Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-21 Thread Malcolm Cadman 
In message <4e4ffb99.8060...@dunbar-it.co.uk>, Norman Dunbar 
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On 19/08/11 21:21, Malcolm Cadman wrote:


Oh no ... :-) ... How many Dunbars does it take to change a light bulb?

Now then Malcolm, I can answer that one for you.

Given the Keith is a software guy and I'm into software as well, the 
answer has to be:


"None - it's a hardware problem" ;-)

Cheers,
Norm.


Umm ... nice one, Norman ... :-)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-20 Thread Norman Dunbar 

On 19/08/11 21:21, Malcolm Cadman wrote:


Oh no ... :-) ... How many Dunbars does it take to change a light bulb?

Now then Malcolm, I can answer that one for you.

Given the Keith is a software guy and I'm into software as well, the 
answer has to be:


"None - it's a hardware problem" ;-)

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-20 Thread John Taylor 

On 20 Aug 2011, at 12:04, Tony Firshman wrote:

 
 
 
 Does anyone use Word for HTML's?
 
>>> I agree with your sentiments absolutely.
>>> However when one gets given a complex word file each week for my church's 
>>> website it is the only practicable way when the designer *demands* html 
>>> (8-(#
>>> 
>>> It works but is horrendous code.
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Does Open/Libre Office do any better as that is the one I use?
> 
> It doesn't render that particular word page at all usably.
> 
> Tony

I have used Libre 3.4 to convert PDF's in Draw.
The only problem is the pages do not always line up, but images are in their 
right place in relation to the text, which for me is the important thing.
You need to use the extension PDF Import 1.0.5

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-20 Thread Tony Firshman 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use Word for HTML's?
>>> 
>> I agree with your sentiments absolutely.
>> However when one gets given a complex word file each week for my church's 
>> website it is the only practicable way when the designer *demands* html (8-(#
>> 
>> It works but is horrendous code.
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> 
> 
> Does Open/Libre Office do any better as that is the one I use?

It doesn't render that particular word page at all usably.

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-20 Thread Bryan Horstmann 

On 20/08/2011 08:23, Tony Firshman wrote:

On Aug 19, at 21:18 | Aug19, Malcolm Cadman wrote:


In message, Tony 
Firshman  writes

On Aug 15, at 21:23 | Aug15, Malcolm Cadman wrote:


In message<003201cc5b75$bfd154d0$6402a8c0@baerchen>, Ralf 
Reköndt  writes


 From Geoff Wicks


Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.

www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!

You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
separate browser window.

Cheers...Ralf

A lot of people do not like having to separately download a PDF file, (etc 
...), when browsing a web site. Which may be why Geoff has done it within own 
frame.

Better still, is to convert the PDF or Word file, etc, to HTML; and then view 
it as a web page.


Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - they are 
bloated and very obscure code.

… but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.

Tony

Hi Tony,

Does anyone use Word for HTML's?


I agree with your sentiments absolutely.
However when one gets given a complex word file each week for my church's 
website it is the only practicable way when the designer *demands* html (8-(#

It works but is horrendous code.

Tony




Does Open/Libre Office do any better as that is the one I use?

Bryan H



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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-20 Thread Tony Firshman 

On Aug 19, at 21:18 | Aug19, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

> In message , Tony 
> Firshman  writes
>> 
>> On Aug 15, at 21:23 | Aug15, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
>> 
>>> In message <003201cc5b75$bfd154d0$6402a8c0@baerchen>, Ralf Reköndt 
>>>  writes
>>> 
 From Geoff Wicks
 
> Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
> penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.
> 
> www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm
> 
> Remember where you heard it first!
 
 You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
 separate browser window.
 
 Cheers...Ralf
>>> 
>>> A lot of people do not like having to separately download a PDF file, (etc 
>>> ...), when browsing a web site. Which may be why Geoff has done it within 
>>> own frame.
>>> 
>>> Better still, is to convert the PDF or Word file, etc, to HTML; and then 
>>> view it as a web page.
>>> 
>> Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - they 
>> are bloated and very obscure code.
>> 
>> … but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.
>> 
>> Tony
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> Does anyone use Word for HTML's?
> 
I agree with your sentiments absolutely.
However when one gets given a complex word file each week for my church's 
website it is the only practicable way when the designer *demands* html (8-(#

It works but is horrendous code.

Tony 



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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-19 Thread Malcolm Cadman 
In message <4e4cff07.1030...@dunbar-it.co.uk>, Norman Dunbar 
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Hi Keith,


You are correct, the PDF is just a link on the QUANTA website which will
open in the same window. When viewed as a frame within Geoffs website it
appears as a framed PDF. Really the fix would be for Geoff to open the
QUANTA website either in a new page or as the top of the frames...


Yes, I agree. All my links to other sites are defined as ... 
target=_blank_ to ensure that they do.




I could put (or get someone to put) some code on the page to force this but
I try to avoid it as it can cause more problems than it solves.

True.



Keith Dunbar

Great surname ;-)


Oh no ... :-) ... How many Dunbars does it take to change a light bulb?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-19 Thread Malcolm Cadman 
In message , Tony 
Firshman  writes


On Aug 15, at 21:23 | Aug15, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

In message <003201cc5b75$bfd154d0$6402a8c0@baerchen>, Ralf Reköndt 
 writes



From Geoff Wicks

Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to 
the penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.


www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!


You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a 
new, separate browser window.


Cheers...Ralf


A lot of people do not like having to separately download a PDF file, 
(etc ...), when browsing a web site. Which may be why Geoff has done 
it within own frame.


Better still, is to convert the PDF or Word file, etc, to HTML; and 
then view it as a web page.


Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - 
they are bloated and very obscure code.


… but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.

Tony


Hi Tony,

Does anyone use Word for HTML's?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-18 Thread Norman Dunbar 

Hi Keith,


You are correct, the PDF is just a link on the QUANTA website which will
open in the same window. When viewed as a frame within Geoffs website it
appears as a framed PDF. Really the fix would be for Geoff to open the
QUANTA website either in a new page or as the top of the frames...


Yes, I agree. All my links to other sites are defined as ... 
target=_blank_ to ensure that they do.




I could put (or get someone to put) some code on the page to force this but
I try to avoid it as it can cause more problems than it solves.

True.



Keith Dunbar

Great surname ;-)


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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-18 Thread QUANTA Treasurer 
Hi Norman

You are correct, the PDF is just a link on the QUANTA website which will
open in the same window. When viewed as a frame within Geoffs website it
appears as a framed PDF. Really the fix would be for Geoff to open the
QUANTA website either in a new page or as the top of the frames (so it would
take over the whole window) as frames are more often used to load pages from
a single source (Geoffs web site makes it look like QUANTA is a part of his
site as opposed to being a seperate site).

I could put (or get someone to put) some code on the page to force this but
I try to avoid it as it can cause more problems than it solves.

Keith Dunbar
QUANTA Treasurer & Membership Secretary

On 18 August 2011 12:43, Norman Dunbar  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
>
>  Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - they
>> are bloated and very obscure code.
>>
> And non standard.
> And just bl--dy awful!
> And 
>
> The whole point of pdf is "portable" after all. :-)
>
>
>  … but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.
>>
> There are some, but in my case, they open in an external viewer as that's
> how I have Firefox configured.
>
> I think the reference is to other web sites opening in a frame on Geoff's
> own site. However, once again, I usually right click and open in new tab -
> so I missed the problem at first.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Norm.
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-18 Thread Norman Dunbar 

Hi Tony,


Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - they are 
bloated and very obscure code.

And non standard.
And just bl--dy awful!
And 

The whole point of pdf is "portable" after all. :-)


… but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.
There are some, but in my case, they open in an external viewer as 
that's how I have Firefox configured.


I think the reference is to other web sites opening in a frame on 
Geoff's own site. However, once again, I usually right click and open in 
new tab - so I missed the problem at first.



Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-18 Thread Tony Firshman 

On Aug 15, at 21:23 | Aug15, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

> In message <003201cc5b75$bfd154d0$6402a8c0@baerchen>, Ralf Reköndt 
>  writes
> 
>> From Geoff Wicks
>> 
>>> Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
>>> penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.
>>> 
>>> www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm
>>> 
>>> Remember where you heard it first!
>> 
>> You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
>> separate browser window.
>> 
>> Cheers...Ralf
> 
> A lot of people do not like having to separately download a PDF file, (etc 
> ...), when browsing a web site. Which may be why Geoff has done it within own 
> frame.
> 
> Better still, is to convert the PDF or Word file, etc, to HTML; and then view 
> it as a web page.
> 
Ouch - the html files Word produces I would not recommend to anyone - they are 
bloated and very obscure code.

… but I have not found *any* pdf files on the site.

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-16 Thread Malcolm Cadman 
In message <003201cc5b75$bfd154d0$6402a8c0@baerchen>, Ralf Reköndt 
 writes



From Geoff Wicks

Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.


www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!


You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
separate browser window.


Cheers...Ralf


A lot of people do not like having to separately download a PDF file, 
(etc ...), when browsing a web site. Which may be why Geoff has done it 
within own frame.


Better still, is to convert the PDF or Word file, etc, to HTML; and then 
view it as a web page.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones 
I have to say, the web site is looking grand. Well done to all concerned. 
A couple of mistakes (Check Dilwyns Test News Item - should that be seen? 
Probably not) but I'm honestly not complaining.
No, Dan put it there for me to have something to work on as I was having 
difficulty accessing the news plug-in from the old PC. Not sure why, as 
Keith logged in as me and it was OK from his end. Haven't tried the new PC 
on it yet (you don't want Quanta website down for ANOTHER 12 months do 
you???)


Probably one of the reasons that the website launch wasn't particularly 
publicised. It's there, but we know a few things need tidying up. Sadly for 
me, the arrival of the new site coincided with the move to a new PC with a 
(to me) unfamiliar operating system, so I wasn't able to "put in the hours" 
on the Quanta website as I should have.



It's fast, even on a wireless link here at work (!!!) and looks good.
Dan put in a lot of work on it and was very patient even when we were 
sending him long lists of stuff to change while he was trying to hold down a 
full time job.



Dilwyn Jones (breaking in a new PC,

Did you mean to type 'in' there Dilwyn? ;-)

Actually, yes I did! Iwan and I haven't broken it yet... :-)

Dilwyn Jones



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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-16 Thread Norman Dunbar 
I have to say, the web site is looking grand. Well done to all 
concerned. A couple of mistakes (Check Dilwyns Test News Item - should 
that be seen? Probably not) but I'm honestly not complaining.


It's fast, even on a wireless link here at work (!!!) and looks good.


Dilwyn Jones (breaking in a new PC,

Did you mean to type 'in' there Dilwyn? ;-)

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-15 Thread Rich Mellor 

On 15/08/2011 18:54, Geoff Wicks wrote:

Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.

www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!

Best Wishes,


Geoff

PS Quanta. I have kept my promise. There is a link on the help and advice page.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-15 Thread Dilwyn Jones 
Umm, well, you could say that I "heard" it from the news items on the right 
of the home page of my website.


Breaking it in gently, you could say, rather than "shy".

Dilwyn Jones (breaking in a new PC, so I shall be surprised if this makes it 
to the list first time - had to summon the cavalry in the form of my son who 
is fixing my mistakes as I go along)


-Original Message- 
From: Geoff Wicks

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:54 PM
To: ql-users
Subject: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?


Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.


www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!

Best Wishes,


Geoff

PS Quanta. I have kept my promise. There is a link on the help and advice 
page.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-15 Thread Geoff Wicks 



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From: "Ralf Reköndt" 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:04 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?


From Geoff Wicks

Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.


www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!


You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
separate browser window.




Thanks Ralf, I wondered whether there would be a reaction on that point, but 
I thought I would wait and see,


Best Wishes,


Geoff 



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Re: [Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-15 Thread Ralf Reköndt 

From Geoff Wicks


Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.


www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!


You shouldn't open PDF files in your own frame. Let them open in a new, 
separate browser window.


Cheers...Ralf 


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[Ql-Users] Undue modesty?

2011-08-15 Thread Geoff Wicks 
Quanta is being very shy at the moment. If you are curious go to the 
penultimate item of the Just Words! news page.

www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm

Remember where you heard it first!

Best Wishes,


Geoff

PS Quanta. I have kept my promise. There is a link on the help and advice page.
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