Re: [R] Interpreting Q-Q Plots

2012-05-15 Thread Keith Jewell

On 14/05/2012 23:21, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012, Peter Alspach wrote:

Probably highly skewed to the right, with discrete values (perhaps 
due to

the limitations in the accuracy of the assessment equipment).


Peter,

  Most of these data are near zero or the lower detection limit. A few
values are very much higher. I didn't think of skewness as a reason.


 But note:

library(fortunes)
fortune('chicken')


  And since I don't have the experience, the only way to gain it is by
learning from those with practice reading chicken entrails.

Thanks,

Rich

I found this page helpful 
http://www.cms.murdoch.edu.au/areas/maths/statsnotes/samplestats/qqplot.html


HTH

Keith J

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[R] Interpreting Q-Q Plots

2012-05-14 Thread Rich Shepard

  My understanding of Q-Q plots is that if the tails of the plotted points
fall above or below the x=y line the distribution of observed/measured
values is under or over dispersed. But, how do I interpret measured values
that are in horizontal lines? The attached plot illustrates this situation.

TIA,

Rich

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Re: [R] Interpreting Q-Q Plots

2012-05-14 Thread Peter Alspach
Tena koe Rich

Probably highly skewed to the right, with discrete values (perhaps due to the 
limitations in the accuracy of the assessment equipment).  But note:

library(fortunes)
fortune('chicken')

HTH .

Peter Alspach

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   My understanding of Q-Q plots is that if the tails of the plotted points 
fall above or below the x=y line the distribution of observed/measured values 
is under or over dispersed. But, how do I interpret measured values that are in 
horizontal lines? The attached plot illustrates this situation.

TIA,

Rich

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Re: [R] Interpreting Q-Q Plots

2012-05-14 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 15 May 2012, Peter Alspach wrote:


Probably highly skewed to the right, with discrete values (perhaps due to
the limitations in the accuracy of the assessment equipment).


Peter,

  Most of these data are near zero or the lower detection limit. A few
values are very much higher. I didn't think of skewness as a reason.


 But note:

library(fortunes)
fortune('chicken')


  And since I don't have the experience, the only way to gain it is by
learning from those with practice reading chicken entrails.

Thanks,

Rich

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Re: [R] Interpreting Q-Q Plots

2012-05-14 Thread S Ellison
And since I don't have the experience, the only way to gain it is by
  learning from those with practice reading chicken entrails.
This can be hard on the chicken population.

Try comparing QQ plots for simulated random data from different distributions 
with something more immediately interpretable on the measurement scale,  such 
as dot plots, box plots and density plots. That should add up to a fair bit of 
experience quite quickly. 

#Example
par(mfrow=c(1,2))
qqnorm(x-rlnorm(200, 1,0.5))
qqline(x)
plot(density(x))

qqnorm(x-rnorm(200, sample(c(0,4), 200, replace=TRUE))) #bimodal
qqline(x)
plot(density(x))


and so on.

Notice that qqnorm's vertical scale by defult corresponds to the horizontal 
scale in density plots and stripcharts. I personally prefer datax=TRUE, but 
really that's only a choice about whether to face north or east when reading 
the entrails.

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