Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Has anyone noticed something a tad unusual? Someone shows up and seemingly politely asks a totally open-ended question and supplies NO DETTAILS about their personal status and experience that would be needed to tell hem whether it would take various amounts of time for him to learn enough R for whatever purposes. Lots of people jump in and discuss it, and I choose this time to sit and wait and not point out the endless considerations others have nicely contributed. What is missing is not a single polite reply from the original person acknowledging these efforts on his behalf, let alone ANSWERING some of the questions like whether he already has some experience with programming or what he wants to use R for. As such, I am suspicious and won’t get involved with this and suggest others reconsider the need to keep discussing the topic unless it is for their own interest. I have seen this many times now on multiple such boards. Either some people do not understand what is expected, or someone is trolling and just looking to get a reaction. I prefer to deal with more focused questions if someone is asking for help such as what package might help them do a somewhat specific task or why they are getting an error message. A general question like whether R or Python or something else is better for a particular task might also be reasonable. But how long it takes to learn ANYTHING seems to be a very subjective question, let alone something as multi-faceted as a programming language that can be used for so many different things. Just my two cents. I will say it did not take me long to learn a decent amount of R and yet I keep learning and am very far from knowing a fraction of all there is to know and especially not things I have had no reason to know yet. From: jim holtman Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 12:28 PM To: Ebert,Timothy Aaron Cc: Avi Gross ; John Kane ; R. Mailing List Subject: Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language? Still at it after 38 years. First came across S at Bell Labs in 1984. Thanks Jim Holtman Data Munger Guru What is the problem that you are trying to solve? Tell me what you want to do, not how you want to do it. On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:09 AM Ebert,Timothy Aaron mailto:teb...@ufl.edu> > wrote: Learning R takes an hour. Find an hourglass, flip it over. Meanwhile we will start increasing the size of the upper chamber and adding more sand. Mastery of R is an asymptotic function of time. While such answers might indicate trying for mastery is futile, you can learn enough R to be very useful long before "mastery." Tim -Original Message- From: R-help mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org> > On Behalf Of Avi Gross Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 5:51 PM To: John Kane mailto:jrkrid...@gmail.com> > Cc: R. Mailing List mailto:r-help@r-project.org> > Subject: Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language? [External Email] So is the proper R answer simply Inf? On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:39 PM John Kane mailto:jrkrid...@gmail.com> > wrote: > + 1 > > On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Jim Lemon <mailto:drjimle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not > > sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > > > > Jim > > > > __ > > R-help@r-project.org <mailto:R-help@r-project.org> mailing list -- To > > UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fst > > at.ethz.ch <http://at.ethz.ch> > > %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%4 > > 0ufl.edu <http://0ufl.edu> > > %7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a > > 62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJW > > IjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 > > 0%7C%7C%7Csdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3 > > Dreserved=0 > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww > > .r-project.org <http://r-project.org> > > %2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl. > > edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331 > > e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM > > C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C% > > 7C%7Csdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3D > > ;reserved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, > > reproducible code. > > > > > -- > John Kane > Kingston ON Canada > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Still at it after 38 years. First came across S at Bell Labs in 1984. Thanks Jim Holtman *Data Munger Guru* *What is the problem that you are trying to solve?Tell me what you want to do, not how you want to do it.* On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:09 AM Ebert,Timothy Aaron wrote: > Learning R takes an hour. Find an hourglass, flip it over. Meanwhile we > will start increasing the size of the upper chamber and adding more sand. > > Mastery of R is an asymptotic function of time. > > While such answers might indicate trying for mastery is futile, you can > learn enough R to be very useful long before "mastery." > > Tim > -Original Message- > From: R-help On Behalf Of Avi Gross > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 5:51 PM > To: John Kane > Cc: R. Mailing List > Subject: Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > > [External Email] > > So is the proper R answer simply Inf? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:39 PM John Kane wrote: > > > + 1 > > > > On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Jim Lemon wrote: > > > > > Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not > > > sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > __ > > > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fst > > > at.ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%4 > > > 0ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a > > > 62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJW > > > IjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 > > > 0%7C%7C%7Csdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3 > > > Dreserved=0 > > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww > > > .r-project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl. > > > edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331 > > > e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM > > > C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C% > > > 7C%7Csdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3D > > > ;reserved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, > > > reproducible code. > > > > > > > > > -- > > John Kane > > Kingston ON Canada > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > __ > > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstat > > .ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl > > .edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e > > 1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w > > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > > sdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3Dreserv > > ed=0 > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r > > -project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu% > > 7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84% > > 7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM > > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > > sdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3Dreserved=0 > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstat.ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3Dreserved=0 > PLEASE do read the posting guide > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r-project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Learning R takes an hour. Find an hourglass, flip it over. Meanwhile we will start increasing the size of the upper chamber and adding more sand. Mastery of R is an asymptotic function of time. While such answers might indicate trying for mastery is futile, you can learn enough R to be very useful long before "mastery." Tim -Original Message- From: R-help On Behalf Of Avi Gross Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 5:51 PM To: John Kane Cc: R. Mailing List Subject: Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language? [External Email] So is the proper R answer simply Inf? On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:39 PM John Kane wrote: > + 1 > > On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Jim Lemon wrote: > > > Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not > > sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > > > > Jim > > > > __ > > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fst > > at.ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%4 > > 0ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a > > 62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJW > > IjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 > > 0%7C%7C%7Csdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3 > > Dreserved=0 > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww > > .r-project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl. > > edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331 > > e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM > > C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C% > > 7C%7Csdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3D > > ;reserved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, > > reproducible code. > > > > > -- > John Kane > Kingston ON Canada > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstat > .ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl > .edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e > 1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > sdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3Dreserv > ed=0 > PLEASE do read the posting guide > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r > -project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu% > 7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84% > 7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > sdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3Dreserved=0 > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstat.ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-helpdata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=8KNANsIMtWiElOAwn9pXvx%2BsueyNn329VkvFFx8Paew%3Dreserved=0 PLEASE do read the posting guide https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r-project.org%2Fposting-guide.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C7229f6c17d764bd2742c08daa19bb65b%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C63787396320713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=32nVjz3UeC4QK7dd2PHA76BywkYQP9ucuN%2FWFFAUX8k%3Dreserved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
I am still learning it 20yrs in. Doesn't stop me from plowing on with interesting problems, though. On September 28, 2022 2:36:14 PM PDT, Jim Lemon wrote: >Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not >sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > >Jim > >__ >R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
So is the proper R answer simply Inf? On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:39 PM John Kane wrote: > + 1 > > On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Jim Lemon wrote: > > > Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not > > sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > > > > Jim > > > > __ > > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > > -- > John Kane > Kingston ON Canada > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
+ 1 On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Jim Lemon wrote: > Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not > sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. > > Jim > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > -- John Kane Kingston ON Canada [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Given some of the questions that are posted to this list, I am not sure that there is an upper bound to the estimate. Jim __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
The length of time it takes to learn R is dependent on what you want to use R for. Let's assume you want to use R to perform basic statistical analyses on your own. IMHO, the best book for self-study for this is Andy Field's book, Discovering Statistics using R, It's the best book because it gives you all the necessary background for using basic statistical tests and the associated R scripts needed to perform them. You might also want to consider Winston Chang's The R Graphics Cookbook, statistical analyses often need graphs to illustrate the data. This is the best book to teach you this because it gives you all the necessary R scripts to achieve this. The learning curve for learning basic statistical analyses using R is steep relative to SPSS and Minitab. SPSS and Minitab use GUIs to easily guide the user to the desired statistical analysis. Typically the user does not have to write commands to do this. R does offer R Commander which has a GUI to guide the user to data input, graphing and statistical analyses. You may find this useful. I suspect that as you become more comfortable using R, you will become less dependent on R Commander for your analyses. Hope this helps! Thomas Subia __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
How long does it take to learn R? Meaningless question. Who is learning? Are they new to programming? What other programming languages do they know? Are they new to statistics? What other statistics environments do they know? Are they learning by themselves? Do they have a mentor? Fellow students? Which textbooks are they using? I found R very easy to learn, but I was already familiar with dozens of programming languages and the SPSS, GLIM, and Genstat statistics environments, so my experience will probably mean nothing for you. The R *language* can be thought of as covering several different things: (1) Basic R *DATA STRUCTURES*. By this I mean logical, integer, real, complex and character vectors and arrays (R doesn't actually have scalars) and lists. This is where R differs most from most other programming languages except (S of course and) APL and perhaps Matlab. (2) R *CONTROL STRUCTURES*. The syntax of R and how you write functions in R. R looks a lot like C/Java/Perl except where it doesn't, and the most different aspect of R here is function parameters (which resemble Lisp) and the way parameters are passed. (3) How R data structures are EXTENDED. The S3 and S4 "object" systems. Some of the things like data frames, dates and times, time series, models, and so on built on these. (4) Reflection and namespaces. At this point, you could be said to have mastered the R *language*. It is not a big or complex language. It's much simpler than C++ or C#. However, R comes with a range of testing and documentation tools. And there is a DAUNTING range of packages for an astounding range of statistical and graphical applications. This is actually my plan for learning any programming language: - basic data structures - basic control structures - basic debugging techniques - data structure extension methods - control structure extension methods - testing and documentation tools A word about existing code bases. R code tends to be written by people with a great deal of knowledge and insight about the algorithms they are coding and the applications they are coding for. R encourages the development of good documentation for people who are USING the code, with examples and vignettes and all that. However, most of the people are NOT software engineers and are not writing code with the dominant idea that someone else will have to come to understand the inner workings of the code well enough to maintain it without them. (This is also true of pretty much all the Java and C# code I've ever seen, which is too much of it.) If you look at an existing package and find it hard to understand, that doesn't necessarily mean you haven't learned enough yet. Maybe it just *is* hard to understand because it was written to be useful, not to be educational. On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 04:13, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming < c...@teo-en-ming-corp.com> wrote: > Subject: How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > > Good day from Singapore, > > How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > > Is it easy? Is there a steep learning curve? > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > Targeted Individual in Singapore > Blogs: > https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com > https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 11:14:57 +0800 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Subject: How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > > Good day from Singapore, > > How long does it take to learn the R programming language? How long is a piece of string? :-) cheers, Rolf Turner -- Honorary Research Fellow Department of Statistics University of Auckland Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Can I nominate this for a fortune entry?
:-)
On 27/09/2022 18:44, Rui Barradas wrote:
I don't know if this is true but it is said that once you are
comfortable with help("lapply"), you've made it.
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Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Q: How long does it take to learn English? A: You never finish... the real question is what do you need to do and can you do that, and you have to ask yourself that. Everyone tackles it at their own pace. On September 25, 2022 8:14:57 PM PDT, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: >Subject: How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > >Good day from Singapore, > >How long does it take to learn the R programming language? > >Is it easy? Is there a steep learning curve? > >Thank you. > >Regards, > >Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming >Targeted Individual in Singapore >Blogs: >https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com >https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com > >__ >R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
It depends on what you mean by learn, and the final goal. It also depends on
your starting point. "Computer literacy" is poorly defined. Finally, it depends
on the quality of instruction, your innate ability to learn this skill, and the
time you can devote to this task. You will be able to write your first code in
a few minutes. Being able to write a package for inclusion in CRAN might take
years. The learning curve can be steep, or appear that way, if you must learn R
from a poorly written textbook with no outside help. High quality instruction
building knowledge in a systematic way can lessen the curve, but there is still
a great deal of content to learn.
Tim
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> How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
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> Is it easy?
The basics, yes.
Is there a steep learning curve?
Right after the basics, yes, for a (short?) while.
I don't know if this is true but it is said that once you are comfortable with
help("lapply"), you've made it.
Hope this helps,
Rui Barradas
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Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
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Subject: How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Good day from Singapore,
How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
Is it easy?
The basics, yes.
Is there a steep learning curve?
Right after the basics, yes, for a (short?) while.
I don't know if this is true but it is said that once you are
comfortable with help("lapply"), you've made it.
Hope this helps,
Rui Barradas
Thank you.
Regards,
Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore
Blogs:
https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com
https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com
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Re: [R] How long does it take to learn the R programming language?
The basics can be learnt in a short time. The easiest way I found and have
used to train a number in my team is to use the R library Swirl as a
walkthrough. https://swirlstats.com/
Basically
>install.packages("swirl")
>library("swirl")
>swirl()
... and then follow the on-screen guide.
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