Re: [qubes-users] Install VPN in anon-whonix

2016-06-08 Thread Chris Laprise



On 06/08/2016 04:15 PM, asdfg...@sigaint.org wrote:

Hello
I read the guide on whonix site about how setup a VPN in workstation but
it is old and my VPN is a little different, it has a GUI interface but
also a setup for Open VPN (to work i have to use GUI). Do I setup like a
normal VPN in debian (network connection, import configuration,
certificate etc...) and change firewall?

Thank you


Mixing a VPN in the same VM as other tunnels or proxies is a more 
complex affair. Qubes proxy VMs allow us to do this kind of thing more 
cleanly.


So I recommend using a debian proxy VM. The doc Andrew linked to 
contains a firewall script I created with Whonix (and other apps) in 
mind. Its designed to fail closed (block traffic) if openvpn stops 
working, and to stop all leaks. The only thing in or out is tunneled 
traffic and related ICMP. Its designed for simple VPNs that tunnel all 
traffic upstream (i.e. no special subnet selections), so it'll work with 
most services.


There is a fancier version that creates systemd service and has a more 
explicit firewall setup, though its about the same protection:

https://github.com/ttasket/Qubes-vpn-support

What's more, you don't have to alter any template beyond installing 
openvpn to get this working.


OTOH, if you're looking for a solution for Network Manager, the doc 
shows you how but its without a firewall. I am looking into a way to 
make the firewall script work with NM.


Chris

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install clean template?

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-06-08 10:46, Albin Otterhäll wrote:
> How should I go about to install a clean template? When setting up
> a template for a specific domain, e.g. software development, it
> could be useful to have a clean slate.
> 

You can simply clone one of the default templates. If you've already
modified the default template you want to use, you can clone it, then
reinstall it from the repo.

Here are the instructions for reinstalling the Whonix templates, but
the same general procedure should apply to all templates:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/whonix/reinstall/

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[qubes-users] choosing 1 upgrade of the month

2016-06-08 Thread Tibor Veres
the ram may be cheaper than you expect if you're willing to accept used. I 
recently bought 6x4g ddr3 ecc on ebay for ~$45

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Re: [qubes-users] New initramfs won't stick

2016-06-08 Thread mpatton125
Thanks for the very quick reply! Yes I think you are correct. I will give it a 
go, passing the correct path for efi.

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Re: [qubes-users] [Fwd: qubes wont start anymore]

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-06-08 14:40, boromirsbe...@sigaint.org wrote:
> 
> I havent done much with my new qubes install so far, ive maybe 
> loaded it a few times to test it, now ive gone back on to
> configure bridges and it gives this error right after the boot menu
> and hangs:
> 
> usb 2-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 2-5: device not 
> accepting address 6, error -71
> 
> 
> Nothing changed on my system since i last used it.
> 
> 
> -
> 
> 
> I've found the bug causing this, qubes starts up into its timed 
> autoselect bootup menu under the assumption your disks will be
> fast enough to load the background processes before its timer runs
> up and it starts. By cancelling the timer and waiting a few more 
> seconds this will allow usb based qubes to load properly. Not that 
> anyone cares since no ones bothered to respond to this in the
> first place.
> 

Thank you for following up to report the solution. FWIW, I think it
was probably that no one knew the answer, not that no one cared. I,
for one, would never have guessed that this was the solution.

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Re: [qubes-users] Install VPN in anon-whonix

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-06-08 13:15, asdfg...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Hello I read the guide on whonix site about how setup a VPN in
> workstation but it is old and my VPN is a little different, it has
> a GUI interface but also a setup for Open VPN (to work i have to
> use GUI). Do I setup like a normal VPN in debian (network
> connection, import configuration, certificate etc...) and change
> firewall?
> 
> Thank you
> 

Take a look at our VPN documentation if you haven't already. It was
recently updated:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: VM CPU mapping - countermeasurements against covert channels via cpu caches?

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew
1093284'109438'019438'0914328'0913284'0913:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> could it be that with some real-time OS features, it will possible to splitt 
> the Cores of an CPU in two clean domains?
> 
> This would lead to a better latency performance for real time communication, 
> like skype and for some "air-gapped engines" inside Q.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 

I'm confused what you're trying to achieve: static scheduling of some
VMs on some cores, or the elimination of caches as potential inter-VM
covert channels.  Can you explain exactly what your goal is?

I have an idea: go read up on the relevant literature (which I am sure
exists in substantial volume), reformulate your goal if necessary, and
tell us what you learn.

Andrew

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Re: [qubes-users] DispVM available space

2016-06-08 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:37:39PM -0700, Connor Page wrote:
> I've noticed that there is no private image mounted in /rw in disposable vms.
> 1. What is the point of private image size setting in Qubes Manager then?

No point at all...

> 2. Is there an easy way to expand dvm storage without affecting it's template?
> 3. Am I missing something?
> 
> I need to load large files in dvm, check them and then move to another vm. 
> There is not enough RAM to use ramdisk.
> Any quick hints will be appreciated.

One idea is to add additional block device, even file based[*],
optionally encrypt it with ephemeral key and mount in that DispVM. Not
very convenient, but effective.

[*] In dom0:
truncate -s 10G /var/tmp/some-file.img
qvm-block --attach-file dispN dom0:/var/tmp/some-file.img
rm /var/tmp/some-file.img

The actual space will be automatically released as soon as you shutdown
the DispVM.

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Re: [qubes-users] If using the same Whonix GW, does all Wonix WS get the same "identity"?

2016-06-08 Thread entr0py
Andrew David Wong:
> On 2016-06-08 00:14, Albin Otterhäll wrote:
>> I'm assuming that if you connect to Tor using the same Whonix
>> gateway (e.g. "sys-whonix"), you get the same "identity" (IP, etc.)
>> on both your workstations. Is this correct?
> 
> 
> Not entirely. By default, stream isolation applies to different
> workstations and to any supported apps in those workstations. This
> means that every VM connected to sys-whonix will (and every supported
> app in those VMs) will use a different circuit through the Tor
> network, hence a different exit node, hence have a different IP address.
> 
> However, there are still side-channel attacks that can be used to
> correlate multiple workstations running on the same host (stressing
> hardware and observing the effects in all workstations, clock skew,
> network timings, etc.).
> 
> Details:
> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Multiple_Whonix-Workstations
> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Stream_Isolation
> 
> 

What Andrew said. Some nitpicking:

There is no guarantee that you will have a different exit node (or even a 
different circuit). It's random so you might wind up with the same but not 
intentionally.

Also, Tor Browser has stream isolation features of its own, such as separate 
circuits per tab and new circuits after a set time interval.

Finally, non-stream-isolated (meaning non-tor-proxified) apps in the *same* 
workstation will share the same circuit since they will route through 
Whonix-Gateway's Transparent Proxy Port (TransPort). The TransPort can be 
disabled to prevent this. (Instructions in Andrew's links).

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[qubes-users] How to install clean template?

2016-06-08 Thread Albin Otterhäll
How should I go about to install a clean template? When setting up a
template for a specific domain, e.g. software development, it could be
useful to have a clean slate.

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Re: [qubes-users] Proxify VM

2016-06-08 Thread Jeremy Lator
Yes, sys-firewall could be a problemI can use JonDo in another dedicated 
proxyVM above 
sys-firewallnetVM--sys-firewall--proxyVM1(withJondo)--proxyVM2(vpn)From:
 Chris Laprise tas...@openmailbox.orgSent: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 01:35:24To: 
Jeremy Lator jeremyla...@rediffmail.com, Andrew David Wong 
a...@qubes-os.org, qubes-users@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: 
[qubes-users] Proxify VMOn 06/06/2016 06:11 AM, Jeremy Lator wrote: 
Shortly I have JonDo in the first VM and a VPN in the second VM. I want 
that the VPN detect socks of JonDo during the connection MyISP -- 
JonDo -- Firewall -- VPN--  
internet   \  
/ \ / \/ 
  \ /
   | 
| |   
 |sys-net
  sys-firewall  proxyVM  appVMSo 
internet is really an appvm with your browser?Then your diagram 
implies that you want to use vpn software (i.e.openvpn) through jondo. That 
would mean configuring openvpn to access asocks proxy. I think jondo was 
created to have the browser (and otherapps) access the socks proxy, but if you 
really want it this way openvpncan support socks proxies. Check this 
out:https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/hide-openvpn-traffic-with-ssh-tunnel/Having
 sys-firewall there might be a problem. Thats because you have toput the 
address of the jondo vm (seen as the gateway address in thedownstream 
vm) in the openvpn config.Chris

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS' mailing lists now available via Gmane!

2016-06-08 Thread J. Eppler
 Hello, 

that is nice, but do you have the links to the page?

Best regards
 J. Eppler

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Re: [qubes-users] SD card goes attached to Dom0 rather than sys-usb

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-06-08 08:36, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2016-06-08 08:21, Franz wrote:
>> Hello,
> 
>> I noted that when I insert a SD card into the corresponding slot
>> of my Lenovo x230, it is automatically attached to Dom0 rather
>> then sys-usb (default configuration). Well I use the SD card only
>> for my Nikon camera and I have no reason to trust Nikon less then
>> Lenovo, so no problem for me, but wonder if this is expected
>> behaviour.
> 
>> Best Fran
> 
> 
> It's probably that the associated hardware device is not assigned
> to any domU (e.g., your USB qube, if you use one). On my ThinkPad,
> the device is labeled "PCI Express Card Reader." Assigning it to my
> USB qube results in any inserted SD card showing up in the USB
> qube.
> 

Issue for implementing an option to have this performed for the user
when the USB qube is first created:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2055

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[qubes-users] inter-vm traffic cant ping windows 10 hvm

2016-06-08 Thread moritzbrunner2000
Hello,
I tried to connect my windows 10 hvm, which firewall is disabled, with my 
fedora appvm, but I can't connect/ping it.I tried the same with 2 fedora vm's 
and it worked properly...
Thank you for helping in advance

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Re: [qubes-users] If using the same Whonix GW, does all Wonix WS get the same "identity"?

2016-06-08 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-06-08 00:14, Albin Otterhäll wrote:
> I'm assuming that if you connect to Tor using the same Whonix
> gateway (e.g. "sys-whonix"), you get the same "identity" (IP, etc.)
> on both your workstations. Is this correct?
> 

Not entirely. By default, stream isolation applies to different
workstations and to any supported apps in those workstations. This
means that every VM connected to sys-whonix will (and every supported
app in those VMs) will use a different circuit through the Tor
network, hence a different exit node, hence have a different IP address.

However, there are still side-channel attacks that can be used to
correlate multiple workstations running on the same host (stressing
hardware and observing the effects in all workstations, clock skew,
network timings, etc.).

Details:
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Multiple_Whonix-Workstations
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Stream_Isolation

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[qubes-users] choosing 1 upgrade of the month

2016-06-08 Thread dinnerateight
I know SSD is recommded running up front and I have a good one on a pretty decent xeon dell with 8gig ram..the processor doesn't show overload ever, the ram doesn't get hit hard..but with 2 maybe 3 qubes running and taking into consideration it shares one router to the modem with 2 other machines...I'm beginning to think that any slow downs are happening because one or the other machines is clogging up the router...and while the qubes arch keeps this separated when these machines are all plugged into the same router it's like they are in there having a secrets telling party...

well, i was going to get a solid wd black, or max out on the ssd (these are going in the workstation as qubes is being worked on in the laptop...they have the same specs just the workstation is got more juice..i mean basically the same)..

 

the question is..do I complete the endless goal of [ a. getting the 2nd (and which one) NIC and cause the workstation to arbitrate as THE router and keeping things separated correctly maybe by pfsense and friends..almost get how that is to be implemented and am priviting OPNsense to get involved more..they asked me what I wanted them to do all I had said was give me an .iso so I can make the VM... and is that probably why my Qubes which is coming along joanna gonna get a nobel medal...

 

or, am I wrong in that and so A) max the ram from 8 to 16 (it's costly as I would want to keep up the ECC), or B) go ahead now and get what I will need eventually too expensive a 4GB WD black as I have to match another 4GB drive and raid may happen sometime.. or C) get I have plenty of HDD, 8gig ram seems like it's not the problem..and so all in on the SSD for the workstation ..the pro samsung 3d one is robust but my budget is the shits..

 

So, isolate these computers as bog downs seem to break through when I kill a process even though its not even in the Qubes machine..and if so how to properly do that...It may be as simple as correctly setting up the Dlink to qos or whatever to stop that interference. one day I swear I thought one computer was playing music that another one should have been although it was faded etc...

 

Or, for this month, get the ram maxed, or 1 of the 2 drives both I will need eventually...

Remember, this is because I can't find a good explanation for why I get really bogged except it seems to be because of competition for router..and failures in other computers which share the router...

 

I need to get this right as it's ready and getting more ready (qubes that is) and I want it to have a proper platform.

thanks

 

 

 



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Re: [qubes-users] New initramfs won't stick

2016-06-08 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 04:39:47AM -0700, mpatton...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there, 
> 
> My USB keyboard requires a kernel module that isn't contained within 
> initramfs by default (hid-logitech-hidpp).
> 
> I have added a new file to the dracut modules conf directory which contains:

Just to make sure: it should be in /etc/dracut.conf.d

> add_drivers+=" hid-logitech-hidpp "
> 
> After creating a new initramfs, I have checked the contents with lsinitrd and 
> the kernel module is there. 
> 
> However after I reboot, the keyboard still doesn't work at the LUKS decrypt 
> prompt.
> 
> When I check the initramfs again, the kernel module isn't there?
> 
> Do I have to do something else to make the change stick?

Do you boot in UEFI mode? In such a case, initramfs is on ESP, not /boot
directly. The path is /boot/efi/EFI/qubes/initramfs-KERNELVERSION, so
you need to pass this path to dracut when generating it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Everything is Tiny and Buggy in Display

2016-06-08 Thread Eva Star
Welcome. I also have the same experience with graphic artifacts and low 
graphic performance on GUI. I'm waiting for new Qubes 3.2 with new Fedora 
and Kernel. Hope new kernel 4.6+ will support my new graphic card. So, we 
are at the same boat.

I think RC of Qubes 3.2 will be available on next week...
 

> This graphic problem is literally the only issue preventing me from using 
> Qubes because it makes it unusable and after reading other threads, it 
> seems many other people are put off from Qubes due to graphic issues as well
>

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