Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17.

[Paul Johnson]

I think I suck at email because I (thought I) answered this question in
this thread and yet I do not see my message in the new gmail display.  So,
in case you did not get this, here it is.

It is easy to build your own RPM for your system. I don't want to
discourage your from updating, but it would not be hard at all. (I wrote
out how a couple of years ago. http://pj.freefaculty.org/blog/?p=73. This
is the old style way, but I'm old)

I have a Fedora 17 virtual machine, but only in 32 bit.  I'm trying this
now.  R does not rely on cutting edge software, I'll be stunned if I can't
build it in Fedora 17.  F17 is still newer than EL6 in most things, after
all.

This is an old VM, I did not start it for at least 6 months. Not completely
up to date.  The first attempt to rebuild R fails, it needs RPMs for
libSM-devel, libICE-devel, libjpeg-devel, libpango-devel, libicu-devel, and
about 20 others.  I was little worried this will necessitate a complete
update.

No, OK.  I ran into a little wrinkle that it found an old version of the R
package "compiler" and tried to use that, but after removing R, I got a
clean build. Evidence:

http://pj.freefaculty.org/Fedora/17/i386/R

 R-3.0.1-2.fc17.i386.rpm

06-Aug-2013 15:58   18K
 R-3.0.1-2.fc17.src.rpm

06-Aug-2013 15:59   24M
 R-core-3.0.1-2.fc17...>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   52M
 R-core-devel-3.0.1-2..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   91K
 R-devel-3.0.1-2.fc17..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   17K
 R-java-3.0.1-2.fc17...>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   18K
 R-java-devel-3.0.1-2..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   18K
 libRmath-3.0.1-2.fc1..>

06-Aug-2013 15:58  244K
 libRmath-devel-3.0.1..>

06-Aug-2013 15:58   23K
 libRmath-static-3.0...>

06-Aug-2013 15:58  127K



There's one long-ish patch of almost build, then it fails because it finds
the old copy of R's compile. After removing old R, all good. But at the end
you see the RPM pop out.

It runs, I installed it. I can't say for sure if any functionality was
omitted because this particular vm lacked some other devel package. But it
proves a point. I guess you can tell if you look at the build output. I did
most of this work in an Emacs eshell, you can see errors and failures.

http://pj.freefaculty.org/Fedora/17/i386/R/shell-20130806.txt

The 64bit version is left as an exercise for the reader :) Or somebody else
who has a virtual machine for that. Or somebody who wants to incentivize me.

Although I changed to other linux systems, I still like RPM. The RPM system
is a very well thought out thing. And I marvel once again at the autoconf
magic of the R Core Team.  I've never had patience to learn that, but I
admire people who have.
pj


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Tom Callaway  wrote:

> On 08/02/2013 06:01 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw
> > my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
> > Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the
> > Fedora mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.
> >
> > I would just like to confirm that:
> >
> > It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for
> > version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from
> > CRAN is 3.0.1.
> >
> > I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe
> > using an incorrect repository).
>
> Nope, this is right. F17 just end-of-lifed, so I never did a 3.0.1 build
> for it (because it would also mean I had to rebuild every other R
> package in the Fedora 17 tree).
>
> Apologies for the inconvenience,
>
> ~tom
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Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17 --- thanks.

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Rolf Turner  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who responded and confirmed my hope that I am not such
> a complete idiot as I probably am! :-)

> Looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade soon, but.
 Psigh!!!

It is easy to build your own RPM for your system. I don't want to
discourage your from updating, but it would not be hard at all. (I wrote
out how a couple of years ago. http://pj.freefaculty.org/blog/?p=73. This
is the old style way, but I'm old)

I have a Fedora 17 virtual machine, but only in 32 bit.  I'm trying this
now.  R does not rely on cutting edge software, I'll be stunned if I can't
build it in Fedora 17.  F17 is still newer than EL6 in most things, after
all.

This is an old VM, I did not start it for at least 6 months. Not completely
up to date.  The first attempt to rebuild R fails, it needs RPMs for
libSM-devel, libICE-devel, libjpeg-devel, libpango-devel, libicu-devel, and
about 20 others.  I was little worried this will necessitate a complete
update.

No, OK.  I ran into a little wrinkle that it found an old version of the R
package "compiler" and tried to use that, but after removing R, I got a
clean build. Evidence:

http://pj.freefaculty.org/Fedora/17/i386/R

 R-3.0.1-2.fc17.i386.rpm

06-Aug-2013 15:58   18K
 R-3.0.1-2.fc17.src.rpm

06-Aug-2013 15:59   24M
 R-core-3.0.1-2.fc17...>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   52M
 R-core-devel-3.0.1-2..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   91K
 R-devel-3.0.1-2.fc17..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   17K
 R-java-3.0.1-2.fc17...>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   18K
 R-java-devel-3.0.1-2..>

06-Aug-2013 15:59   18K
 libRmath-3.0.1-2.fc1..>

06-Aug-2013 15:58  244K
 libRmath-devel-3.0.1..>

06-Aug-2013 15:58   23K
 libRmath-static-3.0...>

06-Aug-2013 15:58  127K



There's one long-ish patch of almost build, then it fails because it finds
the old copy of R's compile. After removing old R, all good. But at the end
you see the RPM pop out.

It runs, I installed it. I can't say for sure if any functionality was
omitted because this particular vm lacked some other devel package. But it
proves a point. I guess you can tell if you look at the build output. I did
most of this work in an Emacs eshell, you can see errors and failures.

http://pj.freefaculty.org/Fedora/17/i386/R/shell-20130806.txt

The 64bit version is left as an exercise for the reader :) Or somebody else
who has a virtual machine for that. Or somebody who wants to incentivize me.

Although I changed to other linux systems, I still like RPM. The RPM system
is a very well thought out thing. And I marvel once again at the autoconf
magic of the R Core Team.  I've never had patience to learn that, but I
admire people who have.
pj




> cheers,
>
> Rolf Turner
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Rolf Turner 
> wrote:
>
>  I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw
>> my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
>> Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the Fedora
>> mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.
>>
>> I would just like to confirm that:
>>
>>  It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
>>  Is this correcct?
>>
>> My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for
>> version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from CRAN
>> is 3.0.1.
>>
>> I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe
>> using an incorrect repository).
>>
>> I presume that the latest version of R is available as a binary only for
>> the last version (or last few versions) of Fedora.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm my presumption?
>>
>> No biggie.  I can build from source, and indeed have done so.   But
>> downloading a binary is quicker and I'd just like to get straight what the
>> true state of play is.
>>
>
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University of Kansas University of Kansas
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Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17 --- thanks.

[Rolf Turner]

Thanks to everyone who responded and confirmed my hope that I am not such
a complete idiot as I probably am! :-)

Looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade soon, but.  
Psigh!!!


cheers,

Rolf Turner

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Rolf Turner  wrote:


I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw
my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the Fedora
mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.

I would just like to confirm that:

 It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
 Is this correcct?

My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for
version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from CRAN
is 3.0.1.

I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe
using an incorrect repository).

I presume that the latest version of R is available as a binary only for
the last version (or last few versions) of Fedora.

Can anyone confirm my presumption?

No biggie.  I can build from source, and indeed have done so.   But
downloading a binary is quicker and I'd just like to get straight what the
true state of play is.


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Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17.

[Tom Callaway]

On 08/02/2013 06:01 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
> 
> 
> I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw
> my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
> Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the
> Fedora mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.
> 
> I would just like to confirm that:
> 
> It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
> 
> Is this correct?
> 
> My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for
> version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from
> CRAN is 3.0.1.
> 
> I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe
> using an incorrect repository).

Nope, this is right. F17 just end-of-lifed, so I never did a 3.0.1 build
for it (because it would also mean I had to rebuild every other R
package in the Fedora 17 tree).

Apologies for the inconvenience,

~tom

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Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17.

[Johannes Lips]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Rolf Turner  wrote:

>
>
> I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw
> my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
> Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the Fedora
> mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.
>
> I would just like to confirm that:
>
> It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
>

Is this correct?
>
> My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for
> version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from CRAN
> is 3.0.1.
>
> I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe
> using an incorrect repository).
>
> I presume that the latest version of R is available as a binary only for
> the last version (or last few versions) of Fedora.
>
> Can anyone confirm my presumption?
>
> No biggie.  I can build from source, and indeed have done so.   But
> downloading a binary is quicker and I'd just like to get straight what the
> true state of play is.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rolf Turner
>
> Hello Rolf,

this seems to be the case, that f17 is not updated to 3.0.1, but all other
branches are. So you just need to upgrade to f18, which is not the latest
fedora release. The latest stable release is f19, but with the upgrade to
f18 you would buy yourself time until one month after the release of fedora
20.
For a quick overview:
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/R-core/overview/

I hope this helps and explains the issue.

Johannes

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Re: [R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17.

[Marc Schwartz]

On Aug 2, 2013, at 5:01 AM, Rolf Turner  wrote:

> 
> 
> I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw my 
> courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
> Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the Fedora 
> mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.
> 
> I would just like to confirm that:
> 
>It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.
> 
> Is this correct?
> 
> My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for 
> version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from CRAN is 
> 3.0.1.
> 
> I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe using 
> an incorrect repository).
> 
> I presume that the latest version of R is available as a binary only for the 
> last version (or last few versions) of Fedora.
> 
> Can anyone confirm my presumption?
> 
> No biggie.  I can build from source, and indeed have done so.   But 
> downloading a binary is quicker and I'd just like to get straight what the 
> true state of play is.
> 
>cheers,
> 
>Rolf Turner


Hi Rolf,

Fedora 19, just released last month, is the current stable version. 20 is not 
scheduled for release until mid-November at the earliest.

The problem is that Fedora 17 will be EOL'd "shortly", since the Fedora life 
cycle is to maintain a given version until one month after the +2 version 
release, which for 17 is 19. Each version has a lifecycle of roughly 13 months, 
since new releases comes out roughly every 6 months. As a result, no further 
updates for R, much less anything else (eg. bug fixes, kernel updates, security 
updates, etc.), for 17 should be expected at this point. 18 will similarly go 
EOL in December if 20 is released in November.

R 3.0.1 is available via the Fedora repos for 18 and 19. So you should really 
give strong consideration for updating your Fedora version, whether that be 'in 
place' or via a clean install. I used to do the latter, making sure that my 
/home was a separate partition, so that I could cleanly install a new version 
of the OS without losing my user folder tree. I have not used Fedora in several 
years now, so have not followed the current state of the upgrade process, other 
than having a general awareness of 'fedup', which is the new upgrade tool and I 
believe started with 17. 

Regards,

Marc Schwartz

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[R-sig-Fedora] R binaries for Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

I am currently (still) running Fedora 17 --- having not managed to screw 
my courage to the sticking place and upgrade.
Even though we are now up to Fedora 20, I think. The traffic on the 
Fedora mailing list on the upgrading issue is a bit terrifying.


I would just like to confirm that:

It is ***NOT*** possible to download a binary of R for  Fedora 17.

Is this correct?

My efforts to obtain a binary using yum install resulted in a binary for 
version 2.15.2.  (Whereas of course the source version available from 
CRAN is 3.0.1.


I just wanted to check that I am not doing something stupid (like maybe 
using an incorrect repository).


I presume that the latest version of R is available as a binary only for 
the last version (or last few versions) of Fedora.


Can anyone confirm my presumption?

No biggie.  I can build from source, and indeed have done so.   But 
downloading a binary is quicker and I'd just like to get straight what 
the true state of play is.


cheers,

Rolf Turner

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