Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Slater, Graham
Hi Daniel,

There’s a difference between a method being able to handle fossil data, that is 
a dataset consisting of a non-ultrametric tree an data for all tips including 
non contemporaneous ones, and a method allowing you to directly specify trait 
values at nodes. Most trait evolution methods allow you to do the former (I 
don’t know for sure but I expect OUCH does). For the latter, which you want to 
do, there is a function in geiger (described in Slater, Harmon, and Alfaro 2012 
Evolution), that allows you to place informative prior probability 
distributions on node trait values based on the fossil record. But this only 
allows for fitting simple models and not complex OU scenarios you might want to 
test. As a hack, I’d suggest adding zero length branches to all nodes in your 
tree and assigning your reconstructed node values to these. This will produce 
identical results to specifying node values directly. Zero length branches can 
be problematic for matrix operations required to compute likelihoods in R and 
so you might need to explore minimally short branch lengths (10^-5 time units 
has worked for me in the past). This all should have the same effect as 
specifying node values, but Aaron will need to confirm that it would work in 
OUCH.

I would question though whether this is a good strategy - you’re assuming your 
ML estimates of node states , presumably inferred under BM, are robust enough 
to be fixed for subsequent macroevolutionary analyses. Given how dicey  ASRs 
are, even when you include fossil data, this seems a big stretch. If this is a 
route you really want to go, perhaps explore using a restricted set of inferred 
node states - for example only those nodes in the extant taxon tree that are 
directly ancestral to a fossil taxon, to explore how much this approach 
influences your results.

g

Graham Slater
Peter Buck Post-Doctoral Fellow
Department of Paleobiology
National Museum of Natural History
The Smithsonian Institution [NHB, MRC 121]
P.O. Box 37012


(202) 633-1316
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On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Daniel Fulop 
dfulop@gmail.commailto:dfulop@gmail.com wrote:

Isn't at least some of this functionality in mvSLOUCH and/or geiger?
...it's definitely the case that mvSLOUCH can handle missing data at the
tips, and I think fossil data can be incorporated in it and geiger as
well. At least Slater 2013 has code for incorporating fossils in geiger
or modified geiger functions.



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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Slater, Graham
Oops - sorry Daniel, yes that should have been addressed to Nathan...

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On Jun 4, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Daniel Fulop 
dfulop@gmail.commailto:dfulop@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Graham  ...but I'm not the OP.  I was just shooting off a quick lead 
without actually checking the specifics in case it was useful.


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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Daniel Fulop
Thanks, Graham ...but I'm not the OP. I was just shooting off a quick 
lead without actually checking the specifics in case it was useful.

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Problem with traitDependentBAMM function

2015-06-04 Thread Huateng Huang
Hi Diego,

This error occurs when traitDependentBAMM gets a posterior sample with no
rate shift, so that is why �the standard deviation is zero�.

Now we fixed this issue in the github version of BAMMtools,
https://github.com/macroevolution/bammtools

By the way, the manuscript describing this is still in review and it's best
viewed as experimental until that manuscript is accepted.

Let me know if there is any more problem,

Huateng
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Museum of Zoology
University of Michigan
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 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Diego Salazar dsala...@ugr.es
 Subject: [R-sig-phylo] Problem with traitDependentBAMM function
 Date: June 4, 2015 8:25:10 AM EDT
 To: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am using BAMM and BAMMtools for analyse effect of a continuous trait on
 evolutionary rates. But I have a problem with traitDependentBAMM function,
 there is a warning which is repeated a lot of times:
 
 1: In cor(rank(x), rank(y)) : the standard deviation is zero
 
 On the other hand in results, $estimate and $p.value are NA.
 
 My script is this:
 test-traitDependentBAMM(eventdata, trait, reps=1000, return.full = T,
method = 'spearman',logrates = T, two.tailed = T,
 traitorder = positive)
 
 Where evendata is a bammdata object and trait is a vector with trait values
 and tips of bammdata.
 
 Someone knows what is the problem?
 
 Thanks in advanced
 
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Julien Clavel
Hi Nathan,
Although it is still possible to impute the missing data prior to the analysis, 
you can fit multivariate models with missing cases (NA values), using the 
mvMORPH (development version) from my gitHubhttps://github.com/JClavel/mvMORPH/
Non-ultrametric trees (trees with fossil species) are also allowed and you can 
compute the root state using the param list.
HTH,
Julien


Short example derived after the code of the help page of mvOU:data2-data# put 
some missing casesdata2[8,2]-NAdata2[25,1]-NA
#then you can fit both data2 or data
mvOU(tree, data2)
 From: slat...@si.edu
 To: dfulop@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 21:22:46 +
 CC: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 There�s a difference between a method being able to handle fossil data, that 
 is a dataset consisting of a non-ultrametric tree an data for all tips 
 including non contemporaneous ones, and a method allowing you to directly 
 specify trait values at nodes. Most trait evolution methods allow you to do 
 the former (I don�t know for sure but I expect OUCH does). For the latter, 
 which you want to do, there is a function in geiger (described in Slater, 
 Harmon, and Alfaro 2012 Evolution), that allows you to place informative 
 prior probability distributions on node trait values based on the fossil 
 record. But this only allows for fitting simple models and not complex OU 
 scenarios you might want to test. As a hack, I�d suggest adding zero length 
 branches to all nodes in your tree and assigning your reconstructed node 
 values to these. This will produce identical results to specifying node 
 values directly. Zero length branches can be problematic for matrix 
 operations required to compute likelihoods in R and so you might need to 
 explore minimally short branch lengths (10^-5 time units has worked for me in 
 the past). This all should have the same effect as specifying node values, 
 but Aaron will need to confirm that it would work in OUCH.
 
 I would question though whether this is a good strategy - you�re assuming 
 your ML estimates of node states , presumably inferred under BM, are robust 
 enough to be fixed for subsequent macroevolutionary analyses. Given how dicey 
  ASRs are, even when you include fossil data, this seems a big stretch. If 
 this is a route you really want to go, perhaps explore using a restricted set 
 of inferred node states - for example only those nodes in the extant taxon 
 tree that are directly ancestral to a fossil taxon, to explore how much this 
 approach influences your results.
 
 g
 
 Graham Slater
 Peter Buck Post-Doctoral Fellow
 Department of Paleobiology
 National Museum of Natural History
 The Smithsonian Institution [NHB, MRC 121]
 P.O. Box 37012
 
 
 (202) 633-1316
 slat...@si.edumailto:slat...@si.edu
 www.fourdimensionalbiology.comhttp://www.fourdimensionalbiology.com
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Daniel Fulop 
 dfulop@gmail.commailto:dfulop@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Isn't at least some of this functionality in mvSLOUCH and/or geiger?
 ...it's definitely the case that mvSLOUCH can handle missing data at the
 tips, and I think fossil data can be incorporated in it and geiger as
 well. At least Slater 2013 has code for incorporating fossils in geiger
 or modified geiger functions.
 
 
 
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Aaron King
Couldn't remember, so went and looked.  Turns out that NAs are a problem in
the tips.  This isn't necessitated by the structure of the problem, only by
the structure of the package, i.e., because ouchtrees are constructed in
ignorance of where the data are.  Unfortunately, it will require
substantial refactoring to get this little bit of extra functionality

As for the original poster's question: no, there is currently no way in
'ouch' to incorporate fossil data (i.e., data at internal nodes).

Does anyone know: has someone else already implemented this for the
Ornstein-Uhlenbeck or Brownian motion processes?

A.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:00 PM, David Bapst dwba...@gmail.com wrote:
 While contemplating Nate's question, I wondered, doesn't hansen
 currently support NA codings for missing variables for tip taxa?
 Unfortunately the donotrun{} example for hansen() using geiger data
 isn't currently functioning, so I couldn't test this.

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread David Bapst
Aaron,

While contemplating Nate's question, I wondered, doesn't hansen
currently support NA codings for missing variables for tip taxa?
Unfortunately the donotrun{} example for hansen() using geiger data
isn't currently functioning, so I couldn't test this.

-Dave Bapst

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Aaron King kin...@umich.edu wrote:
 Interesting question, Nate.  Do I understand you to say that you have data
 on some variables (and not others) at internal nodes?  If so, what happens
 when you just add those to the data, with NA to indicate missing values?
 Have you tried this?

 A.

 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Nathan Thompson 
 nathan.thomp...@stonybrook.edu wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am performing an multivariate analysis in ouch on a group of extant
 species. I would ideally like to include information for fossil taxa in the
 analysis, however, no single fossil taxon preserves all of the variables of
 interest. However, I have performed univariate ancestral state
 reconstructions (with fossils) and obtained estimates of the node values.

 Is there any way, in a multivariate ouch analysis, to 'constrain' nodes to
 certain values based on this a priori knowledge of ancestral states?

 I realize the alternative would be to just run separate univariate OU
 analyses for each variable (including fossils), but I would like to do this
 in a multivariate framework.

 Thank you,

 Nathan E Thompson
 Doctoral Candidate
 Dept. of Anatomical Sciences
 Stony Brook University
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Aaron King
Interesting question, Nate.  Do I understand you to say that you have data
on some variables (and not others) at internal nodes?  If so, what happens
when you just add those to the data, with NA to indicate missing values?
Have you tried this?

A.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Nathan Thompson 
nathan.thomp...@stonybrook.edu wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am performing an multivariate analysis in ouch on a group of extant
 species. I would ideally like to include information for fossil taxa in the
 analysis, however, no single fossil taxon preserves all of the variables of
 interest. However, I have performed univariate ancestral state
 reconstructions (with fossils) and obtained estimates of the node values.

 Is there any way, in a multivariate ouch analysis, to 'constrain' nodes to
 certain values based on this a priori knowledge of ancestral states?

 I realize the alternative would be to just run separate univariate OU
 analyses for each variable (including fossils), but I would like to do this
 in a multivariate framework.

 Thank you,

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 Doctoral Candidate
 Dept. of Anatomical Sciences
 Stony Brook University
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[R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Nathan Thompson
Hi all,

I am performing an multivariate analysis in ouch on a group of extant
species. I would ideally like to include information for fossil taxa in the
analysis, however, no single fossil taxon preserves all of the variables of
interest. However, I have performed univariate ancestral state
reconstructions (with fossils) and obtained estimates of the node values.

Is there any way, in a multivariate ouch analysis, to 'constrain' nodes to
certain values based on this a priori knowledge of ancestral states?

I realize the alternative would be to just run separate univariate OU
analyses for each variable (including fossils), but I would like to do this
in a multivariate framework.

Thank you,

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Doctoral Candidate
Dept. of Anatomical Sciences
Stony Brook University
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] A perfect storm: phylogenetic trees, random effects and zero-inflated binomial data

2015-06-04 Thread Diederik Strubbe
Hi all,

thank you for your suggestions! I will delve into the suggested packages
and may come back to you when the learning curve becomes too steep :-).

thanks again,

Diederik

On 6/3/2015 5:44 PM, Peter Smits wrote:
 The alternative to MCMCglmm would be to use stan or bugs for writing
 your own sampling statement + priors. You'll have more control than
 with MCMCglmm, but it will have even more of a learning curve.

 Using stan will also most likely be faster than using any single R
 package.

 Cheers,

 Peter

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 mailto:diederik.stru...@uantwerpen.be wrote:

 Dear all,



 I am struggling with analysing a dataset aimed at explaining invasion
 success of non-native species. At a country level, I need to relate
 invasion success (binomial: 0 for failed invasions, 1 for success) to
 socio-economic variables, taking into account

 -  Phylogenetic relatedness among introduced species:
 including
 a phylogenetic tree

 -  Country as a random effect

 -  The fact that data are zero-inflated (most
 introductions fail).



 Any suggestions for R packages that can handle a binomial response
 variable, phylogenetic trees, random effects and zero-inflation?



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[R-sig-phylo] Phylogenetic PCA

2015-06-04 Thread Sergio Ferreira Cardoso
Dear all,

I'm wondering if there is a package in R with which I can run a
phylogenetic PCA. Please, if you know something or if you you know another
software useful to use this technique, let me know.
Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Phylogenetic PCA

2015-06-04 Thread Vojtěch Zeisek
Hello

Dne Čt 4. června 2015 11:26:10, Sergio Ferreira Cardoso napsal(a):
 Dear all,
 
 I'm wondering if there is a package in R with which I can run a
 phylogenetic PCA. Please, if you know something or if you you know another
 software useful to use this technique, let me know.

Function ppca from package adephylo.

 Thanks in advance.
 
 Best regards,
 Sérgio.

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Phylogenetic PCA

2015-06-04 Thread Thomas Püschel
Hi Sergio,


there you go http://blog.phytools.org/2011/04/new-function-phylpca.html
http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/phytools/index.html

best wishes

2015-06-04 11:26 GMT+01:00 Sergio Ferreira Cardoso 
sff.card...@campus.fct.unl.pt:

 Dear all,

 I'm wondering if there is a package in R with which I can run a
 phylogenetic PCA. Please, if you know something or if you you know another
 software useful to use this technique, let me know.
 Thanks in advance.

 Best regards,
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Converting species cladogram to dendrogram for heatmap with R

2015-06-04 Thread Liam J. Revell

Hi Anand.

Have you tried eliminating spaces  line breaks from your Newick string. 
When I do that I am able to read the tree with read.newick with no problem.


All the best, Liam

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On 6/4/2015 1:02 AM, Anand K S Rao wrote:

(Mt3.5v5, Mt4.0v1), Car), (((Pvu186, Pvu218), (Gma109,
Gma189)), Cca))), (((Ppe139, Mdo196), Fve226), Csa122)), Ath167,
Aly107), Cru183), (Bra197, Tha173)), Cpa113), (Gra221, Tca233)), (Csi154,
(Ccl165, Ccl182))), ((Mes147, Rco119),(Lus200, (Ptr156, Ptr210,
Egr201)), Vvi145), ((Stu206, Sly225), Mgu140)), Aco195), (((Sbi79,
Zma181),(Sit164, Pvi202)), (Osa193, Bdi192))), Smo91), Ppa152), (((Cre169,
Vca199), Csu227), ((Mpu228, Mpu229), Olu231)));


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[R-sig-phylo] Problem with traitDependentBAMM function

2015-06-04 Thread Diego Salazar

Hi all,

I am using BAMM and BAMMtools for analyse effect of a continuous trait 
on evolutionary rates. But I have a problem with traitDependentBAMM 
function, there is a warning which is repeated a lot of times:


1: In cor(rank(x), rank(y)) : the standard deviation is zero

On the other hand in results, $estimate and $p.value are NA.

My script is this:
test-traitDependentBAMM(eventdata, trait, reps=1000, return.full = T,
   method = 'spearman',logrates = T, two.tailed = T, 
traitorder = positive)


Where evendata is a bammdata object and trait is a vector with trait 
values and tips of bammdata.


Someone knows what is the problem?

Thanks in advanced

Diego

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Constraining node values in an OUCH analysis

2015-06-04 Thread Daniel Fulop
Isn't at least some of this functionality in mvSLOUCH and/or geiger? 
...it's definitely the case that mvSLOUCH can handle missing data at the 
tips, and I think fossil data can be incorporated in it and geiger as 
well. At least Slater 2013 has code for incorporating fossils in geiger 
or modified geiger functions.



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