Re: [R] sort() depends on locale (and platform and build)
Hi,
... so something like this? [in foo.R]
old.coll <- Sys.getlocale("LC_COLLATE")
Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", locale="C")
Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", locale=old.coll)
Cheers,
Marius
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Re: [R] sort() depends on locale (and platform and build)
On 15/06/2014 17:34, Marius Hofert wrote: Hi, Thanks for you help. I use R-devel under Ubuntu 14.04, here is the output of sessionInfo(): sessionInfo() R Under development (unstable) (2014-06-02 r65832) Platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu (64-bit) locale: [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=C [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 [5] LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=C [9] LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C [11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=C attached base packages: [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base loaded via a namespace (and not attached): [1] compiler_3.2.0 tools_3.2.0 I assume ICU was not found/installed when R was installed as executing the first couple of lines of the examples section of ?icuSetCollate leads to: Warning message: In icuSetCollate(case_first = "upper") : ICU is not supported on this build [1] "aarhus" "Aarhus" "safe" "test" "Zoo" Since only the (default) locale "C" gives the order I expected, I consider changing my ~/.Rprofile. But it certainly had a reason why I changed it to "en_US.UTF-8" at some point... hope that does not break anything else. Is there any "recommendation" what to use in ~/.Rprofile (the default?)? And is the 'recommended approach' to have ICU installed and change the sorting order via icuSetCollate if necessary? Yes. (You can use the locale category LC_COLLATE or icuSetCollate, but the recommended way to do the first is via the environment variables, not in .Rprofile.) I would have not expected any influence of the locale on the sorting order, that's quite good to know. In fact, the example came up after I tried to sort students' grades in a class with several students having the same last name (which I made unique by adding the first names with a '.' separator)... quite a 'delicate' issue... Cheers, Marius -- Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax: +44 1865 272595 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] sort() depends on locale (and platform and build)
Hi, Thanks for you help. I use R-devel under Ubuntu 14.04, here is the output of sessionInfo(): > sessionInfo() R Under development (unstable) (2014-06-02 r65832) Platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu (64-bit) locale: [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=C [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 [5] LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=C [9] LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C [11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=C attached base packages: [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base loaded via a namespace (and not attached): [1] compiler_3.2.0 tools_3.2.0 I assume ICU was not found/installed when R was installed as executing the first couple of lines of the examples section of ?icuSetCollate leads to: Warning message: In icuSetCollate(case_first = "upper") : ICU is not supported on this build [1] "aarhus" "Aarhus" "safe" "test" "Zoo" Since only the (default) locale "C" gives the order I expected, I consider changing my ~/.Rprofile. But it certainly had a reason why I changed it to "en_US.UTF-8" at some point... hope that does not break anything else. Is there any "recommendation" what to use in ~/.Rprofile (the default?)? And is the 'recommended approach' to have ICU installed and change the sorting order via icuSetCollate if necessary? I would have not expected any influence of the locale on the sorting order, that's quite good to know. In fact, the example came up after I tried to sort students' grades in a class with several students having the same last name (which I made unique by adding the first names with a '.' separator)... quite a 'delicate' issue... Cheers, Marius __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] sort() depends on locale
On 15/06/2014 12:16, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
On 15/06/2014, 1:15 AM, Marius Hofert wrote:
Hi,
If I use invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")) in ~/.Rprofile, then
sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu"
whereas using invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "en_US.UTF-8")) results in
sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "Lu" "L.Y"
I know this issue has appeared already
(https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help//2012-February/304089.html), I
just don't see a reason for the second output: either '.' comes before
letters, then the result should be
"L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu" or it comes afterwards, then it should be "Lu" "L.Q"
"L.Y" -- the above result thus seems inconsistent to any useful notion
of 'sort' (?)
I don't see this either, but it appears that on your platform the "." is
simply being ignored, which might be a useful kind of sorting in some
contexts.
ICU implements that:
icuSetCollate(locale="en_US", alternate_handling="shifted")
sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
See ?icuSetCollate and the references there and in ?Comparison.
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Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self)
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Re: [R] sort() depends on locale
On 15/06/2014, 1:15 AM, Marius Hofert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If I use invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")) in ~/.Rprofile, then
>
>> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
> [1] "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu"
>
> whereas using invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "en_US.UTF-8")) results in
>
>> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
> [1] "L.Q" "Lu" "L.Y"
>
> I know this issue has appeared already
> (https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help//2012-February/304089.html), I
> just don't see a reason for the second output: either '.' comes before
> letters, then the result should be
> "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu" or it comes afterwards, then it should be "Lu" "L.Q"
> "L.Y" -- the above result thus seems inconsistent to any useful notion
> of 'sort' (?)
I don't see this either, but it appears that on your platform the "." is
simply being ignored, which might be a useful kind of sorting in some
contexts.
Duncan Murdoch
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Re: [R] sort() depends on locale (and platform and build)
On 15/06/2014 07:45, Pascal Oettli wrote:
Hello,
Please provide your sessionInfo(). I don't see this issue with R 3.1.0
Patched on Linux.
Nor on any of my platforms.
We would also need to know if ICU was found when R was installed: see
?Comparison .
Regards,
Pascal
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Marius Hofert
wrote:
Hi,
If I use invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")) in ~/.Rprofile, then
sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu"
whereas using invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "en_US.UTF-8")) results in
sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "Lu" "L.Y"
I know this issue has appeared already
(https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help//2012-February/304089.html), I
just don't see a reason for the second output: either '.' comes before
letters, then the result should be
"L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu" or it comes afterwards, then it should be "Lu" "L.Q"
"L.Y" -- the above result thus seems inconsistent to any useful notion
of 'sort' (?)
Cheers,
Marius
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Re: [R] sort() depends on locale
Hello,
Please provide your sessionInfo(). I don't see this issue with R 3.1.0
Patched on Linux.
Regards,
Pascal
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Marius Hofert
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If I use invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")) in ~/.Rprofile, then
>
>> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
> [1] "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu"
>
> whereas using invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "en_US.UTF-8")) results in
>
>> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
> [1] "L.Q" "Lu" "L.Y"
>
> I know this issue has appeared already
> (https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help//2012-February/304089.html), I
> just don't see a reason for the second output: either '.' comes before
> letters, then the result should be
> "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu" or it comes afterwards, then it should be "Lu" "L.Q"
> "L.Y" -- the above result thus seems inconsistent to any useful notion
> of 'sort' (?)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marius
>
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[R] sort() depends on locale
Hi,
If I use invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")) in ~/.Rprofile, then
> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu"
whereas using invisible(Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "en_US.UTF-8")) results in
> sort(c("L.Y", "Lu", "L.Q"))
[1] "L.Q" "Lu" "L.Y"
I know this issue has appeared already
(https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help//2012-February/304089.html), I
just don't see a reason for the second output: either '.' comes before
letters, then the result should be
"L.Q" "L.Y" "Lu" or it comes afterwards, then it should be "Lu" "L.Q"
"L.Y" -- the above result thus seems inconsistent to any useful notion
of 'sort' (?)
Cheers,
Marius
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