[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-21 Thread John S.Recdep
On 08/10/2018 12:54 PM,
brendan.hoar-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
> On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 12:49:05 AM UTC-4, Outback Dingo wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM John S.Recdep wrote:
>>> I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)
>>
>> great but how do we resolve it... its makes Qubes itself really unuseable
> 
> Maybe try this?
> In dom0:
> sudo xenpm set-scaling-governor performance
> 
> Brendan
> 

seems it wants a   , what would that be?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Mon, August 13, 2018 7:34 pm, CF wrote:
> On 08/13/2018 01:14 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
>
>> On Mon, August 13, 2018 11:03 am, CF wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>

 Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering
 and/or the video driver is throwing any errors on load?


>>> I have not checked, I simply noticed that the move from 4.9.56 to
>>> 4.14.57 was bringing all the fixes for Spectre / Meltdown, and I
>>> suspect they are responsible for the 'sluggish feel' (Q3.2 here, not
>>> 4.0)
>>>
>>>
>>> I can check for rendering and video driver, which logs are you
>>> talking about exactly?
>>
>> X.org log is described here:
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-render
>> ing-or-video-lags
>>
>> If the driver is having trouble loading, you should see a related error
>> in dom0's journalctl.
>>
>>
> Journalctl was full of error, this seems to fix it, thanks

What did you have to change to fix the errors?


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread CF
On 08/13/2018 01:14 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Mon, August 13, 2018 11:03 am, CF wrote:
>> On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
>>
> 
>>>
>>> Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering
>>> and/or the video driver is throwing any errors on load?
>>>
>>>
>> I have not checked, I simply noticed that the move from 4.9.56 to
>> 4.14.57 was bringing all the fixes for Spectre / Meltdown, and I suspect
>> they are responsible for the 'sluggish feel' (Q3.2 here, not 4.0)
>>
>> I can check for rendering and video driver, which logs are you talking
>> about exactly?
> 
> X.org log is described here:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-rendering-or-video-lags
> 
> If the driver is having trouble loading, you should see a related error in
> dom0's journalctl.
> 
> 
Journalctl was full of error, this seems to fix it, thanks

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Mon, August 13, 2018 11:18 am, Outback Dingo wrote:

>
> i am having 0 errors with nvidia card nothing in the logs really , yet
> still having the same issue, no updates, one tweak for performance as
> suggested helped a little but not alot

There's an option to disable Meltdown mitigations but I haven't tried it.
It will reduce security of the system. If you want to, set xpti=false
option in Xen command line (xen.gz option in grub, or options= line in
xen.cfg for UEFI).

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread Outback Dingo
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:14 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, August 13, 2018 11:03 am, CF wrote:
> > On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >> Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering
> >> and/or the video driver is throwing any errors on load?
> >>
> >>
> > I have not checked, I simply noticed that the move from 4.9.56 to
> > 4.14.57 was bringing all the fixes for Spectre / Meltdown, and I suspect
> > they are responsible for the 'sluggish feel' (Q3.2 here, not 4.0)
> >
> > I can check for rendering and video driver, which logs are you talking
> > about exactly?
>
> X.org log is described here:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-rendering-or-video-lags
>
> If the driver is having trouble loading, you should see a related error in
> dom0's journalctl.
>
>

i am having 0 errors with nvidia card nothing in the logs really , yet
still having the same issue, no updates, one tweak for performance as
suggested helped a little but not alot


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Mon, August 13, 2018 11:03 am, CF wrote:
> On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
>

>>
>> Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering
>> and/or the video driver is throwing any errors on load?
>>
>>
> I have not checked, I simply noticed that the move from 4.9.56 to
> 4.14.57 was bringing all the fixes for Spectre / Meltdown, and I suspect
> they are responsible for the 'sluggish feel' (Q3.2 here, not 4.0)
>
> I can check for rendering and video driver, which logs are you talking
> about exactly?

X.org log is described here:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-rendering-or-video-lags

If the driver is having trouble loading, you should see a related error in
dom0's journalctl.


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread CF
On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Fri, August 10, 2018 3:28 pm, CF wrote:
>> On 08/10/2018 06:47 AM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM cooloutac  wrote:
>>>



 I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart
 all the vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on
 4.0


 --

>>>
>>> nope its been rebooted numerous times, still same issue, always sluggish
>>> choppy ui, take 20+ seconds just to swtich tabs in chrome / firefox in
>>> both fedora and debian. other apps seem to take longer times loading,
>>> switching apps is the same
>>>
>>
>> Same here, I will probably switch back dom0 and all the templates / VMs
>> to the previous kernel.
> 
> Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering and/or
> the video driver is throwing any errors on load?
> 
> 
I have not checked, I simply noticed that the move from 4.9.56 to
4.14.57 was bringing all the fixes for Spectre / Meltdown, and I suspect
they are responsible for the 'sluggish feel' (Q3.2 here, not 4.0)

I can check for rendering and video driver, which logs are you talking
about exactly?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Fri, August 10, 2018 3:28 pm, CF wrote:
> On 08/10/2018 06:47 AM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM cooloutac  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart
>>> all the vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on
>>> 4.0
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> nope its been rebooted numerous times, still same issue, always sluggish
>> choppy ui, take 20+ seconds just to swtich tabs in chrome / firefox in
>> both fedora and debian. other apps seem to take longer times loading,
>> switching apps is the same
>>
>
> Same here, I will probably switch back dom0 and all the templates / VMs
> to the previous kernel.

Have you checked the logs to see if X is using software rendering and/or
the video driver is throwing any errors on load?


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-13 Thread CF
On 08/10/2018 06:47 AM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM cooloutac  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart all the 
>> vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on 4.0
>>
>> --
> 
> nope its been rebooted numerous times, still same issue, always
> sluggish choppy ui, take 20+ seconds just to swtich tabs in chrome /
> firefox in both fedora and debian. other apps seem to take longer
> times loading, switching apps is the same
> 

Same here, I will probably switch back dom0 and all the templates / VMs
to the previous kernel.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-10 Thread Outback Dingo
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:54 PM  wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 12:49:05 AM UTC-4, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM John S.Recdep wrote:
> > > I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)
> >
> > great but how do we resolve it... its makes Qubes itself really unuseable
>
> Maybe try this?
> In dom0:
> sudo xenpm set-scaling-governor performance

Okay thanks for this, it does seem to have helped a bit, at least
changing apps and tabs is smoother, though i still get a little bit of
video issues

>
> Brendan
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-10 Thread brendan . hoar
On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 12:49:05 AM UTC-4, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM John S.Recdep wrote:
> > I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)
> 
> great but how do we resolve it... its makes Qubes itself really unuseable

Maybe try this?
In dom0:
sudo xenpm set-scaling-governor performance

Brendan

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-10 Thread John S.Recdep
On 08/09/2018 06:48 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM John S.Recdep 
>  wrote:
>>
>> On 08/06/2018 01:50 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>> I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
>>> qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful
>>> long time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome,
>>> launch VMs
>>>
>>> also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
>>> as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
>>>
>>> any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
>>> allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
>>> and i am up to date update wise.
>>>
>>
>> I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)
> 
> great but how do we resolve it... its makes Qubes itself really unuseable
> 


i guess You  would disable it and reboot  but ymmv

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-09 Thread Outback Dingo
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM John S.Recdep  wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2018 01:50 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
> > qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful
> > long time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome,
> > launch VMs
> >
> > also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
> > as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
> >
> > any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
> > allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
> > and i am up to date update wise.
> >
>
> I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)

great but how do we resolve it... its makes Qubes itself really unuseable

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-09 Thread Outback Dingo
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM cooloutac  wrote:
>
>
>
> I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart all the 
> vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on 4.0
>
> --

nope its been rebooted numerous times, still same issue, always
sluggish choppy ui, take 20+ seconds just to swtich tabs in chrome /
firefox in both fedora and debian. other apps seem to take longer
times loading, switching apps is the same



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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-09 Thread John S.Recdep
On 08/06/2018 01:50 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
> I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
> qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful
> long time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome,
> launch VMs
> 
> also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
> as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
> 
> any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
> allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
> and i am up to date update wise.
> 

I blame intel speedstep for everything in your local uefi ,  and dingos :)

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-08 Thread cooloutac


I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart all the 
vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on 4.0

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-08 Thread Outback Dingo
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 9:05:54 AM UTC+2, awokd wrote:
> On Wed, August 8, 2018 3:14 am, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > Nothing ??
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:50 AM Outback Dingo 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
> >> qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful long
> >> time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome, launch VMs
> >>
> >> also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
> >> as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
> >>
> >> any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
> >> allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
> >> and i am up to date update wise.
> 
> Sounds similar to this Intel problem:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-rendering-or-video-lags.
> Review your logs and see if your video card driver is reporting any errors
> when it loads.


not sure how this would be appplicable its an Nvidia card..

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-08 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Wed, August 8, 2018 3:14 am, Outback Dingo wrote:
> Nothing ??
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:50 AM Outback Dingo 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
>> qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful long
>> time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome, launch VMs
>>
>> also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
>> as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
>>
>> any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
>> allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
>> and i am up to date update wise.

Sounds similar to this Intel problem:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/intel-igfx-troubleshooting/#software-rendering-or-video-lags.
Review your logs and see if your video card driver is reporting any errors
when it loads.


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-07 Thread Outback Dingo
Nothing ??
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:50 AM Outback Dingo  wrote:
>
> I dont remeber qubes being so sluggish on a skylake laptop with 64Gb,
> qubes is installed on a SSD, however it now seems to take an awful
> long time to switch windows, change tabs in firefox and chhrome,
> launch VMs
>
> also note that screen rendering, i can actually watch web pages paint,
> as though video is being quirly or something, it is an NVIDIA card
>
> any suggestions, nothing is swapping, memory seems ok, ive even
> allocated 8192 mb to 2 vms which i see it in, both fedora and debian,
> and i am up to date update wise.

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