[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Clicking through, there are a couple other cool little articles there: http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-ride-rivendell-bombadil-19039 http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grant-petersen-rivendell-bicycle-works-11523 DE On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: ...or about the same amount of weight you'd lose by spitting five times and cutting off a mullet. hilarious. and here's to no design compromises to keep the peace. -Jay Denver, CO On Aug 27, 10:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary Boulanger http://tinyurl.com/roadeo-review01 -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] XS SaddleSack Special
I received the XS SaddleSack yesterday and just got around to opening the box now. Wow! It's great. I was bummed that I failed to order the orginial Keven's Bag and was reluctant to order the Nigel Symthe version. I'm glad I waited and very glad I went with this model. Although it's apparently lighter material it seems more than adequate. The color is great. I like the way this one closes as opposed to the zipper. I may have order a second one. It's that perfect! http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-345 --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark this is not an option either. Too bad, as I have a store of older race parts I would like to put on a frame with faster angles and lighter tubing but can nevertheless accommodate tires like the 35mm Schwalbe Kojak. So that means either my next custom build project or maybe I can convince Riv to sell me an unpainted frame and fork. On Aug 27, 11:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary Boulanger http://tinyurl.com/roadeo-review01 -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I hadn't noticed that it doesn't have DT shifter mounts. That's a bummer. I hope they change their mind about that. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Retouching a touch up
Hi all, I have an orange Rambouillet with a few nicks and scrapes. Some have been touched up with nail polish by the previous owner, and some are newer, showing the bare steel. I would like to redo the existing touch up spots, and touch up the new nicks. My concern is not so much aesthetic, but rust prevention. I found a good step by step on how to touch up bicycle paint on the Waterford site: http://waterfordbikes.com/now/home.php?newstype=touchuppaint And, some orange bike touch paint at Ben's Cycles: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=612_622products_id=1432zenid=64e6abcf408f244c9286c03b62a6e04b Here are my questions: 1. What do people normally use to touch up paint? I have seen many different examples online, but am curious what this group thinks. 2. If I use nail polish remover to remove the existing nail polish on my bike, do I need to worry about the nail polish remover coming into contact with the original finish? 3. A small bottle of Testors paint seems like a decent way to go, although color match may be a problem. If I use Testor's, I want enamel paint, right? I would rather not get into spraying, which eliminates the Competition Orange, I think. Any other wisdom is certainly welcome. Thanks, Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark this is not an option either. Too bad, as I have a store of older race parts I would like to put on a frame with faster angles and lighter tubing but can nevertheless accommodate tires like the 35mm Schwalbe Kojak. So that means either my next custom build project or maybe I can convince Riv to sell me an unpainted frame and fork. Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Seth Vidalskvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark this is not an option either. Too bad, as I have a store of older race parts I would like to put on a frame with faster angles and lighter tubing but can nevertheless accommodate tires like the 35mm Schwalbe Kojak. So that means either my next custom build project or maybe I can convince Riv to sell me an unpainted frame and fork. Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. The Pacer is a pretty good option, but maxes out at 32mm tires, and IIRC, it's a tight squeeze, depending on the brand. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
P.S. I just checked the rivbike website and noticed that they've changed the previous statement pertaining to color choices. Apparently any color that complements cream accents is now acceptable. Jim On Aug 28, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I have been looking for the right frame for this type of bike for a while. Lack of DT shifters among the new frames is unfortunately almost across the board. As Seth points out, DT are available on the Surly Pacer. Looks like a nice frame but maybe too much a yeoman effort to match with the antique Italian and French racing parts I am hoping to use. I have checked out a couple of old Colnago, Masi, DeRosa and even a CIOCC frame as possible rebuild candidates. None appeared to be able to take a 35 mm tire. On Aug 28, 10:14 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't noticed that it doesn't have DT shifter mounts. That's a bummer. I hope they change their mind about that. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Got 'em on my '72 Cinelli: http://campyonly.com/images/mystuff/2006/cinelli_6-10-06/IMG_0224_1000.jpg --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G*S* On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like this I'd go with Mercian. On Aug 28, 12:17 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: P.S. I just checked the rivbike website and noticed that they've changed the previous statement pertaining to color choices. Apparently any color that complements cream accents is now acceptable. Jim On Aug 28, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like this I'd go with Mercian. Not a bad idea. Appears as though you could do the Vincitore for less than a Roadeo. The Audax Special looks nice as well. Although if I am reading the specs correctly, it will not accommodate a 35 mm tire. I really like following Brad's blog over at Capricorn bikes. He may be a good choice as well. On Aug 28, 2:20 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like this I'd go with Mercian. On Aug 28, 12:17 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: P.S. I just checked the rivbike website and noticed that they've changed the previous statement pertaining to color choices. Apparently any color that complements cream accents is now acceptable. Jim On Aug 28, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Lovely Campy DT's to boot. Very nice. On Aug 28, 2:43 pm, Eric campyonly...@me.com wrote: Got 'em on my '72 Cinelli: http://campyonly.com/images/mystuff/2006/cinelli_6-10-06/IMG_0224_100... --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G*S* On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like this I'd go with Mercian. Not a bad idea. Appears as though you could do the Vincitore for less than a Roadeo. The Audax Special looks nice as well. Although if I am reading the specs correctly, it will not accommodate a 35 mm tire. I really like following Brad's blog over at Capricorn bikes. He may be a good choice as well. Brad's a nice guy and local to me. I have seen a few of his frames in person, really nice work. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Retouching a touch up
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, stevewst...@stevewimberg.com wrote: 3. A small bottle of Testors paint seems like a decent way to go, although color match may be a problem. If I use Testor's, I want enamel paint, right? I would rather not get into spraying, which eliminates the Competition Orange, I think. Any other wisdom is certainly welcome. Not to pre-empt our listmaster, but Jim has a very nice Rivendell touch-up page with color match info here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html It's a very common list question, and unfortunately that Rambouillet orange is one of the toughest matches. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Yeah, downtube shifter mounts are disappearing. And if you find old clamp-on downtube shifters, they probably won't work because most steel downtubes these days use 1 1/4 tubing rather than 1 1/8. The Soma Stanyan will take a 32mm tire, and has downtube shifter mounts (and lugs!). Comes in any color you want, as long as it's black. http://somafab.com/stanyan.html I have a Guerciotti from around 1990, and it just barely fits 28mm tires, due to the really short chainstays. Its geometry was pretty typical for that time period. It was rare to see racing bikes sporting tires wider than 28. Horace. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have been looking for the right frame for this type of bike for a while. Lack of DT shifters among the new frames is unfortunately almost across the board. As Seth points out, DT are available on the Surly Pacer. Looks like a nice frame but maybe too much a yeoman effort to match with the antique Italian and French racing parts I am hoping to use. I have checked out a couple of old Colnago, Masi, DeRosa and even a CIOCC frame as possible rebuild candidates. None appeared to be able to take a 35 mm tire. On Aug 28, 10:14 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't noticed that it doesn't have DT shifter mounts. That's a bummer. I hope they change their mind about that. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] protovelo's for sale
More protovelo's are up for sale: http://www.rivbike.com//#product=50-277 a 56 and 60 sam, now. and in that cool dark blue. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT braze ons adds too much weight. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Howdy folks. Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with short reach brakes at the bottom of the slot or standard reach at the top of the slot). Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in Wisconsin of much better than average steel is a HUGE difference. Next, the Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes. What percent of recently sold speedy carbon road bikes don't have integrated shifting of some sort? This isn't a Rambouillet replacement. Lastly, you don't shop RBW bikes because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged. You buy them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs... Whew! Doug On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much that would be common with a production operation in a modern factory with robot welding, etc. Surely, the total yearly production of frames by Waterford must be miniscule compared to a real factory operation. If you look at some of the options available on Waterford's own models, for example: http://waterfordbikes.com/now/pricelist.php?newstype=14seriesO. there are many options available. Again, I still can't see why there could not be more flexibility for the Roadeo model options. As I stated at the outset, I'm not in the market, however if I was I'd expect something more accommodating for a $2,000 frame. Jim On Aug 28, 2:47 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. They won't work with bar end shifters? I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. This is supposed to be a production bike, not a custom. That pretty much precludes custom braze-ons, doesn't it? Unless, of course, they're to be done post-production, the way I had the rack mounts relocated on my Saluki to fit the preferred location for the Berthoud front rack. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Again, doesn't that match the realities of production processing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT braze ons adds too much weight. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Are the geometry specs for the different sizes posted anywhere? From: J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:29:01 -0600 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com Hi all- Thought I'd delurk and put my 2 cents in about the Roadeo. I had the pleasure of visiting RBWHQL a few weeks ago after a business trip to the San Jose area. It turned out that Mark at Riv had just assembled the Roadeo so it was a great opportunity for me since I am in the market for a go fast steel bike to replace my Ti frame with carbon fork, etc. Even the prototype frame is quite beautiful in person. I rode the 55 cm prototype and when I got home I put a deposit on a 59 cm frame. My PBH is 87 cm. I'll be moving a Campy Ergo 9 triple group to the Roadeo so the lack of DT shifter bosses isn't an issue with me. I'd been considering getting a Waterford RS-22 but the Grant design/handling turned out to be the decisive factor. BTW, my wife and I had a wonderful afternoon at Riv. Highly recommended! We borrowed a couple of bikes (AHH and Sam H.) and road to the base of Mt. Diablo. Will do the climb next time, ;-). Several members of the Riv staff were very generous with their time (Mark, Keven, Dave) and we greatly appreciate it. Doug Way Boulder, CO CycloFiend wrote: Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary Boulanger http://tinyurl.com/roadeo-review01 -- *** J. Douglas Way, Professor Chemical Engineering Dept., Colorado School of Mines 1500 Illinois Street, Golden, CO 80401-7887 USA Phone: 303-273-3519 Fax: 303-273-3730 Email: d...@mines.edu http://chemeng.mines.edu/faculty/dway/ *** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. They won't work with bar end shifters? I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. This is supposed to be a production bike, not a custom. That pretty much precludes custom braze-ons, doesn't it? Unless, of course, they're to be done post-production, the way I had the rack mounts relocated on my Saluki to fit the preferred location for the Berthoud front rack. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Again, doesn't that match the realities of production processing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Good points, but I think all of these questions come about precisely because the cost of the production Riv is now only slightly less than many full customs. So if there isn't a tiny bit of flexibility on Riv's part, I would think many potential buyers will be tempted to spend just a little more to get a bike exactly as they want it by going full custom. In other words, it was one thing to settle for a color you didn't quite like or imperfect braze-ons when a ff were $1500 or less, but at $2000 it's a different game and set of mental calculations for the buyer. From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:47:32 -0400 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. They won't work with bar end shifters? I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. This is supposed to be a production bike, not a custom. That pretty much precludes custom braze-ons, doesn't it? Unless, of course, they're to be done post-production, the way I had the rack mounts relocated on my Saluki to fit the preferred location for the Berthoud front rack. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Again, doesn't that match the realities of production processing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:10 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much that would be common with a production operation in a modern factory with robot welding, etc. Surely, the total yearly production of frames by Waterford must be miniscule compared to a real factory operation. There's robot welders/mass production, and then there's production in the sense of how Toyo or Santana operate. Let's set the jigs to make 59 cm frames. Let's cut tubes to make 20 59cm, and let's braze them up. Now let's reset and make some 56s. And so on. Where in there is the opportunity to add some special braze-ons for some individual customer? Nowhere that I can see. If you want a bespoke frame, Riv has customs for that. If you look at some of the options available on Waterford's own models, for example: http://waterfordbikes.com/now/pricelist.php?newstype=14seriesO. there are many options available. Again, I still can't see why there could not be more flexibility for the Roadeo model options. Those are customs, right? And not to put too fine a point on it, just because you can't see why there can't be more flexibility doesn't mean there isn't a valid reason. As I stated at the outset, I'm not in the market, however if I was I'd expect something more accommodating for a $2,000 frame. You can get a Roland De La Santa custom for two thousand bucks, too. I'd suggest that would be a much better fit for you, if you find yourself in the market. Besides, nobody would mock the name, as they surely will with this one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 14:59 -0700, Doug Van Cleve wrote: Howdy folks. Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with short reach brakes at the bottom of the slot or standard reach at the top of the slot). Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in Wisconsin of much better than average steel is a HUGE difference. Next, the Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes. What percent of recently sold speedy carbon road bikes don't have integrated shifting of some sort? This isn't a Rambouillet replacement. Lastly, you don't shop RBW bikes because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged. You buy them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs... Whew! Excellent points, all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts. I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on Waterford's own stock models (unless I am missing something on their web site) has something to do with Steve's point about setting up the jigs and all. Possibly d/t mounts take some additional set up - which means time - which means money. On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT braze ons adds too much weight. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I stopped at Riv HQ on my way home from work and tried the Roadeo. It's a little small for me but still a very sweet bike. Light, nimble, and tracks steady. It rides a lot like my Legolas 59, but even with a Brooks saddle it is noticeably lighter to lift. If I hadn't bought one of the last Legolas', I'd get one of these. jim mather wc ca --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Doug: I agree with the points you make. I am just a tad frustrated as the Roadeo is so close to a bike I have in mind - even the stock colors - but for one missing option. We dt people want in on the fun. On Aug 28, 4:59 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy folks. Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with short reach brakes at the bottom of the slot or standard reach at the top of the slot). Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in Wisconsin of much better than average steel is a HUGE difference. Next, the Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes. What percent of recently sold speedy carbon road bikes don't have integrated shifting of some sort? This isn't a Rambouillet replacement. Lastly, you don't shop RBW bikes because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged. You buy them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs... Whew! Doug On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Are the geometry specs for the different sizes posted anywhere? I hope they are. I would kind of like to swipe them ;) On Aug 28, 5:54 pm, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: Are the geometry specs for the different sizes posted anywhere? From: J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:29:01 -0600 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com Hi all- Thought I'd delurk and put my 2 cents in about the Roadeo. I had the pleasure of visiting RBWHQL a few weeks ago after a business trip to the San Jose area. It turned out that Mark at Riv had just assembled the Roadeo so it was a great opportunity for me since I am in the market for a go fast steel bike to replace my Ti frame with carbon fork, etc. Even the prototype frame is quite beautiful in person. I rode the 55 cm prototype and when I got home I put a deposit on a 59 cm frame. My PBH is 87 cm. I'll be moving a Campy Ergo 9 triple group to the Roadeo so the lack of DT shifter bosses isn't an issue with me. I'd been considering getting a Waterford RS-22 but the Grant design/handling turned out to be the decisive factor. BTW, my wife and I had a wonderful afternoon at Riv. Highly recommended! We borrowed a couple of bikes (AHH and Sam H.) and road to the base of Mt. Diablo. Will do the climb next time, ;-). Several members of the Riv staff were very generous with their time (Mark, Keven, Dave) and we greatly appreciate it. Doug Way Boulder, CO CycloFiend wrote: Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary Boulanger http://tinyurl.com/roadeo-review01 -- *** J. Douglas Way, Professor Chemical Engineering Dept., Colorado School of Mines 1500 Illinois Street, Golden, CO 80401-7887 USA Phone: 303-273-3519 Fax: 303-273-3730 Email: d...@mines.edu http://chemeng.mines.edu/faculty/dway/ *** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I find it hard to believe that not including the dt mounts is a simple cost saving measure, as this isn't intended to be a budget frame. I suspect that the primary reason is the dt bosses add weight, and that there isn't enough demand for dt shifters to justify the extra couple ounces or whatever that would make it harder to acheive the sub-4lb weight target. If this is indeed a club racer, then most people who get one will probably want to use some type of integrated shifting/ braking levers. It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz frames. On Aug 28, 8:42 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts. I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on Waterford's own stock models (unless I am missing something on their web site) has something to do with Steve's point about setting up the jigs and all. Possibly d/t mounts take some additional set up - which means time - which means money. On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT braze ons adds too much weight. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been actively collecting for six years now and can only remember one or two being offered for sale. Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and Eddy Merckx as
Fwd: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! The Gunnar Sport also made by Waterford has DT shifter mounts. I think Waterford will make any bike with DT mounts since they are all customs. Here is a photo of a Road Sport with DT mounts http://waterfordbikes.com/now/modelthis.php?blobid=678. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Continentals 25% off at REI
REI is selling all Continental tires at 25% off. Good time to stock up on Ultra Gatorskins. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Even running STI, I'd want DT bosses! It gives you barrel adjusters within arms reach for a handy adjust on the fly when the shifting goes a bit off. Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 19:35, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Doug: I agree with the points you make. I am just a tad frustrated as the Roadeo is so close to a bike I have in mind - even the stock colors - but for one missing option. We dt people want in on the fun. On Aug 28, 4:59 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy folks. Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with short reach brakes at the bottom of the slot or standard reach at the top of the slot). Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in Wisconsin of much better than average steel is a HUGE difference. Next, the Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes. What percent of recently sold speedy carbon road bikes don't have integrated shifting of some sort? This isn't a Rambouillet replacement. Lastly, you don't shop RBW bikes because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged. You buy them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs... Whew! Doug On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
In-line barrel adjusters take care of that. Jim On Aug 28, 9:12 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: Even running STI, I'd want DT bosses! It gives you barrel adjusters within arms reach for a handy adjust on the fly when the shifting goes a bit off. Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 19:35, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Doug: I agree with the points you make. I am just a tad frustrated as the Roadeo is so close to a bike I have in mind - even the stock colors - but for one missing option. We dt people want in on the fun. On Aug 28, 4:59 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy folks. Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with short reach brakes at the bottom of the slot or standard reach at the top of the slot). Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in Wisconsin of much better than average steel is a HUGE difference. Next, the Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes. What percent of recently sold speedy carbon road bikes don't have integrated shifting of some sort? This isn't a Rambouillet replacement. Lastly, you don't shop RBW bikes because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged. You buy them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs... Whew! Doug On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it accomodate 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Riv Road for sale price question.
Hello, I am trying to sell my wife's riv road- It has about 200 miles, campy record brakes, t/a triple crank, chorus elsewhere, cris king HS Mavic Open Pro wheel set. It is a Joe Bell painted bike in split pea and tusk. Do you king friend know what sort of value I should put on it to list it on ebay? Thanks, JC On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:33 AM, rbw-owners-bunch group nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: RBW Owners Bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Today's topics: * Search Function For This Group - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/8e16d8f85639ea06?hl=en * Fork Shudder - 3 messages, 3 authors http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/880b201e12e21a1a?hl=en * QB on NYT - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/258705817d6ccecf?hl=en * Trunk Bag for Nitto Rear Campee/Camper? - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/5eba7b677f35a3d1?hl=en * Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com - 5 messages, 5 authors http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/8c6549d5793ffded?hl=en * Anyone selling a 62 cm Rambouillet? - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/f9835c0a24d90218?hl=en * Busted Zipper - 4 messages, 4 authors http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/1a7ebfe980c47b05?hl=en * For Sale: My Quickbeam's Stock Wheelset - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/d7a1ef7916553814?hl=en == TOPIC: Search Function For This Group http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/8e16d8f85639ea06?hl=en == == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Aug 26 2009 9:41 pm From: CycloFiend on 8/26/09 3:59 PM, Garth at garth...@gmail.com wrote: The search function seems rather useless. It wasn't always this way, I seem to remember a crash a while ago on this site. . . .are all the old posts gone? Thanks for mentioning this. I hadn't noticed that issue specifically. I don't have time to dig deeply into the issue tonight, so here's the nickel tour of the issue: It appears that Google Groups has been having an issue with the standard search function related to the groups. There is no official word on an expected fix. All the posts of this group are still available. You can find them if you go to the group page, then click on About This Group. There is a tally by month of the posts to this group. You can click on each number to see that month's posts. The current specific workaround seems to be by using the Google Groups Advanced Search page - http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=; If you use this search, it will generate a result which includes posts back to the beginning of this group. NOTE - When using the Google Groups Advanced Search page, you will need to enter the specific name of this group: rbw-owners-bunch Hope that helps. More info as I know more. - Jim -- Jim Edgar / List Admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net == TOPIC: Fork Shudder http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/880b201e12e21a1a?hl=en == == 1 of 3 == Date: Thurs, Aug 27 2009 4:51 am From: Angus Chris, I had a fork shudder issue on my Atlantis. I my case it was a set of brakes that had no toe adjustment (other than bending something) and had a lot of clearance between the cantilever post on the fork and the bushings in the brakes (loose fit on the studs). The lack of proper toe adjustment would set up a vibration that was bad enough to shudder the fork/bike. I changed brakes, now everything is happy as can be :-) I have had incorrect toe settings on other brakes and they generally just get noisy. Angus On Aug 26, 6:26 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:28 PM, chris love wrote: Anybody have any experience with eliminating fork shudder with cantis? I'm running Tektro CR720's. The problem is the stick-slip cycle. You can try cleaning the rim very thoroughly, changing brake pads, even changing brakes. Sometimes that works. The problem lies in the fork legs twisting and flexing, causing the brakes to grab then slip then grab then slip then grab then slip... Maybe installing a brake booster would stop it. == 2 of 3 == Date: Thurs, Aug 27 2009 9:52 am From: MitchK On Aug 26, 10:28 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody have any experience with eliminating fork shudder with cantis? I'm running Tektro CR720's. Yes, on my Surly LHT with the exact same brake as you. It developed after a while, it wasn't there originally. Drove me
[RBW] WTT: Quickbeam 175 crank arms for 170 crank arms
Hello! I just bought a lightly used silver Quickbeam that has the 175mm cranks on it. I'd love to trade someone for a pair of the 170mm arms. The pair I have are in excellent condition. I've only ridden the bike once, and the previous owner put very few miles on it. Thanks, Dave freshd...@gmail.com P.S. This is also my first post and my first Rivendell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz frames. But why not give the 40 year old parts a chance to shine as well? Seriously though, I suspect this (and set up costs) to be the culprit. GP's write up said he really had to sweat the weight. D/t mounts are surprisingly heavy little buggers. On Aug 28, 9:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I find it hard to believe that not including the dt mounts is a simple cost saving measure, as this isn't intended to be a budget frame. I suspect that the primary reason is the dt bosses add weight, and that there isn't enough demand for dt shifters to justify the extra couple ounces or whatever that would make it harder to acheive the sub-4lb weight target. If this is indeed a club racer, then most people who get one will probably want to use some type of integrated shifting/ braking levers. It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz frames. On Aug 28, 8:42 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts. I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on Waterford's own stock models (unless I am missing something on their web site) has something to do with Steve's point about setting up the jigs and all. Possibly d/t mounts take some additional set up - which means time - which means money. On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! Ryan On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT braze ons adds too much weight. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Jim On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? Indeed there are. However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could rotate use of some of those lovely old parts Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I have been
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Howdy folks. Places like W'ford do both batch production and truly custom one-at-a-time builds as well. I am pretty sure the Roadeo and probably anything RBW has built there is done in batches. I read a lot of framebuilder stuff on the web and batches are much faster and easier, therefore frames that are batch built can be priced lower. Changes that seem minor negate those savings... Doug On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much that would be common with a production operation in a modern factory with robot welding, etc. Surely, the total yearly production of frames by Waterford must be miniscule compared to a real factory operation. If you look at some of the options available on Waterford's own models, for example: http://waterfordbikes.com/now/pricelist.php?newstype=14seriesO. there are many options available. Again, I still can't see why there could not be more flexibility for the Roadeo model options. As I stated at the outset, I'm not in the market, however if I was I'd expect something more accommodating for a $2,000 frame. Jim On Aug 28, 2:47 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required system compatibility has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its braze- on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) system. They won't work with bar end shifters? I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what Waterford is willing to accept. This is supposed to be a production bike, not a custom. That pretty much precludes custom braze-ons, doesn't it? Unless, of course, they're to be done post-production, the way I had the rack mounts relocated on my Saluki to fit the preferred location for the Berthoud front rack. Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as it was black). Again, doesn't that match the realities of production processing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fwd: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
I think Waterford will make any bike with DT mounts since they are all customs. It just might be the case. For whatever reason, WF does not appear to offer d/t mounts as an option on their site, however. On Aug 28, 8:55 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! The Gunnar Sport also made by Waterford has DT shifter mounts. I think Waterford will make any bike with DT mounts since they are all customs. Here is a photo of a Road Sport with DT mountshttp://waterfordbikes.com/now/modelthis.php?blobid=678. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fork Shudder
On Aug 26, 10:28 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody have any experience with eliminating fork shudder with cantis? I'm running Tektro CR720's. Yes, on my Surly LHT with the exact same brake as you. It developed after a while, it wasn't there originally. Drove me nuts. I played with toe-in, pads, cleaning rims, cable leverage, etc., all to no avail. I didn't try the fork mounted cable hanger, but I was pondering it. It wasn't until I ran across a thread somewhere which suggested checking headset adjustment. I tightened my headset a bit, and the shudder was diminished. A bit more, diminished more. One final bit, and it was gone (maybe a quarter turn or so total). Note that the headset wasn't theoretically too loose before (based on bearing play) and I don't think it's too tight now. Still turns smoothly without binding. For what it's worth my headset is a Cane Crake S-3. Mitch --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Retouching a touch up
I find that, for my tastes, touch up paints rarely match the existing hue and/or quality of finish on bikes and it bothers me. I just use clear nail polish on nicks to keep the oxygen off the metal. However, like Bill said, there is an archive of tried and true touch up colors. On Aug 28, 10:06 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, stevewst...@stevewimberg.com wrote: 3. A small bottle of Testors paint seems like a decent way to go, although color match may be a problem. If I use Testor's, I want enamel paint, right? I would rather not get into spraying, which eliminates the Competition Orange, I think. Any other wisdom is certainly welcome. Not to pre-empt our listmaster, but Jim has a very nice Rivendell touch-up page with color match info here:http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html It's a very common list question, and unfortunately that Rambouillet orange is one of the toughest matches. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] DT shifters, another point of view
I think Doug VC got it pretty right---about this being an alternative to carbon bikes. It is specifically and intentionally from conception to production a club-rider's bike. I know it's easy to see the steel and lugs and think A, Bob Jackson-ish or Just like my old Raleigh Competition, but those aren't the target with this one. About 98% of club riders don't ride downtube shifters, and this is a club-rider's bike. Another thing is that with our higher-bar bikes and our up-sizing, the dt shifters are much lower down and less accessible than they are with a low-bar bike. The other thing is the thin tubing. It's better to keep the footprint smaller and closer to the lug so the thinner tubing is left more alone. DT weigh more and require more heat to braze on in a thinner part of the tube. As for Wford's influence--this is our bike. It is an ongoing thorn of sorts that we don't hide our builders, and then our bikes are thought of as their bikes. If we want the DT shifters, we can get them---but for the reasons above, we don't want them. However--if anybody on this list wants the bike with DT shifters, we will use a different down tube and do that for a $50 upcharge. The upcharge isn't the pure, physical price of the shifter bosses. That's about $17. But then we round the bases to reduce the stress riser; and that's labor. And then there's the special handling of the different tube. Anybody who has worked in a shop knows that setting up a machine for a five-minute operation can take 40 minutes; and that introducing exceptions increases the risk of a screw up. Our cost on this is about $120, but we'll split that cost and charge just $60. I stll wouldn't recommend it. I know DT shifters are fine, but they aren't a perfect fit with the concept of this particular bike. Still, we can do them. We've worked a lot on the Roadeo, and that work disappears as soon as the bike shows up. Nothing on the frame landed their by default, and nothing left off was overlooked. There are lots of forks in the road that present two or three or four good options, but the bike has room for only one. Hey--the headbadge sample should be here in about 2 weeks. It's made in Rhode Island, and is coming along pretty nicely! Best, Grant --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view
Rhode-O-Island On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: I think Doug VC got it pretty right---about this being an alternative to carbon bikes. It is specifically and intentionally from conception to production a club-rider's bike. I know it's easy to see the steel and lugs and think A, Bob Jackson-ish or Just like my old Raleigh Competition, but those aren't the target with this one. About 98% of club riders don't ride downtube shifters, and this is a club-rider's bike. Another thing is that with our higher-bar bikes and our up-sizing, the dt shifters are much lower down and less accessible than they are with a low-bar bike. The other thing is the thin tubing. It's better to keep the footprint smaller and closer to the lug so the thinner tubing is left more alone. DT weigh more and require more heat to braze on in a thinner part of the tube. As for Wford's influence--this is our bike. It is an ongoing thorn of sorts that we don't hide our builders, and then our bikes are thought of as their bikes. If we want the DT shifters, we can get them---but for the reasons above, we don't want them. However--if anybody on this list wants the bike with DT shifters, we will use a different down tube and do that for a $50 upcharge. The upcharge isn't the pure, physical price of the shifter bosses. That's about $17. But then we round the bases to reduce the stress riser; and that's labor. And then there's the special handling of the different tube. Anybody who has worked in a shop knows that setting up a machine for a five-minute operation can take 40 minutes; and that introducing exceptions increases the risk of a screw up. Our cost on this is about $120, but we'll split that cost and charge just $60. I stll wouldn't recommend it. I know DT shifters are fine, but they aren't a perfect fit with the concept of this particular bike. Still, we can do them. We've worked a lot on the Roadeo, and that work disappears as soon as the bike shows up. Nothing on the frame landed their by default, and nothing left off was overlooked. There are lots of forks in the road that present two or three or four good options, but the bike has room for only one. Hey--the headbadge sample should be here in about 2 weeks. It's made in Rhode Island, and is coming along pretty nicely! Best, Grant -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
