Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear Spencer, -Original Message- From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com] Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM To: Michael Kubovy Cc: John Fox; r-help Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4'] Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded along with effects. Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to Suggests in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential problem. Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point see a reason not to do that. Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I think that it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will be name conflicts, even if packages only export objects meant for the user. Best, John Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear John, et al.: What happens with import(foo) and importFrom(foo, f, g) with foo in suggests? Does foo appear in the search path? If no, then it may be wise to specify all uses in package mine of objects from package other using import and importFrom with other in suggests. If this is accurate, then users of mine will never have to worry about secondary conflicts like effects using name from either nlme or lme4: The use of name from nlme in effects will not cause nlme to be loaded. That means that it won't matter to effects whether and where lme4 is loaded, and it won't matter to the user, either. Might it be good to modify section 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions to make this clear? I just read it now, and it seemed quite clear to me except for this point. Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 7:50 AM, John Fox wrote: Dear Spencer, -Original Message- From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com] Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM To: Michael Kubovy Cc: John Fox; r-help Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4'] Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded along with effects. Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to Suggests in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential problem. Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point see a reason not to do that. Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I think that it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will be name conflicts, even if packages only export objects meant for the user. Best, John Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear Spencer, Perhaps I misunderstand what you suggest, but I don't see how importing objects helps, when there are objects of the same name in both nlme and lme4 that users of effects will use in different circumstances. That is effect.lmer() and effect.lme() should both work, though not in the same session. The solution I'm implementing is to put both lme4 and nlme in Suggests: and to require() each as needed, presumably not in the same session, when the package loaded second would mask functions in the package loaded first. I'm sure that there are circumstances where this solution isn't appropriate, but I think that it suffices for the effects package. Best, John -Original Message- From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@structuremonitoring.com] Sent: March-08-12 11:11 AM To: John Fox Cc: r-help@r-project.org; 'Sanford Weisberg' Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4'] Dear John, et al.: What happens with import(foo) and importFrom(foo, f, g) with foo in suggests? Does foo appear in the search path? If no, then it may be wise to specify all uses in package mine of objects from package other using import and importFrom with other in suggests. If this is accurate, then users of mine will never have to worry about secondary conflicts like effects using name from either nlme or lme4: The use of name from nlme in effects will not cause nlme to be loaded. That means that it won't matter to effects whether and where lme4 is loaded, and it won't matter to the user, either. Might it be good to modify section 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions to make this clear? I just read it now, and it seemed quite clear to me except for this point. Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 7:50 AM, John Fox wrote: Dear Spencer, -Original Message- From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com] Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM To: Michael Kubovy Cc: John Fox; r-help Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4'] Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded along with effects. Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to Suggests in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential problem. Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point see a reason not to do that. Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I think that it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will be name conflicts, even if packages only export objects meant for the user. Best, John Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Hi Spencer, In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following John's advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at the beginning of the run. The problem went away. As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was noticed by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide warnings. MK On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add:for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019 +1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear Michael and Spencer, I've modified the development version of the effects package on R-Forge so that the nlme and lme4 packages are listed under Suggests rather than Depends. In this way, neither package is loaded along with effects. Best, John On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:45:37 -0500 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi Spencer, In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following John's advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at the beginning of the run. The problem went away. As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was noticed by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide warnings. MK On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011+1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019 +1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019 +1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']
Dear John, That's most helpful. Thank you. MK On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:03 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael and Spencer, I've modified the development version of the effects package on R-Forge so that the nlme and lme4 packages are listed under Suggests rather than Depends. In this way, neither package is loaded along with effects. Best, John On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:45:37 -0500 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi Spencer, In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following John's advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at the beginning of the run. The problem went away. As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was noticed by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide warnings. MK On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Dear John, et al.: What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package? Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with potentially conflicting names? What are the standard recommendations for handling issues like this? Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when that occurs? (This is another reason for writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?) Thanks, Spencer On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly. Michael On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Michael, effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the penultimate example in ?effect. I hope this helps, John John Fox Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu wrote: Hi, I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround? Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ Professor Michael Kubovy University of Virginia Department of Psychology for mail add: for FedEx or UPS add: P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road USA Charlottesville, VA 22903 roomphone Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729 Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751 WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/ [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.