Re: [R] Package simex

2008-01-29 Thread Daniel Oberski
Dear Michael

If I understand you correctly, you already have an estimate of the
measurement error? It would seem that if you can estimate the error, then
this estimate comes with a standard error.

For example, suppose that you have a nonlinear model where one of the
predictors is a sum of two variables, which has been measured with error.
You then want to use simex to extrapolate the value the estimator of the
nonlinear model would have if there were no error. If these two variables
are related according to a factor model, then the measurement error estimate
would be the correlation between the variables, with the corresponding s.e.
(assuming the reliabilities of the variables are equal). It depends of
course what the measurement model and corresponding estimates are but you
usually get a standard error with the estimate.

If you want to take into account the variability in this estimate, in the
case of simex an approach would be to simulate values of the measurement
error estimates from its distribution using the standard error, and repeat
the simex procedure each time. You are then in the framework of multiple
imputation. So you need to record the between- and within- variance and
covariance of the estimates, and then combine them according to the rules
laid out by Rubin to get the final variance of the nonlinear model's
estimates. The between covariance matrix you get from the simulations. The
within covariance matrix as I understood from the book needs to be
bootstrapped.

So it is quite a process but certainly possible!

-daniel

P.S.   Note that simex is an approximate method; if you possibly can use
them, the alternative likelihood based or estimating equations approaches
provide a method of correcting the standard errors for uncertainty in the
measurement error estimates. This is explained in the book by Carroll,
Ruppert  Stefanski, in the appendix.



On Jan 28, 2008 2:36 AM, Michael Kubovy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear R-helpers,

 It is not clear to me how you get measurement.error SD when you have a
 single dataset, and it is not clear to me how sensitive SIMEX is to
 errors in the estimates of measurement error.

 Could someone please point me to the relevant literature?
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Re: [R] Package simex

2008-01-28 Thread Michael Kubovy
On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Liaw, Andy wrote:

 The original paper is:

 Cook, J. R.  Stefanski L. A. (1994) Simulation--extrapolation  
 estimation in parametric measurement error models. Journal of the  
 American Statistical Association, 89, 1314-1328.

 From: Michael Kubovy


 Dear R-helpers,

 It is not clear to me how you get measurement.error SD when you  
 have a single dataset, and it is not clear to me how sensitive  
 SIMEX is to errors in the estimates of measurement error.

 Could someone please point me to the relevant literature?



Indeed, the article is cited in the package help. Unfortunately it  
ends with my question: Among the limitations of SIMEX estimation …  
the two most notable are the requirement that the measurement error  
variance be known … (p. 1327).

The study I'm dealing with does not have a history of similar studies  
that would allow me to estimate the measurement error variance.
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University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
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[R] Package simex

2008-01-27 Thread Michael Kubovy
Dear R-helpers,

It is not clear to me how you get measurement.error SD when you have a  
single dataset, and it is not clear to me how sensitive SIMEX is to  
errors in the estimates of measurement error.

Could someone please point me to the relevant literature?
_
Professor Michael Kubovy
University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
USPS: P.O.Box 400400Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400
Parcels:Room 102Gilmer Hall
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