Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Lee R. Copp wrote: Eric Shubes wrote: Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? Forwarding the message to a spam/ham training address will distort the message but dspam won't care. When dspam is first run the message is scanned to create tags that all belong to a unique id. The tags determine spam or ham and dspam marks it as such along with embedding the id in the header or body. To train on a false-pos or false-neg dspam only really needs the id and the right command line switch. So, it doesn't matter if you forward it as long as that id is in there. Each qmail-alias is set to run dspam with the 'oops, spam' or 'oops, ham' switch and dspam learns from its mistake. To make things really slick only 1 qmail-alias is needed. Simply scan the header for the prior dspam classification and pipe it back to dspam with the correct switch...;) Sounds slick. Is that one qmail-alias per server, domain, or user? (I'm not real clear on the process yet) Do I understand correctly that dspam also keeps track of ham/spam on a per-user basis? In this manner, a piece of mail might be spam to one user and ham to another (in the same domain)? -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Eric Shubes wrote: Is that one qmail-alias per server, domain, or user? (I'm not real clear on the process yet) Its per user but it might be possible to have a global address if dspam was tweaked. It might support it now but I'm not sure...my dspam version is over a year old. Do I understand correctly that dspam also keeps track of ham/spam on a per-user basis? In this manner, a piece of mail might be spam to one user and ham to another (in the same domain)? Yes. Yes. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Rangi Biddle wrote: With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam. Even though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of their inbox which would be clean. Training could be done by forwarding ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using .qmail-alias files. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Eric "Shubes" wrote: Lee R. Copp wrote: Rangi Biddle wrote: With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam. Even though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of their inbox which would be clean. Training could be done by forwarding ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using .qmail-alias files. Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to "bounce" or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from. Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info: Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in parentheses. AOL's integrated email client Redirecting mail is not available. (Dave Goldsmith) Eudora Select the message, go to the "Message" menu, choose redirect, fill in the address, and choose send. (Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler) Evolution Select the message. In the "Actions" menu, choose the "Forward" submenu (not "Forward message", the "Forward" submenu). Pick "Redirect", fill in the "To" field, and press "Send". (Johannes Ullrich) OS/X Mail.app With the email message open or selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and select 'Bounce to sender' or 'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go to the "View" menu, choose "Customize toolbar", and add a button for "Redirect". (Marion Bates) Microsoft Outlook 97 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Tools-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. (Dave Goldsmith) Microsoft Outlook 2000 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Actions-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. (Dave Goldsmith) Microsoft Outlook Express It does not appear to have a redirect option. (Dave Goldsmith and Alex Bates) Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x They don't appear to have a redirect option. Pine For a single message, highlight the message and press "b" to bounce it. Enter the target address and press enter. For multiple messages, select all the messages you'd like to bounce with either ":" to select them one at a time, or ";" to select multiple messages by message number, subject, body text, etc. Once selected, press "a", then "b" to Apply the Bounce command to all of them. Enter the target email address. Once done, press ";", then "a" to Unselect All selected messages. More info can be found at: http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Lee R. Copp wrote: Rangi Biddle wrote: With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam. Even though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of their inbox which would be clean. Training could be done by forwarding ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using .qmail-alias files. Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Justice London wrote: Well, apparently I lied. I'm not going to have time this week to work on the dspam stuff. Justice London That's ok, Justice. There's no hurry. Slow and steady wins the race! If we get anything going at all on this by the end of the year, I'll be happy. ;) -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Well, apparently I lied. I'm not going to have time this week to work on the dspam stuff. Justice London -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:38 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster Jake Vickers wrote: Eric Shubes wrote: Lee R. Copp wrote: Rangi Biddle wrote: With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam. Even though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of their inbox which would be clean. Training could be done by forwarding ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using .qmail-alias files. Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to bounce or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from. Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info: Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in parentheses. AOL's integrated email client Redirecting mail is not available. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Eudora Select the message, go to the Message menu, choose redirect, fill in the address, and choose send. /(Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler)/ Evolution Select the message. In the Actions menu, choose the Forward submenu (not Forward message, the Forward submenu). Pick Redirect, fill in the To field, and press Send. /(Johannes Ullrich)/ OS/X Mail.app With the email message open or selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and select 'Bounce to sender' or 'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go to the View menu, choose Customize toolbar, and add a button for Redirect. /(Marion Bates)/ Microsoft Outlook 97 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Tools-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Microsoft Outlook 2000 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Actions-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Microsoft Outlook Express It does not appear to have a redirect option. /(Dave Goldsmith and Alex Bates)/ Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x They don't appear to have a redirect option. Pine For a single message, highlight the message and press b to bounce it. Enter the target address and press enter. For multiple messages, select all the messages you'd like to bounce with either : to select them one at a time, or ; to select multiple messages by message number, subject, body text, etc. Once selected, press a, then b to Apply the Bounce command to all of them. Enter the target email address. Once done, press ;, then a to Unselect All selected messages. More info can be found at: http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions. I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option. However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7 and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape or not. In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple. Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it can't be done though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Jake Vickers wrote: Eric Shubes wrote: Lee R. Copp wrote: Rangi Biddle wrote: With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam. Even though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of their inbox which would be clean. Training could be done by forwarding ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using .qmail-alias files. Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to bounce or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from. Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info: Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in parentheses. AOL's integrated email client Redirecting mail is not available. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Eudora Select the message, go to the Message menu, choose redirect, fill in the address, and choose send. /(Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler)/ Evolution Select the message. In the Actions menu, choose the Forward submenu (not Forward message, the Forward submenu). Pick Redirect, fill in the To field, and press Send. /(Johannes Ullrich)/ OS/X Mail.app With the email message open or selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and select 'Bounce to sender' or 'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go to the View menu, choose Customize toolbar, and add a button for Redirect. /(Marion Bates)/ Microsoft Outlook 97 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Tools-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Microsoft Outlook 2000 Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on Actions-Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/ Microsoft Outlook Express It does not appear to have a redirect option. /(Dave Goldsmith and Alex Bates)/ Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x They don't appear to have a redirect option. Pine For a single message, highlight the message and press b to bounce it. Enter the target address and press enter. For multiple messages, select all the messages you'd like to bounce with either : to select them one at a time, or ; to select multiple messages by message number, subject, body text, etc. Once selected, press a, then b to Apply the Bounce command to all of them. Enter the target email address. Once done, press ;, then a to Unselect All selected messages. More info can be found at: http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions. I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option. However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7 and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape or not. In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple. Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it can't be done though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Eric Shubes wrote: I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions. I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option. However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7 and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape or not. In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple. Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it can't be done though. That was from a while ago; they may have a fix for Netscape now. Figured that would help a little. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Eric Shubes wrote: Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam handle this? Forwarding the message to a spam/ham training address will distort the message but dspam won't care. When dspam is first run the message is scanned to create tags that all belong to a unique id. The tags determine spam or ham and dspam marks it as such along with embedding the id in the header or body. To train on a false-pos or false-neg dspam only really needs the id and the right command line switch. So, it doesn't matter if you forward it as long as that id is in there. Each qmail-alias is set to run dspam with the 'oops, spam' or 'oops, ham' switch and dspam learns from its mistake. To make things really slick only 1 qmail-alias is needed. Simply scan the header for the prior dspam classification and pipe it back to dspam with the correct switch...;) -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Firdaus Tjahyadi wrote: On 10/27/06, *Eric Shubes* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going on this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box? I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers. Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is going to hook into the process. hi eric feel free to contact me as volunteer for Mandriva 2007 i've running Mandriva 2007 + Qmailtoaster for my running and backup server i'm glad to try simscan + Dspam for my backup server regards Thanks, Firdaus. We'll let you know if/when the time comes. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Eric Shubes wrote: I suppose that answers anyother question, which AV? I'm think that we'll want to change as little as possible of the toaster configuration. Why Vexira instead of ClamAV (which is plugged into simscan)? I setup Vexira before ClamAV got added to the toaster. Also, is there some reason you've plugged RBL into Vexira instead of using the blacklists control file? Using the blacklists file would block the message at the smtp session, before it's even transmitted. I think that would save you some bandwidth and processing. Vexira is a smtp proxy in front of qmail so there is no reason to use qmail's blacklist control file. Vexira dumps spam just fine using the RBL. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Eric Shubes wrote: the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts). This was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one. Hey Lee, what do you know about this problem? (Please see Rangi's earlier post) Did you come across this problem? Solution? I ignored the admin cgi scripts since I only used IMAP folders for training...much easier than another website to click around for my users. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW Vexira? with which conf, 2 qmails and vams between them ? Internet Vexira Qmail God save simscan :-P I will have to check that out. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster
Hey Lee, With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way. If so care to share? -Original Message- From: Lee R. Copp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2006 10:53 a.m. To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster Eric Shubes wrote: the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts). This was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one. Hey Lee, what do you know about this problem? (Please see Rangi's earlier post) Did you come across this problem? Solution? I ignored the admin cgi scripts since I only used IMAP folders for training...much easier than another website to click around for my users. -- Lee R. Copp Project Engineer (EE/ME) http://www.michsci.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.18/506 - Release Date: 30/10/2006 - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
On 10/27/06, Eric Shubes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great.I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going onthis. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box?I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers.Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is going to hook into the process. hi eric feel free to contact me as volunteer for Mandriva 2007 i've running Mandriva 2007 + Qmailtoaster for my running and backup server i'm glad to try simscan + Dspam for my backup server regards
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Hi all I'm a volunteer to test dsmap on qmail toaster on a Mandriva2006 test system and send feedback to list/wiki. Craig Smith wrote: Hi Guys, I mentioned this to my boss yesterday highlighting that it is potentially better than SA and after reading the FAQ it certainly seems that way. They are fairly reluctant to change anything at this point, but I'm all for it. If I can help I will, it might be a good idea to collate all information that we can find in relation to dspam and qmail and simscan. There are already a few links on the list. Our SA currently is very effective, but I belief in improving where possible. Craig -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 October 2006 21:49 To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster Thanks Marco. We're (obviously) a long way from testing, but I'll let you know when we need you. Marco Cordeiro wrote: I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and send feedback to the list. I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but, I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it. Eric, fell free to contact me. []'s Marco Cordeiro -- Dr. Simone Marzona Clikkapuntocom via Castellana 45/a 33100 Udine tel. 0432 2428 804 fax. 0432 2428 999 http://www.clikka.com - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Lee R. Copp wrote: Did anyone check out my dspam toaster page? http://mail.michscimfd.com/dspam/ Its a bit dated but might provide some help...;) This is a fantastic start for us, Lee. I haven't gotten around to googling background for this project, but your site is a gold mine! A few questions: .) I notice that you started with toaster 1.2.3. What's the latest version you're running with DSpam? .) What kind of performance are you seeing with mysql as the database server? Will this be suitable for a high volume toaster? .) I see that DSpam is hooked in via maildrop. I presume this means that messages are never rejected during the smtp session, correct? Are rejection messages ever sent to the sender? I suppose not, but what is the use, really? (/I'm thinking to myself) .) Do you use any RBLs in conjunction with DSpam? If so, which ones? .) Do you have some automated method of creating the necessary .qmail, .qmail-default, and .mailfilter files automatically when creating a new domain/user (via qmailadmin or CLI)? Note, I would think that the .mailfilter file should maybe be in a /bin somewhere, linked to from each user (for ease of maintenance). .) Most importantly, are you volunteering to help us out on this project? ;) You've already done a very large part, but I'm wondering if you'll be available for at least consultation. Please help us, oh-Lee-one! :) Many thanks! -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Justice, I hope you've checked out Lee's site. Justice London wrote: I'll try to work on implementation today and hopefully have some sort of working test within the next week or two. I'll keep you guys informed. Justice London -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead spamassassin. I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change? I think a nice approach about this will be options. You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?) AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via trophie). This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P) - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM. When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin. But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan. I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???. -- Zsoft - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead spamassassin. I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change? I think a nice approach about this will be options. You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?) AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via trophie). This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P) I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM. When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin. But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan. I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???. After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out. I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at the user level, not at a domain or server level. I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster. I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs, If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as inaccurate. As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test results before making a call on this though. So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion. Anyone else? P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a good idea. I'll help how I can. I have a few free systems sitting around I'll try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time. Justice London -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead spamassassin. I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change? I think a nice approach about this will be options. You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?) AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via trophie). This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P) I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM. When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin. But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan. I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???. After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out. I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at the user level, not at a domain or server level. I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster. I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs, If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as inaccurate. As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test results before making a call on this though. So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion. Anyone else? P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
Great. I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going on this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box? I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers. Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is going to hook into the process. We'll need to look closely at simscan (I'm already on that email list). It'd be nice if we could keep simscan, and simply turn SA/DS on/off using simcontrol file. Just a thought. Also, I read something in the DS FAQs about easily integrating DSpam w/ clamav. I don't know anything about that yet. Justice London wrote: Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a good idea. I'll help how I can. I have a few free systems sitting around I'll try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time. Justice London -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead spamassassin. I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change? I think a nice approach about this will be options. You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?) AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via trophie). This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P) I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM. When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin. But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan. I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???. After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out. I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at the user level, not at a domain or server level. I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster. I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs, If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as inaccurate. As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test results before making a call on this though. So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion. Anyone else? P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and send feedback to the list. I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but, I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it. Eric, fell free to contact me. []'s Marco Cordeiro -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:59 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster Great. I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going on this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box? I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers. Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is going to hook into the process. We'll need to look closely at simscan (I'm already on that email list). It'd be nice if we could keep simscan, and simply turn SA/DS on/off using simcontrol file. Just a thought. Also, I read something in the DS FAQs about easily integrating DSpam w/ clamav. I don't know anything about that yet. Justice London wrote: Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a good idea. I'll help how I can. I have a few free systems sitting around I'll try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time. Justice London -Original Message- From: Eric Shubes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead spamassassin. I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change? I think a nice approach about this will be options. You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?) AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via trophie). This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P) I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM. When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin. But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan. I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???. After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out. I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at the user level, not at a domain or server level. I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster. I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs, If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as inaccurate. As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test results before making a call on this though. So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion. Anyone else? P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster / TMDA
On Oct 25, 2006, at 3:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P I'm not keen on DSPAM, as it appears to require too much work. I'm a big fan of TMDA. (tmda.net) whitelisting, that works. --- Antoine De Saint-Exupery True happiness comes from the joy of deeds well done, the zest of creating things new. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
