Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread Michael Kubovy
Dear John,

Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.

Michael

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:

 Dear Michael,
 
 effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the 
 penultimate example in ?effect.
 
 I hope this helps,
 John
 
 
 John Fox
 Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics
 Department of Sociology
 McMaster University
 Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
 http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
 
 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified 
 version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But 
 the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with 
 lme4. Workaround?

__
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University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread Spencer Graves

Dear John, et al.:


  What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?


  Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages 
with potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard 
recommendations for handling issues like this?  Just to test my 
comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely 
watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect. 
1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when 
that occurs?  (This is another reason for writing R packages and using 
namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in 
situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?)



  Thanks,
  Spencer


On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:

Dear John,

Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.

Michael

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:


Dear Michael,

effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See the 
penultimate example in ?effect.

I hope this helps,
John


John Fox
Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics
Department of Sociology
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/

On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu  wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified version 
of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. But the 
effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible with lme4. 
Workaround?

__
Professor Michael Kubovy
University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
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22903
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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread John Fox
Dear Spencer,

 -Original Message-
 From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com]
 Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM
 To: Michael Kubovy
 Cc: John Fox; r-help
 Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with
 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which
 conflicts with 'lme4']
 
 Dear John, et al.:
 
 
What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?

Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded along with
effects. 

Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to Suggests
in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential problem.
Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point see a
reason not to do that.

 
 
Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages
 with potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard
 recommendations for handling issues like this?  Just to test my
 comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely
 watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect.
 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when
 that occurs?  (This is another reason for writing R packages and using
 namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in
 situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?)

The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I think that
it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will be name conflicts,
even if packages only export objects meant for the user.

Best,
 John

 
 
Thanks,
Spencer
 
 
 On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:
  Dear John,
 
  Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.
 
  Michael
 
  On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:
 
  Dear Michael,
 
  effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package.
 See the penultimate example in ?effect.
 
  I hope this helps,
  John
 
  
  John Fox
  Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of
  Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
  http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
 
  On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
  Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu  wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly
 modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the
 lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which
 is incompatible with lme4. Workaround?
  __
  Professor Michael Kubovy
  University of Virginia
  Department of Psychology
  for mail add:   for FedEx or
UPS add:
  P.O.Box 400400  Gilmer Hall, Room
102
  Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400  485 McCormick Road
  USA Charlottesville, VA
22903
  roomphone
  Office:B011 +1-434-982-4729
  Lab:B019+1-434-982-4751
  WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/
 
 
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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread Spencer Graves

Dear John, et al.:


  What happens with import(foo) and importFrom(foo, f, g) with foo 
in suggests?  Does foo appear in the search path?  If no, then it may be 
wise to specify all uses in package mine of objects from package 
other using import and importFrom with other in suggests.



  If this is accurate, then users of mine will never have to 
worry about secondary conflicts like effects using name from either 
nlme or lme4:  The use of name from nlme in effects will not 
cause nlme to be loaded.  That means that it won't matter to effects 
whether and where lme4 is loaded, and it won't matter to the user, 
either.



  Might it be good to modify section 1.6.1 Specifying imports and 
exports of Writing R Extensions to make this clear?  I just read it 
now, and it seemed quite clear to me except for this point.



  Thanks,
  Spencer


On 3/8/2012 7:50 AM, John Fox wrote:

Dear Spencer,


-Original Message-
From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com]
Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM
To: Michael Kubovy
Cc: John Fox; r-help
Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with
'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which
conflicts with 'lme4']

Dear John, et al.:


What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?

Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded along with
effects.

Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to Suggests
in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential problem.
Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point see a
reason not to do that.



Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages
with potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard
recommendations for handling issues like this?  Just to test my
comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely
watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect.
1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions when
that occurs?  (This is another reason for writing R packages and using
namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want in
situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts later?)

The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I think that
it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will be name conflicts,
even if packages only export objects meant for the user.

Best,
  John



Thanks,
Spencer


On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:

Dear John,

Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.

Michael

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:


Dear Michael,

effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package.

See the penultimate example in ?effect.

I hope this helps,
John


John Fox
Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of
Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/

On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu   wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly

modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the
lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which
is incompatible with lme4. Workaround?

__
Professor Michael Kubovy
University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
for mail add:   for FedEx or

UPS add:

P.O.Box 400400  Gilmer Hall, Room

102

Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400  485 McCormick Road
USA Charlottesville, VA

22903

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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread John Fox
Dear Spencer,

Perhaps I misunderstand what you suggest, but I don't see how importing
objects helps, when there are objects of the same name in both nlme and lme4
that users of effects will use in different circumstances. That is
effect.lmer() and effect.lme() should both work, though not in the same
session. The solution I'm implementing is to put both lme4 and nlme in
Suggests: and to require() each as needed, presumably not in the same
session, when the package loaded second would mask functions in the package
loaded first.

I'm sure that there are circumstances where this solution isn't appropriate,
but I think that it suffices for the effects package.

Best,
 John

 -Original Message-
 From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@structuremonitoring.com]
 Sent: March-08-12 11:11 AM
 To: John Fox
 Cc: r-help@r-project.org; 'Sanford Weisberg'
 Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with
 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which
 conflicts with 'lme4']
 
 Dear John, et al.:
 
 
What happens with import(foo) and importFrom(foo, f, g) with foo
 in suggests?  Does foo appear in the search path?  If no, then it may
 be wise to specify all uses in package mine of objects from package
 other using import and importFrom with other in suggests.
 
 
If this is accurate, then users of mine will never have to
 worry about secondary conflicts like effects using name from either
 nlme or lme4:  The use of name from nlme in effects will not
 cause nlme to be loaded.  That means that it won't matter to
 effects
 whether and where lme4 is loaded, and it won't matter to the user,
 either.
 
 
Might it be good to modify section 1.6.1 Specifying imports and
 exports of Writing R Extensions to make this clear?  I just read it
 now, and it seemed quite clear to me except for this point.
 
 
Thanks,
Spencer
 
 
 On 3/8/2012 7:50 AM, John Fox wrote:
  Dear Spencer,
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com]
  Sent: March-08-12 10:29 AM
  To: Michael Kubovy
  Cc: John Fox; r-help
  Subject: Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts
 with
  'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which
  conflicts with 'lme4']
 
  Dear John, et al.:
 
 
  What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?
  Then some functions in it will be masked by nlme, which is loaded
  along with effects.
 
  Sandy Weisberg and I are discussing moving nlme from Depends to
 Suggests
  in the effects package Description file to avoid this potential
 problem.
  Although we'll have to check more carefully, I don't at this point
 see
  a reason not to do that.
 
 
  Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different
  packages with potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard
  recommendations for handling issues like this?  Just to test my
  comprehension, I assume that the key is that users should routinely
  watch for warnings of name conflicts and follow the advice of sect.
  1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing R Extensions
 when
  that occurs?  (This is another reason for writing R packages and
  using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they want
 in
  situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts
  later?)
  The name conflicts are in lme4 and nlme, which share an author. I
  think that it's inevitable with 3000+ CRAN packages that there will
 be
  name conflicts, even if packages only export objects meant for the
 user.
 
  Best,
John
 
 
  Thanks,
  Spencer
 
 
  On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:
  Dear John,
 
  Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.
 
  Michael
 
  On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:
 
  Dear Michael,
 
  effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect
 package.
  See the penultimate example in ?effect.
  I hope this helps,
  John
 
  
  John Fox
  Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics Department of
  Sociology McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
  http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
 
  On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
  Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu   wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly
  modified version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the
  lme4 package. But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage,
  which is incompatible with lme4. Workaround?
  __
  Professor Michael Kubovy
  University of Virginia
  Department of Psychology
  for mail add: for FedEx or
  UPS add:
  P.O.Box 400400Gilmer Hall, Room
  102
  Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400485 McCormick Road
  USA
Charlottesville, VA
  22903
roomphone
  Office:B011   +1-434-982-4729
  Lab

Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread Michael Kubovy
Hi Spencer,

In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a 
reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation 
involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following John's 
advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at the 
beginning of the run. The problem went away.

As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was noticed 
by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide warnings. 

MK

On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote:

 Dear John, et al.:
 
 
  What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?
 
 
  Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with 
 potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard recommendations for 
 handling issues like this?  Just to test my comprehension, I assume that the 
 key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts and 
 follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of Writing 
 R Extensions when that occurs?  (This is another reason for writing R 
 packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately what they 
 want in situations like this and not have to worry about name conflicts 
 later?)
 
 
  Thanks,
  Spencer
 
 
 On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:
 Dear John,
 
 Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.
 
 Michael
 
 On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:
 
 Dear Michael,
 
 effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See 
 the penultimate example in ?effect.
 
 I hope this helps,
 John
 
 
 John Fox
 Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics
 Department of Sociology
 McMaster University
 Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
 http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
 
 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified 
 version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. 
 But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is incompatible 
 with lme4. Workaround?
 __
 Professor Michael Kubovy
 University of Virginia
 Department of Psychology
 for mail add:for FedEx or 
 UPS add:
 P.O.Box 400400   Gilmer Hall, Room 102
 Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400   485 McCormick Road
 USA  Charlottesville, VA 
 22903
  roomphone
 Office:B011  +1-434-982-4729
 Lab:B019 +1-434-982-4751
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University of Virginia
Department of Psychology
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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread John Fox
Dear Michael and Spencer,

I've modified the development version of the effects package on R-Forge so that 
the nlme and lme4 packages are listed under Suggests rather than Depends. 
In this way,  neither package is loaded along with effects.

Best,
 John

On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:45:37 -0500
 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote:
 Hi Spencer,
 
 In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a 
 reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation 
 involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following John's 
 advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at the 
 beginning of the run. The problem went away.
 
 As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was 
 noticed by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide 
 warnings. 
 
 MK
 
 On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote:
 
  Dear John, et al.:
  
  
   What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?
  
  
   Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with 
  potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard recommendations for 
  handling issues like this?  Just to test my comprehension, I assume that 
  the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts 
  and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of 
  Writing R Extensions when that occurs?  (This is another reason for 
  writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately 
  what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name 
  conflicts later?)
  
  
   Thanks,
   Spencer
  
  
  On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:
  Dear John,
  
  Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.
  
  Michael
  
  On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:
  
  Dear Michael,
  
  effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See 
  the penultimate example in ?effect.
  
  I hope this helps,
  John
  
  
  John Fox
  Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics
  Department of Sociology
  McMaster University
  Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
  http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
  
  On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
  Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu  wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified 
  version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. 
  But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is 
  incompatible with lme4. Workaround?
  __
  Professor Michael Kubovy
  University of Virginia
  Department of Psychology
  for mail add:  for FedEx or 
  UPS add:
  P.O.Box 400400 Gilmer Hall, Room 102
  Charlottesville, VA 22904-4400 485 McCormick Road
  USA
  Charlottesville, VA 22903
 roomphone
  Office:B011+1-434-982-4729
  Lab:B019   +1-434-982-4751
  WWW:http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mk9y/
  
  
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  President and Chief Technology Officer
  Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
  751 Emerson Ct.
  San José, CA 95126
  ph:  408-655-4567
  web:  www.structuremonitoring.com
  
 
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 University of Virginia
 Department of Psychology
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Re: [R] Packages 'effects' loads 'name' which conflicts with 'lme4' [corrected subject: Package 'effects' loads 'nlme' which conflicts with 'lme4']

2012-03-08 Thread Michael Kubovy
Dear John,

That's most helpful. Thank you.

MK

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:03 PM, John Fox wrote:

 Dear Michael and Spencer,
 
 I've modified the development version of the effects package on R-Forge so 
 that the nlme and lme4 packages are listed under Suggests rather than 
 Depends. In this way,  neither package is loaded along with effects.
 
 Best,
 John
 
 On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:45:37 -0500
 Michael Kubovy kub...@virginia.edu wrote:
 Hi Spencer,
 
 In an Sweave script, which would take me too long to boil down to a 
 reproducible example, lme4 was loaded before effects, and a calculation 
 involving the effect() function failed. This was remedied by following 
 John's advice and loading the two packages in the order he recommended at 
 the beginning of the run. The problem went away.
 
 As far as I can tell, no such warning was issued, or at least none was 
 noticed by me, because I'm caching many computations, which may hide 
 warnings. 
 
 MK
 
 On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Graves wrote:
 
 Dear John, et al.:
 
 What happens if lme4 is loaded before the effect package?
 
 Is this an issue of a user wanting to use two different packages with 
 potentially conflicting names?  What are the standard recommendations for 
 handling issues like this?  Just to test my comprehension, I assume that 
 the key is that users should routinely watch for warnings of name conflicts 
 and follow the advice of sect. 1.6.1 Specifying imports and exports of 
 Writing R Extensions when that occurs?  (This is another reason for 
 writing R packages and using namespaces, so users can record appropriately 
 what they want in situations like this and not have to worry about name 
 conflicts later?)
 
 Thanks,
 Spencer
 
 
 On 3/8/2012 4:19 AM, Michael Kubovy wrote:
 Dear John,
 
 Thanks for the quick response. It works perfectly.
 
 Michael
 
 On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Fox wrote:
 
 Dear Michael,
 
 effect() works with lmer(). Just load lme4 after the effect package. See 
 the penultimate example in ?effect.
 
 I hope this helps,
 John
 
 
 John Fox
 Sen. William McMaster Prof. of Social Statistics
 Department of Sociology
 McMaster University
 Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
 http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/
 
 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 20:53:20 -0500
 Michael Kubovykub...@virginia.edu  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I would like to use the effect() function (actually a slightly modified 
 version of it) on the output of the lmer() function in the lme4 package. 
 But the effects package requires the nlme pacvkage, which is 
 incompatible with lme4. Workaround?
 
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