Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Jake Vickers wrote: Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages. Thank you for clarifying. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
Am Thursday 24 September 2009 22:41:43 schrieb Jake Vickers: John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages. Andreas Galatis wrote: Hi John, Consider using worldmerge, shareware that works very good and pulls data out of a database. It does not send via outlook but has it's own mailclient. It's not free, but 40$ isn't exaggerated and it does a very good job. This tool sends mails one per one. Only if you use iptables recent, you will have to exclude the senders ip-address from this rule. Andreas Thanks Andreas for the suggestion. The database software we are using to send out the emails is using a mail merge program that also sends out emails one per one. I have several options, but the person sending the emails likes using the Outlook option because it makes the emails more personable. I assume the problem is, even though the program sends the emails out one by one, that it sends them out fast enough that there is not enough time in between each email, and chkuser thinks we are violating recipient and security policies. Is there a time-out setting (SMTP?) before the next email can be sent so it can be seen as a single email and not as a large group that might be contributing to the chkuser violations? For example each email is sent out from the database as a single email, but they are still being caught by chkuser as exceeding the recipient limit. If there is a setting I can change in qmailtoaster, let me know so I can test it. Thanks, John - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
John Hansen wrote: Am Thursday 24 September 2009 22:41:43 schrieb Jake Vickers: John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages. Andreas Galatis wrote: Hi John, Consider using worldmerge, shareware that works very good and pulls data out of a database. It does not send via outlook but has it's own mailclient. It's not free, but 40$ isn't exaggerated and it does a very good job. This tool sends mails one per one. Only if you use iptables recent, you will have to exclude the senders ip-address from this rule. Andreas Thanks Andreas for the suggestion. The database software we are using to send out the emails is using a mail merge program that also sends out emails one per one. I have several options, but the person sending the emails likes using the Outlook option because it makes the emails more personable. I assume the problem is, even though the program sends the emails out one by one, that it sends them out fast enough that there is not enough time in between each email, and chkuser thinks we are violating recipient and security policies. Is there a time-out setting (SMTP?) before the next email can be sent so it can be seen as a single email and not as a large group that might be contributing to the chkuser violations? For example each email is sent out from the database as a single email, but they are still being caught by chkuser as exceeding the recipient limit. If there is a setting I can change in qmailtoaster, let me know so I can test it. Thanks, John It sounds to me like they're not being sent individually. If the were individual, I don't think that chkuser would have any way of relating them. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
Hi John, I think Eric is right. I have a client using world merge for a list with about 1000 subscribers with no problem through qmail-toaster. Andreas Am Freitag, den 25.09.2009, 07:48 -0700 schrieb Eric Shubert: John Hansen wrote: Am Thursday 24 September 2009 22:41:43 schrieb Jake Vickers: John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages. Andreas Galatis wrote: Hi John, Consider using worldmerge, shareware that works very good and pulls data out of a database. It does not send via outlook but has it's own mailclient. It's not free, but 40$ isn't exaggerated and it does a very good job. This tool sends mails one per one. Only if you use iptables recent, you will have to exclude the senders ip-address from this rule. Andreas Thanks Andreas for the suggestion. The database software we are using to send out the emails is using a mail merge program that also sends out emails one per one. I have several options, but the person sending the emails likes using the Outlook option because it makes the emails more personable. I assume the problem is, even though the program sends the emails out one by one, that it sends them out fast enough that there is not enough time in between each email, and chkuser thinks we are violating recipient and security policies. Is there a time-out setting (SMTP?) before the next email can be sent so it can be seen as a single email and not as a large group that might be contributing to the chkuser violations? For example each email is sent out from the database as a single email, but they are still being caught by chkuser as exceeding the recipient limit. If there is a setting I can change in qmailtoaster, let me know so I can test it. Thanks, John It sounds to me like they're not being sent individually. If the were individual, I don't think that chkuser would have any way of relating them. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
Greetings list, I have a problem with one of my users who is trying to send out a large amount of emails (900+) at one time. We are a school, and we try to send out regular updates to our alumni regarding upcoming events and interests. These emails are generated via a database program, then sent through this particular users Outlook client. This is not spam, but to our email server, it is being treated like it. Which I appreciate. All the users in the database have asked to have emails sent to them. Below are the 2 separate bounce back messages, the tcp.smtp settings, and the spamdyke.conf setting for max recipients. It appears that the messages are still being stopped after the recipient limit hits 50. The chkuser_recptlimit=1000. What do I need to change/update in order for these to be sent out without errors? __ From: System Administrator Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 AM To: Ellen Lastname Subject:Undeliverable: Go Big Blue! Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Go Big Blue! Sent: 9/24/2009 9:59 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: different-u...@domain.net on 9/24/2009 10:00 AM 571 sorry, you are violating our security policies (#5.7.1 - chkuser) __ From: System Administrator Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:59 AM To: Ellen Lastname Subject:Undeliverable: Go Big Blue! Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Go Big Blue! Sent: 9/24/2009 9:59 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: u...@domain.com on 9/24/2009 9:59 AM 571 sorry, reached maximum number of recipients for one session (#5.7.1 - chkuser) tcp.smtp 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=,DKSIGN=/var/qmail/control/domainkeys/%/private,RBLSMTPD=,NOP0FCHECK=1 :allow,BADMIMETYPE=,BADLOADERTYPE=M,CHKUSER_RCPTLIMIT=1000,CHKUSER_WRONGRCPTLIMIT=100,QMAILQUEUE=/var/qmail/bin/simscan,DKSIGN=/var/qmail/control/domainkeys/%/private,NOP0FCHECK=1 /et/spamdyke/spamdyke.conf max-recipients=1000 Thanks, John - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, John Hansen wrote: What do I need to change/update in order for these to be sent out without errors? you need to set up an ezmlm mailing list on the toaster and have your user send mass emails via this list rather than via Outlook. that's what mailing lists are for. :) -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
Steve Huff wrote: On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, John Hansen wrote: What do I need to change/update in order for these to be sent out without errors? you need to set up an ezmlm mailing list on the toaster and have your user send mass emails via this list rather than via Outlook. that's what mailing lists are for. :) -steve I realize that's an option, and probably my first choice as well. We all ready utilize many ezmlm mailing lists for teachers, staff, and parents. For this particular situation though the data is kept in a database all ready that has the mail/merge functionality designed for this specific purpose, and it would be nice to keep the data in one place instead of two. Thanks for your suggestion. John - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
John Hansen Director of Technology Cotter Schools 1115 W. Broadway Winona, MN 55987 507-453-5000 www.cotterschools.org Steve Huff wrote: On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, John Hansen wrote: What do I need to change/update in order for these to be sent out without errors? you need to set up an ezmlm mailing list on the toaster and have your user send mass emails via this list rather than via Outlook. that's what mailing lists are for. :) -steve John Hansen wrote: I realize that's an option, and probably my first choice as well. We all ready utilize many ezmlm mailing lists for teachers, staff, and parents. For this particular situation though the data is kept in a database all ready that has the mail/merge functionality designed for this specific purpose, and it would be nice to keep the data in one place instead of two. Thanks for your suggestion. John Jake Vickers wrote: I believe that chkuser has a hard limit of 254 for the number of recipients due to the string type used in the code. You would need to modify the source code to change the string type to allow larger arrays. (I dimly remember looking into this a couple years ago) Also, it's rather easy to recompile (from source) ezmlm and enable mysql support. It's not in the stock QMT package (and is honestly easier to do in the new version of ezmlm from source). You will need some overrides for removing the old package since qmailadmin depends on it. Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages.
Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems emailing large number of recipients
Am Thursday 24 September 2009 22:41:43 schrieb Jake Vickers: John Hansen wrote: Jake, Are you suggesting that even if I use ezmlm for sending to this many recipients (over 254) that I'll still receive chkuser errors? John Nope. ezmlm does not have the same limitation that chkuser does, since it directly injects the messages. Hi John, Consider using worldmerge, shareware that works very good and pulls data out of a database. It does not send via outlook but has it's own mailclient. It's not free, but 40$ isn't exaggerated and it does a very good job. This tool sends mails one per one. Only if you use iptables recent, you will have to exclude the senders ip-address from this rule. Andreas - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
