Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 at 20:13:10, Geoff Wicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, those who moan about Lookout Express should consider how they would feel about changing their system after using it for many (on the whole, happy) years. Taking such drastic action is a last resort! Although I only deploy a virus checker on suspicion of infection, or after engaging in unsafe practices, I have only once in five years actually been infected, and that I discovered without the aid of one. I caught it off the internet, not via email. Many thanks, Per, you have expressed my feelings exactly not only in the above quote but in your whole piece. In about two years I have only caught a virus once and that was my own fault! (I caught it from a QL-user on this list!) I spend a lot of time working on international surveys of company computer users and have a pretty good idea of how MS is regarded in most European countries. There are some MS lovers, but most users are constructively critical. MS is usually assessed as the most arrogant computer software or hardware company. Now to bring this provocatively back on topic the unfortunate reality is that you can do a lot of things with MS systems than you cannot do with a QL. Our loyalty is based more on a recognition of what the QL could have been rather than of what it is. In discussing MS I would welcome more humility and less arrogance from the QL community. All I was saying was that TP has worked fine. I have never used any other product 'cos of this. I am not trying to be arrogant in any sense, and I am sorry if you interpreted the bare words in this way. I am very much looking forward to the day when I can use my QL BBS machine to, in particular, send out the QL snailshots. I find it quite incongruous to use my PC for this. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname,demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
[ql-users] Qmon
Is it only me, or does everyone have problems getting Qmon to trace throught an IOW.XTOP call ?? Qmon just simply crashes, even if it is set to trace supervisor mode. Does anyone have a solution?? Jmon also seems to crash QPC. Rich Mellor RWAP Software 7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JR TEL: 01977 614299 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In article 3X6Z6PNNJ6ZMJPL07DCWVMURIF1XB8.3cae130a@quantum-central, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes 5/4/2002 4:05:54 ??, / Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Well i am not using the forum because last I checked the site was down :-) You mean the day the CSU/DSU blew up, poof, and I had to go out and spend boucoup bucks on a new one? :o( Everything's fine now :o) What is the address again ? -- Malcolm Cadman http://ql.spodmail.com OK ... it will now go in the favourites :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Qmail Exists... Ask J. Dent for more :-) Well, mine'll probably be called Qemail (pronounced keymail) to match the Qeyboard (pronounced, well, you know ;) Nice idea of 'namimg' :-) ... Jon's work needs a good interface attached to it to become a 'useable by all' emailer. Assuming that you will be basing it on Jon's TCP/IP code ... if you really are planning something :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
[ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Many thanks, Per, you have expressed my feelings exactly not only in the above quote but in your whole piece. In about two years I have only caught a virus once and that was my own fault! (I caught it from a QL-user on this list!) I spend a lot of time working on international surveys of company computer users and have a pretty good idea of how MS is regarded in most European countries. There are some MS lovers, but most users are constructively critical. MS is usually assessed as the most arrogant computer software or hardware company. Now to bring this provocatively back on topic the unfortunate reality is that you can do a lot of things with MS systems than you cannot do with a QL. Our loyalty is based more on a recognition of what the QL could have been rather than of what it is. In discussing MS I would welcome more humility and less arrogance from the QL community. The interesting thing with the QL is that there is a lot that can still be done with it to bring it 'up to date' ... that is to use the 21st Century 'goodies' that have developed in hardware and software. It is also in the hands of enthusiasts ... hence the recent SMSQ discussion to develop the OS further. There is a market for other operating systems, even though it may be small and specialist ... like us lot :-) The problem that many people have with M$ is that it is the worlds dominant system on PC's, yet it is not the best OS. 'Market forces' have put it there, not technical merit. ... Anyway, this is really OT :-( -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Qmail Hmmm, I do have to do something there. I've written an email client before. If I do something, it will end up looking like pine. Qbrowser Even the most basic browser is a huge undertaking. This would have to be a group effort. Well you did ask That'll teach me :o) Tarquin has already started to write a browser in beta form for the QL - he is also a RISC OS user - I have forgotten what he calls it. I have a copy, yet it doesn't work for me :-( ... anyone got it working ? It is only text at present. -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 at 13:48:22, Richard Zidlicky wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:13:10PM +0100, Geoff Wicks wrote: It may be surprising for some but the QL actually had working email/news programs for maus and fido -nets long before MS - and at that time maus/fidonet provided good interoperation with the internet. Indeed - I was part of this. My BBS is still going, including the internet maus link. Jonathan Hudson and Marcel for instance still chat (usenet: maus.computer.ql.int) Does anyone know who arranges the link and how it is done? There is a vast amount of spam, which I delete when I see it. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname,demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX _jean-louis.dianoux@wanadoo.fr
Ummm on second thought we should write a QubIDE partition eraser (Wait it does that on its own!) Damn! you can't even write a decent virus for the QL nowadays :-) (Now THAT IS ON TOPIC) Err, it has been done. Ask Geoff Wicks (he wasn't the author of it, BTW, before he gets the blame) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
Tarquin has already started to write a browser in beta form for the QL - he is also a RISC OS user - I have forgotten what he calls it. Hyperbrowser I have a copy, yet it doesn't work for me :-( ... anyone got it working ? Yes, all but one version I could only get to work with text. He has (or was plannign to?) use Photon to display JPEGs but I don't think I got hold of this version. I seem to remember it relied on a version of Photon which was able to have filenames for display passed as a parameter and I'm not sure that existed then (i.e. did Tarquin get it working or was it just a feature he'd put in ready for when Dave Westbury got that to work in Photon). It is only text at present. That's a start at least. Text browsers are a bit useless in the modern graphics-driven internet but at least Lynx and HyperBrowser form something from which to start from once soql becomes reality (if ever Jon Dent sorts his Linux systems out - I think he was having problems with a Linux system he was setting up to test and debug soql). There was another QL text-only browser called QMosaic too. If you could find a version which worked on your system, it worked rather well as a text-only browser. Trouble was, of all the versions I came across (and I have 2 or 3) they were a bit fussy as to which QL system they'd run on. Any graphical QL browser would need to be able to handle much of what the internet currently thrusts upon us - reasonably fast display of various graphics format like PNG, JPEG, and GIF. Or at the very least be sufficiently capable of putting a square in the display where the graphic is to go and a 'Click On This To View This Graphic' as the next step up from text browsers. One way would be for this 'Click To View' thingy to call up a graphics viewer like PhotoQL or Photon via FileInfo 2 and over time a library of file viewers would be available, so that even if browser development stopped external viewers etc (plug-ins???) allowed some advancement. We also need a first GD2 graphics program. No need to be PaintSlap Pro or whatever, just a little something along the lines of earlier QL graphics programs which allow you to draw some simple graphics. It does go to show that although up until now we have had adequate software development tools to produce reasonable software, GD2 has not had the support tools necessary to plough ahead with good software. Yes, the Q40 has brought some good programs, but to some extent they are specific to Q40, or are only at their best on a Q40/Q60. How I look forward to QPTR and EasyPtr being GD2-aware for example. Wolfgang Uhlig recently sent me a cute little GD2 program called QcoLour which helps with the development of hues and shades on high colour systems, and I think is the first or one of the first QL program to use 'skins' or user definable backgrounds (nice colour ripples and textures). A neat little splash of colour. Simon Goodwin, for example, has been doing some good work with his Digicam software, so people with some Kodak cameras can download and handle camera graphics on a QDOS system. The capability is there, but we have to remember it's talented individuals working in their spare time and mostly for free. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
[ql-users] Digicam
Thanks again to those who replied to my mail on this subject. I have passed on the offers of testing help received from you to Simon Goodwin. One thing he mentioned is that it would help to get exact details of your hardware from those who replied (Per, Davide, Peter, Fabrizio). I suggest you contact Simon directly to reduce the risk of errors by me - he'll need to know what type of computer you have and the exact model of camera. Simon can be emailed on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't reply direct to this mail to this list - he won't see it as he's not on this list IIRC. Simon also noted in his email to me that he has got both his DIY Midi system and Digicam running on uQLx and is hoping to have a go at getting the QL Sampled Sound System to work on uQLx too! -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Nice idea of 'namimg' :-) ... Jon's work needs a good interface attached to it to become a 'useable by all' emailer. I haven't seen his work. However, the mail client I plan to do will be functional, text-based, and probably fully open source. Assuming that you will be basing it on Jon's TCP/IP code ... if you really are planning something :-) I'm really planning to do it. Not having a power supply for my QL is the biggest challenge to doing anything! ;) Dave ql.spodmail.com
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
I'm really planning to do it. Not having a power supply for my QL is the biggest challenge to doing anything! ;) Dave ql.spodmail.com Dave did you contact François Lanciault yet for the PSU? Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX aftermath, OffT then OnT
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I was saying was that TP has worked fine. I have never used any other product 'cos of this. I am not trying to be arrogant in any sense, and I am sorry if you interpreted the bare words in this way. No offence, Tony, most of your comments in this group are mild mannered and constructive. When I wrote my comments I was not thinking of anyone in particular, but of a general attitude among QL users. In his contribution Richard made some good points, especially about MS being caught on the hop by the growth of the internet, but the fact remains that most people access this list via an MS system. Pity that the QL possibilities to which he refers were not further developed. Remember the feeling about QL emailing and internet access at Portsmouth 2000 when there was almost a First World War attitude of It will be over by Christmas , in spite of Jon Dent's unequivocal warning that there was still a lot of work to do? How far have we advanced in the last two years, or are we still in the trenches? We have the right to be MS haters, but let's be realistic about our own shortcomings even if these are mainly because of the fact that we are all unpaid and doing it in our spare time. Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Dave did you contact François Lanciault yet for the PSU? No. I don't know who that is :o) Sounds like I missed something when I should have been paying attention. Could you email their contact details privately? :*) Dave ql.spodmail.com
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
At 02:33 ìì 7/4/2002, you wrote: On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Dave did you contact François Lanciault yet for the PSU? No. I don't know who that is :o) Sounds like I missed something when I should have been paying attention. Could you email their contact details privately? :*) Dave ql.spodmail.com Hold on... coming via separate email RIGHT UP :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] filter dodger
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:11:32AM +0100, P Witte wrote: was Re: [ql-users] DIANOUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Waugh writes: No need for tantrums lads, I think I started this merely by mentioning that I had received a virus twice from the same source, would you rather I had kept quiet and let it spread further. The bandwidth expended by those like myself who commented on the fact that a virus was infecting the list is nothing compared to that expended by those who now choose to complain about it at great length ( Per ). I submitted a reasoned explanation about why I objected to being sniped at (again) for a legitimate complaint and warning to other users. (When I sent my mail had hadnt seen yours.) In the interest of avoiding a posting of a list of some 400 email programs I felt this very small sacrifice in bandwidth to be very well worth it ;) hehe, the 400 email progs was not a very serious offer from me, there is only about 10 I could really recommend and maybe some 20 others I tried. Otoh if other people have positive experiences with their email software it would be only fair to give them appropriate room to present their experiences - after all the original worm and subsequent thread already filled our mailboxes with at least 111031 bytes in 25 emails (Sunday 13:30).. the virus itself was 41132 bytes btw. In short I consider 1 warning message utterly sufficient, if not outright overkill. Most people use appropriate software and know how to operate it - if not it is their choice. However I can't help to say it is a strange system where you can't even safely view tiff images for example, no other system that has ever been marketed or given away for free has so bad security. Richard
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In message 009f01c1de51$006f5ca0$20065cc3@default, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tarquin has already started to write a browser in beta form for the QL - he is also a RISC OS user - I have forgotten what he calls it. Hyperbrowser Ah ... yes, that's the one :-) I have a copy, yet it doesn't work for me :-( ... anyone got it working ? Yes, all but one version I could only get to work with text. He has (or was plannign to?) use Photon to display JPEGs but I don't think I got hold of this version. I seem to remember it relied on a version of Photon which was able to have filenames for display passed as a parameter and I'm not sure that existed then (i.e. did Tarquin get it working or was it just a feature he'd put in ready for when Dave Westbury got that to work in Photon). It is only text at present. That's a start at least. Text browsers are a bit useless in the modern graphics-driven internet but at least Lynx and HyperBrowser form something from which to start from once soql becomes reality (if ever Jon Dent sorts his Linux systems out - I think he was having problems with a Linux system he was setting up to test and debug soql). There was another QL text-only browser called QMosaic too. If you could find a version which worked on your system, it worked rather well as a text-only browser. Trouble was, of all the versions I came across (and I have 2 or 3) they were a bit fussy as to which QL system they'd run on. Yes, that seems to be the core of it, at present ... exactly which system it will run on. However, it is still early days ... Any graphical QL browser would need to be able to handle much of what the internet currently thrusts upon us - reasonably fast display of various graphics format like PNG, JPEG, and GIF. Or at the very least be sufficiently capable of putting a square in the display where the graphic is to go and a 'Click On This To View This Graphic' as the next step up from text browsers. One way would be for this 'Click To View' thingy to call up a graphics viewer like PhotoQL or Photon via FileInfo 2 and over time a library of file viewers would be available, so that even if browser development stopped external viewers etc (plug-ins???) allowed some advancement. Download speed needs to be good, for graphics. Although many are not a problem to display if the site authors have taken the trouble to correspond the file size to the graphic display size. Unfortuneatley many sites have graphics that have been 'slung up'. We also need a first GD2 graphics program. No need to be PaintSlap Pro or whatever, just a little something along the lines of earlier QL graphics programs which allow you to draw some simple graphics. The parts for this seem to be coming together now that graphics can be done well on a QDOS / SMSQ base. I know that Chris Cave is working on an excellent technical drawing program - called 'Drawing', as I am working on writing the manual for it :-) So, the QL can do graphics, and and it very well ! It does go to show that although up until now we have had adequate software development tools to produce reasonable software, GD2 has not had the support tools necessary to plough ahead with good software. Yes, the Q40 has brought some good programs, but to some extent they are specific to Q40, or are only at their best on a Q40/Q60. How I look forward to QPTR and EasyPtr being GD2-aware for example. I have not seen what has been done for the Q40/Q60. Wolfgang Uhlig recently sent me a cute little GD2 program called QcoLour which helps with the development of hues and shades on high colour systems, and I think is the first or one of the first QL program to use 'skins' or user definable backgrounds (nice colour ripples and textures). A neat little splash of colour. Yes, I have downloaded that ... the examples are impressive. Although it does now show up the poor quality of the fonts. Simon Goodwin, for example, has been doing some good work with his Digicam software, so people with some Kodak cameras can download and handle camera graphics on a QDOS system. The capability is there, but we have to remember it's talented individuals working in their spare time and mostly for free. That is it ... yet it is fun :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Nice idea of 'namimg' :-) ... Jon's work needs a good interface attached to it to become a 'useable by all' emailer. I haven't seen his work. However, the mail client I plan to do will be functional, text-based, and probably fully open source. Probably best to have a look, then. Although I am a great believer in alternatives ... it makes for more challenges. Assuming that you will be basing it on Jon's TCP/IP code ... if you really are planning something :-) I'm really planning to do it. Not having a power supply for my QL is the biggest challenge to doing anything! ;) Good ! ... and I guess its an American power supply that you need ? -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: Well I tried that. I registered, and it then invited me to login using user name and password. Considering I had never registered a password, that was difficult (8-)# It emails the password to you, and you can change it later. Anyway, it's already a failed idea, so I'll work on something else. Like, maybe, some advertising material for the Qeyboard :o) Actually I realise that The forum bit is different. I was referring to ql-chat which I tried to log onto and have yet to receive a message on. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Probably best to have a look, then. Although I am a great believer in alternatives ... it makes for more challenges. Well here's the plan: The program has a config file with sensible defaults. The first time it's run it asks for your name, email address, POP3 and SMTP servers. It asks if you want to set up a .sig file. After that, and immediately for all subsequent executions, it goes to the folder display. This gives you access to your inbox, outbox, and archived mail in month-by-month folders. Archived mail is compressed. It will as far as possible use pine keypresses to do thing, providing a useful subset of functionality. It will do everything plain text. If it receives email in HTML format, it will strip out or obey the tags the best it can. If there's a MIME or UUE attachment it will understand it, and you can save that attachment as a file. I'm looking at ways to reliably transfer header info. ... and I guess its an American power supply that you need ? Yes. I will be doing an ATX - QL adaptor at some point, but it's a case opening job, so many won't like it. However, ATM I have a QL I can't use, though I understand a PSU is available for me - I just have to contact someone and arrange it. Dave ql.spodmail.com
Re: [ql-users] QL Forum
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Roy Wood wrote: Actually I realise that The forum bit is different. I was referring to ql-chat which I tried to log onto and have yet to receive a message on. qlchat is on sabbatical. :o) I'm reorganizing everything on the servers here. I now have a separate mail server, and am reconfiguring dozens of apps to work with the new MTA (Exim). Unfortunately, the lists are a medium priority so they won't be back until probably the middle of the week. The main server, 'box', is having a major upgrade and refit next week too. After that, I will have a secure and stable environment that I can grow with... It's only taking so long because of my insistence on using Linux instead of anything Microsoft - it's quite a learning curve. Dave ql.spodmail.com
