[QUAD-L] digital cameras
Hi gang- What types of digital cameras does anyone have? I'm looking for info on some. What brand, pixel count, Windows XP compatible, zoom, telephoto lens or not, and cost are the stats I'm looking for. Anybody's help/info would be appreciated. Thanks everyone- Angie
Re: [QUAD-L] Where Is Everyone?? ~ sweating
I was told sweating wasn't possible after having a spinal cord injury. Although, I'm told I do occasionally perspire below C1 C2. I never could break a sweat before my injury anyway, and my face still doesn't. I'm almost always cold. I've been to 94.9 several times. Being cold blooded sucks, especially when almost 9 months of the year are too chilly, cold, freezing, or below freezing to go outside. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most or all of you guys not perspire and have major sensitivity to adverse ambient temperature? Hey Brian, For my first 12 years I sweat constantly day/night summer and winter (I live in New Jersey) Then I had a Ryzodomy a surgical procedure to cut my nerves at T- 12 because of uncontrollable spasms. The spazams stopped and as a bounus so did my sweating. Now I don't sweat AT ALL. I can't stand a fan on my skin, it makes my skin "crawl" But that might due to my nifty new diagnosis- srynix. Bobbie
[QUAD-L] heritage
Hey everybody- I'm asking this in no way negatively. I was wondering what heritages everybody here, (who wants to share), is. I think it's interesting to learn about different cultures and the similarities and differences each have. That was always a neat part of Social Studies in school. I'm German, Irish, Polish, and Czechoslovakian, not Native American, but an American. Anybody else want to tell? : ) -Angie
Re: [QUAD-L] heritage
W- Any chance you're from the planet Mexamorph? I have roots there! -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/31/2006 2:29:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey everybody- I'm asking this in no way negatively. I was wondering what heritages everybody here, (who wants to share), is. I think it's interesting to learn about different cultures and the similarities and differences each have. That was always a neat part of Social Studies in school. I'm German, Irish, Polish, and Czechoslovakian, not Native American, but an American. Anybody else want to tell? : ) -Angie I'm from a different planet and on a mission to your planet to observe how well your planet takes care of their own. I'm sure that you understand.W
Re: [QUAD-L] heritage
Das war sehr nett! Danke, W. -Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dranke fur Sein so freundlich, Ich wunsche fur Sie und alle lhrem Planeten das sehr beste.WIn a message dated 7/31/2006 3:08:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: W, why are you so enigmatic? Nobody knows anything about you but you always have comments and advise. You're not a quad but you're on this list. I, for one, would like to know your story. I'm all German. Sandy
Re: [QUAD-L] Fw: The Tea Cup
We're not clay, Silas. I see how this could help regular people going through only emotional issues, not physical, though. -Angie Silas wrote: Sounds like me being pounded a slap and proded and poked! - Original Message - From: Cheryl Sizemore To: Silas ShelburneSent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:41 AMSubject: FW: The Tea Cup Love this story or not - you will not be able to have tea in a tea cup again without thinking of this.. There was a couple who took a trip toEngland to shop in a beautiful antique store to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary. They both liked antiques and pottery, and especially teacups. Spotting an exceptional cup, they asked "May we see that? We've never seen a cup quite so beautiful." As the lady handed it to them, suddenly the teacup spoke, "You don't understand. I have not always been a teacup. There was a time when I was just a lump of red clay. My master took me and rolled me pounded and patted me over and over and I yelled out, "Don't do that." "I don't like it!" "Let me alone," but he only smiled, and gently said; "Not yet!" Then. WHAM! I was placed on a spinning wheel and suddenly I was spun around and around and around. Stop it! I'm getting so dizzy! I'm going to be sick" I screamed. But the master only nodded and said, quietly; 'Not yet.' He spun me and poked and prodded and bent me out of shape to suit himself and then .. Then he put me in the oven. I never felt such heat. I yelled and knocked and pounded at the door. "Help! Get me out of here!" I could see him through the opening and I could read his lips as he shook his head from side to side, 'Not yet'. When I thought I couldn't bear it another minute, the door opened. He carefully took me out and put me on the shelf, and I began to cool. Oh, that felt so good! "Ah, this is much better," I thought. But, after I cooled he picked me up and he brushed and painted me all over. The fumes were horrible. I thought I would gag. 'Oh, please,Stop it, Stop, I cried. He only shook his head and said. 'Not yet!'. Then suddenly he put me back in to the oven. Only it was not like the first one. This was twice as hot and I just knew I would suffocate. I begged. I pleaded. I screamed. I cried. I was convinced I would never make it. I was ready to give up. Just then the door opened and he took me out and again placed me on the shelf, where I cooled and waited and waited, wondering "What's he going to do to me next?" >An hour later he handed me a mirror and said 'Look at yourself.' And I did. I said, "That's not me; that couldn't be me. It's beautiful. I'm beautiful!" Quietly he spoke: "I want you to remember, then,' he said, 'I know it hurt to be rolled and pounded and patted, but had I just left you alone, you'd have dried up. I know it made you dizzy to spin around on the wheel, but if I had stopped, you would have crumbled. I know it hurt and it was hot and disagreeable in the oven, but if I hadn't put you there, you would have cracked. I know the fumes were bad when I brushed and painted you all over, but if I hadn't done that, you never would have hardened. You would not have had any color in your life. If I hadn't put you back in that second oven, you wouldn't have survived for long because the hardness would not have held. Now you are a finished product. Now you are what I had in mind when I first began with you." The moral of this story is this: God knows what He's doing for each of us. He is the potter, and we are His clay. He will mold us and make us, and expose us to just enough pressures of just the right kinds that we may be made into a flawless piece of work to fulfill His good, pleasing and perfect will. So when life seems hard, and you are being pounded and patted and pushed almost beyond endurance; when your world seems to be spinning out of control; when you feel like you are in a fiery furnace of trials; when life seems to "stink", try this Brew a cup of your favorite tea in your prettiest tea cup, sit down and think on this story and then, have a little talk with the Potter.
[QUAD-L] Re: The Tea Cup
W- I'll bring the candles, incense, Ouija board, some abled hands, and a lighter. You bring the booze! We'll party like rock stars, and maybe contact a few from beyond! -Angie P.S. Too sensitive? You've got to be kidding! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/27/2006 9:33:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're not clay, Silas. I see how this could help regular people going through only emotional issues, not physical, though. -Angie Geez Angie, you are too sensitive. (lol)I want to party with you on New Year's... at the cemetery.What time does the party start?W
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: changing the subject line
Sorry, Dan. I wasn't trying to force anything on anyone, just discussing. I thought that's what people do, discus things. Seriously, I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind on religion. Whatever works for you, use it! BTW, if what Alan and I discus offends you, I suggest you don't read our posts. Avoid the topic, save yourself the aggravation. -Angie Danny Hearn wrote: ALAN AND THE SAME TO YOU AND ANGIE..THIS IS NOT AN ATHIEST ROOM, PLEASE QUIT PUSHING YOUR UNBELIEF IN GOD IN HERE, I FOR ONE KNOW THERE IS A GOD, BUT I'M NOT FORCING YOU TO READ ABOUT IT ON THE QUAD LIST CONTINUALLY THANK YOU BOTH DAN ALAN LABARR [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i am not the born againer. so don't be asking or explaining religion to me. i am like angie. i did my time when i was young and i have my very own religion now. it has a congregation of one.alan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy "born again" to me means "please forgive all my previous sins - I REALLY want to go to heaven - not hell, or jail, and I certainly don't want anybody getting even for what I did"wow - I guess I am born again too.O'CIn a message dated 7/26/2006 1:30:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just explain that you can't be born again because born again christians get e/thing they want and your spine won't heal no matter what you believe or what BS healer you go to. I can't be born again because I believe in what jesus said about rich folks. Frankly the born again thing always comes across to me like the pyramid scheeme of christian cults. Beware false prophetsCareful of groups that already know who is going to heaven and hell and why.johnIn a message dated 7/25/2006 7:42:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i loved "dark shadows". i was a teenager from the farmlands and foothills of nj. stop laughing. i loved vampires and particularl barnabus collins. i am totally with you on the religious issue. one of my sons has a very hard time with me as he is born again. the voice activated works really well with you or you with it or together. ok, Angie. alan Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] Religion_Angie and others
Thanks, Lori. I appreciate the understanding, and agree with you about the subject. I think sex probably isn't discussed here, (and I know I'm fairly new to the list), cuz for the majority of us, (I'm guessing), it's pointless to go get some. No payoff. -Angie Lori Michaelson wrote: Angie,[and others] I have been on this list since 1995 and we have had numerous discussions on religion. They, of course, got into very heated debates. Anything with controversy stirs up people's emotions as we just saw with the stem cell example. Politics discussions have come and gone here just as rapidly. But they never fail to come around again at some point in time - the nature of the beast of mankind. They say [whoever THEY are] religion, politics and sex are topics to stay away from. The first two I can definitely understand but I think it would be more interesting to talk about the latter here!!! Maybe it is a rare occurrence for many members and that is the reason. It usually happens about once a year when religion is brought up. I remember one time that the posts went on for weeks and weeks. I always find it interesting to discuss religion and such but it causes such turmoil and nobody is going to change other people's beliefs so I've finally got over it. I most definitely understand where you're coming from but, as you can see, many-a-person's underwear gets into a tight wad even if it is a general statement. I have an older cousin [mid-50s] who was diagnosed with skin cancer about three years ago. His wife is always keeps people updated with his situation but every single one of her e-mails are saturated with God, God, God. I am glad that they can find solace in their vision of a god but it becomes very distasteful when it takes over the entire e-mail. I have to bite my tonge every time I receive one of her sickly sweet diatribes. What is more disturbing is that she never gives any of the doctors credit ... it is always God. One day, we wrote a response just to get it off our chest but we did not send the e-mail. Now, I just let it roll off my shoulders [sort of] but it is not easy. It is especially annoying to me that, before his diagnosis, they were never so blatantly religious. So, essentially, they have shown themselves to be emergency-room Christians. Common, but sad. Or sick. "I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief." -- Gerry Spence LoriC4/5 COMPLETE, 26 years postTucson, Arizona
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Several years ago the Sci-fi channel was running that series, and I watched it with my parents during dinner, we'd tape it in the morning. It's also available on DVD now. We got it for my mom. I was born, raised, and still in MN, so I'm not laughing, Alan! Several great and cool bands are from New Jersey, like Bruce! Plus, the Jersey Devil is intriguing. Your born again son must be difficult for you. I have some over-Christian relatives, and they used to be a pain! Now they don't bring anything up, especially since I've taken after my namesake. (To a point.) -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: i loved dark shadows. i was a teenager from the farmlands and foothills of nj. stop laughing. i loved vampires and particularl barnabus collins. i am totally with you on the religious issue. one of my sons has a very hard time with me as he is born again. the voice activated works really well with you or you with it or together. ok, Angie. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ALAN LABARR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Yeah, sure. Angie, is fine. I have voice activated software, so I dictate what I write. So I don't know about typing difficulties, sorry. Anybody that grew up in the 1960s remember the soap opera, Dark Shadows? That's where my mom got, Angelique, from. -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: i'm with you too, Angelique. can i call you Angie, cause your full name is hard for me too type. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody. It is nice to be able to converse with everyone here. Especially you gals! (Haven't had that since before my injury happened.) We are a minority, damn straight. Nothing against you fellas, I like guys and everything, but it's not as commonplace finding another chic in this condition. -Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
As a kid, I thought that, too. I didn't know any better! But I questioned at it at age 7. I don't remember what prompted that, I was still normal, and nothing major had happened to anybody I knew. But, after questioning it to myself in my head, I felt different that night at bedtime prayers. Like, abandoned. So, who knows what that was all about. Everybody's going to learn someday, right? Now, I just don't believe in any of that, at all. I believe it was all fabricated and twisted to control the population and get their money, way back when what I consider Christian Mythology, and the mythical Jesus were created by some rather clever entrepreneurs. Look how long their business has lasted. I want to take that business class!! -Angie Silas wrote: Angelique, Before my injury I really believed that there was a kind loving God, don't get me wrong I still pray but I get so angry I have trouble with keeping the faith. I can't believe that a loving God would make any of his so called children suffer through this every day, I don't see his reasoning at all! Silas - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ALAN LABARR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Several years ago the Sci-fi channel was running that series, and I watched it with my parents during dinner, we'd tape it in the morning. It's also available on DVD now. We got it for my mom. I was born, raised, and still in MN, so I'm not laughing, Alan! Several great and cool bands are from New Jersey, like Bruce! Plus, the Jersey Devil is intriguing. Your born again son must be difficult for you. I have some over-Christian relatives, and they used to be a pain! Now they don't bring anything up, especially since I've taken after my namesake. (To a point.) -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: i loved dark shadows. i was a teenager from the farmlands and foothills of nj. stop laughing. i loved vampires and particularl barnabus collins. i am totally with you on the religious issue. one of my sons has a very hard time with me as he is born again. the voice activated works really well with you or you with it or together. ok, Angie. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ALAN LABARR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Yeah, sure. Angie, is fine. I have voice activated software, so I dictate what I write. So I don't know about typing difficulties, sorry. Anybody that grew up in the 1960s remember the soap opera, Dark Shadows? That's where my mom got, Angelique, from. -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: i'm with you too, Angelique. can i call you Angie, cause your full name is hard for me too type. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody. It is nice to be able to converse with everyone here. Especially you gals! (Haven't had that since before my injury happened.) We are a minority, damn straight. Nothing against you fellas, I like guys and everything, but it's not as commonplace finding another chic in this condition. -Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Maybe. My parents, sister, and brother-in-law read the book. My maternal grandmother immediately said after hearing that they had, "You're going to hell!" She was serious. We all laughed hysterically. It's now a running joke, except to her! -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angie,I'll bet you loved or will love the DaVinci code.Mark,You would kill your child to keep him from going through sci? WOW!O'CIn a message dated 7/26/2006 12:30:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a kid, I thought that, too. I didn't know any better! But I questioned at it at age 7. I don't remember what prompted that, I was still normal, and nothing major had happened to anybody I knew. But, after questioning it to myself in my head, I felt different that night at bedtime prayers. Like, abandoned. So, who knows what that was all about. Everybody's going to learn someday, right? Now, I just don't believe in any of that, at all. I believe it was all fabricated and twisted to control the population and get their money, way back when what I consider Christian Mythology, and the mythical Jesus were created by some rather clever entrepreneurs. Look how long their business has lasted. I want to take that business class!! -Angie Silas wrote: > Angelique, > Before my injury I really believed that there was a kind loving God, don't > get me wrong I still pray but I get so angry I have trouble with keeping the > faith. I can't believe that a loving God would make any of his so called > children suffer through this every day, I don't see his reasoning at all! > Silas > > - Original Message - > From: "Angelique Novak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ALAN LABARR" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Quad List" quad-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy > > > Several years ago the Sci-fi channel was running that series, and I > > watched > > it with my parents during dinner, we'd tape it in the morning. It's also > > available on DVD now. We got it for my mom. > > I was born, raised, and still in MN, so I'm not laughing, Alan! > > Several > > great and cool bands are from New Jersey, like Bruce! Plus, the Jersey > > Devil is > > intriguing. > > Your born again son must be difficult for you. I have some > > over-Christian > > relatives, and they used to be a pain! Now they don't bring anything up, > > especially since I've taken after my namesake. (To a point.) > > -Angie > > > > ALAN LABARR wrote: > > > >> i loved "dark shadows". i was a teenager from the farmlands and > >> foothills > >> of nj. stop laughing. i loved vampires and particularl barnabus > >> collins. > >> i am totally with you on the religious issue. one of my sons has a very > >> hard time with me as he is born again. > >> > >> the voice activated works really well with you or you with it or > >> together. > >> ok, Angie. > >> > >> alan > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Angelique Novak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "ALAN LABARR" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: "Quad List" quad-list@eskimo.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:14 PM > >> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy > >> > >> > Yeah, sure. "Angie," is fine. I have voice activated software, so > >> > I > >> > dictate what I write. So I don't know about typing difficulties, > >> > sorry. > >> > Anybody that grew up in the 1960s remember the soap opera, "Dark > >> > Shadows?" > >> > That's where my mom got, "Angelique," from. > >> > -Angie > >> > > >> > ALAN LABARR wrote: > >> > > >> >> i'm with you too, Angelique. can i call you Angie, cause your full > >> >> name > >> >> is > >> >> hard for me too type. > >> >> > >> >> alan > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Angelique Novak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "Quad List" quad-list@eskimo.com> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:53 AM > >> >> Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my > >> >> > views > >> >> > on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with > >> >> > anybody. > >> >> > > >> >> > It is nice to be able to converse with everyone here. Especially > >> >> > you gals! (Haven't had that since before my injury happened.) We > >> >> > are > >> >> > a > >> >> > minority, damn straight. Nothing against you fellas, I like guys > >> >> > and > >> >> > everything, but it's not as commonplace finding another chic in this > >> >> > condition. > >> >> > -Angelique > >> >> > > > Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
I haven't seen that, but am familiar with Lewis Black. He's funny, if not too caffeinated! -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: ever see the HBO Special Red, White and Screwed by Lewis Black? He touches on this topic, Angie. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Silas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy As a kid, I thought that, too. I didn't know any better! But I questioned at it at age 7. I don't remember what prompted that, I was still normal, and nothing major had happened to anybody I knew. But, after questioning it to myself in my head, I felt different that night at bedtime prayers. Like, abandoned. So, who knows what that was all about. Everybody's going to learn someday, right? Now, I just don't believe in any of that, at all. I believe it was all fabricated and twisted to control the population and get their money, way back when what I consider Christian Mythology, and the mythical Jesus were created by some rather clever entrepreneurs. Look how long their business has lasted. I want to take that business class!! -Angie Silas wrote: Angelique, Before my injury I really believed that there was a kind loving God, don't get me wrong I still pray but I get so angry I have trouble with keeping the faith. I can't believe that a loving God would make any of his so called children suffer through this every day, I don't see his reasoning at all! Silas - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ALAN LABARR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
[QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody. It is nice to be able to converse with everyone here. Especially you gals! (Haven't had that since before my injury happened.) We are a minority, damn straight. Nothing against you fellas, I like guys and everything, but it's not as commonplace finding another chic in this condition. -Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Christianity. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/25/2006 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody. Which religion? There really are so many. I can think of atleast 15. Or did I miss a few?Each has their official position on various subjects. Which religiion?W
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Yeah, I can definitely see that idea; "...that religion is the root of all evil...Not the belief in God, but religion." Good point, but I still don't believe in, or believe that there's a god. Not the Christian's god, anyway. Not sure about the others. Kinda fun to think about what people use to believe in regarding gods and goddesses before Christianity came burning across the lands, condemning and destroying other ways of life and beliefs. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/25/2006 12:21:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your views aren't that strange.More people dead over religion than anything else.Mark And some people actually believe that religion is the root of all evil too.Not the belief in God, but religion. Verrry Interesting.W
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
The nut jobs that pervert there religion. -Angelique Tim Thompson wrote: Christ warned us about churches (organized religion), and there is nothing hateful in his teachings. Organized Religions Catholicism, Babtist, etc on the other hand do practice judgements based on Their Interpretations to justify themselves, not Christ. And call themselves Christian Institutions. To which do you infer are harmfull? Stunt On 7/25/06, Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christianity. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/25/2006 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody.Which religion? There really are so many. I can think of atleast 15. Or did I miss a few?Each has their official position on various subjects. Which religiion?W
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy
Yeah, sure. Angie, is fine. I have voice activated software, so I dictate what I write. So I don't know about typing difficulties, sorry. Anybody that grew up in the 1960s remember the soap opera, Dark Shadows? That's where my mom got, Angelique, from. -Angie ALAN LABARR wrote: i'm with you too, Angelique. can i call you Angie, cause your full name is hard for me too type. alan - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Angelique and Sandy Thanks Lori! I was surprised with the lack of responses to my views on religion, too. Not that I was trying to start anything with anybody. It is nice to be able to converse with everyone here. Especially you gals! (Haven't had that since before my injury happened.) We are a minority, damn straight. Nothing against you fellas, I like guys and everything, but it's not as commonplace finding another chic in this condition. -Angelique
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: [VENT-L] Fw: Fight the Stem Cell Veto! Please Forward!]
---BeginMessage--- - Forwarded Message - From: "Senator Tom Harkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:27:14 -0600 Subject: Fight the Stem Cell Veto! Please Forward! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please Forward This Message Dear Blane, Last weekend I asked you to help me enact my stem cell measure into law by calling your Senator and signing a petition to President Bush. With your hard work and the support of more than 70% of the American people we succeeded in the Senate, where a bipartisan 63 Senators voted for this life-saving proposal. For one short day millions of Americans who suffer from terrible disease and illness had hope. Wednesday morning, I faxed President Bush a petition with more than 2,000 of your signatures, urging him to sign HR 810 into law, and to give us hope for new therapies and cures. As you know, however, President Bush went ahead and vetoed that bill. Now it is time to fight back. We need to take our issue to the electorate. That's why I am helping to create a nationwide, grassroots effort to elect Senators and Representatives this November who will advance life-saving stem cell research and overturn the President's veto in the next Congress. I am asking you to join my stem cell research grassroots coalition and to invite everyone you know also to join. Please help me reach others who support stem research by forwarding my letter below to your friends and loved ones, and by posting to your online communities. Lets get the word out that we will not give up. Sincerely, Senator Tom Harkinwww.TomHarkin.com Tom Harkin Dear Friend, Six years ago, George W. Bush pledged to be "a uniter, not a divider." Now he has used his first-ever veto to kill HR 810, the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, which would have spurred life-saving research supported by more than 70 percent of the American people. His spokesman said that Mr. Bush considered this research to be "murder." Six years ago, Mr. Bush pledged to be a "compassionate conservative." Now, he has crushed the hopes of millions of Americans suffering from diabetes, cancer, Parkinson's, spinal-cord injuries, ALS and other conditions that might be cured by embryonic stem cell research. Repeatedly, the President says he believes in a "culture of life." On July 19, the United Nations announced that more than 14,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in just the first six months of this year. Is there no end to this President's hypocrisy, cynicism, and cruelty? Once again, Mr. Bush has embraced a rigid, narrow, ideological extreme a position that flies in the face of science, common sense, and compassion. Once again, he has shut out other points of view, including the pleas of former First Lady Nancy Reagan. Republican supporters of the stem cell bill requested an opportunity to talk to the President before his veto, and they were turned down. The morning of Bush's veto, I faxed a petition to the White House with more than 2,000 of your signatures, urging him to find it in his heart to let this life-saving legislation become law. That, too, was rejected. Let's be clear, nothing would have been more pro-life than signing this bill into law. We all know people friends and family members with diabetes, cancer, Parkinson's, ALS, and spinal-cord injuries. What could be more respectful of life than to use the scientific tools that God has given us to help and heal them? Instead, with one arrogant stroke
Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture
Of course he'd feel differently if his family or he needed embryonic stem cell research! But, he'd probably do it "top secret." Can't get a slap on the wrist with a ruler from the Pope that way. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/23/2006 2:33:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Intent" I wish, hope and pray that nothing bad happens to our standing president, his family or loved ones. But I wonder if the President would have acted any differently if a close family memberwas in need of precious cells. Would it have been a moral dilemma. Intent is just that.W
Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?
It's not a bad idea, Chet! I've said before, I'd donate my eggs to be made into embryos for embryonic stem cell research. -Angelique Chet Smith wrote: I was just thinking that it takes a Man and a Woman to Conceive a Child together so, why can't they take a Mans Sperm and Ladies Juice cause I don't know that much about Fluids of that nature. I just haven't put it on my list for learning it, even though I am a Father of two.Lets forget whats above and give you my reasoning for typing this. Why cant they take the two fluids that make a child from any Man and any Woman and use it to make the embryo's we need as Paras or Quads to help us walk again if it is possible. Cant they be produced outside the body of the Woman using what ever fluids needed to keep them alive in a Peatree Dish or another place where they would Thrive and Grow?It is probably a stupid idea that I come up with, but wanta to put out there in the e-mail chat to see what you all thought of my Idea. If it ain't such a dumb idea, then we can have people all over the U.S.A. helping us walk again and function as we once did that did walk at one time. Wouldn't be killing anyone by using that Method. People could donate there fluids and not have any obligations what so ever. Have the people not know where fluids went or who they were mixed with. Have a waiver to be signed to that fact... not need to know... The thing is would people go for it to help us?What do You Think ? Doesn't fix the Bill that we lost that the Dumb President Vetoed, but it's a Idea just the same..Chet ( Cquad7 ) Please no nasty remarks back to me. If it is a Dumb Idea just say that and leave it at that Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: FW: VOTE: Was Bush Right To Veto Stem Cell Funding Bill?]
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[QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Fw: Take Action: Showdown on Stem Cells this Tuesday!
People on life support that are in a coma, once had thought. Embryos don't even have a brain! There's a big difference! -Angelique Jim Lubin wrote: Blane, The difference is that "blocking" would be mean that they can not be used at all. The left-over embryos from IVF can be used by researcher as long as they are not using federal funds. Private funding and State funding is allowed. The state of California is funding $6 Billion for embryonic stem cell research alone. I've never thought of myself as part of the "Christian Right" as you say (I am a Roman Catholic) but agree with president Bush on this and I will explain way. I do belive that a human egg and human sperm make a human being from the time they are joined, from that point the zygote contains all the 46 chromosomes need to be human. It's called an embryo after about 10 days. Being a human, it is entitled to protection to life from the Government. Therefore, the Government should not be funding the destruction of life for the purpose of research. Now your opinion of when a human is a human and entitled to protection obviously differs from mine and president Bush. I'm against IVF treatments as well because it creates extra embryos in the process. As for using those extra embryos in research for the possible benefit of others, just because they are going to be destroyed anyway, following that reasoning, here's my problem with that. A person with a traumatic brain injury or in a coma being kept alive on ventilator will never be completely healed and will die without the life-support, so why not harvest their body parts to improve someone else's life? I see both equally wrong. At 06:48 PM 7/19/2006, Blane N Beckwith wrote: Russ, What the Hell is the difference? Isn't vetoing a bill that allows left-over embryos from invitrofertilization sp?> to be used for conducting stem cell research thats end result may be effective treatment for a variety of medical conditions, in essence "blocking" research? Perhaps "interfering with", "hampering", "interupting", or "impeding" may be more accurate terms. Anyway, aren't we splitting hairs here? The basic thrust of this topic seems to be another attempt by the Christian right (read Reich) who GW Bush represents, to impose their "values" on the rest of us, irregardless of who it hurts or impacts. Blane N. Beckwith On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:10:26 -0500 "Russ H. Drangeid" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: That's an important point to make. President Bush is making a decision not to allow use of stem cells from human embryos. He is not blocking research. Russ Drangeid, RCP Waite Park Store Manager Reliable Medical Supply, Inc. 440 Great Oak Drive Waite Park, MN 56387 Office: 320-259-5900 Fax: 320-259-5901 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jim Lubin [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:34 PM To: Nigel.. Brown; vent-users@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [VENT-L] Fw: Take Action: Showdown on Stem Cells this Tuesday! At 08:36 PM 7/17/2006, Nigel.. Brown wrote: I just see the bush administration blocking stem cell research thats all. Nigel, President Bush is not blocking stem cell research. He is not allowing US Government funding of stem cells derived from human embryos. The US Gov't is already funding stem cell research with adult stem cells. Private funding and several US states are funding embryonic stem cell research. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Please Help: Inkjet Toner Cartridge Recycling
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I've thought basically the same thing, only having his children, wife, or his church-whipped ass be paralyzed from a spinal cord injury at the levels C1 C2, so it results in a ventilator dependent quadriplegic body, (like mine), would be better. No death sentence in sight, ya see. That would probably change his mind! -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he just made it impossible to do stem cell research in a facility that accepts gov't funding. A little technicallity that makes 97% of the medical fasilities in the US unavailable for this research.I hope he watches his children die of a slow debiltating disease that would have been curable in 5 years.johnIn a message dated 7/19/2006 11:44:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Bush did not kill research on stem cells, he just refused to fund it with taxpayers money. Like many other sickness and diseases, researchers continuing on with private donations and private fundraisers. Any person who wants to sit around and wait for the government to take action on important issues that they may benefit from I suggest is wasting their time. Most cures in this country have been discovered through RD of private companies in the perseverance of medical scientists and doctors funded by private donations.T. Houston C5 C6
Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed
Let's not forget that a embryo that becomes a fetus is really a parasite, feeding off the mother until delivery, if delivery happens. So embryos in a dish, are really just potential parasites. Use them! -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a womb its just a bacterial gue on the floor. john In a message dated 7/20/2006 3:34:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no, an individual sperm only contains 23 chromosomes need to be human. That is where I draw the line. It's a human when a human egg and human sperm combine to have the 46 chromosomes need to be human. It may seem ridiculous to you but It's basic biology. You apparently think it takes longer in the development cycle to be considered a human. At 11:48 AM 7/20/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we talk about the "potential" of 5-day old, 200 cell, unimplanted zygotes, then let's talk about the "potential" of an individual sperm. Isn't it the same potential? Where do you draw the line? It's really pretty ridiculous. It's time to use common sense. Those ready-for-destruction zygotes should be used, it's immoral not to. Sandy Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Please Help: Inkjet Toner Cartridge Recycling
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Partial birth abortions are something I'm not keen on, but the choice shouldn't be taken away. What's so great about human life? There's too many people alive already. Most of which are assholes. So what if embryos are made for parts? If they aren't yours, it shouldn't matter. That's my opinion. I'm no longer Christian, and getting rid of that bullshit was very liberating. -Angelique Tim Thompson wrote: The Stem Cell "Dilema" In my opinion, the deeper issue requires an insight into how an "Inch" keeps turning into the horror mile. Org "Roe vs Wade" was nothing more than lifting the restriction on abortion during the 1st tri-mester That inch was twisted into a "Constitutional Right" to the point of argueing for sucking the brains out of the skull just before birth. Approx 47,000,000 abortions have been committed, and a good portion of those were AFTER that 1st tri-mester. Org "Child Abuse" laws were about "real" abuse, now they've been taken so far as to punish parents who "ground" their brats, after every other form of "attitude adjustment" has been declared "child Abuse". Since mom can't wash out the mouth of her brat, society now is forced to endurelistening to teenagers AND CHILDREN who could make a sailor blush. There is no "Seperation of Church and State" clause in the 1st Amendment, however the part of "prohibiting free exercise thereof" is totaly ignored. Now its been twisted into prevention of "exercise thereof", declaring a public place can't allow it. Our modern "Indoctrination Centers" aka "Public Schools" have robbed an entire generation of the truth in favor of "Political Correctness". So a whole generation can't see how wrong those decisions are. For this reason, too many people don't have the knowledge required to see through sound bite news and political issues. Remember, the USA wouldn't exist w/o "Christianity", as "FREEDOM" in itself is derived from "Freedom of Choice", and our "Bill of Rights" got their seeds from such Christian philosophies including "Love thy Neighbor". Check for yourself at http://wwweadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm Now "Organized Religion" is a man made Idea, and that is a whole can of worms which divides and seperates instead of just following the basic principles. For that reason I consider myself a Christian, but I don't believe in organized religion. But I do see the possibility for abuse if the "Inch" is given regarding embryoninic research. This is based on the previous abuses, not my religious views. Today "disgaurded fetuses" tomorrow it could be embryo's created just for harvesting. Believe me, THAT is a real moral dilema. One where human life has no value. Stunt
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: VICOTRY in the Senate! Call the WHITE HOUSE NOW!!]
---BeginMessage--- July 18, 2006 Dear CAMR Friends, We have just achieved a major victory in the U.S. Senate! The Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, H.R. 810, passed by a vote of63 to 37. The next steps for the bill are expected to happen very quickly before Congress adjourns for the long August recess. You may have already heard in the news that the President might veto H.R. 810. We cannot let that happen. Please pick up your telephone and call the White House IMMEDIATELY with the message below. The White House Comment Line is 202-456-. If that number is busy, call the White House Switchboard at 202-456-1414. Your message to the President is: "Mr. President, I support H.R. 810 and ask that you sign it into law. Thank you. My name and address are (please fill in your name and full mailing address)." Thank you for all of your hard work that has brought us this far. In the coming days we will be sending you information about the vote in the Senate so that you can contact your Senators and thank them for their support or express disappointment if they voted against the bill. Sincerely, Sean Tipton,President To unsubscribe click here ---End Message---
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO NOW!]
---BeginMessage--- Dear CAMR Friends: As you know, President Bush has announced he will veto the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, H.R. 810. We expect that to happen today. Our friends in the House of Representatives will bring up H.R. 810 again in an attempt to override the President's veto. That override must pass the House by a 2/3 majority, so we need your help more now than ever to activate overwhelming support. Please pick up your telephone IMMEDIATELY and call your Representative with the following message: "Representative Kennedy, I support H.R. 810 and ask that you vote in favor of overriding the President's veto. My name and address are (fill in your name and address) and I expect a response. Thank you." The contact information for your Representative is: RepresentativeMark KennedyTelephone Number: (202) 225-2331 Thank you for your incredible help. We will keep you updated as events happen on H.R. 810. Sincerely, Sean Tipton PresidentTo unsubscribe click here ---End Message---
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you?
My vent stays on my chair, so wheeling down to the OR on the table thing and being transferred to the operating table, then being wheeled into recovery, and waiting for my parents and chair with my vent, all requires the hospital to provide a vent. It wasn't an issue 5-4 years ago, they had and used LP-10s, but since 2003, they don't. They actually look confused when I say, "I want an LP-10 vent. Do you have one?" They don't know what it is, and these are the RTs! It's frustrating. -Angelique Silas wrote: I don't go anywhere without my vent, why can't you use your own vent?Silas - Original Message ----- From: Angelique Novak To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Quad List Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you? Every surgery I've had in the last several years always has vent issues for recovery. I'm on an LP-10, 24/7. The hospitals don't even have them anymore! At least, that's what they tell me. They put me on "continuous flow" vents. I hate those! It's basically hyperventilating. I have my vent settings with me, but they don't jive with the PLV-1000 that they tried last time, or the other non LP-10 vents they've used. The RTs get a hair up their ass when I don't want their vents. -Angelique Age 25, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2 in 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This tough polio survivor lady self manages her care, and is now on the PLV-102 ventilator full time. She takes a hard fall while transferring with the help of her attendant. The femur bone is broken just above the knee. She describes it as the worst pain she has ever experienced. Emergency surgery is done to repair the broken femur. With considerable delay after surgery they finally let her sister and attendant in to see her. They are shocked. She is unconscious and struggling to supplement the hospital ventilator. Her sister and the attendant want to put her on her PLV-102 which is set up for her. There is a confrontation, and the recovery room personnel refuse to let them do it. They threaten them with being arrested if they try to switch the ventilators.The sister gets some quick legal advice, and is told exactly what to say to the hospital RTs. They back off, and she is put on her PLV-102 for the beginning of recovery. This should never have happened. All respiratory therapists and respiratory care nurses are not experienced with paralytic patient Control Mode ventilation. Sometimes they try to wean patients using Assist Mode without knowing enough about the patient. The slow rate and small volumes of Assist are not adequate ventilation for us. What might be a good idea is to have our vent settings written into our medical directory, and signed by the pulmonologist. Give the patient, our family and attendant some respectplease. Jerry Daniel
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you?
My vent stays on my chair, so wheeling down to the OR on the table thing and being transferred to the operating table, then being wheeled into recovery, and waiting for my parents and chair with my vent, all requires the hospital to provide a vent. It wasn't an issue 5-4 years ago, they had and used LP-10s, but since 2003, they don't. They actually look confused when I say, "I want an LP-10 vent. Do you have one?" They don't know what it is, and these are the RTs! It's frustrating. -Angelique Silas wrote: I don't go anywhere without my vent, why can't you use your own vent?Silas - Original Message - From:Angelique Novak To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Quad List Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you? Every surgery I've had in the last several years always has vent issues for recovery. I'm on an LP-10, 24/7. The hospitals don't even have them anymore! At least, that's what they tell me. They put me on "continuous flow" vents. I hate those! It's basically hyperventilating. I have my vent settings with me, but they don't jive with the PLV-1000 that they tried last time, or the other non LP-10 vents they've used. The RTs get a hair up their ass when I don't want their vents. -Angelique Age 25, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2 in 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This tough polio survivor lady self manages her care, and is now on the PLV-102 ventilator full time. She takes a hard fall while transferring with the help of her attendant. The femur bone is broken just above the knee. She describes it as the worst pain she has ever experienced. Emergency surgery is done to repair the broken femur. With considerable delay after surgery they finally let her sister and attendant in to see her. They are shocked. She is unconscious and struggling to supplement the hospital ventilator. Her sister and the attendant want to put her on her PLV-102 which is set up for her. There is a confrontation, and the recovery room personnel refuse to let them do it. They threaten them with being arrested if they try to switch the ventilators.The sister gets some quick legal advice, and is told exactly what to say to the hospital RTs. They back off, and she is put on her PLV-102 for the beginning of recovery. This should never have happened. All respiratory therapists and respiratory care nurses are not experienced with paralytic patient Control Mode ventilation. Sometimes they try to wean patients using Assist Mode without knowing enough about the patient. The slow rate and small volumes of Assist are not adequate ventilation for us. What might be a good idea is to have our vent settings written into our medical directory, and signed by the pulmonologist. Give the patient, our family and attendant some respectplease. Jerry Daniel
[QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you?
Jerry- I've always been that shy! Even before my injury. A teacher's nightmare, I questioned everything on a different level. My RT said something like that about the conversion stuff, when I told him what happened the last time I went in for a surgery. He was amazed that they didn't have LP-10s, and that they called is employer company to see if they could supply one. I was switched over to my vent that time for the surgery and recovery. That was a pain for my mom, she switched it over. I don't see why they didn't have at least 1 LP-10 somewhere in the entire hospital. They had just bought many PLV-100s, and the RTs had no idea how to program them yet! Fantastic for the few ventilator dependent people needing surgery, right? At least the RT wasn't pissy about that last time. But she was younger. The older ones are usually bitchy, especially when they see I use an LP-10. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angelique:You are so shy about expressing your feelings! Probably what was meant when they said your LP10 settings "don't jive" with the PLV-100, is that the inspiratory setting is a different unit. The LP vents use inspiratory time, and it's Liters per minute on the PLV-100. There is a table for conversion. Don't ask me why; they should use the same inunits.Jerry
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you?
I'll have to remember that, Sandy. I doubt they'll do it, though. They get defensive when they don't know something about what I request and/or need. That's always a joy. The next time I need a surgery, (hopefully not for a long, long time, the last one put me at number 24 or 25, I've lost track), I'll have a call made ahead of time to see if they'll do that. They're lazy. -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use an LP 10 too. When I go to the hospital I always use my own ventilator. The LP 10 is more a home ventilator and I'm not surprised most hospitals don't use them. I have asked the RTs at the hospital I use to be inserviced on home ventilators so they can always be prepared. They have done this. Sandy
Re: [QUAD-L] I Wonder Why
Hi guys- I think it could be possible in this lifetime for a cure to be figured out. The news about the rats was interesting, and changed my mind a bit. I had also given up hope on them figuring it out in time for my generation, (I'm 25, ventilator dependent and quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2 that happened 8/31/94), but I'm starting to think it could be possible. Although, I'm not counting on it. That's too difficult. I, too, believe that one day it will be a non life changing injury, (if the person survives it, of course), and will be curable. It better be! I have a 15 month old nephew, and I NEVER want this to happen to him or the siblings he'll eventually have!! http://users.aol.com/scsweb/ -Angelique RollinOn wrote: That was well put T Houston,I got caught up in the same thing especially the Dr. Huang in China which turned out to be a scam which is probably the same scam you mentioned.I don't see a cure for me but like you I sure hope our young will never have this experience.It is important to donate even just donating time to a local charitable foundation that deals with any disability helps so do what you can people even a little means a lot sometimes.We're having our annual Play Day at S.A.I.L.S(Spa Area Independent Living Services)coming up in August where we take disabled children and adults to the lake to Jet Ski, Swim, Games, Food, Prizes and even Scuba Diving Lessons.They come from Nursing Homes, Rehabs and their homes to visit and just get out and do something. We have lots of volunteers like Teen Challenge comes out and local churches cook, I wish we all could get together like this because it's really a great time. Mark ---Original Message--- From: tahouston Date: 07/16/06 19:01:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] I Wonder Why I was injured in May 1994. Exactly one year later I was attending seminars and discussions at the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago informing SCI patients about the possibilities of stem cell replacements and nerve regeneration. They had most of us believing that a cure was right around the corner. Chatter and high expectations filled the room. During that same year Christopher Reeve was injured and was very aggressive searching for a cure. Here we are 12 years later, Christopher Reeve is dead and the discussions in the seminars seem so repetitive. For years I followed all of medical magazines and journals concerning SCI, received newsletters from the Miami Project and donated as much money as I am allowed to on my budget. I have read stories about using shark cartilage in Tijuana Mexico to repair a spinal cord damage. The articles that I had subscribed to would track the progress of the injured who went under the knife. Supposedly a quad C5 C6 incomplete was able to use a walker six months after surgery and very minimal if any progress in the others. Then an article comes out a year later indicating that it was all a scam. I no longer can handle the highs and lows of new research. I figure that one day they will be a cure for SCI but not in my lifetime. Now the only time I will investigate an article about SCI cures is when they have progressed to human clinical trials. A friend of mine, T5-C6 paraplegic used to smile at me when I would call him or run to him with news about the latest SCI research. He told me only the newly injured revel over new research. We would all like to think our condition is only temporary but we lose valuable time living our lives hoping that a cure is right around the corner. I still attend trade shows and donate to many projects. There is hope for generations behind us. Legitimate clinical trials are 20 to 40 years away. Let us pray for a cure for the youth of our society. T. Houston C5 C6 complete - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] I Wonder Why Lately there have been several posts about stem cells that generated NO discussion. STEM CELLS GROW NERVES! It can change our life in our lifetime! I feel no passion, no fervor, no excitement from this group. There are more discussions about Walmart. I don't understand it. I just wonder why??? Sandy
Re: [QUAD-L] I Wonder Why
Good for you Sandy! I'm with ya! If Christianity wasn't holding everything back, there probably would've been a cure by now. I'm sure this will get some "interesting" feedback, but f*ck it! Christianity is the worst thing to happen to the human race. If Jesus existed, he was an alien, face it. Immaculate conception? Try alien abduction and implantation! The church always has been a business, and a front for "justifiable" murders. Hello, Spanish Inquisition. It always will be about money and control. The holy rollers have held medical science back long enough! Let stem cell research of any kind happen. I'd donate my eggs! As far as I'm concerned, being trapped inside your body, looking out from behind your eyes is hell! Besides, (if you believe Christian mythology), isn't saying, "I'm sorry," before dying, all it takes to still get passed the pearly gates, no matter how horrible a person you were? That's how I remember most church sermons going. So what's the big deal?! YES ON HR 810! -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I wish I was part of that conversation. It seems people have become numb since then. I have watched and waited for a long time... and nothing. I read about the work in China and thought "nope". Any time a scientist is secretive about his methods, it raises a red flag. But Johns Hopkins work is a completely new ball game. This is the first true research that could make a difference. This ain't no sham! So if I'm excited about it, f**k everyone else. I have hope in my lifetime. Sandy
[QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Could this happen to you?
Every surgery I've had in the last several years always has vent issues for recovery. I'm on an LP-10, 24/7. The hospitals don't even have them anymore! At least, that's what they tell me. They put me on "continuous flow" vents. I hate those! It's basically hyperventilating. I have my vent settings with me, but they don't jive with the PLV-1000 that they tried last time, or the other non LP-10 vents they've used. The RTs get a hair up their ass when I don't want their vents. -Angelique Age 25, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2 in 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This tough polio survivor lady self manages her care, and is now on the PLV-102 ventilator full time. She takes a hard fall while transferring with the help of her attendant. The femur bone is broken just above the knee. She describes it as the worst pain she has ever experienced. Emergency surgery is done to repair the broken femur. With considerable delay after surgery they finally let her sister and attendant in to see her. They are shocked. She is unconscious and struggling to supplement the hospital ventilator. Her sister and the attendant want to put her on her PLV-102 which is set up for her. There is a confrontation, and the recovery room personnel refuse to let them do it. They threaten them with being arrested if they try to switch the ventilators.The sister gets some quick legal advice, and is told exactly what to say to the hospital RTs. They back off, and she is put on her PLV-102 for the beginning of recovery. This should never have happened. All respiratory therapists and respiratory care nurses are not experienced with paralytic patient Control Mode ventilation. Sometimes they try to wean patients using Assist Mode without knowing enough about the patient. The slow rate and small volumes of Assist are not adequate ventilation for us. What might be a good idea is to have our vent settings written into our medical directory, and signed by the pulmonologist. Give the patient, our family and attendant some respectplease. Jerry Daniel
Re: [QUAD-L] Blame Game SCI Life
I blame the f*cker that hit me with his car for my status. Religion gets in the way of science, it's true. If there wasn't "moral conflicts" things would probably move along faster. You can still make the best of being quadriplegic, or in my case, ventilator dependent and quadriplegic, and still want to be "fixed." Wanting that doesn't mean every second is excruciating to handle, but the anguish does happen at times. I'm up for and wouldn't turn down improvements, even though I like my life, aside from the obvious problems and limitations. Problems and limitations we all have to deal with. If something comes along that makes those problems and limitations things we don't have to deal with, why not go for it? -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I blame no one. The difference is do you passively accept your plight or do you actively pursue avenues that could improve their life? Everyone is different. Some are content to accept the status quo no matter how unpleasant despite the potential improvements. Sandy
[QUAD-L] zaba
You're welcome, Alan. I found somebody from my past using it. -Angelique
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http://www.zabasearch.com/
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: Senate Vote is scheduled for TUESDAY on HR 810!!!!]
---BeginMessage--- July 15, 2006Dear CAMR Friends, The vote on the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, H.R. 810, is scheduled for Tuesday, July 18, 2006 in the United States Senate! Be sure to visit our website for breaking news and updates at www.camradvocacy.org. Our breaking news section will include an audio file of a CAMR radio spot featuring Michael J. Fox that will air over the weekend urging everyone to contact their Senators to support H.R. 810. We need a full court press on the entire Senate to get this bill passed. We can only do that with your help and we know you have what it takes to bring us to victory. Make it your goal today and this weekend to tell at least 5 friends and family members about the vote and help them call their Senators. This bill and this vote should be the first thing you mention when you talk to your neighbors, join your friends on the golf course, or visit with family. Please call the Senate with this message and have your friends and family do the same: I know a vote is scheduled for the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, H.R. 810, on Tuesday, July 18th. I urge you to vote yes. A yes vote on H.R. 810 is the only vote that I will consider a vote in favor of stem cell research that is pro-patient and pro-research. I request a response from the Senator. My name and address are (fill in the blank). Your Senators are available at: Senator Mark Dayton Telephone: (202) 224-3244 Senator Norm Coleman Telephone Field: (202) 224-5641 If you have friends and family in other states, you can look up their Senators at www.senate.gov. You can be connected to any Senate office by calling the Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121. Thank you for your continued dedication to help get this historic bill passed! Sincerely, Sean Tipton PresidentTo unsubscribe click here ---End Message---
Re: [QUAD-L] Question about UTIS and lab cultures for them
Drink 100% cranberry juice like every day for a while, then every other day forever. It works! I use an indwelling Foley catheter and haven't had a UTI in years since I started drinking this juice. -Angelique 25 years old, C1 C2 ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a SCI in 1994. Nearly 12 years post. Danny Hearn wrote: I have had some problems again lately with some kind of UTI---yesteday made my 3rd time to the doctors to get a lab culture to find out what type and how to treat it... the doctor keeps saying there is MORE than 2 organisms present so they can't find out how to treat if more than 2 are present..he told me to take levequin for some days and we will try another culture, the latest results will be ready by thursday or friday..Has anyone ever heard of this problem??? I'm getting very frustrated because we have planned a 5 day vacation for a year now and have bought some tickets and reservations.Of all the timing seems can happen at the VERY WORST of times..we have only been out of town one time before in 9 years post. thanks for any help or info anyone mey have.Dan 9years post about 6 years with supra-pubic indwelling catheter.
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: WE EXPECT A VOTE ANY DAY ON HR 810 AND NEED YOUR HELP ASAP!]
---BeginMessage--- Dear Friends, We have learned that the Senate debate and vote on the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, H.R. 810, may occur as early as the latter part of this week. This is the moment we have been waiting for since the bill passed the House of Representatives on May, 24, 2005. This is our one and only chance to get the bill passed by the Senate and we need you to act NOW! Shortly before the Fourth of July recess, Senator Frist successfully obtained what is called unanimous consent from his Senate colleagues to move forward with a vote on a package of bills that includes H.R. 810. The other bills in the package are the Alternative Pluripotent Stem Cell Therapies Enhancement Act, S. 2754, and the Fetus Farming Prohibition Act of 2006, S. 3504. Under the agreement, amendments will not be permitted and each bill will have a separate vote and will need at least 60 votes to pass. Our friends in the Senate tell us to expect to be prepared for a vote any day. We will not be taking a position on the other two bills; our goal is to get H.R. 810 passed. We do not believe the other bills change anything or allow for anything new. We estimate that both other bills will pass overwhelmingly. It is a vote for H.R. 810, and this bill alone, that will move stem cell research forward in our country. ALL correspondence to and discussion with the Senate must be clear that a vote in favor of H.R. 810 is the only pro-patient, pro-cure, pro-research vote that Senators can take. We all must be consistent with our message that Senators VOTE FOR H.R. 810 and that a vote for the other bills will absolutely NOT be sufficient. Some Senators will try to hide behind the other bills and claim that they are pro-stem cell research. We cannot allow them to do that. We all must emphasize that a Senator's votes will only be acceptable if she or he VOTES FOR H.R. 810, and that a vote against H.R. 810 is a vote against 100 million patients and against moving forward with research. ACTION PLAN CHECK LIST Please do as many of the following as you can: ACTION #1 Pick up the telephone NOW and call your Senators urging them to vote in favor of H.R. 810. Call your senators at the following numbers and share with them the message below: Senator Mark Dayton Telephone #: (202) 224-3244 Senator Norm Coleman Telephone #: (202) 224-5641 Message: I strongly support the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act (H.R. 810) and ask that you vote in favor of it. Only a vote in favor of H.R. 810 is a vote in favor of moving stem cell research forward in our county. Please work to pass H.R. 810 immediately. ACTION #2 Send a letter in support of H.R. 810 to your Senators. These letters must be sent via fax or hand-delivery AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Don't worry about personalizing the letter if that will hold you up - just send our suggested letter with your name and address! Our supporters will use them as they make the case for the bill, and those who are not yet with us need to hear from each of you. Suggested Letter: Dear Senator, I strongly support the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act (H.R. 810) and ask that you vote in favor of it. Only a vote in favor of H.R. 810 is a vote in favor of moving stem cell research forward in our county. A vote against H.R. 810 is a vote against 100 million patients and against progress for research. I will not accept your vote for any other bill as support for stem cell research. H.R. 810 is the only bill that is pro-patient, pro-cure, and pro-research. Please work to pass H.R. 810 immediately. Sincerely, Your Name Address Fax your letters to: Senator Mark Dayton Fax #: (202) 228-2186 Senator Norm Coleman Fax #: (202) 224-1152 ACTION #3 Reach out to your family, friends, and neighbors and urge them all to call, fax and email their Senators in support of H.R. 810. This is the time to pull out all the stops; we will not have another opportunity for a Senate vote on H.R. 810. ACTION #4 Make in-person appointments with the staff of Senators who are not cosponsors of H.R. 810 to make the case in support of the bill. This will be most feasible if you live in the Washington, DC area, but if you are based outside of DC and plan to come to town for meetings on stem cell research, NOW is the time. The following is a list of the cosponsors of the Senate version of H.R. 810. If you do NOT see your Senators name on this list, then please work as hard as you can to make contact with that office. SUPPORTERS of H.R. 810: Akaka, Daniel K. [HI] Baucus, Max [MT] Bayh, Evan [IN] Bingaman, Jeff [NM] Boxer, Barbara [CA] Cantwell, Maria [WA] Carper, Thomas R. [DE] Chafee, Lincoln [RI] Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] Collins, Susan M. [ME] Dayton, Mark [MN] Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] Durbin, Richard [IL] Feingold, Russell D. [WI] Feinstein, Dianne [CA] Harkin, Tom [IA] Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] Inouye, Daniel K. [HI] Jeffords, James M. [VT] Johnson, Tim [SD] Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] Kerry, John F.
[QUAD-L] ventilator user census
http://www.post-polio.org/ivun/ivun_census.html
[QUAD-L] handle users
For those of you who use a handle for your name, what's your gender? -Angelique
[QUAD-L] Quality of Life and SCI ~~ Huh?
I would've rather, (by far), lived the life I feel was stolen from me by a negligent man. Being a normal adolescent would've been fun, I think, and was something I wanted to experience, among the other countless things. It was very difficult adjusting to this way of life, (at times I felt I was just existing), especially when I saw people my age living their lives. After a lot of emotional anguish for many years, (occasionally I hit a patch of that, still), I've finally somewhat accepted being damned. However, I make the best out of each day. It feels better to not dwell on everything that's wrong, missed, my future, etc. That's helped. Before my nephew was born, my mindset was very stagnant. I didn't care about living, and was completely ok with the thought of my death. Even though I've lived with my parents since the injury, (I was 13), and they have every intention of keeping me, (as long as they can, I've thought about when they won't be able to, they don't discuss that, but I have to think about it), times still got rough. Especially when I was in bed for four months with two pressure sores. That was terrible for all of us. My sister and brother-in-law's son has greatly increased my interest in living, and I want to stick around so he'll know me. Also, the man who introduced me to this list means just as much to me. We probably wouldn't have met if not for our SCI. Well, maybe. It wouldn't have been very likely, but you never know. Without my nephew, that wonderful man, and my family, I wouldn't care if I died. I probably wouldn't try keeping myself around. I still miss the life I should've had, but it's not all I think about anymore. Maybe someday they'll figure out how to fix us. For now, I've got reasons to stay. -Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Genealogy
Lori- I'm into genealogy, too. I haven't gone back anywhere close to you, though. Besides Ancestry.com, what online resources have you used? Sorry I took so long responding, I've been busy. -Angelique
[QUAD-L] [Fwd: stem cell]
---BeginMessage--- June 29, 2006 Dear CAMR Friends, This Fourth of July weekend is a time for celebration. Not only will we mark the history of our great nation, but today Senator Frist delivered news that makes us hopeful for the future as well. Just this afternoon, Senator Frist announced that the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act (H.R. 810) will be brought to the Senate floor for a vote this year. He successfully obtained what is called unanimous consent from his Senate colleagues to move forward with a vote on a package of bills that includes H.R. 810. The other bills in the package are the Alternative Pluripotent Stem Cell Therapies Enhancement Act, S. 2754, and the Fetus Farming Prohibition Act of 2006, S. 3504. Under the agreement, amendments will not be permitted and each bill will have a separate vote and will need at least 60 votes to pass. While a date has not been set, Senator Frist has now entered into a formal compact with all of his colleagues in the Senate that a vote will occur. We will not be taking a position on the other two bills; our goal is get H.R. 810 passed. While the other bills do not raise significant objections from the scientific community, it is important to stress that they should not be considered as substitutes for H.R. 810. It is a vote for H.R. 810, and this bill alone, that will move stem cell research forward in our country. Of course, we need your help now more than ever. Our fight in the Senate is not over until H.R. 810 passes with at least 60 votes. Please pick up the phone today to call your Senators and ask them to vote in favor of H.R. 810 when the Senate takes up the bill. Make them understand that you will not accept any substitutes or alternative bills and that the only vote you will accept is one in favor of H.R. 810. Call your senators at the following numbers and share with them the message below: Senator Mark Dayton Telephone #: (202) 224-3244 Senator Norm Coleman Telephone #: (202) 224-5641 Message: I strongly support the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act (H.R. 810) and ask that you vote in favor of it. Only a vote in favor of H.R. 810 is a vote in favor of moving stem cell research forward in our county. Please work to pass H.R. 810 soon with no amendments and no alternatives. While you are gathered with friends and family over the holiday weekend share this great news with them and urge everyone you know to join CAMR and to call their senators with this message. Thank you for doing your part to get H.R. 810 passed by the Senate. Thank you, Sean Tipton President ---End Message---
Re: [QUAD-L] Genealogy
Thanks, Lori. I'll try those. -Angelique Lori Michaelson wrote: ANYTHING pretty much. To post an inquiry ... i like ... http://genforum.genealogy.com/Others are ...http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/GenealogyHome.shtmlhttp://www.familysearch.org/http://www.cyndislist.com/lds.htmor just do a search on 'genealogy' or 'family history sites', etclori ---Original Message--- From: Angelique Novak Date: 07/06/06 10:11:45 To: Quad List Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Genealogy Lori- I'm into genealogy, too. I haven't gone back anywhere close to you,though. Besides Ancestry.com, what online resources have you used?Sorry I took so long responding, I've been busy.-Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Hi David- Thanks for the welcome. -Angelique "David K. Kelmer" wrote: Hi Angelique,Welcome to the Quad-List. This is a great place to share SCI related thoughts, ideas, problems, or just chat with others that know how you feel. Pull up a chair and join the conversation. With Love,?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 30 Years Post ?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Texas,USA Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
[QUAD-L] email problem
I tried to reply to you, Lori, but it was sent back to me. -Angelique
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Hi Rick- No, you're not the guy. How far is Newport from Andover? Thanks for the welcome. -Angelique Rick Caseltine wrote: Hi Angelique, I'm not sure if I was the guy who told someone else to give you the quad-list but somebody recently asked me for some info about quad/sci related stuff. I'm a c3-4 quad on a vent; 37 years old. 20 years post. I live in Newport, Minnesota. Welcome to the group. Rick --- Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[QUAD-L] Hello
Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
