Re: [R] Emacs vs Eclipse vs Rcmdr
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so much interested in which is the best user interface for R. Rather which is the best ***platform*** for developing ***new*** user interfaces for R. Noting I'm using the term user interface is a very general sense. (i.e. Can include anything from console/pseudoterminal widgets, to text editors with customised syntax highlighting, to elaborate menus and dialog boxes). Here are my initial thoughts: Emacs Pros: - A lot of computer experts use it. - Plus some high profile R people are involved in the development of ESS. - High level of customisation. Emacs Cons: - Need to know Lisp. - Counter intuitive. - It's really ugly. - No decent widget set (which is probably why it's ugly). Eclipse Pros: - It's kind of fashionable and nice looking. Eclipse Cons: - Unnecessarily complicated. - Need to know SWT (and maybe XML too?). - The process for installing (and finding) add on packages, is terrible. Rcmdr Pros and Cons: - I haven't used it for a long time, so can't really comment. - However, I was surprised by how many reverse dependencies it has. So I will assume it has some potential. Other people's thoughts welcome... Python + Rpy + Widget set of your choice (Qt or wx would be the front-runners) Pros: cross-platform full, mature, and standard widget set easy integration between R and Python can integrate existing code for editing (e.g. Scintilla) I'd say it was a medium-weight solution - you need R, Python, Rpy, and PyQt/wx but they are all open source so you can distribute them with your code or get your users to install them quite easily. There appears to be an effort to make a direct interface to Qt from R: http://qtinterfaces.r-forge.r-project.org/ but that seems to be in a very early stage, but would let you not need Python. Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Emacs vs Eclipse vs Rcmdr
Hello, You can probably add SciViews in the list. There are many, many interesting features in SciViews-K/Komodo for developing new user interfaces rapidly and easily. Unfortunately, there is no documentation yet, and thus, most of the functions remain hidden (but you can play with it and ask questions). Hint: look at Komodo help about snippets, and then explore the R reference toolkit you can install separately. You can download it from http://www.sciviews.org/SciViews-K. Best, Philippe ..°})) ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Prof. Philippe Grosjean ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Numerical Ecology of Aquatic Systems ) ) ) ) ) Mons University, Belgium ( ( ( ( ( .. Barry Rowlingson wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so much interested in which is the best user interface for R. Rather which is the best ***platform*** for developing ***new*** user interfaces for R. Noting I'm using the term user interface is a very general sense. (i.e. Can include anything from console/pseudoterminal widgets, to text editors with customised syntax highlighting, to elaborate menus and dialog boxes). Here are my initial thoughts: Emacs Pros: - A lot of computer experts use it. - Plus some high profile R people are involved in the development of ESS. - High level of customisation. Emacs Cons: - Need to know Lisp. - Counter intuitive. - It's really ugly. - No decent widget set (which is probably why it's ugly). Eclipse Pros: - It's kind of fashionable and nice looking. Eclipse Cons: - Unnecessarily complicated. - Need to know SWT (and maybe XML too?). - The process for installing (and finding) add on packages, is terrible. Rcmdr Pros and Cons: - I haven't used it for a long time, so can't really comment. - However, I was surprised by how many reverse dependencies it has. So I will assume it has some potential. Other people's thoughts welcome... Python + Rpy + Widget set of your choice (Qt or wx would be the front-runners) Pros: cross-platform full, mature, and standard widget set easy integration between R and Python can integrate existing code for editing (e.g. Scintilla) I'd say it was a medium-weight solution - you need R, Python, Rpy, and PyQt/wx but they are all open source so you can distribute them with your code or get your users to install them quite easily. There appears to be an effort to make a direct interface to Qt from R: http://qtinterfaces.r-forge.r-project.org/ but that seems to be in a very early stage, but would let you not need Python. Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Emacs vs Eclipse vs Rcmdr
Hi everyone, I could have posted this on R-devel or the GUI list, however don't feel it's that serious. Hence, decided R-help would be the most appropriate. I'm not so much interested in which is the best user interface for R. Rather which is the best ***platform*** for developing ***new*** user interfaces for R. Noting I'm using the term user interface is a very general sense. (i.e. Can include anything from console/pseudoterminal widgets, to text editors with customised syntax highlighting, to elaborate menus and dialog boxes). Here are my initial thoughts: Emacs Pros: - A lot of computer experts use it. - Plus some high profile R people are involved in the development of ESS. - High level of customisation. Emacs Cons: - Need to know Lisp. - Counter intuitive. - It's really ugly. - No decent widget set (which is probably why it's ugly). Eclipse Pros: - It's kind of fashionable and nice looking. Eclipse Cons: - Unnecessarily complicated. - Need to know SWT (and maybe XML too?). - The process for installing (and finding) add on packages, is terrible. Rcmdr Pros and Cons: - I haven't used it for a long time, so can't really comment. - However, I was surprised by how many reverse dependencies it has. So I will assume it has some potential. Other people's thoughts welcome... kind regards -- Charlotte Maia Open Source Developer and Statistician http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Emacs vs Eclipse vs Rcmdr
Hello On 1/3/10, Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com wrote: Rcmdr Pros and Cons: - I haven't used it for a long time, so can't really comment. - However, I was surprised by how many reverse dependencies it has. So I will assume it has some potential. Rcmdr is probably not the best editor around. However, it is a fairly robust and useful GUI that can be used as a menu-panel to any underlying R terminal, including text editors that can run R (consider using ?Commander start-up options console.output=TRUE and prefixes=c( , + , , ) ). As to the editor choice, I am currently using Geany SVN + Rcmdr (the next Geany release will have the hidden option send_selection_unsafe that allows for quick code execution when set to true and Send selection to terminal bound to a key). Geany is a cross-platform intuitive IDE that understands R files and has an integrated VTE (Terminal) that can run R. Regards Liviu __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
