Re: [qubes-users] Upgrading from rc2 to release.

2017-11-07 Thread Yuraeitha
On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 3:07:20 PM UTC, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 06:56:00AM -0800, Yuraeitha wrote:
> > Do you happen to know if issues of the backup and backup-restore has been 
> > fixed though? 
> 
> no, it will need brave testers like you to find out ;)
> 
> I'd suggest to backup 3.2, install 4.0 on a new/another disk and see if
> restore works. If it doesnt, well you still have the old disk with 3.2
> and you can continue to work. (just please file a bug in that case so
> the bug becomes visible and can be fixed!)
> 
> as you say, it's still an release candidate...
> 
> personally I'm happy with 3.2 and don't plan to upgrade before 2 months
> after the official 4.0 release or so. Sometimes I'm conservative.
> 
> 
> -- 
> cheers,
>   Holger

lmao, true, I might be challenging my fate a bit too much, one day falling into 
the pit of misery. But nontheless, no regreets for now (at least I did not 
loose anything), despite the hours used to fix various Qubes 4 RC-2 issues.

As for your suggestion Holger, I agree, but I just want to add one thing. If 
installing over UEFI/EFI instead of BIOS/Legacy-Boot, then be extra careful. At 
least in my anecdotal case, I've run into some efibootmgr issues with Qubes 4 
release, when I tried to swap out various Qubes installs on my UEFI system.

For some reason or another, efibootmgr failed when I tried to fix a EFI boot 
setting in the UEFI. Since installing a new Qubes replaces the old in the UEFI 
settings, it might still be a risk, despite all the data still being available. 
It used to always work in previous times, like with Qubes 3.2. Something seems 
different here with Qubes 4.

So I'd like to add to only try this on a machine where Qubes 3.2. is already 
installed with BIOS/Legacy, and perhaps also pull out or disable the drive with 
Qubes 3.2 on it, just to be 100% sure nothing goes wrong. 

or yeah, alternatively rely on a Qubes backup to fallback on Qubes 3.2, despite 
the extra work. But it never hurts to be extra safe.

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Re: [qubes-users] Upgrading from rc2 to release.

2017-11-07 Thread Yuraeitha
On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 2:44:47 PM UTC, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 07:35:58PM -0800, jkitt wrote:
> > Is this just a case of running a Dom0 update? Or would I have to manually 
> > install the stable release?
> > FYI: I'm still on 3.2.
> 
> you need to backup 3.2, install 4.0 and restore the backup. this is
> described in the release notes.
> 
> 
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> cheers,
>   Holger

Do you happen to know if issues of the backup and backup-restore has been fixed 
though? It shouldn't just be so straight forward if he runs into unrecoverable 
or time consuming tasks to fix issues on something as important as backup data, 
especially since it's still technically a beta release.

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Re: [qubes-users] Upgrading from rc2 to release.

2017-11-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 07:35:58PM -0800, jkitt wrote:
> Is this just a case of running a Dom0 update? Or would I have to manually 
> install the stable release?
> FYI: I'm still on 3.2.

you need to backup 3.2, install 4.0 and restore the backup. this is
described in the release notes.


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[qubes-users] Upgrading from rc2 to release.

2017-11-06 Thread jkitt
Is this just a case of running a Dom0 update? Or would I have to manually 
install the stable release?

FYI: I'm still on 3.2.

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