Re: [ql-users] Perfection etc. and Copyright

2004-10-08 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 8 Oct 2004 at 18:34, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> > And just imagine the field days lawyers would have if they'd had to
> plead
> > whether something was moral or not. Shudder.
> >
> > Wolfgang
> I thought you were a lawyer, Wolfgang?

yup.

> Or is that what you meant???

Well... 

Wolfgang

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Re: [ql-users] Perfection etc. and Copyright

2004-10-08 Thread Dilwyn Jones

> On 8 Oct 2004 at 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Moral copyright is all very well, until someone gets their
solicitor onto
> > you. Just because you're giving it away for free doesnt make
it right.
>
> Mopral copyright is not very well - simply because what is moral to
me isn't
> to you, or vice-versa
>
> And just imagine the field days lawyers would have if they'd had to
plead
> whether something was moral or not. Shudder.
>
> Wolfgang
I thought you were a lawyer, Wolfgang?

Or is that what you meant???

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Re: [ql-users] Perfection etc. and Copyright

2004-10-08 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 8 Oct 2004 at 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Moral copyright is all very well, until someone gets their solicitor onto
> you. Just because you're giving it away for free doesnt make it right.

Mopral copyright is not very well - simply because what is moral to me isn't 
to you, or vice-versa

And just imagine the field days lawyers would have if they'd had to plead 
whether something was moral or not. Shudder.

Wolfgang


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Re: [ql-users] Perfection etc. and Copyright

2004-10-08 Thread Darren . Branagh




John Sadler wrote:-

>Copyright was introduced so that the author could get a reasonable
>recompense for his/hers efforts.
>Of course when the lawyers have finished it all becomes unreasonable!
>However that does not change the moral ideas behind copyright.
>It seems totally unreasonable to me that people should be denighed the use
>of an item because the authors have lost interest or just want to be to be
>awkward.
>Perhaps a little application of moral copyright would be the solution
>provided of course there is no commercial benefit to anyone else besides
the
>author(s).


Well, I wouldnt really agree with this, although I don't see the point of
certain authors being awkward either. Having said that, should an author
not want his work distributed, then thats that - it is his after all.

Moral copyright is all very well, until someone gets their solicitor onto
you. Just because you're giving it away for free doesnt make it right.

Cheers,

Darren.





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Re: [ql-users] Perfection etc. and Copyright

2004-10-07 Thread John Sadler
Copyright was introduced so that the author could get a reasonable
recompense for his/hers efforts.
Of course when the lawyers have finished it all becomes unreasonable!
However that does not change the moral ideas behind copyright.
It seems totally unreasonable to me that people should be denighed the use
of an item because the authors have lost interest or just want to be to be
awkward.
Perhaps a little application of moral copyright would be the solution
provided of course there is no commercial benefit to anyone else besides the
author(s).

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From: "gwicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection
>
>
> .
> > Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor
> > professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the
ql-archive
> > will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-)
> > For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of
the
> > search code (in PHP).
> >
>
> Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the
> archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who raised
> this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity there
> was no proper discussion of this at the time.
>
> Practical problems are for example:
>
> 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD
and
> commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy a
> team for months on end.
>
> 2: How do you contact the copyright holders and/or authors when there is
no
> up to date contact information? Specifically how would you solve the
> QLiberator problem.
>
> 3: How do you sort out complicated copyright questions? For example Freddy
V
> gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, but not Spellchecker.
Or
> think of the situation with the EasyPtr upgrade.
>
> 4: How do you cope with the anal retention problem, where an author
refuses
> to release or modify code? (e.g. the Text87 problem.)
>
> If we are really serious about a software archive, then it should not be a
> one man effort, but a team looking at these problems.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Geoff
>
>
>
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