Re: [qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-04-03 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote on 4/3/19 6:55 PM:

So I can safely delete the Debian-9 template?


Correct, that won't impact your Whonix ones.

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Re: [qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-04-03 Thread jrsmiley
So I can safely delete the Debian-9 template?

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Re: [qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-04-01 Thread unman
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 06:27:22PM -0700, jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, awokd wrote:
> > jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote on 3/31/19 3:04 PM:
> > > I'm finally going to just ask.  I've been searching for something to help 
> > > me understand this for months now.  Debian-9 template is somehow 
> > > connected to the Whonix templates, but not by the usual templateVM / 
> > > appVM mechanism.  Can someone please enlighten me or point me to the docs 
> > > I've not found yet.
> > > 
> > 
> > They share components during the build process, but by the time you 
> > install them they are independent. Why do you think they continue to be 
> > connected?
> 
> Thanks, just having that verified helps.  It seemed like that had to be true 
> (that they are wired differently than other templateVMs due to tighter 
> coupling requirements than simple overlays can provide).  I suppose that 
> whatever sharing of components that was configured at build time persists 
> across domain updates so that the other templates are notified of installed 
> package changes among each other.  I believe dom0 also receives the same or 
> similar notifications.
> 
I don't understand what you are saying.
There is no "wiring" between the Debian and Whonix templates: Whonix is
based on Debian and therefore has Qubes Debian packages installed.
There is no notification of package changes between these templates.

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Re: [qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-03-31 Thread jrsmiley
On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, awokd wrote:
> jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote on 3/31/19 3:04 PM:
> > I'm finally going to just ask.  I've been searching for something to help 
> > me understand this for months now.  Debian-9 template is somehow connected 
> > to the Whonix templates, but not by the usual templateVM / appVM mechanism. 
> >  Can someone please enlighten me or point me to the docs I've not found yet.
> > 
> 
> They share components during the build process, but by the time you 
> install them they are independent. Why do you think they continue to be 
> connected?

Thanks, just having that verified helps.  It seemed like that had to be true 
(that they are wired differently than other templateVMs due to tighter coupling 
requirements than simple overlays can provide).  I suppose that whatever 
sharing of components that was configured at build time persists across domain 
updates so that the other templates are notified of installed package changes 
among each other.  I believe dom0 also receives the same or similar 
notifications.

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Re: [qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-03-31 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote on 3/31/19 3:04 PM:

I'm finally going to just ask.  I've been searching for something to help me 
understand this for months now.  Debian-9 template is somehow connected to the 
Whonix templates, but not by the usual templateVM / appVM mechanism.  Can 
someone please enlighten me or point me to the docs I've not found yet.



They share components during the build process, but by the time you 
install them they are independent. Why do you think they continue to be 
connected?


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[qubes-users] Still don't understand how Debian-9 template is connected to Whonix templates

2019-03-31 Thread jrsmiley
I'm finally going to just ask.  I've been searching for something to help me 
understand this for months now.  Debian-9 template is somehow connected to the 
Whonix templates, but not by the usual templateVM / appVM mechanism.  Can 
someone please enlighten me or point me to the docs I've not found yet.

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