Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-28 Thread Tony T

jmpage2;483307 Wrote: 
 The Radio alarm is proven to WORK even if there is no internet or server
 connectivity.  There is even a local alarm sound that will function if
 the selected playback media is unavailable.

I can't get the backup alarm to fire.  I do not have a sb server, just
a wireless internet connection with the SB Radio connecting to
mysqueezbox.com.

If my router and wireless is powered-down, when the SB Radio Alarm
triggers first a screen flashes with the no network screen, then the
Alarm Snooze / Off Screen, BUT, no back-up alarm.  (also  tried a
factory reset).

Tony


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-14 Thread davenva

In reference to the post I'm a big fan of SB players and recommend them
to anyone that will listen, but as soon as can I use it as an alarm
clock comes up I simply answer NO! Buy the SB player for music, keep
your current alarm clock!

50+ years ago, people had both a radio and a clock on the table next to
their bed.  Then someone had the great idea of combining them in one
device - a clock radio - it caught on!

The Squeezebox Radio is a clock radio.  Only difference is that the
radio part offers a lot more than just radio.  No reason that the
clock portion should function as poorly as it does, when compared to
an old-fashioned clock radio.  That time-proven model is a good one to
follow for alarms  a snooze feature.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-13 Thread 0xdeadbeef

IMHO the first thing that really needs to be fixed is the Radio loosing
connection to MYSB.COM. Indeed after more than 6 hours in standby (soft
off), there's a 90% chance that my Radio looses the connection to
MYSB.COM and doesn't even try to reconnect when I press e.g. the alarm
button. And let me emphasize that neither my internet connection nor the
WLAN setup is the problem. Indeed even the stream is played at the
correct time, so this can't be a connection problem on my side.

The main problem with this is that I need to get to the menu and select
the Last.fm entry since this seems to be more or less the only way to
re-establish the broken connection. There are several facts that hint
that the Radio is not even aware that the connection was lost and thus
gets into an undefined state as the software developers obviously forgot
to add a sensible fault handling for this case.
The fact that the Radio just beeps in this state when I press e.g. the
alarm button instead of trying to reconnect is a major design flaw.
Indeed there should be also a timer event that checks the connection
every e.g. 10 minutes. Else chances are that the Radio doesn't receive a
new alarm setup via MYSB which is really a big problem since you have to
rely on a programmed alarm.

As a side note: it's not only that the alarm menu is not shown in this
faulty state. Also the whole system behavior is erratic. E.g. while the
programmed station is played, it usually stops after a few minutes
instead of playing for the full alarm time. Which is also a very big
problem as chances are that I miss the alarm or fall asleep again when
it plays only for a few minutes.
Sometimes playing continues in this case when I press the knob,
sometimes it doesn't. In the end I really need to navigate to the main
menu and select Last.fm before the alarm menu pops up. And all of this
in darkness and without glasses.

Obviously this doesn't happen for all customers so maybe it's related
to dynamic IP or maybe it's a problem in my local MYSB node (the system
info hints that the Radio indeed connects to a nearby datacenter and not
to the American server). Yet it's really a shame that such a basic
design fault survived the beta phase and was not even fixed with 7.4.1.


I understand that some features like a better NP screen and
customization features need some time. Yet the most basic functions for
a bedside radio MUST work soon. And nothing is more important than a
working and reliable alarm feature. 

So I REALLY, REALLY hope that I don't have to wait for December or
January when 7.5 is released, before at least the alarm works reliably.
This could be such a great product with a mature software and a better
display layout. Currently it's pretty much frustrating.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-12 Thread toby10

jmpage2;484438 Wrote: 
 I think the bigger issue for me is the fact that the alarm didn't do the
 volumee ramp up.
 
 I would like to see a fixed brightness for alarm playback since it's
 kind of important to see the screen well enough to make out the time.  I
 don't even recommend that this be user controllable, just make it so
 that when the alarm is going off the brightness is minimum 25%, etc.
 
 For me it's not a big deal to have separate controlled brightness for
 all the different player states you mention.

Yeah, completely agree on a minimum brightness when an alarm goes off. 
Not only to see the time but also to help navigate the buttons for
snooze etc..
My idea for user controlled brightness per screen is because 25%
minimum brightness may work for you, but the next person may want 50%.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-12 Thread jmpage2

toby10;484521 Wrote: 
 Yeah, completely agree on a minimum brightness when an alarm goes off. 
 Not only to see the time but also to help navigate the buttons for
 snooze etc..
 My idea for user controlled brightness per screen is because 25%
 minimum brightness may work for you, but the next person may want 50%.

It becomes a slippery slope to how much user customization you want and
how complex it makes the product.

For example, I would like three choices when the alarm goes off;

1.  Snooze
2.  Disable Alarm
3.  Disable Alarm - keep playing radio

I have not put in an enhancement request for this because it's small
potatoes right now when they have much bigger stuff to nail down, and at
the end of the day I might be the only user who desires this.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-12 Thread jmhusson

I also bought a Squeezebox Boom to wake up my wife 3 days a week and
didn't succeed to have it work (I even returned the first device and got
an other one under warranty with the agreement of Logitech Hot Line).

1/ There are 3 ways to set up the alarm: SB server, mysqueezebox, front
panel. Most of the time, the alarm setup vanished although no further
action is made (no reset, no unplug, no other setups...) whatever way
would be used.

2/ My network works perfectly fine (I am a professional software
developper and i work at home), when we are lucky, we get get the beep
sound (even with a wired ethernet connexion and a fixed IP address),
very often we get nothing: no more alarm in the parameters.

I think i tried all the combinations of connecting (wifi, wire) to a
server (local SB server, mysqueezebox) with an alarm programmed through
one of the three interfaces. From time to time, I get it working
(especially in test condition: alarm to fire 10 minutes after) but most
of the time it just disappears.

Just because of remark #1, I am pretty sure there is a bug somewhere in
the alarm module and many people seem to encouter difficulties with this
function.

Does Logitech recognize there is a bug in there ?
Is somebody working on it ?

JM / Lyon / France


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-11 Thread jmpage2

My alarm did something unusual today so I thought it would be fun to
tack it onto this thread.

Last night I changed my Alarm 1 to a new time, 2 hours earlier than it
had been set to.  This alarm plays back a playlist of 2,000 tracks and
has been working fine.

This morning the alarm fired at the correct time, but it did not ramp
up the volume as it is programmed to do.  Instead, it just kind of made
a noise and then all of a sudden was playing at the full alarm volume.

To add to the weirdness, I noticed I could not make out the time on the
alarm.  It seems as though the ambient light sensor was stuck in cave
mode and was dimmed almost completely.

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to add an enhancement wherein when
the alarm fires it puts the radio on a pre-determined brightness setting
so that it will be more visible in a dark room.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-11 Thread bluegaspode

jmpage2;484133 Wrote: 
 This morning the alarm fired at the correct time, but it did not ramp up
 the volume as it is programmed to do.  Instead, it just kind of made a
 noise and then all of a sudden was playing at the full alarm volume.

HA ! And now have your radio on the bedside of your wife and you know
how I felt when starting my posts and bug reports :)
Dimming is a minor problem then, when her eyes try to kill you ...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-11 Thread jmpage2

toby10;484163 Wrote: 
 Uh huh... see post #5:)
 
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70618

I think the bigger issue for me is the fact that the alarm didn't do
the volumee ramp up.

I would like to see a fixed brightness for alarm playback since it's
kind of important to see the screen well enough to make out the time.  I
don't even recommend that this be user controllable, just make it so
that when the alarm is going off the brightness is minimum 25%, etc.

For me it's not a big deal to have separate controlled brightness for
all the different player states you mention.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread toby10

davenva;483579 Wrote: 
 ..My post intent was pretty simple - Wake me up at the time that
 I set the alarm to.  Don't let a power failure, server failure, network
 failure, server setting, or anything else let me oversleep  be late for
 work

This is why I've never used a SB player for alarm purposes (I honestly
don't even know how to set an alarm on one).
I don't even choose to have them display the clock.  I have more
friggin clocks on more unrelated appliances than I care to count.
Way too many interrelated factors to perform a simple task that can be
accomplished flawlessly with a standalone $5 alarm clock with a simple
9v battery back up.

Over engineered products demanded by consumers who want every device to
perform every possible task conceivable, then complain of that products
complexity.

I'm a big fan of SB players and recommend them to anyone that will
listen, but as soon as can I use it as an alarm clock comes up I
simply answer NO!  Buy the SB player for music, keep your current alarm
clock!  :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread garym

Don't have the SB radio, but my BOOM alarm wakes me every morning
playing an internet radio station from my favorites. Has worked
flawlessly everyday for a year or so


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread toby10

bluegaspode;483728 Wrote: 
 Um, 
 but the SB Radio is this deviced supposed to take your bedside and
 replace the older alarm ?
 
 From amazon:

Yes, that is one of it's marketing ideas.  Would I recommend such a
device be used for alarm clock replacement, no.   :)
The absence of a simple battery backup ALONE makes this unacceptable
for alarm clock use, IMO.

My PS3 and AVR are both capable of streaming music, but I'd recommend a
SB player.
My oven and microwave and coffee maker can all be used as timers, but
I'd recommend a simple timer.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread jmpage2

toby10;483741 Wrote: 
 Yes, that is one of it's marketing ideas.  Would I recommend such a
 device be used for alarm clock replacement, no.   :)
 The absence of a simple battery backup ALONE makes this unacceptable
 for alarm clock use, IMO.
 
 My PS3 and AVR are both capable of streaming music, but I'd recommend a
 SB player.
 My oven and microwave and coffee maker can all be used as timers, but
 I'd recommend a simple timer.

The SB Radio works great as an alarm.  There is room for some
enhancement and obviously issues with battery if you have unstable power
in your area.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread toby10

jmpage2;483743 Wrote: 
 The SB Radio works great as an alarm.  There is room for some
 enhancement and obviously issues with battery if you have unstable power
 in your area.

I'm sure it does work great as an alarm if your network is up
if your computer hasn't gone to sleep... if MySB has not gone down
if your power has not gone out if your router hasn't hiccuped if
it's fail safe settings are functioning if you pressed the correct
button in the dark to SNOOZE the alarm and not inadvertently dismissed
the alarm if

Just too many things in the mix to go wrong, for me.

People use their SB3 for their alarm clock. *shrug*

My power is no more unstable than Denver, but it's not perfect.

I can only offer my opinion from my experience and my needs.  For *me*
I cannot risk missing a flight or being late for a business appointment
due to a network glitch or the lack of a 50 cent 9v battery. 

But that's just *me*.   :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread MelonMonkey

I haven't seen any regular alarm clock radio where the alarm can still
sound during a power outage.  The 9v battery backup in these types of
alarms only keeps the correct time for when the mains power comes back
on.  Many such alarms also break down after a while, can have their
volume levels at zero without you knowing it, the radio station might be
off the air, etc.

Yes, there are potentially more failure points to a client-server
product, but the Radio and Boom can sound an alarm without a server
present.  You also forgot the biggest failure point of all.  Simply
sleeping through the alarm.

Myself, I usually wake up from 1 to 5 minutes before any alarm I set,
regardless of what time it's for and regardless of where I'm sleeping. 
But that's just me. ;)

I'm tossing my current clock radio when the SBS comes in.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-10 Thread toby10

MelonMonkey;483894 Wrote: 
 I haven't seen any regular alarm clock radio where the alarm can still
 sound during a power outage.  The 9v battery backup in these types of
 alarms only keeps the correct time for when the mains power comes back
 on.  Many such alarms also break down after a while, can have their
 volume levels at zero without you knowing it, the radio station might be
 off the air, etc.
 
 Yes, there are potentially more failure points to a client-server
 product, but the Radio and Boom can sound an alarm without a server
 present.  You also forgot the biggest failure point of all.  Simply
 sleeping through the alarm.
 
 Myself, I usually wake up from 1 to 5 minutes before any alarm I set,
 regardless of what time it's for and regardless of where I'm sleeping. 
 But that's just me. ;)
 
 I'm tossing my current clock radio when the SBS comes in.  If you're
 not intending to wake up to music, then just use any old buzzer alarm -
 or the one on your watch, phone, iPod, TV, whatever.

Don't know where you get that a $5 alarm clock with a battery backup
won't sound an alarm during a power outage, mine do.  My one clock went
for weeks not even plugged in before I noticed the cord unplugged.
Every symptom you detail (volume at zero, station off the air) are also
potential problems to Radio and Boom (in addition to the dozen other
things that can go haywire on a networked device). 

I am certain MANY will buy this great Radio for use as a bedside
alarm/clock/radio and LOVE it for such use.  But not I.   :)
Also, check out the Boom forum for the posts on when the failsafe alarm
did not function.

But then I'm not the type to lay in bed to listen to music either. 
Like you I also tend to wake up just before the alarm goes off, in any
part of the world, in any time zone.  It is odd.   :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-09 Thread toby10

bluegaspode;483316 Wrote: 
 I somewhere read that the Boom had a small battery just to play
 the backup-alarm, when the power is down.
 I somehow expected the same from the radio - but a quick test showed
 that this isn't true as well :(

I don't use the Boom for alarms, but I believe the very small battery
in the Boom is only to maintain the onboard RTC and will not function in
any way (including alarms) if the Boom has no power.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-09 Thread bluegaspode

toby10;483365 Wrote: 
 I don't use the Boom for alarms, but I believe the very small battery in
 the Boom is only to maintain the onboard RTC and will not function in
 any way (including alarms) if the Boom has no power.

You are right, just tested with the boom and no alarm, when having no
power.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-09 Thread davenva

Good discussion.

My post intent was pretty simple - Wake me up at the time that I set
the alarm to.  Don't let a power failure, server failure, network
failure, server setting, or anything else let me oversleep  be late for
work...

What I observed was my alarm being set to 5:00 AM and going off at 6:00
AM. Sure had me fooled.  The clock said 5:00, the alarm said 5:00, yet
it didn't go off for another hour - when the time said 6:00 and the
alarm said 5:00!   There's something basically  wrong with that
situation

I've made my living in the computer business for a long time, which is
why I tried to state the problem as a user/customer, not an engineer.

If I were engineering this feature, I'd keep both the time and the
alarm setting local to the Squeezebox Radio (even though it's a computer
and not a wind up alarm clock, I bet it can do that!).  Extra credit if
the Squeezebox is smart enough to periodically synchronize its time with
a time server on the internet - a real time server, not the squeezebox
server on my ill-maintained spare PC.  Having the alarm time reside on
the server is simply absurd.  I can't see ever wanting to remotely
connect to a server to adjust the time on my alarm clock.  I usually
wake up rather near where I go to sleep, and that is where I set the
alarm time ;)

They forgot the cheap 9V battery alarm backup in the hardware.  Too
late to fix that.  I'll solve that with a cheap battery UPS that I can
share with my bedroom Tivo.

Despite my ranting on this alarm subject.  I asm impressed with the
Squeezebox radio.  It's a real breakthrough and game changer in radio. 
This is the beginning of the end for traditional over-the-air radio.  An
easy-to-use kitchen or bedside appliance.

I want a Squeezebox TV-box next!  Logitech, I hope you're working on
that.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-08 Thread davenva

I just purchased a Squeezebox Radio.  I find it amazing, with one
problem.

I m hoping to use it as my bedside alarm clock  Internet radio.

I just spent 2 hours to resolve a problem where my alarm would ring one
hour earlier than it was set for.  Thanks to this forum, I determined
that the PC where I has installed the Squeezebox server had the wrong
timezone.

My question is - Why does the alarm function require a server??!!  I
just want the alarm function to work like a $5 wind-up alarm clock -
ring when at the time the alarm is set for!  How hard is that?  

I'm worried about oversleeping due to a server problem or a network
problem. I'm not sure if I should be, but after the Timezone problem, I
am.

My old fashioned clock radio has an alarm that works, and a 9V battery
backup.  True - the radio sucks, but the alarm is damn reliable!

Am I missing something?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-08 Thread jmpage2

pfarrell;483300 Wrote: 
 jmpage2 wrote:
  davenva;483250 Wrote: 
  I'm worried about oversleeping due to a server problem or a network
  problem. I'm not sure if I should be, but after the Timezone
 problem, I
  am.
 
  I think you're being a bit too critical here.  Basically the
 Squeezebox
  is a computer.  It gets its time from either the server or the
 internet
  via NTP.
  
  For you to get the functionality you request would require the
 ability
  to manually set the clock on the device (like your $5 alarm clock)
 and
 
 I'm just guessing, but isn't it easier than this? Davenva probably
 needs
 the battery pack from the accessories kit to keep the clocks running no
 matter what. But with that, unless the server gets its time completely
 fubar, isn't the clock in the Radio local? driven from the operating
 system within the Radio itself?
 
 Sure, the radio needs a server or internet connection to get to a
 proper
 NTP server, but how much drift are you gonna get in a day? Maybe a few
 seconds, but nothing to worry about.
 
 While it is true that PC clocks leave a lot to be desired for accuracy,
 and the Radio not a PC but it sure is an embedded computer with an
 operating system. Its got to have the brains and power to do this as
 long as it has power.
 
 Or am I all wet here?
 
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I think you could be a bit damp Pat, but probably not wet.  The Radio
alarm is proven to WORK even if there is no internet or server
connectivity.  There is even a local alarm sound that will function if
the selected playback media is unavailable.

It sounds like the person I was responding to was alarmed that having
incorrect timezone settings on the PC he was running the server software
on caused his alarm to mis-fire.  

Yes, there is a local clock and it would appear that this individual
wants the local clock to run with no outside interference.  To do this
you would have to sever clocking functions between  the radio and the SB
server, or at a minimum you would need some kind of radio pref that lets
you give the local clock on the client device a higher priority for the
alarm.  You would also need the means to locally program the clock so it
can ignore the network time that is on the server or the internet NTP
that it would normally use to adjust its time.

Personally I have never had an issue with the alarms and I've been
using them now for over a week.  I have never had a mis-fire, etc.  The
time on the Radio is always perfect.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-11-08 Thread Pat Farrell
jmpage2 wrote:
 It sounds like the person I was responding to was alarmed that having
 incorrect timezone settings on the PC he was running the server software
 on caused his alarm to mis-fire.  

Well, if your server's time is bonkers, that's a feature, not a bug.


 this individual
 wants the local clock to run with no outside interference.  To do this
 you would have to sever clocking functions between  the radio and the SB
 server...

Well, we'll need the OP to clarify what he wants. But its possible that
he just wants to have the Radio periodically check its time setting. I
think it already does that.


 You would also need the means to locally program the clock so it
 can ignore the network time that is on the server or the internet NTP
 that it would normally use to adjust its time.

Not sure I follow you here. All you need is a UI enhancement to let the
user specify a NTP server, such as pool.ntp.org, and that would cause
the radio to ignore time on mysqueezebox.com or your local SqueezeBoxServer.

I'm not sure I see the benefit, but other than the UI design issue,
technically it doesn't smell like its that hard.

Damply yours,
Pat


p.s. I run a member server of the pool.ntp.org, and my computers are
always right, within a few thousandths of a second. I've got permission
from the primary clocks to update mine, so its a very good secondary
source. As are others in the pool. On any recent Windows, all you need
to do is execute:
net time /setsntp:pool.ntp.org

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-10-29 Thread aobr31569

Having checked my server, the timezone was set to UTC-6 for some reason,
have now set to GMT and its all working, thanks. 

I simply assumed the timezone on the device would overide whatever the
server was saying, so didnt bother to check that. Since changing it my
radio and duet now show the same time, where as before they were
different by 8 minutes, which was rather strange.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-10-29 Thread bluegaspode

You can watch/vote this bug report

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14888

I think its rather annoying as well :(


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[SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-10-28 Thread aobr31569

I've just bought the squeezebox radio, and have been trying to set an
alarm. If the player is connected to my local squeezebox server, then
the alarm doesnt work. If connecting to mysqueezebox it works fine. Is
this intentional? If so thats ridiculous.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm only works when connected to mysqueezebox?

2009-10-28 Thread bluegaspode

I have a working alarm every morning while beeing connected to local
server.
Worked a bit rough with 7.4.0 and very stable with 7.4.1.

Do you have the right timezone on your server ?
That was my problem once - the alarm was off by an hour, because the
local server had the right time, but wrong timezone.
Radio showed the correct timezone, so this wasn't easy to find out.


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