[RBW] Re: Silver shifter questions
on 4/5/09 7:11 AM, Mike at mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: My Rambouillet has DT Silver shifters and ghost shifts now and then. Is it frame flex or a just a slightly miss aligned shift? I don't know. It happens. I have cranked down on the d-rings. I have absolutely no problems with ghost shifts on my Hilsen which has BE Silver shifters. Still, I like friction shifting and I'm going to keep it that way. The whole ghost shifting issue is an interesting one to me, and probably a bit off the initial thread topic. I thought this topic cropped up before, but it may have been an iBob thread. There are a number of variables in the equation, to be sure: - Modern 8/9/etc casettes are designed to be easy to shift. The individual sprockets are designed to transfer the chain easily up and down under load. Simply put, they _like_ to shift. Like some of you, I learned to shift on 5 speed freewheels, which generally took learning the technique of easing up during the shift (sometimes stomping hard before shifting, so you could ease up on a climb for a revolution or two), and applying smooth pressure after the shift. - There is a load of info on early shifting systems in _The Dancing Chain_ by Frank Berto and on the web as well. A major component of this type of system is an upper pulley with lateral float. There has to be play in the system for it to work properly. I believe that every rear derailleur made recently has this. - Any rear sprocket set that has eight speeds or higher is spread pretty wide, if you look at it from the top down. That means that the chain must deflect more significantly with the higher gear systems. If the chainstay is shorter, the angle of deflection will be greater. - In order to shift, you must shorten or lengthen the cable. I'm not sure how the rider input could torque the bicycle frame in a manner which would cause this to happen. - Slightly loose hubs, cassettes, freehub (where it attaches to the hub), shifting of the wheel in the dropouts (such as the QR not fully engaged or slipping on thick paint), even loose cranks or bottom bracket would be more likely to cause movement of the sprockets, and could induce the chain to find the ramp. - A bent derailleur hanger is usually more of an issue with indexed systems, but it's worth looking at this. Occasionally, you will see one with a slight twist, which will cause some oddness and places where (combined with the floating pulley) the chain just doesn't want to stay put. - The loop at the rear derailleur is also a variable to watch. It's easy to not seat either end of the housing. Gunk tends to get into that section of cable pretty readily. It tends to be the part that restricts free cable movement, which can be an issue of non-shifting in indexed systems and imprecise shifting in friction. My Hilsen had a hiccup or two. I wasn't sure if it was user innaccuracy, so I've swapped pulleys on my rear derailleur so the fixed one is on the top, dropped a link set to run a slightly shorter chain. Hasn't done it since, even in pretty nasty conditions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/3285966758 I also think there's a vestigial technique from the freewheel days, which seems to help a bit. But, there definitely isn't much audible feedback from a non-trimmed shift. Some of that may be the rock and roll over the years, but the whole dang thing is quieter to the rider. Unlike the older freewheel systems where you had to overshift and trim, the current drivetrains like to be teased into gear. I find undershifting and smidge seems to work best. - Jim who rode his Quickbeam fixed Saturday and his MB singlespeed today, so really has no business talking about shifting systems until he stops doing house projects and gets his Hilsen rigged back up. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences
If you order from the UK the Nelson Longflap and the Camper Longflap can be had for 50 pounds. At current exchange rates thats $75. I looked into it further and delivery costs a whopping 30 pounds making the total is $112 once VAT is taken off. So the 50% saving doesn't hold up with delivery, but it's still a good buy and there's just something about the Sackvilles that turns me off, just a personal aesthetics thing. http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product-Carradice_of_Nelson-Carradice-Nelson-Longflap-Saddlebag--Black-with-White-Straps-632.htm On Apr 6, 12:52 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: First off great review thanks for sending that out Thomas. Second when I read the response saying Carrdice bags were half the price of the Riv bags my bargain seeking heart skipped a beat. I have heard nothing but good things about both bags so I decided to look it up. The Carradice Nelson Long flag holds about 18 Liters and is $139 at WallBike which compares to the Sackville SaddleSack Meduim also 18 L capacity which is available at Riv for $175. Now if I did my math correct, not always a sure thing, the Carradice is about a 20% discount off the price of the comparable Sackville. A nice savings but not quite 50%, regardless I am sure either would be a fine choice. On Apr 5, 6:10 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, I should point out, lest anyone rightly call shenanigans... I notice I said snap-on outer pockets... that's wrong, there's only one snap-on outer pocket. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences
I have a Carradice bag that is ok. The one thing that frustrates me about it is the crummy hardware they use. The strap buckles are made out of something akin to coffee can metal. My Riv bags don't have crummy hardware. -JimD On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:52 PM, RoadieRyan wrote: First off great review thanks for sending that out Thomas. Second when I read the response saying Carrdice bags were half the price of the Riv bags my bargain seeking heart skipped a beat. I have heard nothing but good things about both bags so I decided to look it up. The Carradice Nelson Long flag holds about 18 Liters and is $139 at WallBike which compares to the Sackville SaddleSack Meduim also 18 L capacity which is available at Riv for $175. Now if I did my math correct, not always a sure thing, the Carradice is about a 20% discount off the price of the comparable Sackville. A nice savings but not quite 50%, regardless I am sure either would be a fine choice. On Apr 5, 6:10 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, I should point out, lest anyone rightly call shenanigans... I notice I said snap-on outer pockets... that's wrong, there's only one snap-on outer pocket. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences
Thanks for the helpful review Thomas. I've been thinking about getting a Sackville Large for exactly the same purpose. It sounds great except for the difficult off-bike carrying (which I do a lot of, plus I'm probably half your size - 132lbs). Question for you: do you find that a lot of clearance between the saddle loops and the rack is required? I only have 9.5 of clearance, and some bags require more (the Riv site explicitly requires 10 for the NS Big Box bag, I think, and the Sackville Large is even larger). Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences
Yes, I've saved real money by purchasing from UK stores also. Specifically Wiggle, whose name I can't fathom. They do free shipping to the USA with orders of $150 ($, not £... I think it's roughly a £100 threshold). They carry some Brooks bags but not Carradice as far as I know. They do take Paypal. And their website will show you prices in $ with the VAT removed if you indicate that you're shopping for despatch to the USA. I knocked a good 30% off good US prices I found on a couple of things. Both times I ordered from them I got the stuff (with the free shipping) in a week and a half. Another low on the list con I should mention about the Sackvilles in general: they're black! I really like the tan or olive drab look. But I think there's a thing about wanting bike bags to have reflective stuff on them. And I don't think reflective stuff goes very well with whole neutral tan drab idea in daylight or, perhaps more significantly, in advertisements. And overall, in spite of the blackness, I do like the look of the Sackvilles. The leather color and the brass work very well to make the black look good. To my eye, anyway. And the SaddleSacks appeal to me in some way as they look a little like VW Beetles. Go figure. My parents had one when I was 5 or so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat
I strongly recommend little package caps out of portland, oregon. Caroline has made me two wonderful quality wool caps that I wear most every day on the bicycle for nearly a year now--I have a 64.5cm head circumference, so that gives you an idea of how badly I needed a custom (8+ cap size). She even rushed a cap for a tour I took last summer. http://little-package.com/ She'll ask for your circumference as well as the distance from the top of each ear over the top of the head. Great prices too! erik On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Harry hhu...@gmail.com wrote: I wear a 7 7/8 hat and contacted Walz. They made me a few customs for me and at a very reasonable price. They fit great and look good. Rainy Peak Cycles would be another shop to check out. Harry On Apr 5, 1:00 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: My problem is I have a big head (hey, watch it!). I wear a 7 5/8 hat size and every cycling cap I've tried is too small. Any suggestions short of knitting my own? Bill Louisville, Ky In a message dated 4/5/2009 11:54:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rasterd...@comcast.net writes: I got one of **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572833x1201387477/aol?red. .. %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat
erik jensen wrote: She'll ask for your circumference as well as the distance from the top of each ear over the top of the head. In case you're from France. Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat
Ha! Who ya callin a conehead? -Original Message- From: Lisa -S.H. harmo...@fairpoint.net Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:06:46 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat erik jensen wrote: She'll ask for your circumference as well as the distance from the top of each ear over the top of the head. In case you're from France. Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: 120mm Nitto Technomic Tall (225mm) 26.0 / 1
I just received my Nitto Noodle bars and Technomic stem on Saturday. Installed yesterday and went for a 50 mile ride. Everything was great, looks beautiful, but the stem is just too long. I think I need a 90, maybe even 80. So, I'd like to sell it for $40 (obo) shipped USPS to CONUS. Thanks, Curtis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday
Great ride, beautiful day, good company. Never been to a bike show before so it was a pretty amazing display. Found out you can have a carbon fiber saddle custom made to fit your very own butt. They make a mold of your butt print so they can make the saddle. My Brooks always take care of that naturally. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esteban Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:06 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday Doug, Dustin and I met in the morning and did a nice ride around San Diego Bay, up the Silver Strand, and across the harbor via the Coronado ferry. A handful of photos from the ride are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157616317292717/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] 56 Quickbeam $1,000
Frame/fork: 56 cm; orange. The paint is not perfect and was touched up by the prior owner in several spots; overall I'd say the paint is good. The right chainstay has marks underneath where I suspect a chain broke and scratched the paint. I touched it up with nail polish to protect it. There is a ding in the top bottle cage boss on the seat tube, apparently put there when the bike was shipped to me. I took it to Bill Davidson (Seattle builder) and he said while it couldn't be rolled out it was only cosmetic and not structural. For what it's worth the ding is hard to see when you put a bottle cage over it. The rest: Phil hubs (very nice), large flange, Mavic rims. The rear hub is not fixed/free, but for two freewheels. The freewheels are White Industries and 18/19, I believe. Jack Brown (blue version) tires. The crankset is 170mm; the stock Sugino model with two chainrings and a bash guard. No pedals. Headset is a plain Tange. I have a 100 Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem with 44 mm Noodles (may have some other stem/bar combo depending on your needs). Dura-Ace levers. Plain but functional Shimano cantis with new Koolstop salmon pads. Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. No saddle unless you want an old cheapie. Oh, and Berthoud stainless fenders and rear Tubus rack (black). Let me know if you are interested in some or all (I can use the parts other than the frame/fork/headset/fenders). Shipping at cost. PayPal is fine if you split the fee with me. Email for photos or with questions. Thanks. Ryan rcn...@hotmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: Phil riv hub 32 hole velocity aerohead wheelset w/ IRD 7sp freewheel
Built this as a second go fast wheelset for my Hilsen, but ended up not seeing much use. Beautiful wheels hand built by our local wheel guru. About 500 miles on these. No skewers. 135 spacing, great for your Homer, Sam Hillborne or big boy Atlantis (sizes that take 700c). Total cost for wheels new, about $600 Phil riv front hub, 32H - $160 Phil riv rear hub 135 7sp, 32H - $180 Velocity Aerohead 700c rims (silver) - $50 x 2 = $100 IRD 7sp Freewheel 13x28 - $50 Spokes x 64 = $64 Built Cost = $30 x 2 = $60 They can go to a new home and make your Homer happy for $450 shipped in the continental 48. I'll toss in a set of VERY lightly used (less than 250 miles) Pasela folding tour guard 28mm tires for an additional $25. Bob H. Knoxville, TN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday
I went with my wife, my 1 year-old, and a longtime friend who lives in San Diego. It was the first bike show any of us ever attended, and it was fun. My daughter practiced walking among the different booths, so she had fun, too. I enjoyed the following booths: --Calfee - talking to Craig Calfee about the bamboo bikes was absorbing, and he's a nice guy to boot --Winter Cycles - nice styling, good touring/randonneur bikes, very friendly --Kish - builder in San Luis Obispo, I liked his rigid drop bar mountain bike --Sendero - fun guy, with a couple adventure bikes, one with Surly Endomorphs --can't remember his name, but an older builder in San Dimas. Didn't know any builders were there. --Nobliette/Rene Herse booth - neat sampling of equipment I was pleasantly surprised by the number of high-end mixtes there. I'm glad to see the different designs and to see the concept get the respect it deserves. Overall, I was more interested in (1) talking to the builders and designers and enjoying their enthusiasm, and (2) getting an injection of bike culture since I live in the Southern California San Gabriels/ Inland Empire, where I never feel part of a bike culture. It's relieving to be around so many cyclists. This is why I really need to go on one of the rides planned by David Estes. best, Dave Carroll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday
Doug - be careful. Those butt molds might be sent to the NSA. Dustin - at least a beard can be decided upon without the weight of permanence. Dave - see you on one of the So Cal Riv Friends rides soon! I think Southern California may have more riders than anywhere else in terms of numbers, but its spread out and dominated by racers. These kind of events help remind us that we're not alone! On Apr 6, 12:45 pm, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: I think the builder in San Dimas was Bill Ryder. Hadn't heard of him before, but I liked his integrated front racks. You should get on board for the April Riv Ride in Irvine: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1007...@n22/ Cheers, Dustin who enjoyed the show, but was feeling a little under tattooed, bearded, and pierced Sharp San Diego, CA From: Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday I went with my wife, my 1 year-old, and a longtime friend who lives in San Diego. It was the first bike show any of us ever attended, and it was fun. My daughter practiced walking among the different booths, so she had fun, too. I enjoyed the following booths: --Calfee - talking to Craig Calfee about the bamboo bikes was absorbing, and he's a nice guy to boot --Winter Cycles - nice styling, good touring/randonneur bikes, very friendly --Kish - builder in San Luis Obispo, I liked his rigid drop bar mountain bike --Sendero - fun guy, with a couple adventure bikes, one with Surly Endomorphs --can't remember his name, but an older builder in San Dimas. Didn't know any builders were there. --Nobliette/Rene Herse booth - neat sampling of equipment I was pleasantly surprised by the number of high-end mixtes there. I'm glad to see the different designs and to see the concept get the respect it deserves. Overall, I was more interested in (1) talking to the builders and designers and enjoying their enthusiasm, and (2) getting an injection of bike culture since I live in the Southern California San Gabriels/ Inland Empire, where I never feel part of a bike culture. It's relieving to be around so many cyclists. This is why I really need to go on one of the rides planned by David Estes. best, Dave Carroll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences
I just received a Carradice Super C saddlebag from SJS Cycles in England -- paid $113 total with shipping. I plan to use it for day/ light touring and commuting (sans laptop computer) with my AHH (I've got Arkels that I put on my All-Rounder). Agree about the appearance of the hardware compared to Baggins, Sackville, et al, but we'll see how it actually stands up. The Super C has four plastic D rings on the lid, which will be handy for a shoulder strap. After some use later this spring, I may post a review/impressions. I did think the price was right compared to some other options -- but I'm also not pretending that this bag is of the overall super quality of those offered by Rivendell. Had a Paladin once and sold it -- shouldn't have! -- Forrest (Iowa City) On Apr 6, 8:51 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, I've saved real money by purchasing from UK stores also. Specifically Wiggle, whose name I can't fathom. They do free shipping to the USA with orders of $150 ($, not £... I think it's roughly a £100 threshold). They carry some Brooks bags but not Carradice as far as I know. They do take Paypal. And their website will show you prices in $ with the VAT removed if you indicate that you're shopping for despatch to the USA. I knocked a good 30% off good US prices I found on a couple of things. Both times I ordered from them I got the stuff (with the free shipping) in a week and a half. Another low on the list con I should mention about the Sackvilles in general: they're black! I really like the tan or olive drab look. But I think there's a thing about wanting bike bags to have reflective stuff on them. And I don't think reflective stuff goes very well with whole neutral tan drab idea in daylight or, perhaps more significantly, in advertisements. And overall, in spite of the blackness, I do like the look of the Sackvilles. The leather color and the brass work very well to make the black look good. To my eye, anyway. And the SaddleSacks appeal to me in some way as they look a little like VW Beetles. Go figure. My parents had one when I was 5 or so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday
Dave: That guy from San Dimas is Bill Ryder and was really helpful. He had frames with integrated racks, painted to match. Very clean, no eyelets or fasteners cluttering things up and the matching paint really makes the racks look like they belong on the bike. He showed us how he'd worked out the wiring thru the tubing for the lights. Very thoughtful designs. Our next adventure is April 19 in Orange County. Meet at the Irvine train station, ride the Santiago Canyon loop, jog over to Mission Viejo for a pilgrimage to the start/finish line of the '84 Olympic road course, and back to Irvine. 40 rolly miles. This part of Southern California is as green as it gets right now. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave C Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:36 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday I went with my wife, my 1 year-old, and a longtime friend who lives in San Diego. It was the first bike show any of us ever attended, and it was fun. My daughter practiced walking among the different booths, so she had fun, too. I enjoyed the following booths: --Calfee - talking to Craig Calfee about the bamboo bikes was absorbing, and he's a nice guy to boot --Winter Cycles - nice styling, good touring/randonneur bikes, very friendly --Kish - builder in San Luis Obispo, I liked his rigid drop bar mountain bike --Sendero - fun guy, with a couple adventure bikes, one with Surly Endomorphs --can't remember his name, but an older builder in San Dimas. Didn't know any builders were there. --Nobliette/Rene Herse booth - neat sampling of equipment I was pleasantly surprised by the number of high-end mixtes there. I'm glad to see the different designs and to see the concept get the respect it deserves. Overall, I was more interested in (1) talking to the builders and designers and enjoying their enthusiasm, and (2) getting an injection of bike culture since I live in the Southern California San Gabriels/ Inland Empire, where I never feel part of a bike culture. It's relieving to be around so many cyclists. This is why I really need to go on one of the rides planned by David Estes. best, Dave Carroll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
