RE: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
We all know that America can't go on like were going, but what is it going to take? We're going to self destruct very soon, why can't are government relies this and f**K*Ng do something? We drove to Knoxville yesterday to visit my son, you would not believe the traffic. We stopped at Ryan's to eat, it was packed I couldn't believe the plates of food people were filling and that was their first plate. I guess what I'm trying to say is this resetion hasn't slowed anybody down, it's like the blind leading the blind! Silas From: John S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:06 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. I don't think the answers are so terribly hard to find. If you consider that America is one of only a few industrialized nations that has an entrenched corporate welfare system. In theory, we pay corporations to do what our legislators believe to be right. This is similar to the fallacy of the unbounded center. Instead of giving money away for doing what is right, you simply elevate taxes on corporations that are doing things wrong. We do not increase taxes on companies that pollute. The very first thing our fearless leader did upon being elected by the supreme court was to eliminate the windfall profits tax. Why is anyone surprised at the price of gas. To increase gasoline prices the oil companies merely slow production, thereby doing less to make more money. Why don't we tax the porn industry. H, ok, that would cost politicians. The porn industry is a major political money source. Could you imagine a one year subscription to Hustler costing $500. The arguement that porn is free speech is absurd. If porn is free speech then there is no reason to have more than one issue as the message is just repeating itself. Everyone has the right to bear arms, but that doesn't mean certain guns shouldn't be heavily taxed. Would a 100% tax on alcohol hurt the nation? What? The poor have a right to poison themselves as fast as the wealthy. Why can't casinos pay a 75% tax on profits? We don't want to upset the mobsters that moved to the desert. We don't give tax breaks to companies that choose not to pollute, in fact, home builders that want to build houses that are off the grid are fined for not installing unnecessary electric and gas transmission lines. God forbid a house be built without a sewage hookup. I know I'm ranting but I do believe that we are only separated from a healthy economy by our obsession with the idea that all taxes are bad. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Seems like you agree with more than 80% of the country as the present, regarding the direction we are heading. Our country has been sold in parcels to the highest bidders, without regards to its effects on our economy. We are hemmorage our money, jobs and education to other countries who laugh at our misery. Just ask those who have returned from other countries. Our dollar has lost its value. Our dollar means everything to us for survival. Just ask any American. It wasn't always this way. I too pray for The Change. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/12/2008 9:23:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I pretty much don't agree with anything this administration is doing. Our country has had it's back turned on since we went to war. Our own people are hurting in a big way and our problems can't be resolved. Whomever becomes president has a big job on their hands and I know I wouldn't want that job for the world. We need to keep our noses out of other countries and focus on this one. _ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850 Money Finance. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FW: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
Exactly why I feel a candidate with domestic priorities is the choice for president. We know who that is. With the Republicans in office I've seen a determination of our infrastructure such as the disabled. Imagine Ronald Regan letting American Viet Nam Vets out of mental institutions to live on streets and prison. MB _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. So true, I agree. It seems we are always helping everybody else and forgetting about our own from right here. Dana _ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850 Finance.
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
I pretty much don't agree with anything this administration is doing. Our country has had it's back turned on since we went to war. Our own people are hurting in a big way and our problems can't be resolved. Whomever becomes president has a big job on their hands and I know I wouldn't want that job for the world. We need to keep our noses out of other countries and focus on this one. I agree with you about the payments. I didn't agree with when he gave out checks his first year as president and the tax cuts dont need to be going to the wealthy. Bush said it will basically trickle down but doesn't realize that a majority of the wealthy invest their extra money for their own benefit. If it wants tax cuts to go back into the economy then it needs to be given to people that are middle class because they are the ones that need the money and will most likely spend it and put it back into the economy. I have a huge concern about our future. I'd love to be able to know that I will be secure in the future but I just don't know if it will happen. Stacy - Original Message From: Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:26:48 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
Seems like you agree with more than 80% of the country as the present, regarding the direction we are heading. Our country has been sold in parcels to the highest bidders, without regards to its effects on our economy. We are hemmorage our money, jobs and education to other countries who laugh at our misery. Just ask those who have returned from other countries. Our dollar has lost its value. Our dollar means everything to us for survival. Just ask any American. It wasn't always this way. I too pray for The Change. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/12/2008 9:23:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I pretty much don't agree with anything this administration is doing. Our country has had it's back turned on since we went to war. Our own people are hurting in a big way and our problems can't be resolved. Whomever becomes president has a big job on their hands and I know I wouldn't want that job for the world. We need to keep our noses out of other countries and focus on this one. **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850)
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
I don't think the answers are so terribly hard to find. If you consider that America is one of only a few industrialized nations that has an entrenched corporate welfare system. In theory, we pay corporations to do what our legislators believe to be right. This is similar to the fallacy of the unbounded center. Instead of giving money away for doing what is right, you simply elevate taxes on corporations that are doing things wrong. We do not increase taxes on companies that pollute. The very first thing our fearless leader did upon being elected by the supreme court was to eliminate the windfall profits tax. Why is anyone surprised at the price of gas. To increase gasoline prices the oil companies merely slow production, thereby doing less to make more money. Why don't we tax the porn industry. H, ok, that would cost politicians. The porn industry is a major political money source. Could you imagine a one year subscription to Hustler costing $500. The arguement that porn is free speech is absurd. If porn is free speech then there is no reason to have more than one issue as the message is just repeating itself. Everyone has the right to bear arms, but that doesn't mean certain guns shouldn't be heavily taxed. Would a 100% tax on alcohol hurt the nation? What? The poor have a right to poison themselves as fast as the wealthy. Why can't casinos pay a 75% tax on profits? We don't want to upset the mobsters that moved to the desert. We don't give tax breaks to companies that choose not to pollute, in fact, home builders that want to build houses that are off the grid are fined for not installing unnecessary electric and gas transmission lines. God forbid a house be built without a sewage hookup. I know I'm ranting but I do believe that we are only separated from a healthy economy by our obsession with the idea that all taxes are bad. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Seems like you agree with more than 80% of the country as the present, regarding the direction we are heading. Our country has been sold in parcels to the highest bidders, without regards to its effects on our economy. We are hemmorage our money, jobs and education to other countries who laugh at our misery. Just ask those who have returned from other countries. Our dollar has lost its value. Our dollar means everything to us for survival. Just ask any American. It wasn't always this way. I too pray for The Change. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/12/2008 9:23:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I pretty much don't agree with anything this administration is doing. Our country has had it's back turned on since we went to war. Our own people are hurting in a big way and our problems can't be resolved. Whomever becomes president has a big job on their hands and I know I wouldn't want that job for the world. We need to keep our noses out of other countries and focus on this one. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
One reason why politics isn't discussed that much on here is because people definitely get downright upset when the real arguments start. It ends up driving some people off the list. Every now and then it's okay, but during the last election cycle it was unbelievable. This particular thread has been somewhat benign, but wait until someone gets on here and bashes the views of the majority of people on this list. I encourage everyone that is upset about the cost of this war to share that view with your congressperson and Senator. If this war ended tomorrow, which is definitely not going to happen, it would still end up costing us billions of dollars a year. How? The disabled veterans and those with psychological impairment. As someone said, we are a debtor nation and right now our present has been mortgaged to our grandchildren's children. A tax cut, which interestingly enough Senator McCain rightfully rejected initially, during a time of war. Never in our history have we been that asinine. The gap between the really rich and the poor has only increased. The trickle down theory was disproved a long time ago, I don't know why people still tend to believe it still works. Just my two cents. Quadius On 4/11/08, Tod E. Santee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Danny! From what I understand the typical pork barrel spending (i.e. earmarks) are a miniscule part of Congressional spending. The majority of it is currently war spending and regular budgeting that's been necessary for running our country--which includes all the interest we paid to other countries to which were in debt. As for what we spend in Iraq, I understand we spend the same amount there in 3 weeks as we've spent in all six years in Afghanistan, a country that really was involved in 9/11. (I love talking politics and I've been surprised not to see much of it here. It used to get quite heated when I was here before.) Best regards, Tod Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H.
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
So true, I agree. It seems we are always helping everybody else and forgetting about our own from right here. Dana **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850)
[QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H.
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
Hey Danny! From what I understand the typical pork barrel spending (i.e. earmarks) are a miniscule part of Congressional spending. The majority of it is currently war spending and regular budgeting that's been necessary for running our country--which includes all the interest we paid to other countries to which were in debt. As for what we spend in Iraq, I understand we spend the same amount there in 3 weeks as we've spent in all six years in Afghanistan, a country that really was involved in 9/11. (I love talking politics and I've been surprised not to see much of it here. It used to get quite heated when I was here before.) Best regards, Tod Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H.
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
We have become a debit nation. It won't change tomorrow or the next day either. Ten years from now we as a nation will still be paying for our actions of yesterday... and then some. Your elected officials have spoken for you and your future and the future of your children. When you read that in some areas of the USA, only 25 to less than 50% of those who start high school ... will finish it. 10 years from now we will have a population with nose rings and tatts and lead around like a herd of elephants. And the world will be happy. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/11/2008 1:27:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H. **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316)
Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
Speaking of money? the recent write-down by Citibank of 12 Billion is an effort to clear off junk from their balance sheets so they can get back to banking business stuff.? Their balance sheet has a total of 2.2 Trillion dollars on it so 12 billion represents 1/2 of one percent of their balance sheet.? So far we are approaching the 500 Billion dollar mark of money spent on the Iraqi war in the past 6 years.? Pretty amazing numbers huh?.? AZDAVE -Original Message- From: Tod E. Santee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:41 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Hey Danny! From what I understand the typical pork barrel spending (i.e. earmarks) are a miniscule part of Congressional spending. The majority of it is currently war spending and regular budgeting that's been necessary for running our country--which includes all the interest we paid to other countries to which were in debt. As for what we spend in Iraq, I understand we spend the same amount there in 3 weeks as we've spent in all six years in Afghanistan, a country that really was involved in 9/11. (I love talking politics and I've been surprised not to see much of it here. It used to get quite heated when I was here before.) Best regards, Tod Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H.
RE: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
If America was a company we'd fire the CEO! It's not just the Iraq war, do you know how much money each year on the War on drugs? It's close to a 20 billion dollar budget a year spent on drug control. They're doing a great job too, drugs are more readily available and cheaper than ever! Before we went to war in Afghanistan Heroin was barely heard of there but since then they are now selling 80% of all Heroin in the world. Sounds kind of fishy to me, but the war on drugs sounds very profitable on both sides now. Did you know that marijuana is now the leading cash crop in America? I better stop I could on and on about this crap! You should watch a movie called Cocaine Cowboys and see how the government really fights the war on drugs. Niether the war in Iraq or the war on drugs are what they said they were for and anyone that says they are have fallen for the bait. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:27 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM
RE: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost.
I was also watching the news and found out that we are spending halk a billion dollars a week on guess what? Gasoline to power our Army that defends Iraq by Iraq. The part that really pissed me off was that the Iraqi people only pay around $1.25 a gallon but they charge the good ol USA over $3.00 a gallon! I'm tired of this War, I say pull them out immediately because some things you'll never change. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:27 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] America's Defecit and Also the IRAQ war cost. Hey everyone, I was watching some program last night that said we are spending 5,000 dollars every second 7 days a week on the IRAQ war. In addition to that ---the American defecit is costing about a Million Dollars a Minute JUST FOR THE INTEREST PAYMENT ONLY !Why can't our government cut back for a while and PAY down some on that defecit so a large part of our tax money don't go to DEFECIT INTEREST payments ?? Man if we ran OUR households in this way-we would all be bankrupt. It's really sad the shape we are getting into- We all must balance our checkbooks or be homeless Do any of you think or worry about our future with the needless pork and waste our congress keeps approving??? I know I do. Dan H. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM
