Rejected Messages!!

2001-06-08 Thread Kirti S. Bajwa


I am getting the following message:

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

test test (Mailbox or Conference is full.)

after something is posted on qmail list. Are others getting the same
message??


Kirti 



Re: Rejected Messages!!

2001-06-08 Thread Charles Cazabon

Kirti S. Bajwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am getting the following message:
 
   Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
 
   test test (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
 
 after something is posted on qmail list. Are others getting the same
 message??

There are various people subscribed to the qmail mailing list or a sublist
thereof, and whose accounts reside on horribly broken mail servers.  These
servers notice a problem like the above, and then generate a bounce --
unfortunately, they violate RFC2821 in doing so, because they send the bounce
to the address in the From: header (i.e., you) instead of the envelope sender
(i.e. ezmlm on list.cr.yp.to).

I suggest you do what I do:

1.  After this happens the first time, send an email message to postmaster at
the offending domain.  Explain the problem, and why they should fix it.

2.  If they make good-faith efforts to resolve the problem, stop here.

3.  If postmaster@domain bounces, or the postmaster refuses to consider the
possibility that they are causing problems for the net at large, refuse SMTP
connections from that host.

Charles
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Re: Rejected Messages!!

2001-06-08 Thread Greg White

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:24:52AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
 Kirti S. Bajwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I am getting the following message:
  
  Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
  
  test test (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
  
  after something is posted on qmail list. Are others getting the same
  message??
 
 There are various people subscribed to the qmail mailing list or a sublist
 thereof, and whose accounts reside on horribly broken mail servers.  These
 servers notice a problem like the above, and then generate a bounce --
 unfortunately, they violate RFC2821 in doing so, because they send the bounce
 to the address in the From: header (i.e., you) instead of the envelope sender
 (i.e. ezmlm on list.cr.yp.to).
 
 I suggest you do what I do:
 
 1.  After this happens the first time, send an email message to postmaster at
 the offending domain.  Explain the problem, and why they should fix it.

Kirti, Charles, and the rest of the list -- I have already done this.
postmaster bounces in this case. root may also bounce, but I sent one
after adding him to badmailfrom. ;)
 
 2.  If they make good-faith efforts to resolve the problem, stop here.

See above.
 
 3.  If postmaster@domain bounces, or the postmaster refuses to consider the
 possibility that they are causing problems for the net at large, refuse SMTP
 connections from that host.

Problem is, it's not his SMTP, it's list.cr.yp.to -- is it worth
notifying [EMAIL PROTECTED]? (I suspect that Dan already knows...)
This is not the first time that this domain has had this problem --
postmaster has bounced for a long time...

-- 
Greg White



Re: Rejected Messages!!

2001-06-08 Thread Charles Cazabon

Greg White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  3.  If postmaster@domain bounces, or the postmaster refuses to consider the
  possibility that they are causing problems for the net at large, refuse SMTP
  connections from that host.
 
 Problem is, it's not his SMTP, it's list.cr.yp.to -- is it worth
 notifying [EMAIL PROTECTED]?

We're not talking about the same problem, then -- and I think you're mistaken.
Autoresponders (including Could not deliver, mailbox is full type ones)
reply to the envelope sender when they're correct, and to the contents of the
From: header when they're horribly broken.  For one to reply to the list
address, they'd have to be sending notifications to the envelope recipient,
which makes no sense.

If you still think this is the case, post complete headers of one of these
messages you're receiving.  You may be seeing a totally different problem.

Charles
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Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Rejected Messages!!

2001-06-08 Thread Greg White

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:32:43AM -0700, Greg White wrote:
 Problem is, it's not his SMTP, it's list.cr.yp.to -- is it worth
 notifying [EMAIL PROTECTED]? (I suspect that Dan already knows...)
 This is not the first time that this domain has had this problem --
 postmaster has bounced for a long time..
 
 
 Next time, Greg will read headers more carefully before talking out his
 butt. Sorry, all, obviously brain dead today. Bounces are from the host
 in question. Never had to black hole a host like this, but I will now
 
GW