[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[PATRICK MOORE]

Wonderful looking bag, and probably much less expensive than the Nigel I
recently bought; I'd be jealous except that the Nigel is a better size for
my gofast than the Acorn looks to be.

You spoke about the leather. Is the canvas as good as the Nigels'?

And wonderful polish job on those cranks!

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.netwrote:


 I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on Dec.
 1st and it arrived about two weeks later.  This is a fantastic bag!
 It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
 love) and is constructed with excellent materials.  Absolutely
 flawless.  All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
 time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
 already softening just fine; they only darkened a little.  I posted
 pix to the Flickr pool at

 http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.
 


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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[Jay Sinn]

Toe jams for the shorties might be remedied by
turning Monkeys into Gazelles
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9623...@n04/1334068153/

On Dec 20, 4:02 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Congrats on 1500. I often am reluctant to ride when I'm tired or busy,
 thinking that if I can't ride hard for at least 20 miles (road) or 15 miles
 (dirt roads) it doesn't count -- a strange fixation since I've never raced
 and most of my riding has always been errand riding and commuting. But I've
 been trying, as I age, to ease off and ride for the sake of riding, not for
 some nebulous inner time trial goal.

 I find that off road riding -- which for me is dirt road riding -- is more
 relaxing, since I don't have, quasi programmed into me after so many years,
 the need to cover so much distance in so much time; the conditions on dirt
 are simply different enough that the mindset gets shut off. In short, I tend
 to ride in a more relaxed way on dirt. Fortunately, I have access to miles
 of nice doubletrack and acequia (old irrigation ditch) roads literally a
 stone's throw from my front door, and they actually serve to get me to
 places -- church, store, Mom -- so that they are becoming a relaxing
 alternative to heartrate hell road riding. Now if only I could get a
 Rivendell ss/fixed 29er that will take true 60s and fenders ...

 Patrick not gonna look at my odometers until after Jan 1 Moore

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote:

  My riding partner and I were doing a new loop in San Diego today and
  while we were waiting for the ferry to Coronado, up rolled a beautiful
  Red/Creme Saluki. Jim and I talked Rivendell for a while... It was
  nice to see the Suluki next to my Bleriot, I couldn't tell much
  difference. The Saluki did have more ornate lugs. Anyway, I pointed
  Jim to this group, hope he finds it.
  Chris
  BTW- I reached my yearly goal of 1500 miles today! :) I realize 1500
  isn't much, but this was my first serious year of riding... I'm
  shooting for 3000 in 2009!
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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[dpco]

dave, could you send me the website for acorn bags?
sincerely, don compton

On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.net wrote:
 I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on Dec.
 1st and it arrived about two weeks later.  This is a fantastic bag!
 It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
 love) and is constructed with excellent materials.  Absolutely
 flawless.  All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
 time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
 already softening just fine; they only darkened a little.  I posted
 pix to the Flickr pool at

 http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.
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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[z-man]

Aren't these bags made in China?  Maybe I'm wrong on that one.  If
not, isn't there a domestic source for this type of bag?  You know,
spend your dollars at home and such?  Not trying to pee on anyone's
good time, but it's kind of relevant, no?

On Dec 21, 11:56 am, dpco dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 dave, could you send me the website for acorn bags?
 sincerely, don compton

 On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.net wrote:

  I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on Dec.
  1st and it arrived about two weeks later.  This is a fantastic bag!
  It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
  love) and is constructed with excellent materials.  Absolutely
  flawless.  All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
  time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
  already softening just fine; they only darkened a little.  I posted
  pix to the Flickr pool at

 http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.
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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[David Faller]

www.acornbags.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: dpco 
  To: RBW Owners Bunch 
  Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:56 AM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags



  dave, could you send me the website for acorn bags?
  sincerely, don compton

  On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.net wrote:
   I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on Dec.
   1st and it arrived about two weeks later. This is a fantastic bag!
   It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
   love) and is constructed with excellent materials. Absolutely
   flawless. All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
   time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
   already softening just fine; they only darkened a little. I posted
   pix to the Flickr pool at
  
   http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.
  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Banana Bag, Wald rear folding baskets-SOLD

[Greg O'Brien]

All items are sold. Happy Holidays!Greg-Original Message-
From: Greg O'Brien 
Sent: Dec 20, 2008 2:51 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] FS: Baggins Banana Bag, Wald rear folding baskets


Qty 1: "Baggins Bags" Banana Bag. It's a few years old (from the Duluth days I believe), but rarely used and in great shape. $50 OBO.Qty 2: Wald model 582 rear folding baskets. Like this: http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/wald582rearfoldingbasket.htmlOne plated steel, one black. Both used but in good shape. $10 each or both for $15.Shipping not included, I'm in Portland OR.Please reply off list. Thanks,Greg



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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[z-man]

You put it very nicely and accurately, and I, for one, have no
complaint with anything you said.  I'm always aware of the paradox of
frugality is all.  It's a complicated issue, for sure. I love what
Grant is doing and Chris at V.O., but am always hopeful something can
be sourced here, although I also know that may be not be always
possible.  Have a Merry Christmas.

On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:
 I know you were just nudging the buy local thing, but this subject comes up 
 just often enough to spark my reply...

 My entire bike was made outside the U.S.  Clearly, any of us Rivendellers who 
 decide that it's now time to promote buy USA need to first consider where 
 the thousands of dollars we have already spent on our bikes and accessories 
 went.  My purchasing decisions are prioritized by Design, Quality, Origin, 
 then Price.  If the happy coincidence that something I really like is made in 
 the U.S., then great; if not, well then the U.S. maker didn't meet my needs.  
 The Acorn Bags products fit my purchasing priorities perfectly.

 I was indirectly scolded earlier this year for my choice of bottle cages 
 because they were not made in USA, and that similar cages were made in USA 
 and priced nearly identically.  The fact was, however, that the design 
 differences were significant to me and I preferred the non-USA design.  I at 
 least bought them from Velo Orange and not some clearance giant like Nashbar 
 or Performance; I might have even paid a little more to buy the same product 
 from RBW if it was something they carried.  I don't think any of this makes 
 me a traitor; it just means that I chose what I wanted and bought it from who 
 carried it.  Of course I want the small USA makers to flourish, but if what 
 they make is not what I'm looking for, then sorry, no sale.  One can always 
 buy a cheaper (or more expensive) version of something, but it a hobby like 
 ours, we tend to buy exactly what we want, even if the details are tiny.

 My soapbox is groaning under the pressure, so I'll step off.

 Dave

   - Original Message -
   From: z-man
   To: RBW Owners Bunch
   Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:12 AM
   Subject: [RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

   I was confusing Acorn w/ Minnehaha.  My bad!!

   On Dec 21, 12:08 pm, z-man zeid...@optonline.com wrote:
    My apologies to all! After a cup of coffee or two and a clear head I
    checked their website. Made in the U.S.A. It's so rare you see
    that these days, it's kind of refreshing. Not flag waving here, just
    want to keep folks working, and keep profit on this side of the pond
    as much as possible. Again, my apologies

    On Dec 21, 11:56 am, dpco dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

     dave, could you send me the website for acorn bags?
     sincerely, don compton

     On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.net wrote:

  I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on Dec.
  1st and it arrived about two weeks later. This is a fantastic bag!
  It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
  love) and is constructed with excellent materials. Absolutely
  flawless. All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
  time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
  already softening just fine; they only darkened a little. I posted
  pix to the Flickr pool at

     http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.
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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[rcnute]

Is Taiwan the new Japan?  I'm genuinely curious.

On Dec 21, 1:14 pm, z-man zeid...@optonline.com wrote:
 You put it very nicely and accurately, and I, for one, have no
 complaint with anything you said.  I'm always aware of the paradox of
 frugality is all.  It's a complicated issue, for sure. I love what
 Grant is doing and Chris at V.O., but am always hopeful something can
 be sourced here, although I also know that may be not be always
 possible.  Have a Merry Christmas.

 On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:



  I know you were just nudging the buy local thing, but this subject comes 
  up just often enough to spark my reply...

  My entire bike was made outside the U.S.  Clearly, any of us Rivendellers 
  who decide that it's now time to promote buy USA need to first consider 
  where the thousands of dollars we have already spent on our bikes and 
  accessories went.  My purchasing decisions are prioritized by Design, 
  Quality, Origin, then Price.  If the happy coincidence that something I 
  really like is made in the U.S., then great; if not, well then the U.S. 
  maker didn't meet my needs.  The Acorn Bags products fit my purchasing 
  priorities perfectly.

  I was indirectly scolded earlier this year for my choice of bottle cages 
  because they were not made in USA, and that similar cages were made in USA 
  and priced nearly identically.  The fact was, however, that the design 
  differences were significant to me and I preferred the non-USA design.  I 
  at least bought them from Velo Orange and not some clearance giant like 
  Nashbar or Performance; I might have even paid a little more to buy the 
  same product from RBW if it was something they carried.  I don't think any 
  of this makes me a traitor; it just means that I chose what I wanted and 
  bought it from who carried it.  Of course I want the small USA makers to 
  flourish, but if what they make is not what I'm looking for, then sorry, no 
  sale.  One can always buy a cheaper (or more expensive) version of 
  something, but it a hobby like ours, we tend to buy exactly what we want, 
  even if the details are tiny.

  My soapbox is groaning under the pressure, so I'll step off.

  Dave

    - Original Message -
    From: z-man
    To: RBW Owners Bunch
    Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:12 AM
    Subject: [RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

    I was confusing Acorn w/ Minnehaha.  My bad!!

    On Dec 21, 12:08 pm, z-man zeid...@optonline.com wrote:
     My apologies to all! After a cup of coffee or two and a clear head I
     checked their website. Made in the U.S.A. It's so rare you see
     that these days, it's kind of refreshing. Not flag waving here, just
     want to keep folks working, and keep profit on this side of the pond
     as much as possible. Again, my apologies

     On Dec 21, 11:56 am, dpco dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

      dave, could you send me the website for acorn bags?
      sincerely, don compton

      On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Dave in Redding dfal...@charter.net wrote:

   I ordered the new medium/large saddlebag from Acorn Bags early on 
  Dec.
   1st and it arrived about two weeks later. This is a fantastic bag!
   It holds about 50% more than a Kevin's Bag (which I already own and
   love) and is constructed with excellent materials. Absolutely
   flawless. All the leather bits are beastly thick and will take some
   time to become pliable, but I slathered on the Proofhide and they're
   already softening just fine; they only darkened a little. I posted
   pix to the Flickr pool at

      http://tinyurl.com/8nlaek.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[Doug Peterson]

David:

 

Were you the guy who was looking for a route from Santa Monica to LA Union
Station a few months ago?  I recall someone in LA having what sounded a good
route.  If you have that, could you forward it?  I'm mulling over a route 
skipping LA is tempting, especially using a proven route from PCH to Union
Station.

 

Looks like we've got to get a ride together with the guys in San Diego.
Starting a kitchen re-model in January but once that's done, it's touring
season.

 

Doug Peterson

 

  _  

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Estes
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:21 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

 

Doug, great idea!   L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside,
S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up.  Everyone rolls south and then can
Metrolink home!  Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente
if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an
option...)


DE

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:


Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested.  So far, I've only run
into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis,  he
lives about 5 miles away.

One of the things my touring buds  I do is take Metrolink down to Oceanside
 either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the Sprinter
out to Escondido  ridden from there.  Downtown for an overnight or loops
back to Oceanside.  Basically north county for you guys.  Might be fun to
explore further south.  Keep me in the loop.

dougP


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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!


Esteban,
That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I
know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I
think...
Chris

On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Congrats on the mileage.  We need to get a little San Diego ride
 together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries.  I'm back in town
 from SF after the new year.  There's quite a few of us, I think.

 On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote:
   Thanks Patrick!

   BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is
   comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it was
   just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of
   what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv
   site.

  Actually, the similarities are intentional.  The Bleriot was intended to
  be a less expensive version of the Saluki.









-- 
Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA



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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[George Schick]

Yeah ... I was thinkin' the same thing; unless the idea is to pick a
size smaller than one would normally select, therefore getting the
shorter TT in the process.  I tried to make sense of both the geometry
charts plus Grant's narrative on the frame and it almost looks like
that's what he's suggesting.  Man, this sure looks like it would make
a nice all around frame.  I wish they would've had this one when I
bought the Rambouillet.  Now I'll have to face the desire to get
another.

On Dec 21, 7:38 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-700

 Is it just me thinking so, or do those look like some pretty long top
 tubes?  I guess with a 71.5 ST angle, I might be able to scoot the
 saddle forward a bit instead of having it all the way back and wishing
 for more SP offset.

 Bill
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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[Chris]

That sounds good to me!

On Dec 21, 5:20 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 David:

 Were you the guy who was looking for a route from Santa Monica to LA Union
 Station a few months ago?  I recall someone in LA having what sounded a good
 route.  If you have that, could you forward it?  I'm mulling over a route 
 skipping LA is tempting, especially using a proven route from PCH to Union
 Station.

 Looks like we've got to get a ride together with the guys in San Diego.
 Starting a kitchen re-model in January but once that's done, it's touring
 season.

 Doug Peterson

   _  

 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Estes
 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:21 AM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

 Doug, great idea!   L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside,
 S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up.  Everyone rolls south and then can
 Metrolink home!  Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente
 if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an
 option...)

 DE

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested.  So far, I've only run
 into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis,  he
 lives about 5 miles away.

 One of the things my touring buds  I do is take Metrolink down to Oceanside
  either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the Sprinter
 out to Escondido  ridden from there.  Downtown for an overnight or loops
 back to Oceanside.  Basically north county for you guys.  Might be fun to
 explore further south.  Keep me in the loop.

 dougP

 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

 Esteban,
 That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I
 know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I
 think...
 Chris

 On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Congrats on the mileage.  We need to get a little San Diego ride
  together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries.  I'm back in town
  from SF after the new year.  There's quite a few of us, I think.

  On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

   On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote:
Thanks Patrick!

BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is
comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it was
just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of
what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv
site.

   Actually, the similarities are intentional.  The Bleriot was intended to
   be a less expensive version of the Saluki.

 --
 Cheers,
 David
 Redlands, CA
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Gino Zahnd]

Grant and I both ride 58/9's, and on these slopers, like the Bombadil, we
both ride a 52. Here's what he wrote on the Bomba page:

48cm (for 650B wheels). For PBH of about 77 to 83cm; Saddle height 67 to
73.

52cm (for 650B wheels) For PBH of about 81 to 87cm; Saddle height 71 to 77.

56cm (for 650B wheels) For PBH of about 84 to 91cm; Saddle height 74 to 81.

60cm (for 700c wheels) For PBH of about 87 to 95cm; Saddle height 77 to 86..

64cm (for 700c wheels) For PBH of about 93 to 102cm; Saddle height 85 to 92.

I/Grant have a PBH of 85 and ride a 58 Saluki, a 59 A. Homer Hilsen, a 56
Atlantis with Albatross bars, and I'm getting a 52 Bombadil.

Cheers,
Gino




On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:10 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yeah ... I was thinkin' the same thing; unless the idea is to pick a
 size smaller than one would normally select, therefore getting the
 shorter TT in the process.  I tried to make sense of both the geometry
 charts plus Grant's narrative on the frame and it almost looks like
 that's what he's suggesting.  Man, this sure looks like it would make
 a nice all around frame.  I wish they would've had this one when I
 bought the Rambouillet.  Now I'll have to face the desire to get
 another.

 On Dec 21, 7:38 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
  http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-700
 
  Is it just me thinking so, or do those look like some pretty long top
  tubes?  I guess with a 71.5 ST angle, I might be able to scoot the
  saddle forward a bit instead of having it all the way back and wishing
  for more SP offset.
 
  Bill
 


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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[David Estes]

Yep, that was a plan... didn't quite come to fruition though... let me check
my archives and I'll forward it to ya'!

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

  David:



 Were you the guy who was looking for a route from Santa Monica to LA Union
 Station a few months ago?  I recall someone in LA having what sounded a good
 route.  If you have that, could you forward it?  I'm mulling over a route 
 skipping LA is tempting, especially using a proven route from PCH to Union
 Station.



 Looks like we've got to get a ride together with the guys in San Diego.
 Starting a kitchen re-model in January but once that's done, it's touring
 season.



 Doug Peterson


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 *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *David Estes
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:21 AM
 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!



 Doug, great idea!   L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside,
 S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up.  Everyone rolls south and then can
 Metrolink home!  Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente
 if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an
 option...)


 DE

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:


 Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested.  So far, I've only run
 into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis,  he
 lives about 5 miles away.

 One of the things my touring buds  I do is take Metrolink down to
 Oceanside
  either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the
 Sprinter
 out to Escondido  ridden from there.  Downtown for an overnight or loops
 back to Oceanside.  Basically north county for you guys.  Might be fun to
 explore further south.  Keep me in the loop.

 dougP


 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!


 Esteban,
 That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I
 know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I
 think...
 Chris

 On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Congrats on the mileage.  We need to get a little San Diego ride
  together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries.  I'm back in town
  from SF after the new year.  There's quite a few of us, I think.
 
  On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 
   On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote:
Thanks Patrick!
 
BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is
comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it
 was
just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of
what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv
site.
 
   Actually, the similarities are intentional.  The Bleriot was intended
 to
   be a less expensive version of the Saluki.







 --
 Cheers,
 David
 Redlands, CA


 



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Redlands, CA

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[RBW] Re: New Acorn Bags

[periwinklekog]

On Dec 21, 10:44 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:
 My entire bike was made outside the U.S.  Clearly, any of us Rivendellers 
 who decide that it's now time to promote buy USA need to first consider 
 where the thousands of dollars we have already spent on our bikes and 
 accessories went.  My purchasing decisions are prioritized by Design, 
 Quality, Origin, then Price.  If the happy coincidence that something I 
 really like is made in the U.S., then great; if not, well then the U.S. 
 maker didn't meet my needs.  The Acorn Bags products fit my purchasing 
 priorities perfectly.

For the last few years Price has had to be at the top of my list.
There are lots of great bikes and accessories out there that I can't
afford, even on my shop discount. One of the reasons I dig Acorn is
that, in large part because they're a husband-and-wife team who make
their own bags right there in California, they were quite willing to
work with me on repurposing some found canvas fabric into two of their
bags, and then deduct accordingly the costs of the fabric they didn't
have to supply:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/2469771582/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/2469505340/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/2469505348/

The result was a beautifully made pair of bike bags, created from
materials that were found sitting in a muddy puddle in my
neighborhood. (I let Ron at Acorn keep the leftover fabric for other
projects as part of the deal. I hope he's having fun with it.)

One of the nicest parts of working with a US-based company who makes
its own stuff is the directness of the communication between buyer and
seller/maker. I look forward to seeing more of these kinds of
interactions as we slowly figure out that localizing -- or at least
nationalizing -- parts of our economy is good for everyone.

Beth Hamon
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[gr...@rivbike.com]

The top tubes read long, but the length is sucked up by shallow seat
tube angles and high bars. In fact, they ride normal, maybe even on
the short side of normal.

Some things to think about:

• MOST riders shove the saddle all the way back on the rails. Half of
those wish they could shove it back more. The limiters are the seat
tube angle, the seat post's setback, and the saddle rails. It is rare
to see a saddle shoved all the way forward; common for the rider to
want it back more. Half a degree--seems like a good way to go. On my
own custom, it's 71-degrees. I'd do that for our non-customs if it
wouldn't raise eyebrows, but...well, here we are!

• One degree over 55cm equals one centimeter. So, for a 56cm frame, it
just gives you the possibility (doesn't force it) of an ant's whisker
more than 1cm rearward. The cost of this is that you can't move the
saddle as far forward, but as long you're not poking the saddle toward
the bars and wishing it would go more, the added cm in back is only a
benefit. Does that make sense? It doesn't force you back; it allows it
if you want it, with no drawback UNLESS you're a triathlete.

• I have some suspicions as to why shallower STAs are not more common.
One is that riders are accustomed to 72s, 73s, and 74s. Long live
diversity of opinion and all that, but I have to do my best on the
bikes I design for our customers, and I think it's great idea.
Minority opinion, whatever--I'm not saying I'm smarter or others are
dumber, just that it makes sense to me.

• Bikes with supershort chainstays won't go shallow, cause the wheel
will hit the seat tube. That's an argument against short chainstays,
not shallow seat tubes.

• Most commercially available bottom bracket shells won't easily
accommodate both a big drop and a shallow seat tube angle. The rear
angle of the chainstay and seat tube sockets is too steep for it. Our
shells are our design, and although they aren't freaky, they are
designed with shallowish seat tube angles in mind. (This may 'splain
why other lugged builders stick with steep, although it may be a
preference, too. They may believe the myth that short femurs should go
with steep seat tube angles. That is flat-earth, but it is still the
common belief, simply because  it's been repeated and printed so
often. In any case, tiggers can do anything they want, easily, and
they don't seem to take advantage...)

I am pretty sure RR41 will make things clear. Think of the Da Vinci
drawing of the naked guy with long curly hair extending his arms.
Think of how that applies to arm reach and bar height. It's key, key,
key...

Anyway, it's only half a degree--and probably should be a whole one.
All it does is expand your rearward options by removing a centimeter
of your forward options (less on a 48 or 52; a bit more on a 60). It's
not a bad deal.

Bill M. is entirely correctthe halfa degree just gives you that
much more real estate in the area you want it.

We have the 56 in now. By Jan 2 - 4 we'll have another 56, plus two
each of the 48s, 52s, and 60's. They're coming in painted colors that
won't be final, so we'll repaint some of them, and that'll take a
week--but by Jan 12 we should have all sizes available for testing--
and if any of you are local, I sure hope you come by and try them.

We'll set them up with average stems, normal bars, and you're free to
take them for an hour, and...it'll be fun!

Grant


On Dec 21, 5:38 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-700

 Is it just me thinking so, or do those look like some pretty long top
 tubes?  I guess with a 71.5 ST angle, I might be able to scoot the
 saddle forward a bit instead of having it all the way back and wishing
 for more SP offset.

 Bill
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