RE: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
Dear list member, sorry, for jumping in this thread and/or the gun. What springs immediately to my mind is: if such a functionality should be realised, it might be beneficial too to have something similar to Thomas Ruedas `texdocTK' at hand; i.e. the retrieval of the pdf-package documentations sorted by category and of course the manuals that are shipped with a base installation. Well, but one after the other... Best Regards, Bernhard > Hello, > > > > I think Achim suggestion is more realistic: it does not > imply automatic > > installation of all packages, but just a restricted list of packages > > available on CRAN about a specific topic. > > > > An easy way to get this result is to propose separate lists of > > packages. It > > means separate lists than > > http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/PACKAGES.html (and > 'PACKAGES' in > > the > > Windows packages binaries). I don't see the problem to > propose other > > lists > > that could be called 'SpatialStats.html' (in packages > > sources)/'SpatialStats' (in Windows binaries)... and the same for > > 'MachineLearning', 'Biostats', etc... > > > > Then, of course the various functions that install packages > should be > > adapted to use these lists. It does not look like an unsurmontable > > task. > > > > Of course, if this is not done yet by the R Core Team, I > presume that > > there > > must be difficulties that I don't see. It is obvious that, > either we > > need a > > list maintainer for each topic, or we have to propose keywords for > > packages > > (similar to the keywords for functions) that will be used to > > automatically > > generate those separate lists. > > > > An alternative that can currently be used for groups of users in an > > institution is to maintain a local copy of R packages > repository, which > > contains only the packages of interest for this group. I do > so for my > > students. Under Windows, in the new R 2.0.1 beta, there is > a new menu > > entry > > in packages -> Set CRAN mirror... (in my version it does > not work yet, > > looking for a missing .\doc\CRAN_mirrors.csv file), but I > can easily > > figure > > out how it works and how I could append my own repository > to the list > > to > > ease installation of a restricted list of R packages by my > students. > > This is > > only for Windows, but a similar approach can also be used on other > > platforms > > with a little bit of coding. > > > > Best, > > > > Philippe > > > > ..<°}))>< > > ) ) ) ) ) > > ( ( ( ( (Prof. Philippe Grosjean > > ) ) ) ) ) > > ( ( ( ( (Numerical Ecology of Aquatic Systems > > ) ) ) ) ) Mons-Hainaut University, Pentagone > > ( ( ( ( (Academie Universitaire Wallonie-Bruxelles > > ) ) ) ) ) 6, av du Champ de Mars, 7000 Mons, Belgium > > ( ( ( ( ( > > ) ) ) ) ) phone: + 32.65.37.34.97, fax: + 32.65.37.33.12 > > ( ( ( ( (email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ) ) ) ) ) > > ( ( ( ( (web: http://www.umh.ac.be/~econum > > ) ) ) ) ) > > .. > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Achim Zeileis > >> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM > >> To: Liaw, Andy > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion > >> > >> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0500 Liaw, Andy wrote: > >> > >>> Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: > >>> > >>> I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure > elisp code, > >>> and do not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN > >>> packages depend on external libraries or programs, and do not > >>> necessarily work on all platforms that R runs on. How would such > >>> dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen sink bundle? > >>> > >>> I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages > >> with a set > >>> of pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more > >>> than one categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is > >>> then possible to have facility to let people install all &
Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
One place to look, linked to the R development community, is the Bioconductor project where their GetBioC() function has package groupings (see http://www.bioconductor.org/getBioC.R) as an option. Perhaps, because of the specific focus of the Bioconductor suite, this is easier, but at least a template with R functionality already exists. andrew On 12 Nov 2004, at 09:48, Philippe Grosjean wrote: Hello, I think Achim suggestion is more realistic: it does not imply automatic installation of all packages, but just a restricted list of packages available on CRAN about a specific topic. An easy way to get this result is to propose separate lists of packages. It means separate lists than http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/PACKAGES.html (and 'PACKAGES' in the Windows packages binaries). I don't see the problem to propose other lists that could be called 'SpatialStats.html' (in packages sources)/'SpatialStats' (in Windows binaries)... and the same for 'MachineLearning', 'Biostats', etc... Then, of course the various functions that install packages should be adapted to use these lists. It does not look like an unsurmontable task. Of course, if this is not done yet by the R Core Team, I presume that there must be difficulties that I don't see. It is obvious that, either we need a list maintainer for each topic, or we have to propose keywords for packages (similar to the keywords for functions) that will be used to automatically generate those separate lists. An alternative that can currently be used for groups of users in an institution is to maintain a local copy of R packages repository, which contains only the packages of interest for this group. I do so for my students. Under Windows, in the new R 2.0.1 beta, there is a new menu entry in packages -> Set CRAN mirror... (in my version it does not work yet, looking for a missing .\doc\CRAN_mirrors.csv file), but I can easily figure out how it works and how I could append my own repository to the list to ease installation of a restricted list of R packages by my students. This is only for Windows, but a similar approach can also be used on other platforms with a little bit of coding. Best, Philippe ..<°}))>< ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Prof. Philippe Grosjean ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Numerical Ecology of Aquatic Systems ) ) ) ) ) Mons-Hainaut University, Pentagone ( ( ( ( (Academie Universitaire Wallonie-Bruxelles ) ) ) ) ) 6, av du Champ de Mars, 7000 Mons, Belgium ( ( ( ( ( ) ) ) ) ) phone: + 32.65.37.34.97, fax: + 32.65.37.33.12 ( ( ( ( (email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (web: http://www.umh.ac.be/~econum ) ) ) ) ) .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Achim Zeileis Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM To: Liaw, Andy Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0500 Liaw, Andy wrote: Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure elisp code, and do not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN packages depend on external libraries or programs, and do not necessarily work on all platforms that R runs on. How would such dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen sink bundle? I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages with a set of pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more than one categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is then possible to have facility to let people install all packages that fall in a particular category (e.g., `spatial statistics'). I believe several systems have such facilities, Debian being one of them, TeXLive being another. This is similar to idea that has been discussed from time to time for several years now: it would be nice to have maintained "CRAN task views" (or something like that), i.e., we could have a maintainer for, say "spatial stats", another one for "machine learning", "biostats" which can of course be overlapping. Then the maintainers would have to produce some sort of list of packages (in a standardized format) with a little bit of markup such that a web page can be generated from it and that the information could be used by install.packages(). I think most users would profit from that, but nobody has done the work to provide the infrastructure so far. I've just discussed this with Kurt again, a week ago or so...I wanted to play around with some ideas, but didn't get round to really do something yet. But hopefully, I'll get round to work on this in the next weeks. Z Just my $0.02... Andy From: Rodney Sparapani r-help: I have an R package suggest
RE: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
Hello, I think Achim suggestion is more realistic: it does not imply automatic installation of all packages, but just a restricted list of packages available on CRAN about a specific topic. An easy way to get this result is to propose separate lists of packages. It means separate lists than http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/PACKAGES.html (and 'PACKAGES' in the Windows packages binaries). I don't see the problem to propose other lists that could be called 'SpatialStats.html' (in packages sources)/'SpatialStats' (in Windows binaries)... and the same for 'MachineLearning', 'Biostats', etc... Then, of course the various functions that install packages should be adapted to use these lists. It does not look like an unsurmontable task. Of course, if this is not done yet by the R Core Team, I presume that there must be difficulties that I don't see. It is obvious that, either we need a list maintainer for each topic, or we have to propose keywords for packages (similar to the keywords for functions) that will be used to automatically generate those separate lists. An alternative that can currently be used for groups of users in an institution is to maintain a local copy of R packages repository, which contains only the packages of interest for this group. I do so for my students. Under Windows, in the new R 2.0.1 beta, there is a new menu entry in packages -> Set CRAN mirror... (in my version it does not work yet, looking for a missing .\doc\CRAN_mirrors.csv file), but I can easily figure out how it works and how I could append my own repository to the list to ease installation of a restricted list of R packages by my students. This is only for Windows, but a similar approach can also be used on other platforms with a little bit of coding. Best, Philippe ..<°}))>< ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Prof. Philippe Grosjean ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (Numerical Ecology of Aquatic Systems ) ) ) ) ) Mons-Hainaut University, Pentagone ( ( ( ( (Academie Universitaire Wallonie-Bruxelles ) ) ) ) ) 6, av du Champ de Mars, 7000 Mons, Belgium ( ( ( ( ( ) ) ) ) ) phone: + 32.65.37.34.97, fax: + 32.65.37.33.12 ( ( ( ( (email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( (web: http://www.umh.ac.be/~econum ) ) ) ) ) .. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Achim Zeileis > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM > To: Liaw, Andy > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0500 Liaw, Andy wrote: > > > Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: > > > > I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure elisp code, > > and do not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN > > packages depend on external libraries or programs, and do not > > necessarily work on all platforms that R runs on. How would such > > dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen sink bundle? > > > > I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages > with a set > > of pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more > > than one categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is > > then possible to have facility to let people install all > packages that > > fall in a particular category (e.g., `spatial statistics'). > I believe > > several systems have such facilities, Debian being one of them, > > TeXLive being another. > > This is similar to idea that has been discussed from time to > time for several years now: it would be nice to have > maintained "CRAN task views" > (or something like that), i.e., we could have a maintainer > for, say "spatial stats", another one for "machine learning", > "biostats" which can of course be overlapping. Then the > maintainers would have to produce some sort of list of > packages (in a standardized format) with a little bit of > markup such that a web page can be generated from it and that > the information could be used by install.packages(). > I think most users would profit from that, but nobody has > done the work to provide the infrastructure so far. I've just > discussed this with Kurt again, a week ago or so...I wanted > to play around with some ideas, but didn't get round to > really do something yet. But hopefully, I'll get round to > work on this in the next weeks. > Z > > > Just my $0.02... > > > > Andy > > > > > From: Rodney Sparapani > > > > > > r-help: >
Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
Let them fail. Not all of the elisp code installed is self contained in the XEmacs bundles, but you won't use or know about them if you don't care. That's exactly what that snippet that I wrote before did -- ignored errors. best, -tony On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0500, Liaw, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: > > I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure elisp code, and do > not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN packages depend on > external libraries or programs, and do not necessarily work on all platforms > that R runs on. How would such dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen > sink bundle? > > I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages with a set of > pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more than one > categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is then possible to > have facility to let people install all packages that fall in a particular > category (e.g., `spatial statistics'). I believe several systems have such > facilities, Debian being one of them, TeXLive being another. > > Just my $0.02... > > Andy > > > From: Rodney Sparapani > > > > > > r-help: > > > > I have an R package suggestion. After spending > > several hours the other day installing about a dozen > > packages, I had an idea. In xemacs, there is a > > "sumo" package which allows me to install a large > > bundle of xemacs packages at one time (about a 120 > > modes including ESS). I think R should have a > > similar bundle. It would be so much easier than > > hunting/downloading/installing. Martin encouraged > > me to send this suggestion to r-help. In addition, > > he put together a few comments relating to the previous > > times that this, or a similar suggestion, has been > > brought up here. > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > If you search for "install all CRAN packages" > > on > > http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/R/ > > > > (the URL which is quickly found from the [Search] sidebar of > > http://www.R-project.org/) > > > > You find things like Greg Warnes 'Makefile' > > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0723.html > > and > > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0616.html > > which is from Tony and has the following small function: > > > > installNewCRANPackages <- function() { > > ## (C) A.J. Rossini, 2002--2004 > > test2 <- packageStatus()$avail["Status"] > > > > install.packages(row.names(test2)[which(test2$Status=="not > > installed")]) > > } > > > > -- > > > > Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin > > Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcw.edu/pcor > > Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do > > > > __ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > > > > > __ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > -- best, -tony --- A.J. Rossini [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0500 Liaw, Andy wrote: > Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: > > I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure elisp code, > and do not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN > packages depend on external libraries or programs, and do not > necessarily work on all platforms that R runs on. How would such > dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen sink bundle? > > I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages with a set > of pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more > than one categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is > then possible to have facility to let people install all packages that > fall in a particular category (e.g., `spatial statistics'). I believe > several systems have such facilities, Debian being one of them, > TeXLive being another. This is similar to idea that has been discussed from time to time for several years now: it would be nice to have maintained "CRAN task views" (or something like that), i.e., we could have a maintainer for, say "spatial stats", another one for "machine learning", "biostats" which can of course be overlapping. Then the maintainers would have to produce some sort of list of packages (in a standardized format) with a little bit of markup such that a web page can be generated from it and that the information could be used by install.packages(). I think most users would profit from that, but nobody has done the work to provide the infrastructure so far. I've just discussed this with Kurt again, a week ago or so...I wanted to play around with some ideas, but didn't get round to really do something yet. But hopefully, I'll get round to work on this in the next weeks. Z > Just my $0.02... > > Andy > > > From: Rodney Sparapani > > > > r-help: > > > > I have an R package suggestion. After spending > > several hours the other day installing about a dozen > > packages, I had an idea. In xemacs, there is a > > "sumo" package which allows me to install a large > > bundle of xemacs packages at one time (about a 120 > > modes including ESS). I think R should have a > > similar bundle. It would be so much easier than > > hunting/downloading/installing. Martin encouraged > > me to send this suggestion to r-help. In addition, > > he put together a few comments relating to the previous > > times that this, or a similar suggestion, has been > > brought up here. > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > If you search for "install all CRAN packages" > > on > > http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/R/ > > > > (the URL which is quickly found from the [Search] sidebar of > > http://www.R-project.org/) > > > > You find things like Greg Warnes 'Makefile' > > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0723.html > > and > > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0616.html > > which is from Tony and has the following small function: > > > > installNewCRANPackages <- function() { > > ## (C) A.J. Rossini, 2002--2004 > > test2 <- packageStatus()$avail["Status"] > > > > install.packages(row.names(test2)[which(test2$Status=="not > > installed")]) > > } > > > > -- > > > > Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin > > Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcw.edu/pcor > > Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do > > > > __ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > > > > > __ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
What exactly is the suggestion? R does have package bundles. It ships with a basic collection of packages. install.packages will install many packages at once. R-devel has a function new.packages to find the currently uninstalled packages, so install.packages(new.packages()) installs them all, should they actually all work on your system (and that's impossible as several require a Unix-alike and one requires Windows) On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Rodney Sparapani wrote: > r-help: > > I have an R package suggestion. After spending > several hours the other day installing about a dozen > packages, I had an idea. In xemacs, there is a > "sumo" package which allows me to install a large > bundle of xemacs packages at one time (about a 120 > modes including ESS). I think R should have a > similar bundle. It would be so much easier than > hunting/downloading/installing. Martin encouraged > me to send this suggestion to r-help. In addition, > he put together a few comments relating to the previous > times that this, or a similar suggestion, has been > brought up here. > > Martin wrote: > > If you search for "install all CRAN packages" > on > http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/R/ > > (the URL which is quickly found from the [Search] sidebar of > http://www.R-project.org/) > > You find things like Greg Warnes 'Makefile' > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0723.html > and > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0616.html > which is from Tony and has the following small function: > > installNewCRANPackages <- function() { > ## (C) A.J. Rossini, 2002--2004 > test2 <- packageStatus()$avail["Status"] > install.packages(row.names(test2)[which(test2$Status=="not installed")]) > } > > -- > > Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin > Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcw.edu/pcor > Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do > > __ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > -- Brian D. Ripley, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax: +44 1865 272595 __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
RE: [R] R "sumo" package suggestion
Good idea, IMHO, but there are some practical difficulties: I guess the XEmacs packages are (most, if not all) pure elisp code, and do not need other stuff to work. However, quite a few CRAN packages depend on external libraries or programs, and do not necessarily work on all platforms that R runs on. How would such dependencies be resolved in such a kitchen sink bundle? I have a somewhat related idea: Start labelling packages with a set of pre-defined categories, and a package can be labelled with more than one categories (especially those *misc type packages). It is then possible to have facility to let people install all packages that fall in a particular category (e.g., `spatial statistics'). I believe several systems have such facilities, Debian being one of them, TeXLive being another. Just my $0.02... Andy > From: Rodney Sparapani > > r-help: > > I have an R package suggestion. After spending > several hours the other day installing about a dozen > packages, I had an idea. In xemacs, there is a > "sumo" package which allows me to install a large > bundle of xemacs packages at one time (about a 120 > modes including ESS). I think R should have a > similar bundle. It would be so much easier than > hunting/downloading/installing. Martin encouraged > me to send this suggestion to r-help. In addition, > he put together a few comments relating to the previous > times that this, or a similar suggestion, has been > brought up here. > > Martin wrote: > > If you search for "install all CRAN packages" > on > http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/R/ > > (the URL which is quickly found from the [Search] sidebar of > http://www.R-project.org/) > > You find things like Greg Warnes 'Makefile' > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0723.html > and > http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0616.html > which is from Tony and has the following small function: > > installNewCRANPackages <- function() { > ## (C) A.J. Rossini, 2002--2004 > test2 <- packageStatus()$avail["Status"] > > install.packages(row.names(test2)[which(test2$Status=="not > installed")]) > } > > -- > > Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin > Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcw.edu/pcor > Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do > > __ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
[R] R "sumo" package suggestion
r-help: I have an R package suggestion. After spending several hours the other day installing about a dozen packages, I had an idea. In xemacs, there is a "sumo" package which allows me to install a large bundle of xemacs packages at one time (about a 120 modes including ESS). I think R should have a similar bundle. It would be so much easier than hunting/downloading/installing. Martin encouraged me to send this suggestion to r-help. In addition, he put together a few comments relating to the previous times that this, or a similar suggestion, has been brought up here. Martin wrote: If you search for "install all CRAN packages" on http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/R/ (the URL which is quickly found from the [Search] sidebar of http://www.R-project.org/) You find things like Greg Warnes 'Makefile' http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0723.html and http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/04/04/0616.html which is from Tony and has the following small function: installNewCRANPackages <- function() { ## (C) A.J. Rossini, 2002--2004 test2 <- packageStatus()$avail["Status"] install.packages(row.names(test2)[which(test2$Status=="not installed")]) } -- Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html