my archive programs had to move to PC Xchange for index size reasons. This was of course still Psion based, and the file corruptions continued. All these problems stopped with Arcplus - a terrific clone endorsed by Psion. I still use it under a DOS emulator (DosBox) under Mac OS X. It runs all my business databases after 24 years, and I am still finding bugs (8-)# Not surprising ... once you have found software that does it, you tend to stick with it. I still use a version of Pipedream for spreadsheet work on an old RISCOS Archimedes - because it does want I want so easily. Although I am forced to use Excel on PC's to be compatible with work, etc. I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) These days I am only sometimes tempted with a PC magazine that has a good DVD of software or a particularly useful article or two. Most of the DVD's are now also using a web page based format too. If you read the last PCW editor's web blog you will see this is *precisely* why it died. Once they offered the *free* DVD they couldn't stop it, and it ate their reducing profit. Tony Yes, exactly ... effectively another media has become very popular with the free magazine DVD's - even though the purchase price of the magazines has risen considerably too, in recent years.. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4a9eb641.3090...@dunbar-it.co.uk, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk writes Hi, Similar to Norman's experience, my first BASIC was with ZX-Basic on the ZX81, in the 1980's; as well as looking at the BASIC's from other popular personal computers published in magazines like PCW. I missed programming with the Sinclair Spectrum, instead it was then on to BBC BASIC and QL SuperBASIC - both having a more satisfying structural syntax to use, if you wanted to of course. Halcyon days ... :-) PS - I still enjoy programming with SuperBASIC. Evening John in Wales, PS. Norman, it must have been BBC BASIC where you began? No, I never got into BBC Basic. It was General Purpose Basic that I was taught from PCW. Then I had to translate some of that into ZX-Basic when the ZX-81 arrived. Cheers, Norman. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Similar to Norman's experience, my first BASIC was with ZX-Basic on the ZX81, in the 1980's; as well as looking at the BASIC's from other popular personal computers published in magazines like PCW. I missed programming with the Sinclair Spectrum, instead it was then on to BBC BASIC and QL SuperBASIC - both having a more satisfying structural syntax to use, if you wanted to of course. Halcyon days ... :-) PS - I still enjoy programming with SuperBASIC. I remember the move from non-structured basics on the early computers I used, typing in spaghetti loops of GOTOs and GOSUBs from those early computer books and magazines. Suddenly structured basics like BBC BASIC and QL BASIC became popular and suddenly it was easier to work out what went wrong with those listings. I had a BBC micro and Z88 some time ago (both used BBC Basic of course) and apart from a period I'd rather forget in the 1980s writing office software for BBC micros when I worked at the Beeb, I never did very much programming on them outside of work. Structured basics were a godsend after the messy spaghetti programming of tangled GOTOs etc on early micro$oft basics and Sinclair basics (Zx80 up to Spectrum). Many of my programs were printed in magazines in those early days and I remember many a late night phone call from frustrated readers who hadn't been able to get their typed-in listings to work. It was often easier to ask them to send me a cassette to record a copy of the listing onto rather than trying to debug over a phone, only to then find that their Zx81 failed to load from the tape to compound the problems!!! It wasn't just PCW either - there were so many magazines in those days which carried Sinclair listings - Popular Computing Weekly, Personal Computer News, Home Computing Weekly, Personal Computing Today, Practical Computing and many others. I hate to think how much I spent on magazines in the 1980s :-( But Malcolm is right, QL basic was so easy to learn and use even if you weren't to keen on the slowness of the QL, or the unreliable microdrives (actually, I never really had much problems with mine!). If you have to use basic at all, structured QL basic is probably as easy as any basic. It's interesting to note that amid what went on at Sinclair before the QL was launched, there have been suggestions that Superbasic might not have seen the light of day on the QL at all had it not been for Jan Jones's persistence in writing it at least partly in her own time outside of Sinclair. Summarising how I felt about earlier unstructured basics, QL Today published a cartoon a few years ago depicting a policeman about to arrest someone who'd just assaulted a fellow QLer at a QL meeting, and the justification given was that I was provoked constable, he used the word GOTO... As Malcolm says, Halcyon days ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 9933d6f1bbfb40ae82bea841c0692...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, You are still quite a prolific programmer for the QL ... :-) I think we all spent hours and hours with programme listings in the various magazines. I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) These days I am only sometimes tempted with a PC magazine that has a good DVD of software or a particularly useful article or two. Most of the DVD's are now also using a web page based format too. Similar to Norman's experience, my first BASIC was with ZX-Basic on the ZX81, in the 1980's; as well as looking at the BASIC's from other popular personal computers published in magazines like PCW. I missed programming with the Sinclair Spectrum, instead it was then on to BBC BASIC and QL SuperBASIC - both having a more satisfying structural syntax to use, if you wanted to of course. Halcyon days ... :-) PS - I still enjoy programming with SuperBASIC. I remember the move from non-structured basics on the early computers I used, typing in spaghetti loops of GOTOs and GOSUBs from those early computer books and magazines. Suddenly structured basics like BBC BASIC and QL BASIC became popular and suddenly it was easier to work out what went wrong with those listings. I had a BBC micro and Z88 some time ago (both used BBC Basic of course) and apart from a period I'd rather forget in the 1980s writing office software for BBC micros when I worked at the Beeb, I never did very much programming on them outside of work. Structured basics were a godsend after the messy spaghetti programming of tangled GOTOs etc on early micro$oft basics and Sinclair basics (Zx80 up to Spectrum). Many of my programs were printed in magazines in those early days and I remember many a late night phone call from frustrated readers who hadn't been able to get their typed-in listings to work. It was often easier to ask them to send me a cassette to record a copy of the listing onto rather than trying to debug over a phone, only to then find that their Zx81 failed to load from the tape to compound the problems!!! It wasn't just PCW either - there were so many magazines in those days which carried Sinclair listings - Popular Computing Weekly, Personal Computer News, Home Computing Weekly, Personal Computing Today, Practical Computing and many others. I hate to think how much I spent on magazines in the 1980s :-( But Malcolm is right, QL basic was so easy to learn and use even if you weren't to keen on the slowness of the QL, or the unreliable microdrives (actually, I never really had much problems with mine!). If you have to use basic at all, structured QL basic is probably as easy as any basic. It's interesting to note that amid what went on at Sinclair before the QL was launched, there have been suggestions that Superbasic might not have seen the light of day on the QL at all had it not been for Jan Jones's persistence in writing it at least partly in her own time outside of Sinclair. Summarising how I felt about earlier unstructured basics, QL Today published a cartoon a few years ago depicting a policeman about to arrest someone who'd just assaulted a fellow QLer at a QL meeting, and the justification given was that I was provoked constable, he used the word GOTO... As Malcolm says, Halcyon days ;-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Malcolm Cadman wrote, On 3/09/09 21:34: In message 9933d6f1bbfb40ae82bea841c0692...@dilwyn3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes Hi Dilwyn, You are still quite a prolific programmer for the QL ... :-) I think we all spent hours and hours with programme listings in the various magazines. Indeed. I used the Chas Dillon archive file rescuer program in the very last bumper QL User. They used up all their filed material, and apparently, according to Chas, did not pay for it. His program was full of typos, and plain wrong coding. I did though finally get it working. However my archive programs had to move to PC Xchange for index size reasons. This was of course still Psion based, and the file corruptions continued. All these problems stopped with Arcplus - a terrific clone endorsed by Psion. I still use it under a DOS emulator (DosBox) under Mac OS X. It runs all my business databases after 24 years, and I am still finding bugs (8-)# I have kept all of my Sinclair / QL magazines, yet have gradually disgarded or passed on the many PC titles that have been available over the years. I guess someone must have kept a massive collection of computer magazines ... :-) These days I am only sometimes tempted with a PC magazine that has a good DVD of software or a particularly useful article or two. Most of the DVD's are now also using a web page based format too. If you read the last PCW editor's web blog you will see this is *precisely* why it died. Once they offered the *free* DVD they couldn't stop it, and it ate their reducing profit. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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QL a jinx? Surely not :o| In a way it may indeed be jinxed as almost all people and companies who tried to make their living in the QL market did not get their investments back or even lost money. It seams that the QL is only kind-hearted to those which use/play/work for the QL community. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 001701ca2a7e$0a35e2f0$2301a...@pcw.local, Urs Koenig (QL) q...@bluewin.ch writes Hi Urs, It is a sign of the times that PC based magazines too are starting to close down. Some of it will be due to the web based information that is now available, no doubt. I have certainly been a reader of PCW over the years ... and 31 years of publishing suggests that it began circa 1978/9. The early publications covered the many popular personal computers that were around at that time, before the PC became dominant. Sad news for connoisseurs of UK's computing press. After 31 years Personal Computer World (PCW) magazine had to close this summer. The last issue was August 2009. The last words from the editor: Hi Urs - I'm sorry to report that PCW has recently been closed down after 31 years of continuous publication, due to economic difficulties. All PCW staff have been made redundant - Guy Kewney was freelance, but will continue his blogs other work. I will join the ranks of freelance for the time being. No export copies were sent out of the last edition - but I've just sent you a complimentary one today. best regards Kelvyn Follow Tim Anderson's blog the read what people say on the demise of PCW ( http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-y ears-of-personal-computing.html http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-ye ars-of-personal-computing.html). -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I prefer a good quality print mag myself, but it's impossible to beat the timeliness of the Web, which is why magazines in general are dying except for the usual stalwarts or those that are backed by big names. It goes without saying we have access to more essentially free information than ever, so why go to the bother and expense of paying for a print mag, particularly one that will likely be tossed once you're done with it? Sad, really, but it's hard to argue for in this day and age. Bill Loguidice, Managing Director Armchair Arcade, Inc. http://www.armchairarcade.com A PC Magazine Top 100 Website Authored Books: http://www.armchairarcade.com/books LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/billloguidice -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Cadman Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:10 AM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] PCW closed down In message 001701ca2a7e$0a35e2f0$2301a...@pcw.local, Urs Koenig (QL) q...@bluewin.ch writes Hi Urs, It is a sign of the times that PC based magazines too are starting to close down. Some of it will be due to the web based information that is now available, no doubt. I have certainly been a reader of PCW over the years ... and 31 years of publishing suggests that it began circa 1978/9. The early publications covered the many popular personal computers that were around at that time, before the PC became dominant. Sad news for connoisseurs of UK's computing press. After 31 years Personal Computer World (PCW) magazine had to close this summer. The last issue was August 2009. The last words from the editor: Hi Urs - I'm sorry to report that PCW has recently been closed down after 31 years of continuous publication, due to economic difficulties. All PCW staff have been made redundant - Guy Kewney was freelance, but will continue his blogs other work. I will join the ranks of freelance for the time being. No export copies were sent out of the last edition - but I've just sent you a complimentary one today. best regards Kelvyn Follow Tim Anderson's blog the read what people say on the demise of PCW ( http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30- y ears-of-personal-computing.html http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-y e ars-of-personal-computing.html). -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening John in Wales, PS. Norman, it must have been BBC BASIC where you began? No, I never got into BBC Basic. It was General Purpose Basic that I was taught from PCW. Then I had to translate some of that into ZX-Basic when the ZX-81 arrived. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Urs Koenig (QL) wrote: Sad news for connoisseurs of UK's computing press. After 31 years Personal Computer World (PCW) magazine had to close this summer. The last issue was August 2009. In a word, sad. PCW taught me Basic programming long before I ever had a computer to actually type it into. When I got my ZX-81 I had to start all over again as it was a different dialect of Basic! Them were the days. I have to say, I shall miss it. Even though I'm probably responsible for its demise - I have only bought the occasional copy in the last few years - it's coverage of Linux was far too brief. Hopefully, I'm not the only one responsible! Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I just hope that not all magazines which have QL coverage go...keep an eye on Retro Gamer now. QL a jinx? Surely not :o| -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Urs Koenig (QL) q...@bluewin.ch To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: [Ql-Users] PCW closed down Sad news for connoisseurs of UK's computing press. After 31 years Personal Computer World (PCW) magazine had to close this summer. The last issue was August 2009. The last words from the editor: Hi Urs - I'm sorry to report that PCW has recently been closed down after 31 years of continuous publication, due to economic difficulties. All PCW staff have been made redundant - Guy Kewney was freelance, but will continue his blogs other work. I will join the ranks of freelance for the time being. No export copies were sent out of the last edition - but I've just sent you a complimentary one today. best regards Kelvyn Follow Tim Anderson's blog the read what people say on the demise of PCW ( http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-y ears-of-personal-computing.html http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-ye ars-of-personal-computing.html). Urs ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman said - Hopefully, I'm not the only one responsible! I helped - regular visits to the local reference library, especially to read it. Shall miss :(I went to it from good old thick 'BYTE'. John in Wales PS. Norman, it must have been BBC BASIC where you began? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] PCW closed down
Sad news for connoisseurs of UK's computing press. After 31 years Personal Computer World (PCW) magazine had to close this summer. The last issue was August 2009. The last words from the editor: Hi Urs - I'm sorry to report that PCW has recently been closed down after 31 years of continuous publication, due to economic difficulties. All PCW staff have been made redundant - Guy Kewney was freelance, but will continue his blogs other work. I will join the ranks of freelance for the time being. No export copies were sent out of the last edition - but I've just sent you a complimentary one today. best regards Kelvyn Follow Tim Anderson's blog the read what people say on the demise of PCW ( http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-y ears-of-personal-computing.html http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1494-farewell-to-personal-computer-world-30-ye ars-of-personal-computing.html). Urs ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
