[R] Cross-correlated variables in kernel density estimation

2004-11-16 Thread Adam Gobena
Hi,
I am wondering if the kde2d 2-D kernel density estimation function in the
MASS package can take into account the effect of correlations between the
variables. I couldn't find any achieved information on this issue.
Unfortunately, I don't have the 2002 edition of Modern Applied Statistics
with S by Venables and Ripley in case it was described there. 

Thanks in advance.
Adam

Adam Kenea Gobena
Research Assistant, Water Resources Engineering
Department of Civil  Environmental Engineering
220 Civil/Electrical Eng Bldg
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB
CANADA T6G 2G7

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RE: [R] Cross-correlated variables in kernel density estimation

2004-11-16 Thread Liaw, Andy
 From: Adam Gobena
 
 Hi,
 I am wondering if the kde2d 2-D kernel density estimation 
 function in the
 MASS package can take into account the effect of correlations 
 between the
 variables. I couldn't find any achieved information on this issue.
 Unfortunately, I don't have the 2002 edition of Modern 
 Applied Statistics
 with S by Venables and Ripley in case it was described there. 

The subject of your message doesn't seem to have much to do with your
question...  Also, it's not clear to me what you mean by taking into account
the effect of correlations between variables.  Do you mean a kernel function
that is something like a bivariate Gaussian density with non-diagonal
covariance matrix?  If so, ?kde2d in MASS says:

 Two-dimensional kernel density estimation with an axis-aligned
 bivariate normal kernel, evaluated on a square grid.

so the answer is no.  No other R packages that does 2D kernel density
estimation (that I know of, anyway) can do it, either, and probably for a
good reason.  Why would you need it?  If there are correlation structures in
the (X, Y) data, small enough bandwidths in both direction should give
satisfactory estimate of the density.

Andy
 
 Thanks in advance.
 Adam
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 Department of Civil  Environmental Engineering
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RE: [R] Cross-correlated variables in kernel density estimation

2004-11-16 Thread Adam Gobena
Hi Andy,
Sorry about the vague subject line. I think I overlooked a lot of things
including the description of the function itself. Anyway, you have got the
essence of my question. Thanks for the reply. 

I am using kernel density estimation to estimate the pdf some data. The pdf
estimation is an intermediate step in a modeling work. So, I can work with
one variable at a time and combine the final results from my model in some
way but I thought it would be good to look at the joint PDF. The problem is,
my (X,Y) data have a correlation structure.  

Thanks,
Adam


Adam K. Gobena
Research Assistant, Water Resources Engineering
Department of Civil  Environmental Engineering
220 Civil/Electrical Eng Bldg
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB
CANADA T6G 2G7
 

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Subject: RE: [R] Cross-correlated variables in kernel density estimation

 From: Adam Gobena
 
 Hi,
 I am wondering if the kde2d 2-D kernel density estimation 
 function in the
 MASS package can take into account the effect of correlations 
 between the
 variables. I couldn't find any achieved information on this issue.
 Unfortunately, I don't have the 2002 edition of Modern 
 Applied Statistics
 with S by Venables and Ripley in case it was described there. 

The subject of your message doesn't seem to have much to do with your
question...  Also, it's not clear to me what you mean by taking into account
the effect of correlations between variables.  Do you mean a kernel function
that is something like a bivariate Gaussian density with non-diagonal
covariance matrix?  If so, ?kde2d in MASS says:

 Two-dimensional kernel density estimation with an axis-aligned
 bivariate normal kernel, evaluated on a square grid.

so the answer is no.  No other R packages that does 2D kernel density
estimation (that I know of, anyway) can do it, either, and probably for a
good reason.  Why would you need it?  If there are correlation structures in
the (X, Y) data, small enough bandwidths in both direction should give
satisfactory estimate of the density.

Andy
 
 Thanks in advance.
 Adam
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 Research Assistant, Water Resources Engineering
 Department of Civil  Environmental Engineering
 220 Civil/Electrical Eng Bldg
 University of Alberta
 Edmonton, AB
 CANADA T6G 2G7
 
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Re: [R] Cross-correlated variables in kernel density estimation

2004-11-16 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
Yes it can and it is in the reference.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Adam Gobena wrote:
Hi,
I am wondering if the kde2d 2-D kernel density estimation function in the
MASS package can take into account the effect of correlations between the
variables. I couldn't find any achieved information on this issue.
Unfortunately, I don't have the 2002 edition of Modern Applied Statistics
with S by Venables and Ripley in case it was described there.
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