Re: [qubes-users] Re: 4.0 ETA?

2016-09-14 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:28:10AM -0700, ludwig jaffe wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. September 2016 19:09:31 UTC+2 schrieb Jan Betlach:
> > I am about to reinstall my Qubes. Does it make sense to wait for 4.0 
> > release (obviously depends on its ETA) or should I install current 3.2 and 
> > upgrade to 4.0 later. The question is how difficult it is to upgrade if 
> > possible at all.
> 
> 
> Is it possible to down-patch the 4.0 to use older CPUs?
> So I guess only the version of XEN used, is the critical component that locks 
> out the older CPUs.
> Right?
> I would like to suggest to make a fork to support older CPUs. So one can 
> build an old-version 4.0. What would be needed to do so?

Requiring VT-x/AMD-v with SLAT/EPT/RVI + VT-d/AMD-Vi is an implication
of our _decision_, to increase security[1], not a technical
requirement of some software component. But this decision means that
Qubes-specific component will no longer support non-compatible systems.

[1]
https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/07/21/new-hw-certification-for-q4/

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Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
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[qubes-users] Re: 4.0 ETA?

2016-09-14 Thread ludwig jaffe
Am Montag, 12. September 2016 19:09:31 UTC+2 schrieb Jan Betlach:
> I am about to reinstall my Qubes. Does it make sense to wait for 4.0 release 
> (obviously depends on its ETA) or should I install current 3.2 and upgrade to 
> 4.0 later. The question is how difficult it is to upgrade if possible at all.


Is it possible to down-patch the 4.0 to use older CPUs?
So I guess only the version of XEN used, is the critical component that locks 
out the older CPUs.
Right?
I would like to suggest to make a fork to support older CPUs. So one can build 
an old-version 4.0. What would be needed to do so?

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