HI all, 

I would personally be unhappy if in racketlang2 we would remove the  (). I 
don't think they represent a real issue. 

Just to share my personal experience a professional programmer. I learned 
clojure  like 7 months ago and now I'm learning racketlang and  I never 
felt the () as a barrier.

best

Am Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 03:42:14 UTC+2 schrieb Greg Hendershott:
>
> > I've taught the exact same material at the start of a 3rd year CS PL 
> > course, and the students there didn't find the syntax as easy as one 
> would 
> > hope for students with that much CS “experience”. In fact, 
> unsurprisingly, 
> > many find the syntax as hard as expected for having trained on very 
> > different syntaxes (especially when they are unclear about the semantics 
> > that were attached to those syntaxes). Although the switch to teaching 
> the 
> > start of the course with literally the same materials, with the students 
> > knowing that, seems to have reduced resistance substantially (presumably 
> > they don't want to be seen as complaining about something 1st year 
> > humantities students are fine with). 
>
> This makes me wonder if some experienced programmers dislike simple 
> syntax, not just because it is unfamiliar to them, but also because it 
> is too simple to serve as an effective in-group filter. If humanities 
> students are comfortable, we must raise the barrier to entry. ;) 
>
>
> p.s. I just now stumbled across the Iron Ring obtained from the Ritual 
> of the Calling of an Engineer. Probably everyone has heard of this 
> except me, but if anyone hasn't: 
>
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_of_the_Calling_of_an_Engineer 
>

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