[R] License question
Hi, Our company is interested of using R in our project. We want to have an optional module in our product which calls R functions (using its API). However we do not distribute R and the users who wish to use that module have to install and configure R themselves. The module that contains calls to R comes with free source code. The product is not free itself and no source code is provided for other components (which do not use R). Does your license allow us to do this? Regards, David Haykazyan OneMarketData LLC [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License question
On 3/18/2009 11:16 AM, David Haykazyan wrote: Hi, Our company is interested of using R in our project. We want to have an optional module in our product which calls R functions (using its API). However we do not distribute R and the users who wish to use that module have to install and configure R themselves. The module that contains calls to R comes with free source code. The product is not free itself and no source code is provided for other components (which do not use R). Does your license allow us to do this? R is as a whole licensed under the GPL version 2 (with a few parts licensed differently; see RHOME/doc/COPYRIGHT for details). There are many copyright holders, and asking in a mailing list like this will not contact all of them. In fact, as far as I know, there is no easy way to contact all of them. You are going to have to rely on your own legal advice about whether your usage is GPL compatible, because if it is not, you are unlikely to be able to negotiate an exception. Duncan Murdoch Regards, David Haykazyan OneMarketData LLC [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
Just remember that the Linux kernel is also licensed under GPL v2. I am not sure if you pay for your Linux distribution. But for many gov sites and for my copy of Linux, they just use Linux as a completely free product -- in the sense that no money needs to be paid to a company or anyone. However, if you want support for R, then you can get it on this list, or you can pay someone for it. --Chi On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R is licensed under the GPL version 2, a pretty common license. You should be able to get legal advice on it internally at your company. If you ask on a forum like this, you'll get lots of advice, but some of it will likely be wrong. I don't want to add to that, so I won't give any other than ask internally. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
Hi Duncan,
Yes we do follow the legal terms very carefully and make sure our general
counsel reviews all these stuff.
To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS.
When users ask us about 'R license', it usually refers to potential hidden
costs. However you are right that explaining the GPL terms is paramount.
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From: Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, October 27, 2008 6:59 pm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Katrin,
R is completely free - no License. We've built a supported user friendly
version: R-PLUS
This statement is not correct. R is licensed under the GPL. This is a
free software license, but it is not the same as having no license.
There are obligations under the GPL that anyone who distributes GPL'd
software should be aware of.
Does XL Solutions distribute R? Does it follow its obligations under
the GPL?
Duncan Murdoch
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--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From: Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [R] License Question
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM
Dear All,
I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University
of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar
AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any
license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any
fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this
in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal
language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers?
Thanks for you help kind regards,
Katrin Freiberger
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2008/10/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS. But your web site claims, in big capital letters, that R-plus is THE REAL R. If you are not distributing R (the real real R, (c) The R Foundation), then this could be construed as false advertising. So I'm guessing that R-plus must be an add-on to the real real R, in which case you can't distribute R with R-plus under a non-free license. You can unbundle it though, and tell your users to 'first go get R'. I can't find an installation guide or a decent FAQ that confirms this. As a non-lawyer, I'd advise you to remove 'The Real R' from the web site and instead put 'Works With The Real R'. And explain this in the FAQ. And give a link to www.r-project.org. Oh, btw, I'd fix your blog links: go to: http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act and click a screenshot... Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
David Smith wrote: Hi Tom, We're in the process of updating the information on our website for academic users, but in general we're making RPro available to academic users free of charge. I'm just gathering the information from the department in charge of the academic program, and I'll make a public reply to r-help when I get that info. Just wanted to respond to your question directly in the interim. Thanks. I am looking forward to more information. RPro isn't going the route of a closed menu approach -- it's the same R command-line and script mode you're used to from R. We're focussing more on performance, parallel computation, and additional packages. Good. On the other hand, this sounds like it is (or will be) somewhat similar to the interfaces that already are avialble, e.g. Tinn-R or Rcmdr. So, what are the advantages? I'd be happy to answer any other questions you might have of RPro -- feel free to call or email. Thank you. Tom __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
I downloaded the trial version and during the installation it told me that I had to install R first (from CRAN). So it looks like the R-PLUS interface is separate from R. They do not distribute R with R-PLUS. I'm in no way associated with this company, and I don't want or need a GUI for my own work. And its a Windows program. So I won't be using R-PLUS. Simon. Simon Blomberg, BSc (Hons), PhD, MAppStat. Lecturer and Consultant Statistician Faculty of Biological and Chemical Sciences The University of Queensland St. Lucia Queensland 4072 Australia T: +61 7 3365 2506 email: S.Blomberg1_at_uq.edu.au http://www.uq.edu.au/~uqsblomb/ Policies: 1. I will NOT analyse your data for you. 2. Your deadline is your problem. The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data. - John Tukey. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Barry Rowlingson Sent: Tue 28/10/2008 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch Subject: Re: [R] License Question 2008/10/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS. But your web site claims, in big capital letters, that R-plus is THE REAL R. If you are not distributing R (the real real R, (c) The R Foundation), then this could be construed as false advertising. So I'm guessing that R-plus must be an add-on to the real real R, in which case you can't distribute R with R-plus under a non-free license. You can unbundle it though, and tell your users to 'first go get R'. I can't find an installation guide or a decent FAQ that confirms this. As a non-lawyer, I'd advise you to remove 'The Real R' from the web site and instead put 'Works With The Real R'. And explain this in the FAQ. And give a link to www.r-project.org. Oh, btw, I'd fix your blog links: go to: http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act and click a screenshot... Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
On 10/28/2008 3:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Duncan,
Yes we do follow the legal terms very carefully and make sure our general
counsel reviews all these stuff.
To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS.
Thanks for the clarification. As long as you're not making copies of R
(or bits and pieces of it), the GPL doesn't place restrictions on you.
Duncan Murdoch
When users ask us about 'R license', it usually refers to potential hidden
costs. However you are right that explaining the GPL terms is paramount.
Thanks -
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Original Message
Subject: Re: [R] License Question
From: Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, October 27, 2008 6:59 pm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Katrin,
R is completely free - no License. We've built a supported user friendly
version: R-PLUS
This statement is not correct. R is licensed under the GPL. This is a
free software license, but it is not the same as having no license.
There are obligations under the GPL that anyone who distributes GPL'd
software should be aware of.
Does XL Solutions distribute R? Does it follow its obligations under
the GPL?
Duncan Murdoch
You can freely evaluate R-PLUS - the current free trial has no expiration
date.
At a click, import data from different formats, use Excel-like
spreadsheet for manipulating your data, create publication-quality
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favorite models through dialogs.
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--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From: Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [R] License Question
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM
Dear All,
I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University
of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar
AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any
license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any
fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this
in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal
language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers?
Thanks for you help kind regards,
Katrin Freiberger
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[replying to r-help as well] Hi Tom, Thanks. I am looking forward to more information. We're putting together the academic program right now, but our website will be updated with more details in the next few weeks. As I mentioned though our general attitude is that RPro should be available to individuals at academic institutions for free. We're in the process of finalizing some details around support and distribution. Good. On the other hand, this sounds like it is (or will be) somewhat similar to the interfaces that already are avialble, e.g. Tinn-R or Rcmdr. So, what are the advantages? We're taking a Red Hat like approach to R at REvolution. We aim to distribute R and select packages in a form that makes it easy to install, and we provide support and services to the institutions that use it. RPro includes some extensions from REvolution (such as a cross-platform installer, some additional documentation, a package of utilities, and we compile it to link with high-performance Intel BLAS libraries and support parallel processing) but at it's core it's 100% the same R you download from CRAN. The main benefit is that we manage the release cycle, test and verify the binaries we build, and provide dedicated support through our technical team. If you're more of a bleeding edge R user happy downloading alpha versions of R and asking questions on R-devel this probably won't be much of an advantage for you. But for statisticians in companies where an IT deparment manages the installation and access to technical support is essential we hope to provide added value, as they say (and hopefully unburden r-help with some of the more mundane questions from commercial R users to boot). REvolution also aims to be a contributing member of the R community. We're a benefactor of the R Foundation, and we contribute changes made to the core R sources back to R. That's required by the GPL, of course, but it benefits everyone. For example, we're working right now on a 64-bit Windows build of R. It's kinda tricky to build a 64-bit version of R on Windows right now, but once the necessary changes are incorporated into the R sources it will be easier for everyone, not just users of RPro. If anyone on the list has any other questions about REvolution, please feel free to contact me by email or phone (my number is in my signature). We'll also be at DSC2009 and UserR! next year. -- David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-computing.com Tel: +1 (206) 577-4778 x3203 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Tom Backer Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Smith wrote: Hi Tom, We're in the process of updating the information on our website for academic users, but in general we're making RPro available to academic users free of charge. I'm just gathering the information from the department in charge of the academic program, and I'll make a public reply to r-help when I get that info. Just wanted to respond to your question directly in the interim. Thanks. I am looking forward to more information. RPro isn't going the route of a closed menu approach -- it's the same R command-line and script mode you're used to from R. We're focussing more on performance, parallel computation, and additional packages. Good. On the other hand, this sounds like it is (or will be) somewhat similar to the interfaces that already are avialble, e.g. Tinn-R or Rcmdr. So, what are the advantages? I'd be happy to answer any other questions you might have of RPro -- feel free to call or email. Thank you. Tom __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
Thank you Simon,
We are working on the linux version as well and will roll out more products
during our conference in Las Vegas next year.
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Original Message
Subject: RE: [R] License Question
From: Simon Blomberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, October 28, 2008 4:45 am
To: Barry Rowlingson [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: r-help@r-project.org, Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I downloaded the trial version and during the installation it told me that
I had to install R first (from CRAN). So it looks like the R-PLUS interface
is separate from R. They do not distribute R with R-PLUS. I'm in no way
associated with this company, and I don't want or need a GUI for my own
work. And its a Windows program. So I won't be using R-PLUS.
Simon.
Simon Blomberg, BSc (Hons), PhD, MAppStat.
Lecturer and Consultant Statistician
Faculty of Biological and Chemical Sciences
The University of Queensland
St. Lucia Queensland 4072
Australia
T: +61 7 3365 2506
email: S.Blomberg1_at_uq.edu.au
[2]http://www.uq.edu.au/~uqsblomb/
Policies:
1. I will NOT analyse your data for you.
2. Your deadline is your problem.
The combination of some data and an aching desire for
an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can
be extracted from a given body of data. - John Tukey.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Barry Rowlingson
Sent: Tue 28/10/2008 6:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch
Subject: Re: [R] License Question
2008/10/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS.
But your web site claims, in big capital letters, that R-plus is THE
REAL R. If you are not distributing R (the real real R, (c) The R
Foundation), then this could be construed as false advertising.
So I'm guessing that R-plus must be an add-on to the real real R, in
which case you can't distribute R with R-plus under a non-free
license. You can unbundle it though, and tell your users to 'first go
get R'. I can't find an installation guide or a decent FAQ that
confirms this. As a non-lawyer, I'd advise you to remove 'The Real R'
from the web site and instead put 'Works With The Real R'. And explain
this in the FAQ. And give a link to www.r-project.org.
Oh, btw, I'd fix your blog links: go to:
[3]http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act and click a
screenshot...
Barry
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Barry Rowlingson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, btw, I'd fix your blog links: go to: http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act and click a screenshot... Now that is hilarious. A fine example of defensive coding for the web circa 2008 ;-D Best, Jim Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- James W. MacDonald, M.S. Biostatistician Hildebrandt Lab 8220D MSRB III 1150 W. Medical Center Drive Ann Arbor MI 48109-5646 734-936-8662 ** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] License Question
Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? Thanks for you help kind regards, Katrin Freiberger __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
On 10/27/2008 9:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin wrote: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? R is licensed under the GPL version 2, a pretty common license. You should be able to get legal advice on it internally at your company. If you ask on a forum like this, you'll get lots of advice, but some of it will likely be wrong. I don't want to add to that, so I won't give any other than ask internally. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
2008/10/27 Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? When you use R, there is no license agreement in place at all. You have not, and do not have to, agree to anything in order to use R. You are free to use it in any way. When people say 'R is licensed under the GPL', that is purely applicable to copying and distribution of the R software. Other software licenses do cover usage, and forbid you from modifying or inspecting the program in certain ways. These are usually the licenses you have to click-through to run the program, since this is supposed to indicate that you have read and agreed to the license. There is no click-through license when you start R, because you don't have to agree with the GPL just to use R. Hope that helps, Barry __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 10/27/2008 9:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin wrote: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? R is licensed under the GPL version 2, a pretty common license. You should be able to get legal advice on it internally at your company. If you ask on a forum like this, you'll get lots of advice, but some of it will likely be wrong. I don't want to add to that, so I won't give any other than ask internally. Hmm, well, on the other hand, that makes it sound as if there are demons lurking inside. Perhaps a pointer to the GPL FAQ at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html is in order. (The GPL specifically disallows restrictions on commercial use.) -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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On 10/27/2008 1:19 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: 2008/10/27 Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? When you use R, there is no license agreement in place at all. You have not, and do not have to, agree to anything in order to use R. You are free to use it in any way. When people say 'R is licensed under the GPL', that is purely applicable to copying and distribution of the R software. Other software licenses do cover usage, and forbid you from modifying or inspecting the program in certain ways. These are usually the licenses you have to click-through to run the program, since this is supposed to indicate that you have read and agreed to the license. There is no click-through license when you start R, because you don't have to agree with the GPL just to use R. Actually, there's a click-through license on the Mac binary, probably because it's hard to turn it off. There used to be one on the Windows binary install, until I worked out how to avoid it. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] License Question
on 10/27/2008 11:26 AM Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 10/27/2008 9:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin wrote: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? R is licensed under the GPL version 2, a pretty common license. You should be able to get legal advice on it internally at your company. If you ask on a forum like this, you'll get lots of advice, but some of it will likely be wrong. I don't want to add to that, so I won't give any other than ask internally. As Duncan has noted, concrete or absolute answers relative to what you can or cannot install on your company's computers will be solely dependent upon your company's internal software/IT policies and formal legal guidance. Most large companies and even many smaller ones, will have such policies in place and you should seek out your supervisors for guidance and reference to the specific guidelines. In addition, immediate colleagues will likely have some idea on this and can provide at least informal guidance to you, including any requirements that may be in place specifically for analytic software. For example, what do your colleagues use and must you be in a position to share compatible code and data files that may be proprietary? If so, then you may have only one choice, which is to use whatever they are using, presuming that it is not R, since you would not be asking if that were the case. The GPL license only really comes into play if you want to distribute R and/or distribute any software that you write that links to R. The latter typically involves compiled languages such as C and FORTRAN. Should that be a consideration, you have to ensure that the source code for both are made available, but even that may be a non-issue if the use of these will be internal only. As noted in the relevant R FAQ (2.11): Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program. There are no costs involved for R, other than if you or your company wish to make a donation to the R Foundation: http://www.r-project.org/foundation/main.html which I would certainly recommend. HTH, Marc Schwartz __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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As others have pointed out, you can download and use R for commercial purposes for free. This is allowed under the terms of the GPL under which R is licensed. If your company requires software to be professionally supported, you might want to consider purchasing a version of R that includes a support subscription. (The GPL doesn't preclude companies charging for open-source software.) REvolution Computing (whom I work for) offers a version of R called RPro that includes support and additional documentation, and the binary is optimized with high-performance math libraries. You can find information about it at the link in my signature. # David Smith -- David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-computing.com Tel: (206) 577-4778 x3203 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? Thanks for you help kind regards, Katrin Freiberger __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Katrin, R is completely free - no License. We've built a supported user friendly version: R-PLUS This statement is not correct. R is licensed under the GPL. This is a free software license, but it is not the same as having no license. There are obligations under the GPL that anyone who distributes GPL'd software should be aware of. Does XL Solutions distribute R? Does it follow its obligations under the GPL? Duncan Murdoch You can freely evaluate R-PLUS - the current free trial has no expiration date. At a click, import data from different formats, use Excel-like spreadsheet for manipulating your data, create publication-quality reports, generate editable graphics ... and click click to run your favorite models through dialogs. Check out the screenshots at www.Experience-Rplus.com and tell us what you think. Register for free trial. R-PLUS Team 24 Hours Tech Support Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost! [1]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp USAR2009, Las Vegas USAR|Rplus Conference. April 26-30, 2009 ! --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Freiberger, Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [R] License Question To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? Thanks for you help kind regards, Katrin Freiberger __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list [6]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide [7]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. References Visible links 1. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:r-help@r-project.org 5. mailto:R-help@r-project.org 6. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help 7. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html Hidden links: 8. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
