Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
On 16 Jul 2004 at 20:40, gwicks wrote: Not me That is one of the reasons I posed the question. As far as I know none of the people who have raised this issue so far will be at QL2004. Unlike WoS we could preserve the source code, where we have, to. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Thanks for the offer. He has only scanned pages 1-17, 69-83 and 102-103 as .PNG graphics files. Would like to think it would be possible to OCR them, but I tried feeding the files he gave me to my OCR program, they are too light and not detailed enough, it can't make sense of them. If they were OCRed they might be small enough to put on my website I suppose. As it is, the megabytes means they'll only be in the PD library and supplied on CD I suppose. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE Hi, I heard some time ago that the compiler could not cope with more than 1MB of memory so had problems with any expanded system. I have a copy of the manual so if you do not get all the pages, could scan send. Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 15 July 2004 21:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: I have been contemplating this for years :-) With the help of several nice users I have a very complete collection of software and games (which I previously owned anyway)... however due to the copyright problems that this would present I do not see it happening anytime soon. Of course if someone would like to hunt the original authors of most software (Including DP which couldn't/shouldn't be absent from such a collection) and get permission WOS-style, I would gladly donate the space. I do have currently approx 2 Gigabytes of compressed QL software and that doesn't include my progs. Can't help with the programs mentioned, but we have managed to get Computer One Pascal compiler released now for non-commercial usage, the former MD of Computer One (Paul Ives) gave permission to Jean-Yves Rouffiac who in turn asked me to make it available on a freeware basis from my website and PD library. He's sent me the compiler and the scanned manual on a CD, although there seems to be a minor problem which I'm chasing up with him regarding some missing manual pages. The compiler doesn't seem to run on QPC2 though it should be fine on QDOS systems (anyone game to try to have a look why?) This might make a nice little Quanta group project perhaps - form a group of interested members to chase up older software? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE SNIP This might make a nice little Quanta group project perhaps - form a group of interested members to chase up older software? Remember this list is not a Quanta list and Quanta does not monitor it. As far as I know there are only two of us on the Quanta committee who subscribe to it. Nevertheless this is an interesting proposal for Quanta, particularly if their might be a possibility of buying rights to a program, (and maybe upgrading to GD2 colours.) Can I suggest the people who are interested in this project email one another privately and formulate some more concrete proposals, as I, for one, am uncertain exactly what people are proposing. Then make a formal proposition to Quanta with a request for funding, if necessary. Follow this with a short article for the Quanta Magazine so that members can see the old girl still has a purpose. Geoff Wicks PS Don't forget there are ways of tracing people who have disappeared, particularly if they have an unusual name. For example, I think you will find the QLiberator missing link is living in Uxbridge. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004 On 15 Jul 2004 at 21:15, gwicks wrote: Two points for general discussion: 1) How would you like to do this? As a part of the activity program or as forum item? Any which way. If the former who would like to present it? Not me That is one of the reasons I posed the question. As far as I know none of the people who have raised this issue so far will be at QL2004. If they can't make, they should think of other possibilities. I.e. we hope to have an internet connection on the day, or they could send a video, DVD etc. Bear in mind that if this item is on the agenda, there is a lot of work for someone after the event. I appreaciate that there will be a lot of work to contact the copyright owners but why is there a lot of work to do because the item is on the agenda? What's the point of having something on an agenda if afterwards nothing happens? This list has more than its fair share of fantasies. Think back a year and QL2004 was just a discussion topic that was going nowhere and went nowhere for about 6 months. I had to behave like an authoritarian dictator to get things off the ground. Now people are working hard on the idea and in this connection Sin-QL-Air deserve special praise. 2) The activity program is slowly filling up, although one or two items on it are provisional. If it gets too full would you prefer a strict limit on activities or an attempt to create a number of separate interest groups? Is there really so much to do/talk about? This will be a very interesting meeting, then. Could some talks be held concomitantly? I have no idea what the attendance will be like, but it looks as though most of the movers and shakers of the QL community will be present. Remember most QL development is now done in North Europe and Eindhoven is ideally placed for this. I would like us to use QL2004 as a unique opportunity to meet together, have a morale boost and plan for the future. As for the program, think about all the things you have expressed an interest in or which concerns things you have helped to develop. On the practical side I am not sure what time and resources are necessary for each activity item, but at the beginning of September I shall be in touch with all presenters and then shall try to draw up a more detailed program. Best Wishes, Geoff Wicks http://members.lycos.co.uk/geoffwicks/ql2004.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
On 16 Jul 2004 at 20:20, gwicks wrote: (...) Nevertheless this is an interesting proposal for Quanta, particularly if their might be a possibility of buying rights to a program, (and maybe upgrading to GD2 colours.) Would anybody really be prepared to pay for that kind of old software? (...) PS Don't forget there are ways of tracing people who have disappeared, particularly if they have an unusual name. For example, I think you will find the QLiberator missing link is living in Uxbridge. Oh, c'me on, now you've either said too much or too little - let's have more details. Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
On 16 Jul 2004 at 20:40, gwicks wrote: (...) Not me That is one of the reasons I posed the question. As far as I know none of the people who have raised this issue so far will be at QL2004. Yes, well, experience tells me that if you stick your neck out too far, you'll be stuck with the job. I'm quite willing to debate the question (perhaps I'd even have an idea or two) but I wouldn't want to be the one to actuallt do the job (at least I'm honest about it...). If they can't make, they should think of other possibilities. I.e. we hope to have an internet connection on the day, or they could send a video, DVD etc. Or just air their ideas here first. (...) What's the point of having something on an agenda if afterwards nothing happens? This list has more than its fair share of fantasies. I misread that at first and read fanatics. How true. Think back a year and QL2004 was just a discussion topic that was going nowhere and went nowhere for about 6 months. I had to behave like an authoritarian dictator (trying out my goosesteps right now) to get things off the ground. Now people are working hard on the idea and in this connection Sin-QL-Air deserve special praise. And you, too!! So there will actually be some sort of follow up on what is decided during that meeting. I'm impressed (and, for once, not being sarcastic!). (...) I have no idea what the attendance will be like, but it looks as though most of the movers and shakers of the QL community will be present. There will probably come a time when there are nothing but movers and shakers left. Will that be good or bad? Remember most QL development is now done in North Europe and Eindhoven is ideally placed for this. I would like us to use QL2004 as a unique opportunity to meet together, have a morale boost and plan for the future. Hooray! As for the program, think about all the things you have expressed an interest in or which concerns things you have helped to develop. Unfortuantely, as far as the interest is concerned, in come the fantasies you talked about earlier It'll be nice to see what is doable and what not. On the practical side I am not sure what time and resources are necessary for each activity item, but at the beginning of September I shall be in touch with all presenters and then shall try to draw up a more detailed program. OK, here I want to go on record and thank you for all of the work you are doing for that. If QL2004 is a success, it'll be largely because of your investment! ... and if it isn't, it'll be because of the general apathy lately prevalent in our circles... Best Wishes, Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
On 15 Jul 2004 at 21:15, gwicks wrote: Two points for general discussion: 1) How would you like to do this? As a part of the activity program or as forum item? Any which way. If the former who would like to present it? Not me Bear in mind that if this item is on the agenda, there is a lot of work for someone after the event. I appreaciate that there will be a lot of work to contact the copyright owners but why is there a lot of work to do because the item is on the agenda? 2) The activity program is slowly filling up, although one or two items on it are provisional. If it gets too full would you prefer a strict limit on activities or an attempt to create a number of separate interest groups? Is there really so much to do/talk about? This will be a very interesting meeting, then. Could some talks be held concomitantly? Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
On 15 Jul 2004 at 9:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) Should this be on the agenda for QL2004? Definitely! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Darren Branagh, wrote: This is maybe something that should be discussed at the QL 2004 meeting - which will probably have the biggest attendence of a QL show this year. I would certainly consider mailing and trying to contact various QL vendors and authors of past works - with a little help of course, as I dont have many recent addresses. I know Tony has a large Database of past QL'ers - could you help here, tony? Remember to you can also put up software if you have not got permision, and none one is objecting, this would save more software. It is definitely worth doing, if only for posterity, and there are plently of good old software out there that can't (but should) be freely distributed now that could still be made use of, and all it would take to free it up in most cases is a nod from the right person. Should this be on the agenda for QL2004? Yes -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:51:26 +0100, Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Branagh, wrote: This is maybe something that should be discussed at the QL 2004 meeting - which will probably have the biggest attendence of a QL show this year. I would certainly consider mailing and trying to contact various QL vendors and authors of past works - with a little help of course, as I dont have many recent addresses. I know Tony has a large Database of past QL'ers - could you help here, tony? Remember to you can also put up software if you have not got permision, and none one is objecting, this would save more software. I have contemplated that as well... but it's too much hassle especially if you live in the US like I do (DMCA etc...). The only thing we could upload therefore are programs that we already have permission for :-( Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Phoebus Dokos wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:51:26 +0100, Tarquin Mills Darren Branagh, wrote: This is maybe something that should be discussed at the QL 2004 meeting which will probably have the biggest attendence of a QL show this year. I would certainly consider mailing and trying to contact various QL vendors and authors of past works - with a little help of course, as I dont have many recent addresses. I know Tony has a large Database of past QL'ers - could you help here, tony? Remember to you can also put up software if you have not got permision, and none one is objecting, this would save more software. I have contemplated that as well... but it's too much hassle especially if you live in the US like I do (DMCA etc...). The only thing we could upload therefore are programs that we already have permission for :-( We could use a different country like Greece and make backs to CD that we give away. -- Tarquin Mills Norwich Sinclair and Clones Show (ORSAM 2004) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/ http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Sinclair/petition.html (Bring Back YS) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE On 15 Jul 2004 at 9:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) Should this be on the agenda for QL2004? Definitely! Wolfgang Two points for general discussion: 1) How would you like to do this? As a part of the activity program or as forum item? If the former who would like to present it? Bear in mind that if this item is on the agenda, there is a lot of work for someone after the event. 2) The activity program is slowly filling up, although one or two items on it are provisional. If it gets too full would you prefer a strict limit on activities or an attempt to create a number of separate interest groups? Geoff Wicks http://members.lycos.co.uk/geoffwicks/ql2004.htm PS Darren. Ryanair uses Eindhoven Airport and quoted one QL-er a fare of £8 from Stanstead. A little problem of weekend flights, but QL2004 would probably be no more expensive than Byfleet. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: I have been contemplating this for years :-) With the help of several nice users I have a very complete collection of software and games (which I previously owned anyway)... however due to the copyright problems that this would present I do not see it happening anytime soon. Of course if someone would like to hunt the original authors of most software (Including DP which couldn't/shouldn't be absent from such a collection) and get permission WOS-style, I would gladly donate the space. I do have currently approx 2 Gigabytes of compressed QL software and that doesn't include my progs. Can't help with the programs mentioned, but we have managed to get Computer One Pascal compiler released now for non-commercial usage, the former MD of Computer One (Paul Ives) gave permission to Jean-Yves Rouffiac who in turn asked me to make it available on a freeware basis from my website and PD library. He's sent me the compiler and the scanned manual on a CD, although there seems to be a minor problem which I'm chasing up with him regarding some missing manual pages. The compiler doesn't seem to run on QPC2 though it should be fine on QDOS systems (anyone game to try to have a look why?) This might make a nice little Quanta group project perhaps - form a group of interested members to chase up older software? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
This is maybe something that should be discussed at the QL 2004 meeting - which will probably have the biggest attendence of a QL show this year. I would certainly consider mailing and trying to contact various QL vendors and authors of past works - with a little help of course, as I dont have many recent addresses. I know Tony has a large Database of past QL'ers - could you help here, tony? It is definitely worth doing, if only for posterity, and there are plently of good old software out there that can't (but should) be freely distributed now that could still be made use of, and all it would take to free it up in most cases is a nod from the right person. Should this be on the agenda for QL2004? I would say so. Get your request to the committee for inclusion on any agenda for the show, and sound out those you think might be interested in such a project. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Rich Mellor wrote: Just a quick query - does anyone have a working copy of the 3D program which formed part of the Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE package?? This file is corrupt on my only copy. What we need is QL version of WoS. BTW are ZX81 membranes available? -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:37:34 +0100, Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Just a quick query - does anyone have a working copy of the 3D program which formed part of the Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE package?? This file is corrupt on my only copy. What we need is QL version of WoS. BTW are ZX81 membranes available? I have been contemplating this for years :-) With the help of several nice users I have a very complete collection of software and games (which I previously owned anyway)... however due to the copyright problems that this would present I do not see it happening anytime soon. Of course if someone would like to hunt the original authors of most software (Including DP which couldn't/shouldn't be absent from such a collection) and get permission WOS-style, I would gladly donate the space. I do have currently approx 2 Gigabytes of compressed QL software and that doesn't include my progs. Phoebus -- Visit the QL-FAQ at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/faq/ (Still uploading stuff!) Visit the uQLX-win32 homepage at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlx.html Visit the uQLX-mac home page at:http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlxmac.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
