Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Rolf Turner wrote: ... I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? Hi Rolf, Yes, you have been misled. Dear old Florence invented a related illustration now usually referred to as a polar area diagram. It was an ingenious way of representing quantities as areas, but probably had to be explained at length to those subjected to it. The principal advantage of the pie chart is that most people think they understand it upon seeing it, even if they don't. As is common in human affairs, even the illusion of understanding is preferred to a lofty digression upon why the audience does not understand. Jim __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_chart cites papers using the polar area diagram prior to Nightengale although it does say that many sources credit it to her. On Jan 29, 2008 6:16 AM, Jim Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rolf Turner wrote: ... I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? Hi Rolf, Yes, you have been misled. Dear old Florence invented a related illustration now usually referred to as a polar area diagram. It was an ingenious way of representing quantities as areas, but probably had to be explained at length to those subjected to it. The principal advantage of the pie chart is that most people think they understand it upon seeing it, even if they don't. As is common in human affairs, even the illusion of understanding is preferred to a lofty digression upon why the audience does not understand. Jim __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:38:51 -0600, Roger Koenker wrote: Howard Wainer (Graphical Discovery, PUP, 2005, p 20) gives this dubious honor to Playfair (1759- 1823). Nightingale (1820- 1910) was far too enlightened for this sort of thing, see for example her letter to Galton about endowing an Oxford professorship in social statistics (reprinted in Karl Pearson's bio of Galton: http://galton.org/cgi-bin/searchImages/search/pearson/vol2/pages/vol2_0482.htm It sets a very ambitious agenda that we have not yet made much progress on... So, if the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale (1820-1910), then William Playfair (1759-1823) would be guilty of what the surrealists called a plagiarism by anticipation. Best, -- Jean R. Lobry([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax: +33 472 43 13 88 http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Thanks very much for the enlightenment. Very interesting indeed, and I am glad to find Nightingale exonerated of her purported crime. cheers, Rolf On 29/01/2008, at 8:25 AM, Greg Snow wrote: I had heard the same thing about Florence Nightingale, but it seems that this is a confusion of different graphs. Nightingale developed a graph based on a circle, but all the angles were equal and the different values were encoded by using different radii of the slices (and she did the right thing by having the radius proportional to the square root of the value). She never named this plot, but I have seen coxcomb (Nightingale refered to the document in which this graph first appeared as the coxcomb) or rotogram used as names. At first glance this may be confused for a pie chart, hence the credit, but in truth I think Nightingale is innocent of the crime of creating the first pie chart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rolf Turner Sent: Mon 1/28/2008 12:10 PM To: r-help Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid... {{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting- guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Thank you! cheers, Rolf On 29/01/2008, at 8:38 AM, roger koenker wrote: Howard Wainer (Graphical Discovery, PUP, 2005, p 20) gives this dubious honor to Playfair (1759- 1823). Nightingale (1820- 1910) was far too enlightened for this sort of thing, see for example her letter to Galton about endowing an Oxford professorship in social statistics (reprinted in Karl Pearson's bio of Galton: http://galton.org/cgi-bin/searchImages/search/pearson/vol2/pages/ vol2_0482.htm It sets a very ambitious agenda that we have not yet made much progress on... url:www.econ.uiuc.edu/~rogerRoger Koenker email[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Economics vox: 217-333-4558University of Illinois fax: 217-244-6678Champaign, IL 61820 On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner # # Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid... {{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting- guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
If anyone is interested in seeing Nightingale's Coxcomb a.k.a. Nightingale's Rose, it can be seen at http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10278643. Best regards, Peter. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Rolf Turner Sendt: 28. januar 2008 20:54 Til: roger koenker Cc: r-help Emne: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams Thank you! cheers, Rolf On 29/01/2008, at 8:38 AM, roger koenker wrote: Howard Wainer (Graphical Discovery, PUP, 2005, p 20) gives this dubious honor to Playfair (1759- 1823). Nightingale (1820- 1910) was far too enlightened for this sort of thing, see for example her letter to Galton about endowing an Oxford professorship in social statistics (reprinted in Karl Pearson's bio of Galton: http://galton.org/cgi-bin/searchImages/search/pearson/vol2/pages/ vol2_0482.htm It sets a very ambitious agenda that we have not yet made much progress on... url:www.econ.uiuc.edu/~rogerRoger Koenker email[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Economics vox: 217-333-4558University of Illinois fax: 217-244-6678Champaign, IL 61820 On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner # # Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid... {{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting- guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
I had heard the same thing about Florence Nightingale, but it seems that this is a confusion of different graphs. Nightingale developed a graph based on a circle, but all the angles were equal and the different values were encoded by using different radii of the slices (and she did the right thing by having the radius proportional to the square root of the value). She never named this plot, but I have seen coxcomb (Nightingale refered to the document in which this graph first appeared as the coxcomb) or rotogram used as names. At first glance this may be confused for a pie chart, hence the credit, but in truth I think Nightingale is innocent of the crime of creating the first pie chart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rolf Turner Sent: Mon 1/28/2008 12:10 PM To: r-help Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped:9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Howard Wainer (Graphical Discovery, PUP, 2005, p 20) gives this dubious honor to Playfair (1759- 1823). Nightingale (1820- 1910) was far too enlightened for this sort of thing, see for example her letter to Galton about endowing an Oxford professorship in social statistics (reprinted in Karl Pearson's bio of Galton: http://galton.org/cgi-bin/searchImages/search/pearson/vol2/pages/vol2_0482.htm It sets a very ambitious agenda that we have not yet made much progress on... url:www.econ.uiuc.edu/~rogerRoger Koenker email[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Economics vox: 217-333-4558University of Illinois fax: 217-244-6678Champaign, IL 61820 On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 12:07 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: Jean lobry wrote: snip about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart snip I have been for many years under the impression that the pie chart was invented by Florence Nightingale. Am I misinformed? cheers, Rolf Turner ## Attention:\ This e-mail message is privileged and confid...{{dropped: 9}} __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
On Jan 28, 2008 1:25 PM, Greg Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had heard the same thing about Florence Nightingale, but it seems that this is a confusion of different graphs. Nightingale developed a graph based on a circle, but all the angles were equal and the different values were encoded by using different radii of the slices (and she did the right thing by having the radius proportional to the square root of the value). She never named this plot, but I have seen coxcomb (Nightingale refered to the document in which this graph first appeared as the coxcomb) or rotogram used as names. At first glance this may be confused for a pie chart, hence the credit, but in truth I think Nightingale is innocent of the crime of creating the first pie chart. An example of Stigler's Law of Eponomy (Stigler, 1980), Nightingale's Coxcomb chart did not orignate with her, though this should not detract from her credit. She likely got the idea from William Farr, a close friend and frequent correspondent, who used the same graphic principles in 1852. The earliest known inventor of polar area charts is Andre-Michel Guerry (1829). --- Michael Friendly via http://www.math.yorku.ca/SCS/Gallery/historical.html Hadley -- http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Thanks to all who replied either privately or on the list. I have summarized the answers at the beginning of the following document: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/diaposcam.pdf Let me know if you have more eatable examples. Best, Jean -- Jean R. Lobry([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax: +33 472 43 13 88 http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Jean lobry wrote: Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Thanks to all who replied either privately or on the list. I have summarized the answers at the beginning of the following document: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/diaposcam.pdf Let me know if you have more eatable examples. Best, Jean Nice. Two minor points: - the illustration for Danish has a cake which is speaking Polish - Stastistical (on the ISI page) -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Nice. Two minor points: - the illustration for Danish has a cake which is speaking Polish - Stastistical (on the ISI page) Ooops! I have changed the picture and fixed the typo, Thanks. -- Jean R. Lobry([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax: +33 472 43 13 88 http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
I should say that the name of this chart varies even among Spanish-speaking countries. In Argentina is diagrama de torta which is something like cake-chart. Julian ahimsa campos-arceiz wrote: Two non-eatable examples from Spain and Japan: in Spanish we call them diagrama de sectores or gráfico de sectores. As you can imagine it means sectors diagram (or graph). in Japanese it is called 円グラフ (en gurafu), which means circular graph a link with its name in other languages: http://isi.cbs.nl/glossary/term550.htm Cheers, Ahimsa On Dec 13, 2007 3:01 AM, R Heberto Ghezzo, Dr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Montreal, Some people here call it the 'pizza diagram' ?some not eatable names? salut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Dalgaard Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 9:33 AM To: Jean lobry Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams Jean lobry wrote: Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Grin In Danish it is Lagkagediagram as in the layer cakes that are traditional at birthday parties (and thrown at eachother's faces in slapstick comedy). -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
From Montreal, Some people here call it the 'pizza diagram' ?some not eatable names? salut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Dalgaard Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 9:33 AM To: Jean lobry Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams Jean lobry wrote: Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Grin In Danish it is Lagkagediagram as in the layer cakes that are traditional at birthday parties (and thrown at eachother's faces in slapstick comedy). -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Salut Jean, I guess here in Alsace, in between France, Germany and Switzerland, we would call it a Flamenküche diagram ;-))) Best regards, François - Original Message - From: R Heberto Ghezzo, Dr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dalgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jean lobry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: r-help@r-project.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams From Montreal, Some people here call it the 'pizza diagram' ?some not eatable names? salut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Dalgaard Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 9:33 AM To: Jean lobry Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams Jean lobry wrote: Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Grin In Danish it is Lagkagediagram as in the layer cakes that are traditional at birthday parties (and thrown at eachother's faces in slapstick comedy). -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams
Two non-eatable examples from Spain and Japan: in Spanish we call them diagrama de sectores or gráfico de sectores. As you can imagine it means sectors diagram (or graph). in Japanese it is called åã°ã©ã (en gurafu), which means circular graph a link with its name in other languages: http://isi.cbs.nl/glossary/term550.htm Cheers, Ahimsa On Dec 13, 2007 3:01 AM, R Heberto Ghezzo, Dr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Montreal, Some people here call it the 'pizza diagram' ?some not eatable names? salut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Dalgaard Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 9:33 AM To: Jean lobry Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] vernacular names for circular diagrams Jean lobry wrote: Dear useRs, by a circular diagram representation I mean what you will get by entering this at your R promt: pie(1:5) Nice to have R as a lingua franca :-) The folowing quote is from page 360 in this very interesting paper: @article{SpenceI2005, title = {No Humble Pie: The Origins and Usage of a Statistical Chart}, author = {Spence, I.}, journal = {Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics}, volume = {30}, pages = {353-368}, year = {2005} } QUOTE Like us, the French employ a gastronomical metaphor when they refer to Playfair's pie chart, but they have preferred instead to invoke the name of the wonderful round soft cheese from Normandy - the camembert. When I spent 4 months in Paris a few years ago, a friend invited my wife and me to lunch with her elderly father who lives in Rouen, Normandy, about an hour North of Paris. Her father inquired - coincidentally during the cheese course - what work I was doing in Paris; I replied that I was researching the activities of a Scot, William Playfair, during the revolutionary period. I told him that Playfair had invented several statistical graphs, including the pie chart, which I referred to, in French, as le camembert. After a stunned silence of perhaps a couple of seconds, the distinguished elderly gentleman looked me in the eye and exclaimed, Mon Dieu ! Notre camembert? UNQUOTE So, I'm just curious: how do you refer in your own language to this kind of graphic? How do you call it? Best, Jean Grin In Danish it is Lagkagediagram as in the layer cakes that are traditional at birthday parties (and thrown at eachother's faces in slapstick comedy). -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Ãster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- ahimsa campos-arceiz www.camposarceiz.com [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.