[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood on eBay
on 4/17/09 7:24 PM, yagen...@gmail.com at yagen...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows anything about this model: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=380118319293 The auction links to some scans of a Riv brochure that claims this model was made just for tall people. That's me! - a PBH of 94 looks to be right on the edge of the 65cm for sale. Any thoughts / opinions / warnings Comes up as invalid/removed for me. Similar to a Romulus. There's a scan from the not published Redwood flyer here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus Bill C's Redwood here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc038-billconnell1005.html -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Get your photos posted: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood on eBay
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 02:24 +, yagen...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows anything about this model: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380118319293 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/romulus/ http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html It was a tall person's version of the Romulus, which was an eco-version of the Rambouillet. The auction links to some scans of a Riv brochure that claims this model was made just for tall people. That's me! - a PBH of 94 looks to be right on the edge of the 65cm for sale. Any thoughts / opinions / warnings If it fits you and you want a versatile road bike made for 28mm tires, assuming the condition is OK I'd say go for it. Those tall bikes don't grow on trees. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? The Rambouillet is not fast? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
How do you define speed? A lighter frame frame does not necessarily equal speed. Lighter wheels do not necessarily equal speed. Lighter tires do not necessarily equal speed. A lighter, stronger rider does not necessarily equal speed either. Unless you're competing .. speed is a relative term to the individual. You're essentially racing against your mind, for which fast is never fast enough. However, this is up to each of us to find that out, so advice usually seems rather cheap. I'm not saying don't get another frame, I am saying the speed difference is negligible. Put Jens Voight on your Ram or Atlantis and he'll leave you in the dust every time no matter what you ride. There's a reality check that isn't pretty. LOL! There's lots of good frame builders, and you don't need to spend a ton. There's many builders under the radar without the big fancy names. I'll give a plug to a builder here in Ohio name Jack Franklin of Franklin Frames. http://home.windstream.net/franklinframe/frame.html He'll build you whatever you want, lugged, brazed or tig. What I like about him is besides knowing frameshow to make them and repair them he's very generous in sharing his knowledge to help the rider out.. He's been doing it for 30+ years and is very reasonable in his pricing. I think his best lugged frame is around $1300, but his price list is more in his head than what is listed on his web site. Just ask. He's built a road frame for me and is doing some repair and repainting of a Bombadil for me. I'm very pleased with the work he's done. He's just one example of many who the public at large never hears about because they don't advertise. I wish you the best whatever you choose. Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: (e-list) Local makes good
Good for Jim. I had forgotten about that photo. There are almost certainly at least a couple of Rivendell bikes in there. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 17, 10:31�pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: The pinhole camera photo of the bike shop is especially intriguing. �Gives the shop a timeless feel, could have been a really old photo or recent. Interesting, someone mentioned pinhole photography on a ride a few weeks back. �A new old art form? � dougP � _ � From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] (e-list) Local makes good Don't recall this on our list, but scan the pictures on the link for winners and see if #8 rings any bells. http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/04/05/ecovelo-photo-contest-results/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
e-bay! if you are on a budget, adventurous and want a cool ride Look for a mid 70's or earlier racing bike or frame, In the the late 70's and early '80's criterium geometry dominated the racing market. I other words look carefully, you probably want stage race geometry, that is a nice combination of comfort and speed. You can join the list serve on classic bikes at http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous Just ask for help there on what you are looking for and you will get plenty of advice. I own 2 such bikes a '72 Paramount P13 (racing frame), (I am the original owner) and a '70 Pogliaghi. their are both fast and comfortable. My stable also includes a Rivendell long low (similar geometry to the Ram) and an Atlantis. I think it offers a perfect range of choices for any type of riding. Good Luck Tom Dusky Huntington Woods MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
e-bay! if you are on a budget, adventurous and want a cool ride Look for a mid 70's or earlier racing bike or frame, In the the late 70's and early '80's criterium geometry dominated the racing market. In other words look carefully, you probably want stage race geometry, that is a nice combination of comfort and speed. You can join the list serve on classic bikes at http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous Just ask for help there on what you are looking for and you will get plenty of advice. I own 2 such bikes a '72 Paramount P13 (racing frame), (I am the original owner) and a '70 Pogliaghi. their are both fast and comfortable. My stable also includes a Rivendell long low (similar geometry to the Ram) and an Atlantis. I think it offers a perfect range of choices for any type of riding. Good Luck Tom Dusky Huntington Woods MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
e-bay! if you are on a budget, adventurous and want a cool ride Look for a mid 70's or earlier racing bike or frame, In the the late 70's and early '80's criterium geometry dominated the racing market. In other words look carefully, you probably want stage race geometry, that is a nice combination of comfort and speed. You can join the list serve on classic bikes at http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous Just ask for help there on what you are looking for and you will get plenty of advice. I own 2 such bikes a '72 Paramount P13 (racing frame), (I am the original owner) and a '70 Pogliaghi. their are both fast and comfortable. My stable also includes a Rivendell long low (similar geometry to the Ram) and an Atlantis. I think it offers a perfect range of choices for any type of riding. Good Luck Tom Dusky Huntington Woods MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
Mercian. Their Audux frame. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Calloo Callay! Fat rims!
Thanks, Kevin, I now remember seeing these from an earlier post. The tire profile on the Snowcats is far different than the tall, rounded profile on the Alex 24 1/2 mm rims I now have, and I anticipate a slightly shorter, slightly wider tire (both increases on the order of 5-10 mm). So the slightly wider profile will help, but I expect that the principal benefit will be from less sidewall flex, which will translate into better directional stability, on pavement (since my rides tend to be at least 1/4 pavement) but also on softer surfaces. Am eager to test my hypothesis. I already run the tires (700cX60 Big Apples, and ditto Exiwolfs) at ~20 front, 25-30 rear, but at the expense of some front end washout on firmer surfaces. However, the 622 wheels definitely do ride smoother over small bumps and definitely float better over sand, than the similar 559 Big Apples I had on an earlier off road bike. After installing the Snowcats, my next dilemma will be, whether to swap out the rear disc for a bolt on fixed cog ... On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: The SnowCats really, really flatten out the profile of the tire. You're going to love them! Granted, they won't magically transform your Riv into a Pugsley, but nonetheless, it'll be a breathtaking experience for you! Here are some shots of my Atlantis w/ SnowCats on. http://www.flickr.com/photos/28720...@n02/ Kevin It's Finally Melting Up Here Turinsky Anchor-town, Alaska On Apr 17, 6:46 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: No, they won't fit your Saluki. I tried the HS 315 650x54B, and it was a no-go on a Saluki. It would be even worse on wider rims, I think. On Apr 17, 12:51 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: OH? I wonder if the largest schwalbe 650b tires mounted on snowcats would fit the clearance width wise on my canti-saluki. On Apr 17, 10:12 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: (He chortled in his joy.) I just got a call from Simon at All Weather Sports dot com about the Snowcat SLs I wanted. He'll ship them today. Total including shipping about $200. 44 mm wide, 680 gr, they should be wonderful for reducing sidewall flex on a 60 mm tire, as well as giving the tire a wider footprint for sand. I'll report. He has 650Bs in stock now, too. 718-526-3775. Perhaps 44 mm 584 Snowcats would work on a Bombadil or Quickbeam? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. On Apr 18, 7:20 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? The Rambouillet is not fast? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
I have two custom Rivs that I have set up with light wheels and some lightish parts, and to judge by my speed readout they are definitely faster than my considerably heavvier 1973 Grand Record (Motobecane), even though the Motobecane has a lighter frameset. This is due largely, I think, to the wheels which, on the Rivs, are very light with very light, supple tires, but possibly also to the fit -- even though I have the Motobecane set up as closely to the Rivs as possible, the Rivs have a perfection of fit no other bike I've owned matches. Whether thegofast Riv -- no fenders or rack, at, probably, 20 lb with Country Bag, is faster than the otherwise pretty much identical commuter Riv, at, probably, 23 lb with fenders, rack and one light pannier -- is really faster is, let us say, undecided. But at least, the gofast has only one set of bottle braze-ons and no fender eyelets! I shall probably, one day, accept reality, and equip the gofast as a distance bike with, perhaps, a ACS hub, and leave the Commuter for my usual urban and suburban riding). On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
My advice, following up my earlier post, would be, to start with lighter wheels and good, supple, light tires, and to adjust your saddle and bar positions to a powerful, aero, but still comfortable ones. For me, that means a wy back saddle and lowish bars (2 below saddle). I think everything else, including frame and parts weight and even gearing, is secondary. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:03 AM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. On Apr 18, 7:20 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? The Rambouillet is not fast? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
When I got heavy into randonneuring I was using my Rambouillet for trainning and competing. By the end of a 7,000 mile year the bike was hurting. I decided to get another bike to take off some of the trainning preassure and to use with the local club rides. It wasn't that the Rambouillet was not fast enough but rather I saw too many stupid accidents and didn't want to risk the Rambouillet. I was doing this on the cheap and bought a tig welded Soma Smoothie ES. This is pretty close to the Rambouillet as it will take 28mm tires with fenders. I built it up into more of a club racer using STI shifters and assorted parts laying around my shop. It is basically a 105 level trainning bike although it does have a Tubus fly rack on it since I most of my trainning rides involve commuting to work. I am happy with the Soma Smoothie ES. They have a Smoothie but it is more of a racing geometry and won't take fenders. They also has a lugged veresion of the ES for about $300 more. All the frames you mentioned are nice if the budget allows. But for a very rideable steel frame at a good price I am happy with my Smootie ES. Larry Powers just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip - John Hiatt Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:03:46 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go. From: clive.stand...@umassmed.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. On Apr 18, 7:20 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? The Rambouillet is not fast? _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New York Times Fashion Pieces on Dutch Bicycles
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I bet that is a raleigh Sprite. Elena found a women's version in an arroyo here in NM and I spent innumerable hours trying to get the simplex plus stem shifter to actually shift. I finally threw the whole drivetrain and original wheels away and built up some 27 aluminum rims with a SA three speed hub. It behaves now. I think it was sad that it had a derailer, so it would never shift... The Sprite came in 3 and 5 speed SA versions and 10 speed derailer versions, often on the same model year. http://tsaleh.blogspot.com/2006/05/raleigh-sprite.html Elena's was a mid seventies derailer version and I think it shifted worse than the similarly derailered schwinns of the era. It is the largest mixte I have ever seen though, which works well for Elena... My first real 10 speed (I had earlier built a brakeless ss and a AW/Benelux rd hybrid 6 speed out of an old Varsity and various other monsters) was a half step Sprite that I bought from a friend circa 1972, age about 17. I didn't know how to shift half step and, anyway, honor made me keep it in the big ring, even up the hills (and my hands in the hooks, just like Eddy). That one had Delrin Simplex derailleurs, including the pushrod front, that never gave me trouble. Anyway, as to stem shifters, I much later (two years ago) had a nice drop frame Collegiate with a 5 speed stem shifted Alvit drivetrain that shifter very well; you had to overshift a bit, but the technique was easy and the heavy, steel stem shifters worked smoothly and flawlessly. Still, I reiterate, that a Collegiate made from aluminum with aluminum rims and parts would be much, much better. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
On Apr 18, 8:32 am, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: I am happy with the Soma Smoothie ES. They have a Smoothie but it is more of a racing geometry and won't take fenders. They also has a lugged veresion of the ES for about $300 more. The Soma Speedster Road Sport is built from good Tange Prestige tubing. It's also got a smallish diameter downtube. I'll bet it responds well. Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. The difference in touring weight wheels and all around lightly but smartly built wheels can make a difference in ride. Climbing, acceleration, all around responciveness is improved. I think this and good frame design, rather than minute speed-in-the-lab improvements per gram of weight, makes for what most of us look for in a better (faster?) ride. Losing a few pounds of our own body fat helps, too. Having said that, I've got one (out of 4) bikes that consistently shaves time off my usual routes. It's got Roly Polly rubber and a Brooks saddle but that just about ends the Riv influence other than possibly riding position and comfort. I don't even want to go there with this post - but, well, ...it's titanium. Sorry. I know that crosses the line for a lot of readers-of riv. But with the advent of carbon a lot of the racy set are abandoning their old metal bikes, and I couldn't resist. What I think though is the designer, Tom Kellog, could do a great job with any material. He just knows the ti, that's all. On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? I'd agree with others who mentioned the vintage stage race bikes. Those with 27 original design wheels would more than likely allow for larger tires given the use of long reach brakes. Good luck and have fun. I'm off for a ride on one of my 'slow' bikes. Phil B Sonoma County --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
If you want to ride a vintage steel bike get some tubular wheels and use Tufo tires and if you are light enough, find a light gauge frame. Really if you are in premium shape with low body fat that will do the most for your overall speed. You might want to look into a high tech performance based recumbent with a TI frame or one made of CF (gads!) perhaps a low racer in the low 20 pound range. Getting more aerodynamic will improve your cruising speeds over rolling terrain and some of the newer uber lightweight designs allow decent climbing capabilities. Other than that, there really isn't much gain between one bike and another in my opinion. I own everything from a 21 pound vintage race bike to a 30+ pound touring bike including a recumbent and I can say that the recumbent is hands down much faster over flat and rolling terrain but it lacks in climbing so its really a wash overall. The race bike I own is faster in a sprint and I can climb in a slightly higher gear than my other heavier bikes but really, my fat gut has more to do with performance than any bike design. I think when you get down to it the gains between similar bikes are very marginal and hard to pinpoint unless you are talking extremes and even then there isn't much of a difference. On Apr 17, 10:19 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
on 4/18/09 9:49 AM, Phil B at phi...@sonic.net wrote: Having said that, I've got one (out of 4) bikes that consistently shaves time off my usual routes. It's got Roly Polly rubber and a Brooks saddle but that just about ends the Riv influence other than possibly riding position and comfort. I don't even want to go there with this post - but, well, ...it's titanium. Sorry. I know that crosses the line for a lot of readers-of riv. But with the advent of carbon a lot of the racy set are abandoning their old metal bikes, and I couldn't resist. What I think though is the designer, Tom Kellog, could do a great job with any material. He just knows the ti, that's all. Actually, in the spectrum of things, Ti probably makes more sense than carbon. It fails better, more visibly and allows a frame to be made with reasonably sized and shaped tubing. Light on the environment, it is not. (And I'm not saying that other mining/refining processes _are_). As we see in the Book of 1994, beginning on page 51, by Jennifer Ackermann: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/51.htm - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together.. -- Cyril, Breaking Away --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
on 4/18/09 7:03 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. Shorter chainstays typically do not lead to the long reach brakes you metioned in your first post. You could also build up a different wheelset. Chain swap if you need to (beauty of SRAM links) and Rams-yer-uncle, you're leading the pack at the Thursday night crit. But, if you've got racks, fenders and other long-ride bits to put on and pull off each time, that can be a minor pain. Of course, if you want to impress your friends, find an identical Ram, set it up racy-fast, and make sure you never show the two together. Everyone will think you are a rack/fender rigging/derigging master when you show up with the Ram-minimalist the day after you rode with the Ram-rando. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:18 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Of course, if you want to impress your friends, find an identical Ram, set it up racy-fast, and make sure you never show the two together. Everyone will think you are a rack/fender rigging/derigging master when you show up with the Ram-minimalist the day after you rode with the Ram-rando. +1 This is an evil idea and I personally adore it. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
How 'bout a Look 566http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2009/04/bsnyc-product-review-look-566-road.html ? On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 4/18/09 7:03 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. Shorter chainstays typically do not lead to the long reach brakes you metioned in your first post. You could also build up a different wheelset. Chain swap if you need to (beauty of SRAM links) and Rams-yer-uncle, you're leading the pack at the Thursday night crit. But, if you've got racks, fenders and other long-ride bits to put on and pull off each time, that can be a minor pain. Of course, if you want to impress your friends, find an identical Ram, set it up racy-fast, and make sure you never show the two together. Everyone will think you are a rack/fender rigging/derigging master when you show up with the Ram-minimalist the day after you rode with the Ram-rando. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: Shimano 600 Arabesque crankset
Bought as part of a group from a fellow BOB. Just don't have a home for this beautiful crankset. Seller had cleaned polished everything up to like new finish. This is the 600 group that was used on mid-range UJBs in the early 80s. Rings look new and no scratches on crank. Has seen very little use. 600 crank 170 arms, 130mm BCD, 52/39 rings one key release and 116mm Shimano one key release spindle Shimano BB cups ISO, with a set of new Grade 25 bearing balls $50 + shipping for the set Contact off list to dougpn...@cox.net dougP --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] My New-To-Me Atlantis
Thanks to Karl M for the link to an Atlantis for sale on Craigslist in Austin, TX... He posted the message and I didn't hesitate... I am the proud new owner! It arrived last week and I finished putting it together on Tuesday of this week. I rode it to work and back on Wednesday, Thursday, and a longer way out of the way ride to work and back on Friday. Quick photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/reflector.collector/Atlantis?feat=directlink#5326143315765235826 Details on the build can be found here: http://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-alive.html Glad to be part of the Atlantis-owners bunch. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Riv Redwood on eBay
Thanks for the info. It looks like a nice bike, but after I went and measured my PBH again, I think I need an even bigger bike. Anybody out there got the Rivendell Redwood in a 68cm size for sale? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 07:03 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. Only takes a minute to swap a wheel set. You'd need another wheel set for a second bike anyway. Why not start with that, see how it works? If it's not satisfactory, buy the frame and the rest of the parts, build up a second frame. Or is this a case of hopeless bike lust in search of rationalizations? I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. Will steeper angles and short chainstays actually make you faster, do you think? On Apr 18, 7:20 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? The Rambouillet is not fast? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: My New-To-Me Atlantis
jealousy On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Karl M for the link to an Atlantis for sale on Craigslist in Austin, TX... He posted the message and I didn't hesitate... I am the proud new owner! It arrived last week and I finished putting it together on Tuesday of this week. I rode it to work and back on Wednesday, Thursday, and a longer way out of the way ride to work and back on Friday. Quick photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/reflector.collector/Atlantis?feat=directlink#5326143315765235826 Details on the build can be found here: http://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-alive.html Glad to be part of the Atlantis-owners bunch. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Trade My 63 cm Canti-Rom for your 65 cm Redwood (or similar)?
Any interest out there? How about for a 66 cm Rambouillet? Longshot I know, James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: My New-To-Me Atlantis
Ouch. Stings. There were three of us shooting emails to the seller; whose last reply to me was something like OK, you want me to ship the case, too, right? Could not be happier for Ken. Good Karma. Cheers, Chris On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: jealousy On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Karl M for the link to an Atlantis for sale on Craigslist in Austin, TX... He posted the message and I didn't hesitate... I am the proud new owner! It arrived last week and I finished putting it together on Tuesday of this week. I rode it to work and back on Wednesday, Thursday, and a longer way out of the way ride to work and back on Friday. Quick photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/reflector.collector/Atlantis?feat=directlink#5326143315765235826 Details on the build can be found here: http://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-alive.html Glad to be part of the Atlantis-owners bunch. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood on eBay
What is the new PBH? Mine is 93 (iirc) and I ride the 65cm Redwood linked earlier. FWIW, on that bike, the bars are level with the saddle, and can't go much lower. Bill Connell On Saturday, April 18, 2009, yagen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info. It looks like a nice bike, but after I went and measured my PBH again, I think I need an even bigger bike. Anybody out there got the Rivendell Redwood in a 68cm size for sale -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
Here are a few to start with. Many custom builders would be happy to help you build your dream. Hampsten Cycles (steel) DeSalvo (steel, ti) Kent Eriksen Cycles (ti) Mark Nobilette On Apr 18, 1:19 am, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
I'd love to have a titanium Rivendell gofast bike! Tires, wheels, position, frame responsiveness, more or less in that order ... On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 4/18/09 9:49 AM, Phil B at phi...@sonic.net wrote: Having said that, I've got one (out of 4) bikes that consistently shaves time off my usual routes. It's got Roly Polly rubber and a Brooks saddle but that just about ends the Riv influence other than possibly riding position and comfort. I don't even want to go there with this post - but, well, ...it's titanium. Sorry. I know that crosses the line for a lot of readers-of riv. But with the advent of carbon a lot of the racy set are abandoning their old metal bikes, and I couldn't resist. What I think though is the designer, Tom Kellog, could do a great job with any material. He just knows the ti, that's all. Actually, in the spectrum of things, Ti probably makes more sense than carbon. It fails better, more visibly and allows a frame to be made with reasonably sized and shaped tubing. Light on the environment, it is not. (And I'm not saying that other mining/refining processes _are_). As we see in the Book of 1994, beginning on page 51, by Jennifer Ackermann: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/51.htm - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together.. -- Cyril, Breaking Away -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Riv Redwood on eBay
I thought that was your bike on that website! I was going to email you from your website when I saw that the listing was from somebody else, who bought the bike used. How did you like it? Why in the world would you sell it? I don't have a metric tape measure, so I calculate from inches and get a PBH of 97.8 cm, well out of the range for that bike. I own an old bike-boom era Fuji frame that measures 68cm, which I'm going to use to console myself, knowing that the Redwood is lost to me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
I didn't read through all the topics, but check out the following: Desalvo Cycles, Hampsten (Andy H.) Cycles, Gunnar/Waterford the list is endless for custom steel builders that can build you a 17 or 18 pound steel bike that will cruise. Chris On Apr 18, 5:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to have a titanium Rivendell gofast bike! Tires, wheels, position, frame responsiveness, more or less in that order ... On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 4/18/09 9:49 AM, Phil B at phi...@sonic.net wrote: Having said that, I've got one (out of 4) bikes that consistently shaves time off my usual routes. It's got Roly Polly rubber and a Brooks saddle but that just about ends the Riv influence other than possibly riding position and comfort. I don't even want to go there with this post - but, well, ...it's titanium. Sorry. I know that crosses the line for a lot of readers-of riv. But with the advent of carbon a lot of the racy set are abandoning their old metal bikes, and I couldn't resist. What I think though is the designer, Tom Kellog, could do a great job with any material. He just knows the ti, that's all. Actually, in the spectrum of things, Ti probably makes more sense than carbon. It fails better, more visibly and allows a frame to be made with reasonably sized and shaped tubing. Light on the environment, it is not. (And I'm not saying that other mining/refining processes _are_). As we see in the Book of 1994, beginning on page 51, by Jennifer Ackermann: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/51.htm - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together.. -- Cyril, Breaking Away -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
That's a nice riding bike, I test rode one here in San Diego... On Apr 18, 1:37 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a Look 566http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2009/04/bsnyc-product-review-look-566... ? On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 4/18/09 7:03 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in front of me. Shorter chainstays typically do not lead to the long reach brakes you metioned in your first post. You could also build up a different wheelset. Chain swap if you need to (beauty of SRAM links) and Rams-yer-uncle, you're leading the pack at the Thursday night crit. But, if you've got racks, fenders and other long-ride bits to put on and pull off each time, that can be a minor pain. Of course, if you want to impress your friends, find an identical Ram, set it up racy-fast, and make sure you never show the two together. Everyone will think you are a rack/fender rigging/derigging master when you show up with the Ram-minimalist the day after you rode with the Ram-rando. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood on eBay
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM, yagen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info. It looks like a nice bike, but after I went and measured my PBH again, I think I need an even bigger bike. Anybody out there got the Rivendell Redwood in a 68cm size for sale Call mountain sports ltd in bristol, va. I know they had a 67cm something in there back in january. It was either an old ram or an AHH. Still, that's in the right ballpark for you. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood on eBay
Get a big AHH! I'm probably in the minority on this list, but I think the AHH set up as road bike is indeed a Ram/Rom replacement. -Original Message- From: yagen...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Riv Redwood on eBay I thought that was your bike on that website! I was going to email you from your website when I saw that the listing was from somebody else, who bought the bike used. How did you like it? Why in the world would you sell it?I don't have a metric tape measure, so I calculate from inches and get a PBH of 97.8 cm, well out of the range for that bike. I own an old bike-boom era Fuji frame that measures 68cm, which I'm going to use to console myself, knowing that the Redwood is lost to me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: My New-To-Me Atlantis
Ken: Congrats on getting it together and especially on pulling the trigger so quickly. You got the deal of a lifetime. I have an Atlantis (stock color) and from time to time get the coupling urge (like when I'm packing for a trip). Last time I checked, couplers plus paint didn't get much change back from a $1,000 bill. Your front fender spacer looks really cool, nice work. Do know which 105 FD you have? Maybe a part number? I have one and can't get it low enough to work as well as I'd like with a 44T big ring. This is with a Sugino triple - 24/34/44. Black saddle? H... maybe bar tape to match the honey? Just a thought. If one of your other projects come thru and you need to sell this bike, don't bother listing anywhere, just contact me directly, don't mess around with the riff-raff on this site, CL, or, heaven forbid, flea-bay. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Yokanovich Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:37 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] My New-To-Me Atlantis Thanks to Karl M for the link to an Atlantis for sale on Craigslist in Austin, TX... He posted the message and I didn't hesitate... I am the proud new owner! It arrived last week and I finished putting it together on Tuesday of this week. I rode it to work and back on Wednesday, Thursday, and a longer way out of the way ride to work and back on Friday. Quick photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/reflector.collector/Atlantis?feat=directlink#532 6143315765235826 Details on the build can be found here: http://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-alive.html Glad to be part of the Atlantis-owners bunch. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: My New-To-Me Atlantis
As noted elsewhere, this is no ordinary Atlantis, it is a TransAtlantis. Tailwinds, and may we meet in the middle of nowhere and ride alongside awhile. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: She's a beaut On Apr 18, 7:39 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Ken: Congrats on getting it together and especially on pulling the trigger so quickly. You got the deal of a lifetime. I have an Atlantis (stock color) and from time to time get the coupling urge (like when I'm packing for a trip). Last time I checked, couplers plus paint didn't get much change back from a $1,000 bill. Your front fender spacer looks really cool, nice work. Do know which 105 FD you have? Maybe a part number? I have one and can't get it low enough to work as well as I'd like with a 44T big ring. This is with a Sugino triple - 24/34/44. Black saddle? H... maybe bar tape to match the honey? Just a thought. If one of your other projects come thru and you need to sell this bike, don't bother listing anywhere, just contact me directly, don't mess around with the riff-raff on this site, CL, or, heaven forbid, flea-bay. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Yokanovich Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:37 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] My New-To-Me Atlantis Thanks to Karl M for the link to an Atlantis for sale on Craigslist in Austin, TX... He posted the message and I didn't hesitate... I am the proud new owner! It arrived last week and I finished putting it together on Tuesday of this week. I rode it to work and back on Wednesday, Thursday, and a longer way out of the way ride to work and back on Friday. Quick photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/reflector.collector/Atlantis?feat=directl... 6143315765235826 Details on the build can be found here: http://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-alive.html Glad to be part of the Atlantis-owners bunch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: trekking bar question
I have used them on both my touring bike and on my commuting bike. They are head and shoulders above the traditional flat mountain bars. They worked great for me on long days in the saddle while touring and I have recommended them to many friends getting into touring as a great start to a mountain bike to touring bike conversion. Two friends who have been on an around the world tour have used them exclusively and love them. Also, they seem very popular in Europe. The shape is a little awkward and takes some adjusting to get it right. I felt like the bars dropped down where I wanted them to go up, and went up where I wanted them go down (I feel the same way about moustache bars too). To be honest, my biggest complaint is that I thought they were kinda ugly. In the end I replaced them with Nitto Dove bars, which offer almost all of the same hand positions, look better, bend in the right directions, and, for me, are much more comfortable..I would recomend the Dove bars over the trekking style bars, unless price is a concern. The Doves are $30ish and treking style bars can be had for $15 from Nashbar. I do have a set sitting around that you are more than welcome to-- I am in Tucson-- so if it is worth the postage to you to try them out, let me know. They have less than 50 miles on them. Cheers, cm On Apr 18, 9:51 am, Dave Minyard dave_minyar...@msn.com wrote: I was wondering if any one in this group has tried any of the trekking style bars that are available? I am most wondering about the adjustable ones like the Modolo Dumbos or ITM Selego? I understand that the Selegos are no longer available but thought maybe someone out there had tried them. Thanks, Dave Minyard Santa Maria, Ca. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
A while back I started thinking about a new go-fast for riding with the local club. The difference isn't so much weight, it's geometry. An upright position just doesn't work when you're trying to keep up in a fast paceline, and I find it hard to climb fast out of the saddle if the hoods are up high as they have been on my Riv Road Std. If speed is the goal, lower bars and a bit steeper seat angle to match are appropriate. Though a used Riv Road is a fine go-fast if you can find one your size! I like the Indy Fab Club Sport. IF still offers a steel fork as stock, not too common these days. The Club Sport takes long reach brakes and widish tires. IF makes the welded steel Hampstens, which are another nice choice. The Seven Axiom Steel also looks very nice. Never ridden one, but saw one up in Davis, very nice, clean, tight TIG welds, quite good looking in a modern non-lugged way. Crabon fork and short reach, but it's supposed to clear a 32 mm tire, which is quite unusual. Waterford built my Riv, builds some current AHH's, and can build pretty much anything you could want, lugged or welded. They have a Sport Touring series that uses long reach brakes. Then there are all of the local builders, no idea where you are or who's near you. I wound up finding a frame on Craigslist that's rather silly and very light and would be pretty out of place here. Only paid a third of what it would go for new. It fits me, the tubes are round, the angles sensible, and the bars not absurdly low (it was built with a 2 cm head tube extension), and it was made by a well known company here in Nor Cal. I expect to ride it for a couple of years and trade it off again without losing too much on it, learn something from owning it, and satisfy my curiosity. And I still have the Riv! Bill On Apr 17, 10:19 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian, Independant fabrications? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.
On Apr 18, 11:07 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/18/09 9:49 AM, Phil B at phi...@sonic.net wrote: Having said that, I've got one (out of 4) bikes that consistently shaves time off my usual routes. It's got Roly Polly rubber and a Brooks saddle but that just about ends the Riv influence other than possibly riding position and comfort. I don't even want to go there with this post - but, well, ...it's titanium. Sorry. I know that crosses the line for a lot of readers-of riv. But with the advent of carbon a lot of the racy set are abandoning their old metal bikes, and I couldn't resist. What I think though is the designer, Tom Kellog, could do a great job with any material. He just knows the ti, that's all. Actually, in the spectrum of things, Ti probably makes more sense than carbon. It fails better, more visibly and allows a frame to be made with reasonably sized and shaped tubing. If durability is an issue then yes, Ti is better than carbon. However, I've seen ti frames break, while my 12 year old Calfee, which I bought used, is still going strong. Light on the environment, it is not. (And I'm not saying that other mining/refining processes _are_). As we see in the Book of 1994, beginning on page 51, by Jennifer Ackermann: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/51.htm I don't know. On wreck.bike.tech, back in 1999, Gary Helfrich, one of the founders of Merlin and perhaps The Expert on titanium bicycle frames says this about the material: Titanium is a wide spread and abundant element. No one country has a hammerlock on reserves as the material is evenly spread around the globe. The vast bulk of titanium consumption everywhere, not just in the US, is titanium dioxide, which is a white pigment. The only reason that titanium is so expensive is that it takes large amounts of electrical energy to extract the metal from the ore. Titanium reduction requires several times the amount needed to produce aluminum. The cost of titanium is tied to the cost of energy, not the availability of the raw materials. Further, he also stated: As one of those responsible for the titanium rush, perhaps I can shed some light on where the titanium used in bikes comes from. Most of the titanium used in bikes comes from Australia. Yup, the deserts of western Australia are the source for most of the titanium ore used in the world today. Titanium ore is an abundant resource (titanium is the fifth most abundant metallic element on our planet), and white sand is the best place to find it. Most of this material never is never processed into metal. Over 90% is refined into titanium dioxide, a common white pigment used in paint. The most common destination for the sand used in making metallic titanium is China. The Chinese produce a very high quality titanium sponge that is used worldwide to produce primary mill products all over the world. The United States, France, Russia, and Ukraine all produce sponge as well. Most US producers of primary mill products use a significant amount of Chinese produced titanium sponge. In most cases, virgin material is mixed 1:4 with scrap material making titanium one of the most recycled metals. This is where the Russian or Ukraine material comes in. Most scrap from the former Soviet states is contaminated, and cannot be used to produce ingot for tube production. Material with high levels of chemical contamination can be used for low quality castings, and finds its' way into golf club head, valve bodies, etc. About the only titanium tube that you will find that contains significant amounts of Russian material is tube from Russia. There is not a great economic advantage in using poor quality scrap from Russia, when high grade domestic scrap is available in the United States. Litespeed uses material from Ancotech and Haynes International. The sponge used to produce the raw material for these tubes is from either China or Henderson (Nevada) depending on the price. Orement/Wah Chang or Timet produce 100% of all the starting billets used by the big three companies in the United States (Ancotech, Haynes International, and Sandvik Special Metals). Oremet (Albany Oregon) has broken and recycled an entire pressure hull from an Alpha attack sub. None of the material was used to produce ingot for tube production, but this may be a source for much of the Urban Mythology surrounding bikes made from radioactive Russian titanium. Most of the recovered material became golf driver heads. I agree with Jim that if you are looking for a used bicycle or frame, titanium is the bargain! I've seen Serotta Legends, Litespeed Vortex, Merlin Extralights and others including the newer Lemond ti frames sell for anywhere from $500-1000 for frameset (usually with a carbon fork and headset). A great deal. The problem titanium has is its trying to compete with carbon on weight and well, let's face it, if weight is the main/only factor
[RBW] Re: xo-1 - in box on ebay
You guys will never guess what I saw in the park today. Nah! Couldn't be! But you never see them new...and it's looks like a 52... Long story short I met the proud new owner of the XO-1 today and rest assured that it is being ridden as Grant intended. He hasn't changed a thing about it - original tires and tubes (still hold air), original white corky tape, and of course those classic bars. He is going to put a third chainring on, though =) Here's proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koshi/3453519772/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?
If the former, perhaps list your setup in 10 words or less. If the former, no explanation needed or wanted. Myself: lock up tight (pitlocks, old chain 'round the seat, ulock - two sometimes) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?
I meant no explanation if you have a second bike. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?
busy place...two good locks...different styles...locked smart On Apr 18, 10:31 pm, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: I meant no explanation if you have a second bike. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
