Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Petri Pellinen]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote:

> Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on
> Linux.  DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software.  I've run stuff that
> was created in 1986 and it ran fine.
>
>
That's a great idea, I tried it on xubuntu 12.04.1 dosbox and it ran fine.

/Petri
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Al Feng]

Timothy Swenson wrote, on 22/Jan/13 03:08 | Jan22:>FWIW.  This is 
possibly stating the obvious (and therefore, may not be applicable to resolving 
the problem), but QLAY does NOT have an image of the QL's ROM code and an 
SBYTEd image of the JS ROM (or, any other suitable code -- MINERVA is "okay") 
needs to be included for the emulation to function. Al Feng  

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Tony Firshman]

Timothy Swenson wrote, on 22/Jan/13 03:08 | Jan22:




Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on
Linux.  DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software.  I've run stuff
that was created in 1986 and it ran fine.


I too use it for my 16 bit Arcplus business software (Archive derived).
I am still using programs I wrote in 1986 under QL Archive.
 and still finding bugs (8-)#

Beware of the std version though if you want obscure DOS commands. You 
will need the 'megabuild' version (for commands like net for instance 
which I use for redirecting lpt1 to windows printers).


Isn't it a pain that modern Windows have abandoned 16 bit software.



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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Dilwyn Jones]

QLay Linux..


Thanks Timothy and Petri. I have forwarded the replies to the person who 
asked about it.


Dilwyn Jones


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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Petri Pellinen]

I looked into this on xubuntu 12.04.1. Long story short: needs a recompile
against current libraries.

A bit more detail if someone is interested:
"readelf -a QLAY | less"
tells us that the binary needs /lib/ld-linux.so.1

  INTERP 0xd4 0x08d4 0x 0x00013 0x00013 R   0x1
  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-linux.so.1]

and "ldd QLAY" shows that an older libc shared library is requested.
libc.so.5 => not found

I then checked if the current versions work with the binary by creating
symlinks with old version names to current libraries:
"sudo ln -s /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.5"
"sudo ln -s /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/ld-linux.so.1"

Trying to run QLAY now produces the following error:
./QLAY: symbol lookup error: ./QLAY: undefined symbol: __setfpucw

which makes sense as __setfpucw does not exist in current glibc versions:
http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man3/__setfpucw.3.html

So, the current library distributions won't work with the old binary and a
recompile is necessary.

The source package does not seem to contain a Linux Makefile so some work
would be needed to recompile.

Best regards,
Petri


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote:

> I just downloaded QLAY and tried it on my Lubuntu 12.4 system.  I'm
> getting the same odd error that the user reported.
>
> I made sure that the file was executable, so I did a 'chmod 777 QLAY'.
> When I did './QLAY', I got the same "no sure file or directory."  The
> command 'strace ./QLAY' did not show much.  Basically, an execve call was
> made and it returned ENOENT, which is the same as "no such file or
> directory".  There was an llseek system call that returned ESPIPE or
> "Illegal seek".
>
> I've never seen Linux or Unix not find a file like that.  The file system
> can see the file.  I can chmod the file.  I can cat the file.  I can rename
> the file, but trying to execute it, the file can't be found.
>
> One suggestion is that the user download the source code and see if he can
> build it himself.  I just tried it and had a number of compiler errors.  If
> the user is not a C person, he may not get it to compile. Has anyone
> successfully compiled QLAY lately?  The source code was last touched in
> 1999, so it might be a little rusty.
>
> Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on
> Linux.  DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software.  I've run stuff that
> was created in 1986 and it ran fine.
>
> Tim Swenson
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Timothy Swenson]

I just downloaded QLAY and tried it on my Lubuntu 12.4 system.  I'm 
getting the same odd error that the user reported.


I made sure that the file was executable, so I did a 'chmod 777 QLAY'. 
When I did './QLAY', I got the same "no sure file or directory."  The 
command 'strace ./QLAY' did not show much.  Basically, an execve call 
was made and it returned ENOENT, which is the same as "no such file or 
directory".  There was an llseek system call that returned ESPIPE or 
"Illegal seek".


I've never seen Linux or Unix not find a file like that.  The file 
system can see the file.  I can chmod the file.  I can cat the file.  I 
can rename the file, but trying to execute it, the file can't be found.


One suggestion is that the user download the source code and see if he 
can build it himself.  I just tried it and had a number of compiler 
errors.  If the user is not a C person, he may not get it to compile. 
Has anyone successfully compiled QLAY lately?  The source code was last 
touched in 1999, so it might be a little rusty.


Another option is for the user to try the DOS version using DOSBOX on 
Linux.  DOSBOX is great for running old DOS software.  I've run stuff 
that was created in 1986 and it ran fine.


Tim Swenson
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk]

Hi Tim,

I see what you mean, I understood the problem to be that qlay was running. My 
mistake.

Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Timothy Swenson]

What the error really means is that the file QLAY (which he is tying to 
execute) is not in the current directory.  Without knowing what the 
current directory is, how could anyone know if this is an real error or 
not.  Maybe he's in /home/bob and needs to be in /home/bob/qlay?  Maybe 
the case in wrong and it should be Qlay or qlay or something like that. 
 Again, not enough info to do anything with.


Kind of like saying "my car won't start" and then nothing else.


Tim
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Norman Dunbar]

Hi Tim,

On 21/01/13 16:14, Timothy Swenson wrote:

On 1/21/2013 7:40 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

bash: ./QLAY: No such file or directory


That's a pretty generic Linux error message and not enough for any
person to determine what the cause is.


Unless, the folder it's looking for is actually called ./QLAY?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Timothy Swenson]

On 1/21/2013 7:40 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

bash: ./QLAY: No such file or directory


That's a pretty generic Linux error message and not enough for any 
person to determine what the cause is.


Tim Swenson

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Dilwyn Jones]

Tell him to use SMSQmulator

(shameless plug!)

Wolfgang
Already done as well as uQLx!

Dilwyn

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

Tell him to use SMSQmulator

(shameless plug!)

Wolfgang

Le 21/01/2013 13:37, Dilwyn Jones a écrit :

I have had a help request from a user in the Czech Republic asking for help to 
contact Jan Venema regarding the Linux version of QLay.

Does anyone have an up to date email address for him? Please send it to me 
privately and I’ll forward it on.

Alternatively if anyone knows how to help with his query...

The email I received was:

   I have just discovered your site and wanted to discover more about the QL 
platform.

   I am a Linux user and I installed qlay emulator, however it appears I am 
unable to execute it on my system.

   $ ./QLAY -tJS.rom
   reports
   bash: ./QLAY: No such file or directory

   I have tried contacting the author but his email address no longer exists?

   Would you know to help.
Dilwyn Jones
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[Ql-Users] QLay Linux

[Dilwyn Jones]

I have had a help request from a user in the Czech Republic asking for help to 
contact Jan Venema regarding the Linux version of QLay.

Does anyone have an up to date email address for him? Please send it to me 
privately and I’ll forward it on.

Alternatively if anyone knows how to help with his query...

The email I received was:

  I have just discovered your site and wanted to discover more about the QL 
platform.

  I am a Linux user and I installed qlay emulator, however it appears I am 
unable to execute it on my system.

  $ ./QLAY -tJS.rom
  reports
  bash: ./QLAY: No such file or directory

  I have tried contacting the author but his email address no longer exists?

  Would you know to help.
Dilwyn Jones
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