Re: [Rd] reducing redundant work in methods package
I also just noticed that there is a bug: identical(ans, FALSE) should
be is.null(ans).
So no error is thrown:
methods:::genericForPrimitive(foo)
NULL
Will fix.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Peter Haverty haverty.pe...@gene.com wrote:
Doing it like this:
genericForPrimitive - function(f, where = topenv(parent.frame()), mustFind
= TRUE) {
ans = .BasicFunsList[[f]]
## this element may not exist (yet, during loading), dom't test null
if(mustFind identical(ans, FALSE))
stop(gettextf(methods may not be defined for primitive function %s
in this version of R,
sQuote(f)),
domain = NA)
ans
}
or this:
genericForPrimitive - function(f, where = topenv(parent.frame()), mustFind
= TRUE) {
env = asNamespace(methods)
funs - env[[.BasicFunsList]]
ans = funs[[f]]
## this element may not exist (yet, during loading), dom't test null
if(mustFind identical(ans, FALSE))
stop(gettextf(methods may not be defined for primitive function %s
in this version of R,
sQuote(f)),
domain = NA)
ans
}
Seems to work just fine.
Yes, el and elNamed can probably go now.
Pete
Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D.
Genentech, Inc.
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Michael Lawrence
lawrence.mich...@gene.com wrote:
Note that setMethod() resolves .BasicFunsList in the methods namespace
directly when setting a method on a primitive. Somehow there should be
consistency between genericForPrimitive() and the check in setMethod().
Also, we can probably step away from the use of elNamed(), given that [[
now uses exact matching.
Have you tried patching methods to use .BasicFunsList directly as in
setMethod?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Peter Haverty haverty.pe...@gene.com
wrote:
Hi all,
The function call series genericForPrimitive - .findBasicFuns -
.findAll
happens 4400 times while the GenomicRanges package is loading. Each time
.findAll follows a chain of environments to determine that the methods
namespace is the only one that holds a variable called .BasicFunsList.
This
accounts for ~10% of package loading time. I'm sure there is some history
to that design, but would it be possible shortcut this operation? Could
.BasicFunsList be initialized in the methods namespace at startup and
might
genericForPrimitive just go straight there?
Does anyone on the list know why it works this way?
There are some other cases of seemingly redundant work, but this seems
like
an easy one to address.
I have included some code below that was used to investigate some of the
above.
# Try this to count calls to a function
.count - 0; trace(methods:::.findBasicFuns,tracer=function() { .count
-
.count + 1 }); library(GenomicRanges); print(.count)
# Try this to capture the input and output of a set of functions you wish
to refactor
.init_test_data_collection - function(ns = asNamespace(methods)) {
funs = c(isClassUnion, getClass, genericForPrimitive,
possibleExtends, .dataSlot, .requirePackage, .classEnv,
getClassDef, outerLabels, .getClassFromCache, getFunction)
message(paste0(\nCollecting data for unit tests on , paste(funs,
collapse=, ), ...\n))
# Make env with list to hold test input/output
TEST_ENV - new.env()
for (fname in funs) {
# Make placeholder for input/output for future runs of this
function
TEST_ENV[[fname]] = list() # Actually probably not necessary,
will
just be c(NULL, list(first result)) the first time
# Construct test version of function
unlockBinding(fname, ns)
fun = get(fname, envir=ns, mode=function)
funbody = deparse(body(fun))
newfun - fun
newfun.body = c(
sprintf(fname = '%s', fname),
TEST_INFO = list(),
TEST_INFO$input = mget(names(formals(fname))),
c(realfun - function(), funbody),
TEST_INFO$output = realfun(),
TEST_ENV[[fname]] = c(TEST_ENV[[fname]], list(TEST_INFO)),
return(TEST_INFO$output))
body(newfun) = as.call(c(as.name({),
as.list(parse(text=newfun.body
assign(fname, newfun, envir=ns)
}
return(TEST_ENV)
}
# run code, print items in TEST_ENV
The relevant code is in methods/R/BasicFunsList.R and
methods/R/ClassExtensions.R
Pete
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Re: [Bioc-devel] Latest R-devel revision breaks flowCore and other flow packages
On 01/22/2015 12:26 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:
Mike wjia...@fhcrc.org
on Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:16:37 -0800 writes:
I don't think it has been addressed yet in the later commits of R-devel.
And that piece of code in flowCore package was written long time ago and
there is nothing wrong with it as far as I can see.
You are right.
I thought Michael Lawrence (member of R Core since last summer!)
was also reading Bioc-devel, so wonder why he has not yet
replied -- CC'ing him
The changes to R-devel also did break the Matrix package in
exactly the same way. You said
Here is the |initialize|method for |parameterFilter| which causes the
various errors from flow package vignettes.
|setMethod(initialize,
signature=signature(.Object=parameterFilter),
definition=function(.Object, parameters,...)
{
if (!missing(parameters))
parameters(.Object) - parameters
callNextMethod()
})
|
and I also had a _no argument_ call
callNextMethod()
inside an initialize method.
I'm pretty sure that if you change (the same as I)
callNextMethod()
to
callNextMethod(.Object, ...)
you'll have a version of the code that works both in current R 3.1.2
(and older versions) *and* in the R-devel version.
I also pinged Michael??
What's a precise statement of the problem -- no-argument callNextMethod() inside
initialize? Any suggestions on ways to discover these without relying on package
break during build / check / install?
Martin Morgan
Michael L and I were not sure how many other packages or R code this
would influence and he was expecting very very few.
Best regards,
Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich
On 01/20/2015 05:06 PM, Dan Tenenbaum wrote:
I'm not sure if you were implying that this has already been fixed in
R-devel. Note that the devel build machines currently have r67501 installed, which is
later than all the commits you cite above, yet the flow packages are still broken.
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[Rd] speedbump in library
Hi all,
Profiling turned up a bit of a speedbump in the library function. I
submitted a patch to the R bug tracker as bug 16168 and I've also
included it below. The alternate code is simpler and easier to
read/maintain, I believe. Any thoughts on other ways to write this?
Index: src/library/base/R/library.R
===
--- src/library/base/R/library.R(revision 67578)
+++ src/library/base/R/library.R(working copy)
@@ -688,18 +688,8 @@
out - character()
for(pkg in package) {
-paths - character()
-for(lib in lib.loc) {
-dirs - list.files(lib,
- pattern = paste0(^, pkg, $),
- full.names = TRUE)
-## Note that we cannot use tools::file_test() here, as
-## cyclic namespace dependencies are not supported. Argh.
-paths - c(paths,
- dirs[dir.exists(dirs)
-file.exists(file.path(dirs,
- DESCRIPTION))])
-}
+paths - file.path(lib.loc, pkg)
+paths - paths[ file.exists(file.path(paths, DESCRIPTION)) ]
if(use_loaded pkg %in% loadedNamespaces()) {
dir - if (pkg == base) system.file()
else getNamespaceInfo(pkg, path)
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[Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] reducing redundant work in methods package
Actually, after reading the comment about it being OK for it being
NULL, it's not a bug after all.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Michael Lawrence micha...@gene.com wrote:
I also just noticed that there is a bug: identical(ans, FALSE) should
be is.null(ans).
So no error is thrown:
methods:::genericForPrimitive(foo)
NULL
Will fix.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Peter Haverty haverty.pe...@gene.com wrote:
Doing it like this:
genericForPrimitive - function(f, where = topenv(parent.frame()), mustFind
= TRUE) {
ans = .BasicFunsList[[f]]
## this element may not exist (yet, during loading), dom't test null
if(mustFind identical(ans, FALSE))
stop(gettextf(methods may not be defined for primitive function %s
in this version of R,
sQuote(f)),
domain = NA)
ans
}
or this:
genericForPrimitive - function(f, where = topenv(parent.frame()), mustFind
= TRUE) {
env = asNamespace(methods)
funs - env[[.BasicFunsList]]
ans = funs[[f]]
## this element may not exist (yet, during loading), dom't test null
if(mustFind identical(ans, FALSE))
stop(gettextf(methods may not be defined for primitive function %s
in this version of R,
sQuote(f)),
domain = NA)
ans
}
Seems to work just fine.
Yes, el and elNamed can probably go now.
Pete
Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D.
Genentech, Inc.
phave...@gene.com
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Michael Lawrence
lawrence.mich...@gene.com wrote:
Note that setMethod() resolves .BasicFunsList in the methods namespace
directly when setting a method on a primitive. Somehow there should be
consistency between genericForPrimitive() and the check in setMethod().
Also, we can probably step away from the use of elNamed(), given that [[
now uses exact matching.
Have you tried patching methods to use .BasicFunsList directly as in
setMethod?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Peter Haverty haverty.pe...@gene.com
wrote:
Hi all,
The function call series genericForPrimitive - .findBasicFuns -
.findAll
happens 4400 times while the GenomicRanges package is loading. Each time
.findAll follows a chain of environments to determine that the methods
namespace is the only one that holds a variable called .BasicFunsList.
This
accounts for ~10% of package loading time. I'm sure there is some history
to that design, but would it be possible shortcut this operation? Could
.BasicFunsList be initialized in the methods namespace at startup and
might
genericForPrimitive just go straight there?
Does anyone on the list know why it works this way?
There are some other cases of seemingly redundant work, but this seems
like
an easy one to address.
I have included some code below that was used to investigate some of the
above.
# Try this to count calls to a function
.count - 0; trace(methods:::.findBasicFuns,tracer=function() { .count
-
.count + 1 }); library(GenomicRanges); print(.count)
# Try this to capture the input and output of a set of functions you wish
to refactor
.init_test_data_collection - function(ns = asNamespace(methods)) {
funs = c(isClassUnion, getClass, genericForPrimitive,
possibleExtends, .dataSlot, .requirePackage, .classEnv,
getClassDef, outerLabels, .getClassFromCache, getFunction)
message(paste0(\nCollecting data for unit tests on , paste(funs,
collapse=, ), ...\n))
# Make env with list to hold test input/output
TEST_ENV - new.env()
for (fname in funs) {
# Make placeholder for input/output for future runs of this
function
TEST_ENV[[fname]] = list() # Actually probably not necessary,
will
just be c(NULL, list(first result)) the first time
# Construct test version of function
unlockBinding(fname, ns)
fun = get(fname, envir=ns, mode=function)
funbody = deparse(body(fun))
newfun - fun
newfun.body = c(
sprintf(fname = '%s', fname),
TEST_INFO = list(),
TEST_INFO$input = mget(names(formals(fname))),
c(realfun - function(), funbody),
TEST_INFO$output = realfun(),
TEST_ENV[[fname]] = c(TEST_ENV[[fname]], list(TEST_INFO)),
return(TEST_INFO$output))
body(newfun) = as.call(c(as.name({),
as.list(parse(text=newfun.body
assign(fname, newfun, envir=ns)
}
return(TEST_ENV)
}
# run code, print items in TEST_ENV
The relevant code is in methods/R/BasicFunsList.R and
methods/R/ClassExtensions.R
Pete
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Dear All The R CMD check on the zoo (1.7-11) package results in an error on my environment. It can be reduced to the following example: require(zoo) read.zoo(system.file(doc, demo1.txt, package = zoo), sep = |, format=%d %b %Y) Error in read.zoo(system.file(doc, demo1.txt, package = zoo), sep = |, : index has bad entries at data rows: 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 I am using the following environment (on Windows 7): sessionInfo() R version 3.1.2 (2014-10-31) Platform: x86_64-w64-mingw32/x64 (64-bit) locale: [1] LC_COLLATE=German_Switzerland.1252 LC_CTYPE=German_Switzerland.1252 [3] LC_MONETARY=German_Switzerland.1252 LC_NUMERIC=C [5] LC_TIME=German_Switzerland.1252 attached base packages: [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base The problem are the locale settings. In the demo1.txt the months are abbreviated in English; while my environment would only accept German abbreviations. The problem can be solved by setting the time locale: Sys.setlocale(LC_TIME, English) or Sys.setlocale(LC_TIME, C) Now; for R CMD check, the manual (http://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/r-release/R-exts.html) states the following: - R CMD check and R CMD build run R processes with --vanilla... So no possibility to set the locales (in contrary to the environment variables) through an Rprofile file... - All these tests are run with collation set to the C locale... If I set LC_ALL or only LC_TIME to C the example shown at the top actually works if I run it manually. However; if I run R CMD check I get the ERROR. Therefore; are the locales really set to C for R CMD check? If yes; why would the example above not work? If no; how could I achieve custom locale settings? Thanks! Tobias -- Tobias Setz Rmetrics Association tobias.s...@rmetrics.org www.rmetrics.org __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
Hi all, I use Luke's :: hoisting trick often. I think it would be fantastic if the JIT just did that for you. The main trouble, for me, is in code I don't own. When common Bioconductor packages are loaded many, many base functions are saddled with this substantial dispatch and :: overhead. While we have the hood up, the parser could help out a bit here too. It already has special cases for :: and :::. Currently you get the symbols pkg and name and have to go fishing in the calling environment for the associated values. It would be nice to have the parser or JIT rewrite base::match as doubleColon(base,match) or directly provide the symbols base and match to the subsequent code. I think it's also kind of entertaining that the comments in base/R/namespace.R note that they are using ::: for speed purposes only. Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Michael Lawrence lawrence.mich...@gene.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:44 AM, luke-tier...@uiowa.edu wrote: For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an environment. We had considered that, but we thought the definition of the function would be easier to interpret if it explicitly specified the namespace, instead of using tricks with environments. The same applies for memoizing the lookup in front of a loop. The implementation of these functions is almost simpler in C than it is in R, so there is relatively little risk to this change. But I agree the benefits are also somewhat minor. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say in a loop, I would do foo_bar - foo::bar and use foo_bar, or something along those lines. When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the performance further e.g. through cacheing. Best, luke On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote: Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- Luke Tierney Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386 Department of Statistics andFax: 319-335-3017 Actuarial Science 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
[Rd] Programming Tools CTV
I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
if I want to use foo::bar many times, say
in a loop, I would do
foo_bar - foo::bar
and use foo_bar, or something along those lines.
The foreach package does that with a function from the compiler package,
so that foreach can work on old version of R:
comp - if (getRversion() 2.13.0) {
function(expr, ...) expr
} else {
compiler::compile
}
This results in foreach having its own copy of compiler::compile, with
namespace compiler, but copied from the version of package:compile
existing on the machine that built the binary of foreach. If you later
install
an updated version of the compiler package, then foreach still uses the old
compiler::compile, which may not work with the private functions in
the new version of package:compiler.
Making :: faster would not fix this particular problem (making 'comp' a
function that contained the if(getRVersion...) code would), but things
like this could cause problems when more people put 'myFunc -
otherPackage::Func'
in their packages.
Bill Dunlap
TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:44 AM, luke-tier...@uiowa.edu wrote:
I'm not convinced that how to make :: faster is the right question. If
you are finding foo::bar being called often enough to matter to your
overall performance then to me the question is: why are you calling
foo::bar more than once? Making :: a bit faster by making it a
primitive will remove some overhead, but your are still left with a
lot of work that shouldn't need to happen more than once.
For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the
default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an
environment. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say
in a loop, I would do
foo_bar - foo::bar
and use foo_bar, or something along those lines.
When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for
reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still
really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just
encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments
for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in
ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced
otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a
SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code
compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the
performance further e.g. through cacheing.
Best,
luke
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote:
Hi all,
When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the
function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to
such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function
itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it
turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R.
What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I
have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug
tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134).
I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Regards,
Pete
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Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
I'm not convinced that how to make :: faster is the right question. If you are finding foo::bar being called often enough to matter to your overall performance then to me the question is: why are you calling foo::bar more than once? Making :: a bit faster by making it a primitive will remove some overhead, but your are still left with a lot of work that shouldn't need to happen more than once. For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an environment. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say in a loop, I would do foo_bar - foo::bar and use foo_bar, or something along those lines. When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the performance further e.g. through cacheing. Best, luke On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote: Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- Luke Tierney Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386 Department of Statistics andFax: 319-335-3017 Actuarial Science 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
I second the motion for a Programming Tools CRAN Task View. I would also think it could contain things like Rcpp, R6, etc. -Greg On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Max Kuhn mxk...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Max, thanks for the suggestion. We had a somewhat related proposal on R-help from Luca Braglia a couple of months ago, suggesting a Package Development task view: https://mailman.stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-July/069454.html He put up some ideas on Github: https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView When Luca asked me (ctv maintainer) and Dirk (HPC task view maintainer) for feedback off-list, I replied that it is important that task views are focused in order to be useful and maintainable. My feeling was that PackageDevelopment was too broad and also ProgrammingTools is still too board, I think. This could mean a lot of things/tools to a lot of people. But maybe it would be to factor out some aspect that is sharp and clear(er)? Or split it up into bits where there are (more or less) objectively clear criteria for what goes in and what does not? It's funny that you said that. As I was updating the RR CTV, it realized what a beast it is right now. I thought about making a github project earlier today that would have more detailed examples and information. I see two problems with that as the *sole* solution. First, it is divorced from CRAN CTV and that is a place that people know and will look. I had no idea of Luca's work for this exact reason. Secondly, might be intimidating for new R users who, I think, are the targeted cohort for the CTVs. Yes, I agree. There should (an) additional task view(s) on CRAN related to this. How about a relatively broad definition that is succinct in content with a link to a github repos? I think this doesn't fit well with the existing development model and might require duplicating changes in the packagelist of the task view. In order to be easily installable I need the packagelist in the task view on CRAN and not just in the linked list on Github. Therefore, I would suggest splitting up the topic into things that are fairly sharp and clear. (Of course, it is impossible to avoid overlap completely.) For example, one could add LanguageInterfaces or something like that. And the task views on CRAN can always include links to further documentation on Github and elsewhere. Especially when it comes to package development there are also clearly different preferences about what is good style or the right tools (say Github vs. R-Forge, knitr vs. Sweave, etc.) Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:44 PM, luke-tier...@uiowa.edu wrote: I'm not convinced that how to make :: faster is the right question. If you are finding foo::bar being called often enough to matter to your overall performance then to me the question is: why are you calling foo::bar more than once? Making :: a bit faster by making it a primitive will remove some overhead, but your are still left with a lot of work that shouldn't need to happen more than once. For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an environment. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say in a loop, I would do foo_bar - foo::bar and use foo_bar, or something along those lines. When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the performance further e.g. through cacheing. I think you will find that no matter how much it does not matter in terms of performance, folks will avoid :: out of principle if they think its slower. We're conditioned to write efficient code even when it does not really impact real world usage. As using :: is good practice in many contexts, making it fast will encourage folks to use it. THK Best, luke On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote: Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- Luke Tierney Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386 Department of Statistics andFax: 319-335-3017 Actuarial Science 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- http://www.keittlab.org/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:44 AM, luke-tier...@uiowa.edu wrote: I'm not convinced that how to make :: faster is the right question. If you are finding foo::bar being called often enough to matter to your overall performance then to me the question is: why are you calling foo::bar more than once? Making :: a bit faster by making it a primitive will remove some overhead, but your are still left with a lot of work that shouldn't need to happen more than once. For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an environment. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say in a loop, I would do foo_bar - foo::bar and use foo_bar, or something along those lines. While you're on the line: Do you think this is an optimization that the 'compiler' package and it's cmpfun() byte compiler will be able to do in the future? /Henrik When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the performance further e.g. through cacheing. Best, luke On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote: Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- Luke Tierney Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386 Department of Statistics andFax: 319-335-3017 Actuarial Science 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Max, thanks for the suggestion. We had a somewhat related proposal on R-help from Luca Braglia a couple of months ago, suggesting a Package Development task view: https://mailman.stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-July/069454.html He put up some ideas on Github: https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView When Luca asked me (ctv maintainer) and Dirk (HPC task view maintainer) for feedback off-list, I replied that it is important that task views are focused in order to be useful and maintainable. My feeling was that PackageDevelopment was too broad and also ProgrammingTools is still too board, I think. This could mean a lot of things/tools to a lot of people. But maybe it would be to factor out some aspect that is sharp and clear(er)? Or split it up into bits where there are (more or less) objectively clear criteria for what goes in and what does not? It's funny that you said that. As I was updating the RR CTV, it realized what a beast it is right now. I thought about making a github project earlier today that would have more detailed examples and information. I see two problems with that as the *sole* solution. First, it is divorced from CRAN CTV and that is a place that people know and will look. I had no idea of Luca's work for this exact reason. Secondly, might be intimidating for new R users who, I think, are the targeted cohort for the CTVs. Yes, I agree. There should (an) additional task view(s) on CRAN related to this. How about a relatively broad definition that is succinct in content with a link to a github repos? I think this doesn't fit well with the existing development model and might require duplicating changes in the packagelist of the task view. In order to be easily installable I need the packagelist in the task view on CRAN and not just in the linked list on Github. Many of the task views are encyclopedic and still focused. Perhaps my issues with RR are more related to how I currently organize it. I'll try to solve it that way. Therefore, I would suggest splitting up the topic into things that are fairly sharp and clear. (Of course, it is impossible to avoid overlap completely.) For example, one could add LanguageInterfaces or something like that. Looking at Luca's page, I think he does a great job of clustering packages. My suggestions for focused topics are: - Package Development* - Foreign Languages Interfaces - Code Analysis and Debugging - Profiling and Benchmarking - Unit Testing * I would define the first one to be more narrow than the original definition. I think that most of these would encompass less than 10 packages if we don't include all the Rcpp depends =] And the task views on CRAN can always include links to further documentation on Github and elsewhere. Especially when it comes to package development there are also clearly different preferences about what is good style or the right tools (say Github vs. R-Forge, knitr vs. Sweave, etc.) Yes. The comments above would not exclude this approach, which is/was/might be my intention for RR. Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
Hi, this summer, after few mails on this list, i started something similar (feeling the same need)... here is the repo https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView Currently it's quite freezed since i'm working on other projects in my free software spare time (and likely i won't return to it) but could be a starting point for someone else interested. Best, Luca PS in the case, following some mails with Dirk and Achim, HPC stuff a-la Rcpp and friends should not be copied from Dirk's stuff, better pointing... it was in my mental TODO 2015-01-22 18:23 GMT+01:00 Gregory R. Warnes g...@warnes.net: I second the motion for a Programming Tools CRAN Task View. I would also think it could contain things like Rcpp, R6, etc. -Greg On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Max Kuhn mxk...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Max, thanks for the suggestion. We had a somewhat related proposal on R-help from Luca Braglia a couple of months ago, suggesting a Package Development task view: https://mailman.stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-July/069454.html He put up some ideas on Github: https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView When Luca asked me (ctv maintainer) and Dirk (HPC task view maintainer) for feedback off-list, I replied that it is important that task views are focused in order to be useful and maintainable. My feeling was that PackageDevelopment was too broad and also ProgrammingTools is still too board, I think. This could mean a lot of things/tools to a lot of people. But maybe it would be to factor out some aspect that is sharp and clear(er)? Or split it up into bits where there are (more or less) objectively clear criteria for what goes in and what does not? Best, Z Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Max Kuhn mxk...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Thanks for your work on this. May I suggest a Git/GitHub repository for this? That lowers the barriers for contributions substantially, e.g. either via issues but even better via pull requests (== point'n'click for you). If you need to mirror/push it to an SVN repository, I'm sure that's pretty easy to do (and likely also to automate). /Henrik PS. Sorry, I'm not volunteering; too much on my plate. Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Max, thanks for the suggestion. We had a somewhat related proposal on R-help from Luca Braglia a couple of months ago, suggesting a Package Development task view: https://mailman.stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-July/069454.html He put up some ideas on Github: https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView When Luca asked me (ctv maintainer) and Dirk (HPC task view maintainer) for feedback off-list, I replied that it is important that task views are focused in order to be useful and maintainable. My feeling was that PackageDevelopment was too broad and also ProgrammingTools is still too board, I think. This could mean a lot of things/tools to a lot of people. But maybe it would be to factor out some aspect that is sharp and clear(er)? Or split it up into bits where there are (more or less) objectively clear criteria for what goes in and what does not? It's funny that you said that. As I was updating the RR CTV, it realized what a beast it is right now. I thought about making a github project earlier today that would have more detailed examples and information. I see two problems with that as the *sole* solution. First, it is divorced from CRAN CTV and that is a place that people know and will look. I had no idea of Luca's work for this exact reason. Secondly, might be intimidating for new R users who, I think, are the targeted cohort for the CTVs. How about a relatively broad definition that is succinct in content with a link to a github repos? Thanks, Max __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] :: and ::: as .Primitives?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:44 AM, luke-tier...@uiowa.edu wrote: For default methods there ought to be a way to create those so the default method is computed at creation or load time and stored in an environment. We had considered that, but we thought the definition of the function would be easier to interpret if it explicitly specified the namespace, instead of using tricks with environments. The same applies for memoizing the lookup in front of a loop. The implementation of these functions is almost simpler in C than it is in R, so there is relatively little risk to this change. But I agree the benefits are also somewhat minor. For other cases if I want to use foo::bar many times, say in a loop, I would do foo_bar - foo::bar and use foo_bar, or something along those lines. When :: and ::: were introduce they were intended primarily for reflection and debugging, so speed was not an issue. ::: is still really only reliably usable that way, and making it faster may just encourage bad practice. :: is different and there are good arguments for using it in code, but I'm not yet seeing good arguments for use in ways that would be performance-critical, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. If there is a need for a faster :: then going to a SPECIALSXP is fine; it would also be good to make the byte code compiler aware of it, and possibly to work on ways to improve the performance further e.g. through cacheing. Best, luke On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Peter Haverty wrote: Hi all, When S4 methods are defined on base function (say, match), the function becomes a method with the body base::match(x,y). A call to such a function often spends more time doing :: than in the function itself. I always assumed that :: was a very low-level thing, but it turns out to be a plain old function defined in base/R/namespace.R. What would you all think about making :: and ::: .Primitives? I have submitted some examples, timings, and a patch to the R bug tracker (https://bugs.r-project.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16134). I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Pete Peter M. Haverty, Ph.D. Genentech, Inc. phave...@gene.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel -- Luke Tierney Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386 Department of Statistics andFax: 319-335-3017 Actuarial Science 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] Programming Tools CTV
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Achim Zeileis achim.zeil...@uibk.ac.at wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Max Kuhn wrote: I've had a lot of requests for additions to the reproducible research task view that fall into a grey area (to me at least). For example, roxygen2 is a tool that broadly enable reproducibility but I see it more as a tool for better programming. I'm about to check in a new version of the task view that includes packrat and checkpoint, as they seem closer to reproducible research, but also feel like coding tools. There are a few other packages that many would find useful for better coding: devtools, testthat, lintr, codetools, svTools, rbenchmark, pkgutils, etc. This might be some overlap with the HPC task view. I would think that rJava, Rcpp and the like are better suited there but this is arguable. The last time I proposed something like this, Martin deftly convinced me to be the maintainer. It is probably better for everyone if we avoid that on this occasion. * Does anyone else see the need for this? * What other packages fit into this bin? * Would anyone like to volunteer? Max, thanks for the suggestion. We had a somewhat related proposal on R-help from Luca Braglia a couple of months ago, suggesting a Package Development task view: https://mailman.stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-July/069454.html He put up some ideas on Github: https://github.com/lbraglia/PackageDevelopmentTaskView When Luca asked me (ctv maintainer) and Dirk (HPC task view maintainer) for feedback off-list, I replied that it is important that task views are focused in order to be useful and maintainable. My feeling was that PackageDevelopment was too broad and also ProgrammingTools is still too board, I think. This could mean a lot of things/tools to a lot of people. But maybe it would be to factor out some aspect that is sharp and clear(er)? Or split it up into bits where there are (more or less) objectively clear criteria for what goes in and what does not? It's funny that you said that. As I was updating the RR CTV, it realized what a beast it is right now. I thought about making a github project earlier today that would have more detailed examples and information. I see two problems with that as the *sole* solution. First, it is divorced from CRAN CTV and that is a place that people know and will look. I had no idea of Luca's work for this exact reason. Secondly, might be intimidating for new R users who, I think, are the targeted cohort for the CTVs. Yes, I agree. There should (an) additional task view(s) on CRAN related to this. How about a relatively broad definition that is succinct in content with a link to a github repos? I think this doesn't fit well with the existing development model and might require duplicating changes in the packagelist of the task view. In order to be easily installable I need the packagelist in the task view on CRAN and not just in the linked list on Github. Many of the task views are encyclopedic and still focused. Perhaps my issues with RR are more related to how I currently organize it. I'll try to solve it that way. Therefore, I would suggest splitting up the topic into things that are fairly sharp and clear. (Of course, it is impossible to avoid overlap completely.) For example, one could add LanguageInterfaces or something like that. Looking at Luca's page, I think he does a great job of clustering packages. My suggestions for focused topics are: - Package Development* - Foreign Languages Interfaces - Code Analysis and Debugging - Profiling and Benchmarking - Unit Testing Yes, good suggestions. Now we only need willing maintainers :-) * I would define the first one to be more narrow than the original definition. It's probably still the fuzziest one in the list above. I think that most of these would encompass less than 10 packages if we don't include all the Rcpp depends =] :-) And the task views on CRAN can always include links to further documentation on Github and elsewhere. Especially when it comes to package development there are also clearly different preferences about what is good style or the right tools (say Github vs. R-Forge, knitr vs. Sweave, etc.) Yes. The comments above would not exclude this approach, which is/was/might be my intention for RR. True. thx, Z __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
