Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
Thanks to everyone who replied to my post. One person indicated that this question treads on dangerous terrain. I had that sense too but really wanted to know how many packages might not be free in the sense that they could be used at no cost by everyone. I was a little disappointed to learn that there are packages that are free for some people but not for others. But I understand that it's not me who has put time and effort into developing the base software or the various add-on packages. And so clearly it's up to others who have put in the time and effort to make those decisions. Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Peter Dalgaard wrote: On 10/02/2010 07:38 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. I believe the CRAN policy is just that: Freely redistributable. Free Software usually means something else: Free usage and modification. I am sure that is the intention, but a few packages have changed their licence terms since they were accepted. 'mclust' and 'optmatch' are two, and they are not currently 'freely redistributable'. One main issue is code licensed free for non-commercial usage or academic usage, which are not Free Software. However, CRAN being a repository with many academic users, it does serve a purpose to distribute them for research purposes. [Long discussion omitted of whether that sort of license was ever a good idea] I've not seen in this thread mention of the Licencse/FOSS filter and option 'checkPackageLicense' - see the help on available.packages() and options() respectively. These do enable people to work within the subset of packages 'known to be Free or Open Source'. -- Peter Dalgaard Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax: +44 1865 272595 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On 01.10.2010 23:58, Paul Miller wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Are you talking about CRAN packages? If so, looking into the license information of the repository shows which have standard licenses such as GPL and which licenses are special. Just take a look, e.g. starting with download.file(http://cran.R-project.org/web/packages/packages.rds;, packages.rds, mode=wb) x - .readRDS(packages.rds) x - x[!duplicated(x[,1]),] table(x[,License]) Best, Uwe Ligges Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Paul Miller pjmiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Does anyone have any information about this? Looking at cran2deb [1] you can get an idea of the CRAN packages that may qualify for Debian's restrictive notion of 'free'. Regards Liviu [1] http://debian.cran.r-project.org/latest_packages.html __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. Thanks, Spencer On 10/2/2010 9:42 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote: On 01.10.2010 23:58, Paul Miller wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Are you talking about CRAN packages? If so, looking into the license information of the repository shows which have standard licenses such as GPL and which licenses are special. Just take a look, e.g. starting with download.file(http://cran.R-project.org/web/packages/packages.rds;, packages.rds, mode=wb) x - .readRDS(packages.rds) x - x[!duplicated(x[,1]),] table(x[,License]) Best, Uwe Ligges Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Operating Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On 02.10.2010 19:38, Spencer Graves wrote: Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? Oh dear, dangerous terrain Yes, there are some non-free packages on CRAN according to the terminology used by the Free Software Foundation. One example was already given in the original question: mclust. Just read its license file. Best wishes, Uwe I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. Thanks, Spencer On 10/2/2010 9:42 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote: On 01.10.2010 23:58, Paul Miller wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Are you talking about CRAN packages? If so, looking into the license information of the repository shows which have standard licenses such as GPL and which licenses are special. Just take a look, e.g. starting with download.file(http://cran.R-project.org/web/packages/packages.rds;, packages.rds, mode=wb) x - .readRDS(packages.rds) x - x[!duplicated(x[,1]),] table(x[,License]) Best, Uwe Ligges Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 10:38:22AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote: Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? Lots. Also notice that 'free' means more than redistribution. I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely That's the trouble with assumptions. distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. Take http://debian.cran.r-project.org/banned_packages.html as a first start. It;s out of date as cran2deb is being rebuilt but there are all sorts of nastinesses. Some UW packages (mclust et al) have non-free licenses that are academic-only (and hence discriminate on use making them non-free). KU Leuven in Belgium and CSIRO in Australia prohibit commercial use ... Lots of bad examples. But given a universe of 2500+ packages, not entirely surprising that some differ. (The web page comingles unsuitable licenses with other reasons for not building packages such as dependency of external libraries or BioC.) Dirk Thanks, Spencer On 10/2/2010 9:42 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote: On 01.10.2010 23:58, Paul Miller wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Are you talking about CRAN packages? If so, looking into the license information of the repository shows which have standard licenses such as GPL and which licenses are special. Just take a look, e.g. starting with download.file(http://cran.R-project.org/web/packages/packages.rds;, packages.rds, mode=wb) x - .readRDS(packages.rds) x - x[!duplicated(x[,1]),] table(x[,License]) Best, Uwe Ligges Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Operating Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Three out of two people have difficulties with fractions. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
Thanks. Spencer On 10/2/2010 10:51 AM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 10:38:22AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote: Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? Lots. Also notice that 'free' means more than redistribution. I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely That's the trouble with assumptions. distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. Take http://debian.cran.r-project.org/banned_packages.html as a first start. It;s out of date as cran2deb is being rebuilt but there are all sorts of nastinesses. Some UW packages (mclust et al) have non-free licenses that are academic-only (and hence discriminate on use making them non-free). KU Leuven in Belgium and CSIRO in Australia prohibit commercial use ... Lots of bad examples. But given a universe of 2500+ packages, not entirely surprising that some differ. (The web page comingles unsuitable licenses with other reasons for not building packages such as dependency of external libraries or BioC.) Dirk Thanks, Spencer On 10/2/2010 9:42 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote: On 01.10.2010 23:58, Paul Miller wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Are you talking about CRAN packages? If so, looking into the license information of the repository shows which have standard licenses such as GPL and which licenses are special. Just take a look, e.g. starting with download.file(http://cran.R-project.org/web/packages/packages.rds;, packages.rds, mode=wb) x- .readRDS(packages.rds) x- x[!duplicated(x[,1]),] table(x[,License]) Best, Uwe Ligges Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
On 10/02/2010 07:38 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: Is there anything on CRAN that is NOT free? I assumed that CRAN had a policy of not accepting anything that could not be freely distributed, but I could not find any such statement in a quick search. The code by Uwe identified 52 packages with file LICENCE or file LICENSE, plus others with combinations of something like GPL with file LICENCE or file LICENSE. I believe the CRAN policy is just that: Freely redistributable. Free Software usually means something else: Free usage and modification. One main issue is code licensed free for non-commercial usage or academic usage, which are not Free Software. However, CRAN being a repository with many academic users, it does serve a purpose to distribute them for research purposes. [Long discussion omitted of whether that sort of license was ever a good idea] -- Peter Dalgaard Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] How many R packages are not free?
Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] How many R packages are not free?
http://depts.washington.edu/uwc4c/express-licenses/files/view/license/35/ http://depts.washington.edu/uwc4c/express-licenses/files/view/license/35/Only Revolution charges (but they have atleast 5 packages by now) apart from enhanced core libraries. Rattle has a commercial version as well _it is a R GUI Rattle can be purchased on DVD as a standalone installation for $500USD ($560AUD), http://rattle.togaware.com/sales.html http://inferenceforr.com/purchase/default.aspx sells for 199$ Websites- http://decisionstats.com http://dudeofdata.com Linkedin- www.linkedin.com/in/ajayohri On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Paul Miller pjmiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Just finished reading A Handbook of Statistical Analyses using R by Everitt and Hothorn. I'll begin by saying that I quite liked the book. It's both little and mighty in the sense that it's very compact but contains a tremendous amount of useful material. The last chapter of the book deals with cluster analysis. There's a package used in this chapter (I believe that it's called mclust) that charges an annual fee to non-academics. I did a little digging and found out that the annual cost for some one like me would be $100 but it would cost more for people in large companies. This isn't exactly outrageous but got me to wondering how many other packages might not be free. I searched online but didn't find much. Does anyone have any information about this? Thanks, Paul [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
