Re: [R] Responding to a posting in the digest
Thanks a lot, Ted, for your comprehensive answer! [See one short note way below: ] TH == Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:54:04 +0100 (BST) writes: TH On 14-Jun-07 07:26:26, Moshe Olshansky wrote: Is there a convenient way to respond to a particular posting which is a part of the digest? I mean something that will automatically quote the original message, subject, etc. Thank you! Moshe Olshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] TH This will depend on two things. TH 1. Whether the mail software you use has the capability; TH 2. Whether the digest format would permit it anyway. TH Regarding (2), if you are receiving R-help in TH traditional digest format (all the messages, each with TH its principal headers, as one single long message-body), TH then the only way to respond to a particular message is TH to start to compose a new message and copy what you need TH from the digest. TH While I've never reveived R-help in digest format TH myself, according to Martin Maechler: TH http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/59429.html TH Please open the URL at the end of every message TH https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help go to the TH bottom and log in -- clicking the [Unsubscribe or Edit TH Options] field. You need your mailing list password TH sooner or later. The one you get sent every 1st of the TH month; or you can have it sent to you again. TH Then you are in a page entitled R-help Membership TH Configuration for foo@bar Scroll down to the section TH Your R-help Subscription where the 3rd entry is TH entitled Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? and now you TH want MIME. TH In MIME digest format, each message with its own main TH headers is a separate MIME attachment, and suitable mail TH software can bring any message up on its own, You can TH then reply in the normal way. TH However (and here is where I'm ignorant as a result of TH never having received R-help as digest), your reply may TH not continue the thread -- since this depends on TH message-identifier headers being present which allow TH threading software to trace which messages are replies TH to which message. The JISCMAIL MIME digest for the TH AllStat mailing list only includes a Message-ID for the TH digest as a whole, i.e. the ID for the entire digest TH message. Message-IDs for the individual messages in the TH digest (as would be seen by people who received them TH singly) are absent: you only get the likes of TH Date: DoW, DD Mon HH:MM:SS TZ From: Sender TH (person who sent the message to the list) Subject: TH Subject of individual message MIME-Version: 1.0 TH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 TH Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TH and no Message ID for the original message from TH Sender. So any reply to this component message is not TH identifiable as belonging to its thread. TH I don't know whether R-help's 'mailman' provides such TH headers (Martin??). Yes, it does (I've checked with a pseudo-user who receives r-help in digests in MIME format). So you can indeed do the following. In my limited experience, the main problem is the bad quality of people'e e-mail software which does not properly work with the (typically invisible) 'References:' and 'In-Reply-To:' headers which mailman indeed does preserve in its MIME-digests. TH If it does, then your reply could TH include an In-Reply-To: which identifies the TH thread. Otherwise it can't. TH As to (1), you will probably get several suggestions for TH suitable mail software. My own (see below) opens an TH AllStat digest in a window with attachment tags TH displayed, one for Tablf of Contents, one for each TH message. Clicking on one of these opens a new window TH with the message attached to that tag displayed, and now TH the usual reply/forward etc mail sunctions can be TH applied to that message. But it will reply only to the TH address given in the From: header (i.e. the original TH sender, as above), not to the AllStat list (so you have TH to enter that address by hand, if you want to reply to TH the list). TH In principle, mailer software could also identify the TH address of the list from which the digest has been sent, TH as well as the sender of the original message, so you TH could get the option to reply to either or both. But my TH XFMail does not, and only offers the original TH sender. Whether other mailer software can do this is for TH others to comment on! TH Hoping this helps, Ted. __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide
Re: [R] Responding to a posting in the digest
Moshe Olshansky m_olshansky at yahoo.com writes: Is there a convenient way to respond to a particular posting which is a part of the digest? I mean something that will automatically quote the original message, subject, etc. Thank you! Moshe Olshansky m_olshansky at yahoo.com __ R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. A simple solution is to respond via the Gmane (web) list. There is a link to the Gmane R lists from the 'search' page of any CRAN mirror. Hope this helps, Michael Bibo [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Responding to a posting in the digest
Is there a convenient way to respond to a particular posting which is a part of the digest? I mean something that will automatically quote the original message, subject, etc. Thank you! Moshe Olshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Responding to a posting in the digest
On 14-Jun-07 07:26:26, Moshe Olshansky wrote: Is there a convenient way to respond to a particular posting which is a part of the digest? I mean something that will automatically quote the original message, subject, etc. Thank you! Moshe Olshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will depend on two things. 1. Whether the mail software you use has the capability; 2. Whether the digest format would permit it anyway. Regarding (2), if you are receiving R-help in traditional digest format (all the messages, each with its principal headers, as one single long message-body), then the only way to respond to a particular message is to start to compose a new message and copy what you need from the digest. While I've never reveived R-help in digest format myself, according to Martin Maechler: http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/59429.html Please open the URL at the end of every message https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help go to the bottom and log in -- clicking the [Unsubscribe or Edit Options] field. You need your mailing list password sooner or later. The one you get sent every 1st of the month; or you can have it sent to you again. Then you are in a page entitled R-help Membership Configuration for foo@bar Scroll down to the section Your R-help Subscription where the 3rd entry is entitled Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? and now you want MIME. In MIME digest format, each message with its own main headers is a separate MIME attachment, and suitable mail software can bring any message up on its own, You can then reply in the normal way. However (and here is where I'm ignorant as a result of never having received R-help as digest), your reply may not continue the thread -- since this depends on message-identifier headers being present which allow threading software to trace which messages are replies to which message. The JISCMAIL MIME digest for the AllStat mailing list only includes a Message-ID for the digest as a whole, i.e. the ID for the entire digest message. Message-IDs for the individual messages in the digest (as would be seen by people who received them singly) are absent: you only get the likes of Date:DoW, DD Mon HH:MM:SS TZ From:Sender (person who sent the message to the list) Subject: Subject of individual message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and no Message ID for the original message from Sender. So any reply to this component message is not identifiable as belonging to its thread. I don't know whether R-help's 'mailman' provides such headers (Martin??). If it does, then your reply could include an In-Reply-To: which identifies the thread. Otherwise it can't. As to (1), you will probably get several suggestions for suitable mail software. My own (see below) opens an AllStat digest in a window with attachment tags displayed, one for Tablf of Contents, one for each message. Clicking on one of these opens a new window with the message attached to that tag displayed, and now the usual reply/forward etc mail sunctions can be applied to that message. But it will reply only to the address given in the From: header (i.e. the original sender, as above), not to the AllStat list (so you have to enter that address by hand, if you want to reply to the list). In principle, mailer software could also identify the address of the list from which the digest has been sent, as well as the sender of the original message, so you could get the option to reply to either or both. But my XFMail does not, and only offers the original sender. Whether other mailer software can do this is for others to comment on! Hoping this helps, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 14-Jun-07 Time: 09:53:58 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Responding to a posting in the digest
At 08:26 14/06/2007, Moshe Olshansky wrote: Is there a convenient way to respond to a particular posting which is a part of the digest? I mean something that will automatically quote the original message, subject, etc. Yes, if you use appropriate mailing software. I use Eudora, receive the emails in MIME format and the responses do get properly threaded as far as I can see from the mailing list archives. Thank you! Moshe Olshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Dewey http://www.aghmed.fsnet.co.uk __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
