Re: [qubes-users] Done with Qubes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 O K: > Thanks for all the help but I've been trying to figure out how to > get Qubes running for months and I've decided it's just a giant > waste of my time because every time I get one bug fixed, two more > show up to take it's place. I think it's a brilliant idea but it > needs a lot of work and streamlining before it's ready for public > use. It's a shame because my privacy and anonymity online are a > matter of my personal safety and it would be nice to have a secure > OS. TAILS is not a fully usable system either. I will have to > install Ubuntu. Good luck, everyone. > Dear oak2572, I understand your sentiment about the issues rising during your usage of the OS. You need a reliable and just working thing. My 2 cents to this are simple, and it solved all my issues with QubesOS. In my case it was simply a matter of hardware selected. It can be tricky to select the right one, but we have the excellent and updated list of supported HW. Im my case and for my use I am absolutely happy with the Asus Zenbook UX305F. It is not a beast, but is capable to run qubes without any issues. I also recommended QubesOS to other friends and it ended up same way as in your case - they gave up cause of need to heavily mod the existing HW and its SW part. If security, privacy, anonymity (you consider Tails too, right?) matters to you, try to reconsider the HW you try to run the QubesOS on. I am pretty sure this solves the issues fast and it will simply be a breeze. Good luck and fly safe! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEExlmPb5HoPUTt+CQT44JZDAWK6UwFAl1jdNxfFIAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM2 NTk4RjZGOTFFODNENDRFREY4MjQxM0UzODI1OTBDMDU4QUU5NEMACgkQ44JZDAWK 6UwZChAAjLQSzAqsX3nk6f1w4l2uFClGueXYtJZgKvyvP3TCOzaD5ZxzvXJLLgtr 5DyLUcQGJ4hX1xdIGkevPxQy05jz0swr8Bi+yJWJhrfza0GQvRvkVlDN9AkZ5cgu 6HBPDVi2IeZicWfKBAfr1ed+Onx/vmwbLqzqqFBs/f4/4U2VDJBfv52eX6NkGn/n RIOT5UQ3pRBsig69HviXR9Awvuh231Ltxu/CCUdcwECWkZVEhNr62EAsMNPiyCoL 4ge8d62tY/AQD+EWvRLmPsfA6NEvSdzlyMuMFDZNn5CRFaRZnwzaVzdaq4DNaaXs ST9/99WQAYkKSdogGa2Gm7jKg+uUynSHzCW85y+vJu4DIYpVB/8sllsCLWUMdmgx ZLw/gDhPEredszfeixrQd3cLxe5ZyQrE0HCGmWR8X4ABkAA/VQs6tC39I5rwfUUU 98OHKrGh0aKEYYz9K9ESkPZH233+CyyOGaXXbUiaqtm6a41pEHQNcyICJEQUqR6O lSm9nveZU+C7Ekd/VOUdckyd9cqcVNRidnAVw/DQseIBGSpVdJyxrpLFLYLdVowa rIVnlf9UZ0LxsheqXzZmqkNIA3KtlBbvBDBPjkbqbjtlOGWDWC7UT4WYGzJkBRn8 G2w6IJ4WRr5S373y9+fi5+Fh7wHTk9+BlwH8mcWRXjH8F0VwkJk= =oZve -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/89d0d886-4591-6afc-003f-6b32c1ed8b4a%40cock.li. 0xC1F4E83AF470A4ED.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: [qubes-users] Some problems with 4.0.2-rc1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 donoban: > On 8/25/19 5:58 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:> Here are some screenshots of how to > get automatic btrfs partitioning: > > https://openqa.qubes-os.org/tests/3240 ("install_partitioning_btrfs" > > is the relevant section.) > > Thanks Rusty, after checking the installation again and the test log I think > that my problem was the "Click here to create them automatically" failed > because my hard disk was already portioned and has no enough free space so I > ended using fully manual procedure, I am not sure if I deleted my luks > partition from there or I switched to a console and used cfdisk. The > "automatically" button failed so many times that when I achieve to free > space I didn't try it again. I think that I also tried with "I would like to > make additional space...", ouch I tested everything except the right path :) > > The problem is that getting there with a non empty hard disk can be pretty > confusing Definitely. Partitioning is my least favorite part of Anaconda (the installer used by Fedora and hence Qubes). > Maybe some dialog saying "This hard disk already contains partitions, do you > want to create an empty partition table?" If you have the time and inclination, you might want to submit this suggestion to the Anaconda bug tracker - after verifying that the latest Fedora installer has the same defect, which is their bug submission policy IIRC. Rusty -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEhLWbz8YrEp/hsG0ERp149HqvKt8FAl1i3HRfFIAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDg0 QjU5QkNGQzYyQjEyOUZFMUIwNkQwNDQ2OUQ3OEY0N0FBRjJBREYACgkQRp149Hqv Kt9PiRAAi4mTK4hxPe3QXISZa8ru8PqXmFZcG7sCOToDzCQOIBq0g4w8k90gYZt0 A0TbX9rvmOrtAIET+v5lEX2CS4zD5R3i8+ignxSQOexiPXTHDRvVAbkcFmKvK5Nz BSe2kSAdsDmiW6QLPNi/Ds8l8P6cKaBLFX2BnafXw8Bn5d0Hqi1RffPHm+qcVQ3L 0rU3iGr7OVGlRBgpNg3xnwy2v6CNOM86B8kKAotm030R88gMgvRmGO27VpvaUGB6 68xrr7QtEEzs0koae+RfkQEj3caU/Avn52AS8Vhzyruop3rwQCYOtzbEeBg3Mon8 eK9HI+Y8V8Whz83M4C9b2SKM+eDuuuDDeQiySWCUibamg10DEdY4Hk7HfYg9Lnp3 M9bg5J9An0oCw1h/Tina5WXjBD8HQHtkUUWg/PIwJx2dU4CWqO6IuuO3mBCaFHGi PGnNOL0Ehyi9t58gSmSh5nuNmhGFMVmo5o9BdQQ4bDXn3Z7xMZM19lxeCJZBcnn3 3OIwZEPwgK26J/DXhkcKbdTY0Iv2IGdfcBCD2PKmL2bOx/sLk7cNmu5Q8TWkZ5qf VVmUW2xNuTOr4C8hGlf+QStae7Ozfm257B94ItmarRj0UVbKM/KMehauqc292qhM 62KyVwSxm48zLjlXHaP+XwAIiqYIQj2kddl7Mp8+bSvaaoqeHho= =1p8t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190825190732.GA1900%40mutt.
Re: [qubes-users] Some problems with 4.0.2-rc1
On 8/25/19 5:58 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:> Here are some screenshots of how to get automatic btrfs partitioning: https://openqa.qubes-os.org/tests/3240 ("install_partitioning_btrfs" is the relevant section.) Thanks Rusty, after checking the installation again and the test log I think that my problem was the "Click here to create them automatically" failed because my hard disk was already portioned and has no enough free space so I ended using fully manual procedure, I am not sure if I deleted my luks partition from there or I switched to a console and used cfdisk. The "automatically" button failed so many times that when I achieve to free space I didn't try it again. I think that I also tried with "I would like to make additional space...", ouch I tested everything except the right path :) The problem is that getting there with a non empty hard disk can be pretty confusing (although once you see the correct steps it seems quite simple). Maybe some dialog saying "This hard disk already contains partitions, do you want to create an empty partition table?" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4d7c87d6-6a6f-2189-4bf1-daf968a913cd%40riseup.net.
Re: [qubes-users] Some problems with 4.0.2-rc1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 donoban: > On 8/25/19 4:22 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: > > donoban: > > > 2) Btrfs installation seems too hard. After some tries I did an unbootable > > > installation. > > > > Did you create the btrfs partitions manually or did you use the > > installer partitioning screen's "Click here to create them > > automatically" button? > > I tried to do it automatically but it did not let me to select 'btrfs' > option, so I was force to try with manual setup. [...] > > I will boot again with the installer media and check if there is a 'btrfs' > option. Here are some screenshots of how to get automatic btrfs partitioning: https://openqa.qubes-os.org/tests/3240 ("install_partitioning_btrfs" is the relevant section.) Rusty -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEhLWbz8YrEp/hsG0ERp149HqvKt8FAl1isCRfFIAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDg0 QjU5QkNGQzYyQjEyOUZFMUIwNkQwNDQ2OUQ3OEY0N0FBRjJBREYACgkQRp149Hqv Kt+Txg//cMs696rDKd4airU88YHmqXrhp1sElngeyttOSxf97DjHvF5x+rUj5zGq AQvad8HccP/JwZwGv3iRfsgumtvI8KUet5UomwSDyMcSPbIFRYcNUGhhxcVudR5V simzZRrj4oX5KvsRPRZI0ANaloIGQhjWCKfo+hvplXine2MzzAq/9NHYQmXAWalm lROGki0m/eIRrgK55ywbE//01ysl0USLadx4V9ZK1rYXn6sjEIvIbuyyYmDSagtv X6ScUSiBznLhot6bkhBQCYfQRngkje62T+KMA3oKeoyP8M7ra1Hlyrq4YVHgSUdv ScxpsMxs6zLzjWzWXifU2BvXjj2fSZwUdDQaxD+a8XMHw81nPJVIGqdPCZSxjCCy V9m7SF4A3kvCmTa41La0KQk8/PyCyoV1rkKgyD1qoz9RNv11w5SA1rNjwrhGU56e MQhCVq9nix3UchQ4R+EcdK0XbR8PqW+YclC2CoRSANizZPx9gmTrOOog8+vgc2VV e5ZXIdnAV0S8did1bJaDVTYDMB4L8QMkSdDFBGQ5NmyRR5xmeORZH8ZfjfDvx8LD v86S8DiRb3i/yeXatC/jeVO9aVbZEMCebohofQEL/nMtE+b/bLEMzAqZK3rVei7W rjhqsZqJtpOg0f/JWSB5MdD8uqlJ4+wm0ijXgHrvZxC2jkV1kiM= =L+aL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190825155828.GB1611%40mutt.
Re: [qubes-users] Some problems with 4.0.2-rc1
On 8/25/19 4:22 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: donoban: 2) Btrfs installation seems too hard. After some tries I did an unbootable installation. Did you create the btrfs partitions manually or did you use the installer partitioning screen's "Click here to create them automatically" button? The latter should work and I'd be very interested if it somehow broke your system. OTOH, manual btrfs partitioning in the installer was horrible last time I tried. I tried to do it automatically but it did not let me to select 'btrfs' option, so I was force to try with manual setup. On manual mode I have to unlock the luks hard disk (from the older installation) and I remember this being problematic too so I ended manually recreating partitions table from console. Then I am not sure what partitions I did, but after finishing installation and rebooting it was unbootable. I will boot again with the installer media and check if there is a 'btrfs' option. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/3b5e2109-17f0-a694-b91d-66b21cdafc8b%40riseup.net.
Re: [qubes-users] Some problems with 4.0.2-rc1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 donoban: > 2) Btrfs installation seems too hard. After some tries I did an unbootable > installation. Did you create the btrfs partitions manually or did you use the installer partitioning screen's "Click here to create them automatically" button? The latter should work and I'd be very interested if it somehow broke your system. OTOH, manual btrfs partitioning in the installer was horrible last time I tried. Rusty -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEhLWbz8YrEp/hsG0ERp149HqvKt8FAl1imZhfFIAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDg0 QjU5QkNGQzYyQjEyOUZFMUIwNkQwNDQ2OUQ3OEY0N0FBRjJBREYACgkQRp149Hqv Kt9aCA//UIJTG9AHdtXljzTsbP1DG9+yscjeOZwCb0TjmcjqfL+LYef9duTtmViV ll91cwqjwMxSWfHAxA6D9iy8ho+iEYAIBhWoXBcVgo3Od0Ttxbpywf9lBS5lqq3e c41HDSIknlGeHEtQaIXEY/jFB8CJooZOJqhDuf5C244hLUnkoGpTfRpSPGQnRNxR GayK6S7UFl0kLptdn5Rd8NG6CieFI4P00Tq4Wymx6Jb/ADDTvdQ/EaY/EalHIixK Gj/mMgHTRjGo8g32TX/Y5Z5ZSJ4wRhVYfePBurbj0f8UasZETRNuUsNw+NPXihJx W+OqhSB7OP2f24Ox1bGIoWu4diqy02Hn+c3cCuYSdf70aaSE7gvAAYdpyfbnM1mc qAxdYt9UnxVtOd797FOSLiREHUVkSXY9TLbAdQervdUPyvkecLJg+/oSEQkqyOGc AHImDyjAY/m2G0Y+jeqhbL0V19b7M/o3atDWwKD3WpLcGEueQrcV6BRWx+UY3mk4 Txw7lbTxbpFdrrTapwYBixNL71EjNRHdY7DeC7stZ2xP5JaCpVz6Z1lo+/dZoLpl ZTgPXL7C8CdYpP2jK6ly0emREtxWbxPnVgiygVMwzuCvV4U098F12ulhu65+HyPS wKqA5tTXue5fWkGemqmAXvddnmohnGNYKSsE7RiozKuOmP1URic= =P8fn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190825142216.GA1611%40mutt.
Re: [qubes-users] Qubes does not recover from crashed X11 (related to shmoverride and GUID)
OK, I have created https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5273 . There is not much new information in the issue. The main new information is that the recovery by renaming the shm.id.0 and restarting lightdm is just partial – all running VMs lose sound output (until rebooted) and some runnng VMs also hang indefinitely and cannot even respond to qvm-run -p vm-name ls. V6 On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 3:08:41 PM UTC+2, David Hobach wrote: > > On 8/21/19 11:59 PM, Vít Šesták wrote: > > Hello, > > sometimes, Intel driver makes my X11 crash (see X11-crash.log). It > happens > > usually when I rotate the screen, but also sometimes without any > apparent > > reason. I can usually replicate in a minute by rotating the screen like > > crazy. Note that this situation does not happen when I log out or kill > the > > X server. > > > > What's worse, Qubes OS does not recover properly. It displays login > prompt, > > but when I log in, all previously opened windows just flash and the GUID > > crashes. In the debug output, it complains about something related to > SHM, > > see guid.disp7824.log. Even newly started VM don't have a working GUID. > > > > Some debugging with strace has accidentally* pointed me to > > /var/run/qubes/shm.id.0 file. When I rename the file, the GUID seems to > be > > able to start it again. The shm.id.0 fle is recreated with a different > > number and it works again. > > > > I have found that the file is related to shmoverride documented at > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-gui-daemon/tree/master/shmoverride . I > > however don't have much further idea about that. Well, it is some X11 > > shared memory and it has some identifier. When the X11 crashes, maybe it > > gets corrupted or maybe just the old file is not removed. I don't think > > there is a corruption of the SHM, as some similar situation happened on > OOM > > kill. So maybe it is just about some final cleaning missing there. Do > you > > have some further idea? > > > > Regards, > > Vít Šesták 'v6ak' > > > > *) Well, I hit a kind of antiheisenbug. GUID does not work when I run it > > with strace (even before the X11 crash), because strace breaks SUID for > > obvious reason. As a result, it will fail when trying to access > > /var/run/qubes/shm.id.0. Nevertheless, this file seems to be relevant, > > although the discovery was rather random. > > Hi Vit, > > I'd recommend opening a respective Qubes issue on github as it looks > like a bug to me. > > BR > David > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/c04a619b-0362-4b0f-ba62-bded7b8512e7%40googlegroups.com.