[R-sig-phylo] Show Informative Sites?

2011-09-19 Thread Leandro Jones
Nick´s rules won´t allways work in a Parsimony context. For example, a
position like this one:
1 A
2 A
3 T
4 C
would be informative under rules (a) and (b), but it is in reality
uninformative, as any of the possible trees have a length of 2. Thus,
this character tells us nothing about _phylogeny_.

I don´t know of any R function capable of solving Jimmy´s problem, but
I would suggest using TNT. TNT implements a function (isinfo) that
tells you if a given character is or is not informative.

Hope this helps.
Leandro

2011/9/17 Nick Matzke mat...@berkeley.edu:
 All sites are informative under likelihood, but I assume you mean
 parsimony-informative, in which case all you have to do is count which sites
 are either (a) uniform or (b) uniform except for differences found only in a
 single species.

 Probably easiest if you convert the read.nexus.data output to a dataframe
 with as.data.frame, then use unique and == to count the number of states in
 each site...


 On 9/17/11 11:21 AM, Jimmy O'Donnell wrote:

 Hi all,

 A simple question to which I can't seem to find an answer: is there a way
 to show only the informative sites of a DNA sequence dataset in R?

 Thanks,

 Jimmy
 --
 Jimmy O'Donnell
 PhD Candidate
 Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
 University of California
 Santa Cruz, CA 95060
 jodonn...@biology.ucsc.edu
 (407)744-3377

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 University of California, Berkeley

 Graduate Student Instructor, IB200B
 Principles of Phylogenetics: Ecology and Evolution
 http://ib.berkeley.edu/courses/ib200b/
 http://phylo.wikidot.com/


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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Show Informative Sites?

2011-09-19 Thread Emmanuel Paradis
Hi all,

It can be done with phyloch but I forgot the name of the function.

HTH

Emmanuel
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Subject: [R-sig-phylo]  Show Informative Sites?

Nick´s rules won´t allways work in a Parsimony context. For example, a
position like this one:
1 A
2 A
3 T
4 C
would be informative under rules (a) and (b), but it is in reality
uninformative, as any of the possible trees have a length of 2. Thus,
this character tells us nothing about _phylogeny_.

I don´t know of any R function capable of solving Jimmy´s problem, but
I would suggest using TNT. TNT implements a function (isinfo) that
tells you if a given character is or is not informative.

Hope this helps.
Leandro

2011/9/17 Nick Matzke mat...@berkeley.edu:
 All sites are informative under likelihood, but I assume you mean
 parsimony-informative, in which case all you have to do is count which sites
 are either (a) uniform or (b) uniform except for differences found only in a
 single species.

 Probably easiest if you convert the read.nexus.data output to a dataframe
 with as.data.frame, then use unique and == to count the number of states in
 each site...


 On 9/17/11 11:21 AM, Jimmy O'Donnell wrote:

 Hi all,

 A simple question to which I can't seem to find an answer: is there a way
 to show only the informative sites of a DNA sequence dataset in R?

 Thanks,

 Jimmy
 --
 Jimmy O'Donnell
 PhD Candidate
 Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
 University of California
 Santa Cruz, CA 95060
 jodonn...@biology.ucsc.edu
 (407)744-3377

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 Nicholas J. Matzke
 Ph.D. Candidate, Graduate Student Researcher

 Huelsenbeck Lab
 Center for Theoretical Evolutionary Genomics
 4151 VLSB (Valley Life Sciences Building)
 Department of Integrative Biology
 University of California, Berkeley

 Graduate Student Instructor, IB200B
 Principles of Phylogenetics: Ecology and Evolution
 http://ib.berkeley.edu/courses/ib200b/
 http://phylo.wikidot.com/


 Lab websites:
 http://ib.berkeley.edu/people/lab_detail.php?lab=54
 http://fisher.berkeley.edu/cteg/hlab.html
 Dept. personal page:
 http://ib.berkeley.edu/people/students/person_detail.php?person=370
 Lab personal page: http://fisher.berkeley.edu/cteg/members/matzke.html
 Lab phone: 510-643-6299
 Dept. fax: 510-643-6264

 Cell phone: 510-301-0179
 Email: mat...@berkeley.edu

 Mailing address:
 Department of Integrative Biology
 3060 VLSB #3140
 Berkeley, CA 94720-3140

 -
 [W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people
 thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that
 thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is
 flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.

 Isaac Asimov (1989). The Relativity of Wrong. The Skeptical Inquirer,
 14(1), 35-44. Fall 1989.
 http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

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