Re: [qubes-users] Release date for qube os 4

2017-12-12 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2017-12-12 17:33, grv wrote:
> I see on https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/schedule/ that
> Dec 11 is the last date mentioned to decide if rc3 is final. Have
> we taken the decision?
> 

As far as I know, the decision has not yet been made. Either way, the
schedule will be updated soon.

> If I install rc3, would I be able to update to QubeOS 4 in place
> (without having to migrate my VMs manually) ?
> 

We'll announce this as soon as we can. We usually can't say
for certain whether an in-place upgrade will be possible until very
close to the stable release.

If we say that it'll be possible based on our current plans, and those
plans change, users may be inconvenienced (or worse). If we refrain
from changing our plans because we've already said that an in-place
upgrade will be possible, that limits our ability to improve the final
release while it's still in testing. We don't want to make promises
that we can't keep, but we also don't want to lock ourselves into a
path that turns out to be sub-optimal. That's why we wait to announce
things like this until we can be reasonably certain.

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Re: [qubes-users] [HOWTO] use 2nd drive partition as 'home' drive.

2017-12-12 Thread Connor Page
I’ll disagree with comparison of btrfs to lvm. there is a very significant 
difference between btrfs and lvm. btrfs is like a namespace and lvm volumes are 
block devices. one can put a namespace on a block device. but yes, layers and 
layers of metadata processing required.

BTW, has anyone started a btrfs driver for storage pools? I think it could very 
tricky if at all possible.

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[qubes-users] Release date for qube os 4

2017-12-12 Thread grv
I see on https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/schedule/ that Dec 11 is the 
last date mentioned to decide if rc3 is final. Have we taken the decision? 

If I install rc3, would I be able to update to QubeOS 4 in place (without 
having to migrate my VMs manually) ?

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[qubes-users] Re: Dumping BIOS

2017-12-12 Thread Yethal
W dniu wtorek, 12 grudnia 2017 15:44:42 UTC+1 użytkownik 
leonardo.p...@gmail.com napisał:
> Can anyone give me the instructions necessaries to dump the bios of my PC. So 
> that I’m sure while using Qubes that I’m safe?
> Best regards 
> Leonardo

How exactly would dumping the bios make sure you're safe?

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[qubes-users] HCL - Dell Precision M4600

2017-12-12 Thread readjust

SLAT support!

Suspend/resume works fine

WiFi and Ethernet work fine

Microphone works fine

Watching video is slightly choppy

Camera does NOT work (No camera found)

Does not shut down cleanly if I've started other VMS, but that is 
documented elsewhere, err probably not specific to this model.


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Re: [qubes-users] [HOWTO] use 2nd drive partition as 'home' drive.

2017-12-12 Thread Chris Laprise

On 12/12/2017 10:39 AM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:18:25 CET Connor Page wrote:

so in short, first create a qubes storage pool
qvm-pool --add

In the spirit of a “howto”, can you fill in the actual values to allow one to
add a second drive as the ‘private’ (home) partition *only* of a Qube?


  

if you go for a thin pool, create it first and use volume group and thin
pool names as options for qvm-pool.

As the storage pools doc is missing readability, I have to say I have no
clue what a “thin pool” is.
What a “volume group” is.


Adding LVM objects can get convoluted. A thin pool is like a collection 
of disk partitions that can easily grow and shrink as data is 
added/removed; its a bit like a filesystem. The (supposed) advantage 
over using an actual filesystem to hold disk images is speed; for 
complex volume setups typical on servers, its also more flexible.


Overview and howto for LVM:

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/logical_volume_manager_administration/lvm_definition

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/logical_volume_manager_administration/lv_overview#thinprovisioned_volumes


But if you use the file driver instead of LVM you won't need the above 
and setup will be simplified (see last).




Last, how does one create a btrfs filesystem on their “home” drive when using
this pool concept?


If you want btrfs for the private volume, you can probably just 
'qvm-block attach' the volume (see output of 'qvm-volume') to a 
different, trusted appVM and do 'mkfs.btrfs /dev/xvdi'. Then detach it. 
When you start the target VM it should auto populate the new fs with a 
/home dir, etc. Alternately you could try btrfs-convert on it.


Keep in mind that Btrfs is like a simple-to-use LVM system itself, so 
using it on top of LVM or another filesystem can be slow. The other way 
around, normal VM fs/disk images on Btrfs is what I successfully used 
for over a year on 3.2 until I upgraded; it was flexible but demanded 
more CPU cycles and metadata use could get tricky.


  

P.S. I’m not sure lvm backend operates properly. File-based backend can
also be used instead. Just mount the secondary drive in dom0 and use the
old trusty file driver if worried.

Using a file is going to cause lots of fragmentation and adds an unneeded
layer that will just be able to introduce issues.
What is the benefit of using pools?

Doing a backup of a 1TB homedir can be done without the backup tool too ;)


An easier option is to use the file driver/backend as Connor suggests, 
even if it may be a little slower. Then preparation is reduced to 
encryption + formatting. Assuming your extra drive is /dev/sdb with one 
partition...


$ sudo cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb1
$ sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 newdisk-luks
$ sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/newdisk-luks
$ sudo mkdir /mnt/newdisk
$ sudo mount /dev/mapper/newdisk-luks /mnt/newdisk
$ sudo chown root:qubes /mnt/newdisk
$ qvm-pool -a newpool file -o 1,/mnt/newdisk

Create a vm using newpool:
$ qvm-create -p VOLUME_NAME=newpool  -t debian-9 newvmname

Getting this volume back online after reboot:
$ sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 newdisk-luks
$ sudo mount /dev/mapper/newdisk-luks /mnt/newdisk

To have it come online automatically, add entries in /etc/crypttab and 
/etc/fstab respectively.


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Re: [qubes-users] [HOWTO] use 2nd drive partition as 'home' drive.

2017-12-12 Thread Connor Page
sudo lvcreate -L  --type thin-pool --thinpool  
qvm-pool --add  lvm_thin -o 
volume_group=,thin_pool=

qvm-create -P  ...
or
qvm-clone -P   
set desired private image size using standard tools.

 this will put the private volume in the new thin pool. private volumes are 
mounted in /rw

btrfs may be tricky but you can try in-place conversion in a test vm. don’t 
forget to check fstab. I don’t remember if the fs type is hardcoded there.


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AW: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Crossover (Office 2016) and Qubes 4rc3

2017-12-12 Thread '[799]' via qubes-users
Hello,

 An 12. Dez. 2017, 18:00, Adrian Rocha schrieb:
Hi, I am using Crossover on Qubes 3.2. I suppose that it have to work fine in 
Qubes 4. You just have to install it and register on the template VM, like any 
other software. After that you can install the Windows apps in the App VM 
because they are installed in the user home dir

I tried 2h to install Office 2016 with Crossover 17 using a Fedora 25 Template 
under Qubes 4rc3.

While the installation of Crossover itself is very easy, I wasn't able to 
install office 2016.
The Installation starts, but end in a loop, after installing the dependencies 
like fonts the Office 2016 installer launches and then the window dissapears 
and the installer keeps saying it is installing.
But nothing else happens.

This test was done with the offline installer of office 2016 from the o365 
package.

I'll try to rerun with an office 2016 pro plus installer

[799]
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[qubes-users] Q4R3 - debian-stable

2017-12-12 Thread haaber
Hello,
I cloned the out-of-the-box debian-8 and brought it to debian-9 with
apt-get distupgrade. I halted it. After reboot no way to get a shell, or
anything else (not by qvm-run within dom0 either). Is there a way to get
error messages somewhere?  Thank you, Bernhard

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Crossover (Office 2016) and Qubes 4rc3

2017-12-12 Thread Adrian Rocha
Hi,

I am using Crossover on Qubes 3.2. I suppose that it have to work fine in Qubes 
4.
You just have to install it and register on the template VM, like any other 
software. After that you can install the Windows apps in the App VM because 
they are installed in the user home dir

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: USB Keyboard thoughts...

2017-12-12 Thread 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users
On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:24:16 CET cooloutac wrote:
> well I'm no expert but with ps/2 keyboard it will be the only thing
> attached,  unlike usb which can have multiple devices on same controller,
> spoofed as other devices.  Is there a better option?

The attack modes are two very different ones.

 Taiidan is thinking about someone coming in, installing a snooping device 
and waiting for you to type something critical.

In contrary your ps2 solution is one which protects against people at any 
time entering your OS through compromised (usb) hardware.

Either by giving you a pen, or entering the pen themselves.
It seems that if you drop usb pens in the parking lot of a mall or company, 
you have a very very high chance some unsuspecting person will insert it in 
their machine.

With the amount of bad USB drivers in the linux tree (not to mention in 
Windows) this is a worrying attack allowing the machine to be rooted without 
the attacker even being physically present.

sys-usb limits this attack.

> USB to ps/2 adapter works,  i apologize if it is a too simple and
> practical cheap solution.   If you are oldschool you probably have some
> laying around the house.

I think thats a great solution for the more common attack.

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[qubes-users] XSA-248 through XSA-251 do not affect the security of Qubes OS

2017-12-12 Thread Andrew David Wong
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Dear Qubes Community,

The Xen Project has published Xen Security Advisories 248 through 251
(XSA-248 through XSA-251). These XSAs do *not* affect the security of
Qubes OS, and no user action is necessary.

These XSAs have been added to the XSA Tracker:

https://www.qubes-os.org/security/xsa/

https://www.qubes-os.org/security/xsa/#248
https://www.qubes-os.org/security/xsa/#249
https://www.qubes-os.org/security/xsa/#250
https://www.qubes-os.org/security/xsa/#251

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Re: [qubes-users] [HOWTO] use 2nd drive partition as 'home' drive.

2017-12-12 Thread 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users
On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:18:25 CET Connor Page wrote:
> so in short, first create a qubes storage pool
> qvm-pool --add

In the spirit of a “howto”, can you fill in the actual values to allow one to 
add a second drive as the ‘private’ (home) partition *only* of a Qube?
 
> if you go for a thin pool, create it first and use volume group and thin
> pool names as options for qvm-pool.

As the storage pools doc is missing readability, I have to say I have no 
clue what a “thin pool” is.
What a “volume group” is.

Last, how does one create a btrfs filesystem on their “home” drive when using 
this pool concept?
 
> P.S. I’m not sure lvm backend operates properly. File-based backend can
> also be used instead. Just mount the secondary drive in dom0 and use the
> old trusty file driver if worried.

Using a file is going to cause lots of fragmentation and adds an unneeded 
layer that will just be able to introduce issues.
What is the benefit of using pools?

Doing a backup of a 1TB homedir can be done without the backup tool too ;)
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: USB Keyboard thoughts...

2017-12-12 Thread cooloutac
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 11:09:24 PM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> On 12/04/2017 07:31 PM, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> > I use a usb to ps2 adapter for my keyboard.
> I assume with the mistaken impression that PS/2 is more secure for some 
> reason - for the record it sends your keystrokes out on the ground wire.

what?  

well I'm no expert but with ps/2 keyboard it will be the only thing attached,  
unlike usb which can have multiple devices on same controller, spoofed as other 
devices.  Is there a better option?

USB to ps/2 adapter works,  i apologize if it is a too simple and practical 
cheap solution.   If you are oldschool you probably have some laying around the 
house.

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Re: [qubes-users] [HOWTO] use 2nd drive partition as 'home' drive.

2017-12-12 Thread Connor Page
I agree with Chris. Data specific to a qube should be stored on one of that 
qube’s volume. Backups work then.

so in short, first create a qubes storage pool
qvm-pool --add

qvm-create -P  

if you go for a thin pool, create it first and use volume group and thin pool 
names as options for qvm-pool.

P.S. I’m not sure lvm backend operates properly. File-based backend can also be 
used instead. Just mount the secondary drive in dom0 and use the old trusty 
file driver if worried.

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AW: [qubes-users] Re: Crossover (Office 2016) and Qubes 4rc3

2017-12-12 Thread '[799]' via qubes-users
Hello David,

>> I'd like to use Crossover to run Office in a
>> Fedora based AppVM.

> You may find it prudent to simply run
> windows, like such:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/windows-appvms/

I know that I can run a Windows VM in Qubes and I have also done so in Qubes 
3.2.
Unfortunately seamless mode was not always working and I don't want to deal 
with the overhead of a full windows OS.

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[qubes-users] Dumping BIOS

2017-12-12 Thread leonardo . porpora2000
Can anyone give me the instructions necessaries to dump the bios of my PC. So 
that I’m sure while using Qubes that I’m safe?
Best regards 
Leonardo 

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Re: [qubes-users] Ethernet-to-USB Adapter

2017-12-12 Thread taii...@gmx.com

On 12/11/2017 08:20 PM, Sven Semmler wrote:


When installing R3.2 one is presented with the option to create sys-usb as 
sys-net.

Is there a guide somewhere on how to achieve this after the fact?

Is there an guide to bringing up an Ethernet-to-USB adapter?

Context to my previous posts: I’m struggling too much with R4RC3. Really do 
need to get R3.2 running.

Thanks for all the patience and help!

/Sven


Hello sir.

You can simply assign disable sys-usb then assign the USB controllers to 
sys-net via the VM manager.
Please note that any non PCI-e network interface is going to be have 
terrible performance and high CPU usage.


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