[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved handling. I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all like their geometry (in one way or another) How do the two compare? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: From full suspension to Bombadil??
When my, now 6 year-old, daughter was 3 I taught her to say Allez Allez when I took her for a ride in the trailer. Funny those rides reminded me that riding just for the heck of it was a kick and I didn't miss not having a HRM, clipless pedals and a ride goal. Then I discovered the Riv website. Now I have a new budget steel ride that I rivenated, my faithful R800 waits for the occasional go fast group ride, and I am saving my pennies for a cool Orange Sam or maybe a very nice used Bleriot. Jinxed you are on the right trail, so to speak, ride-enjoy-smile Good luck with the move to a rigid MTB On Sep 14, 1:24 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean this entirely positively - but the above sounds like advertisement for rivendell: When it is time to be an adult, talk to rivendell, they have the bike for you :) good luck on the decision on the bombadil. -sv Taken as such! BUT the funny thing is, I am now back to riding just for fun like a kid. I know for me, a lot of where I was regarding my bikes was because I'm in the industry. I was wrenching bikes for the teams we sponsored. Then I was riding with them, then training, then all of a sudden you're wrapped up in this lifestyle and you forget all about the fun of just riding. You have the latest greatest because you can, and you love it cuz you sell it. Luckily, my little one has brought much of the perspective back. She just squeals with we every little downhill, now I dig it too. I no longer care how far or fast and don't keep track of how often. Having a rack now, I pack up my sketch book and go meander someplace. Take a lunch, all that. It does sound cliche in Riv context, but I sure am happy to feel good about cycling again. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Tire size and bike fit
As I have posted before I just purchased a 58cm Atlantis frame and will be building it up in the next few months. Just a side note, I haven't seen the frame yet because I am in Africa until sometime in Oct, it is still the box in my garage. Anyway I bought the Atlantis to be my big tire bike, and I was wondering how might putting 50mm or 60mm tires on the bike change the fit. I am a little concerned about the stand over height with such large tires on the bike. My PBH is 85.7. The question is, should I have bought the 56cm instead or will the 58cm still fit with big tires? One last thing I didn't tell the guys at RBW that I was planning on running such large tires when I ordered the frame. Thanks in advance for any advice given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire size and bike fit
My PBH is 89cm (3.3cm more) and I ride a 64cm Atlantis (6cm more). With 37mm Paselas I don't find the stand over height to be a problem, I wouldn't think that 50 or 60mm tires would make a huge difference on your Atlantis. Angus On Sep 15, 2:17 am, Greenwayrider sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: As I have posted before I just purchased a 58cm Atlantis frame and will be building it up in the next few months. Just a side note, I haven't seen the frame yet because I am in Africa until sometime in Oct, it is still the box in my garage. Anyway I bought the Atlantis to be my big tire bike, and I was wondering how might putting 50mm or 60mm tires on the bike change the fit. I am a little concerned about the stand over height with such large tires on the bike. My PBH is 85.7. The question is, should I have bought the 56cm instead or will the 58cm still fit with big tires? One last thing I didn't tell the guys at RBW that I was planning on running such large tires when I ordered the frame. Thanks in advance for any advice given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: What to do after a rain ride?
It hardly rains here in Western Colorado with 9 inches/year average, last night the exception. If it is a fendered bike, I tend to run the chain through a rag and relube, and perhaps wipe the gunk off the rims. This takes less than 5 minutes. A non-fendered bike gets a full wipe-down and relube of chain, derailers, brakes. This takes about 10 minutes. I too spray Boeshield in my frames, especially the bottom bracket area, when I build them up. Those seem like simple and easy steps to protect my bikes. I have never had any rust or stuck stems/posts, including on my 1980-acquired (1966 built) Robin Hood 3-speed that gets out in ALL kinds of weather. On Sep 14, 11:53 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I put a couple of hours on the (fendered) Atlantis in a light rain this Saturday. Afterwards I lubed the chain, pulled out the stem to check for water intrusion (there was none) and wiped the gray junk off the rims. I'm curious what others do to their bikes after riding in the rain? Angus --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
My SJ has a very high BB, which makes for good fixed-gear and cornering pedal clearance! On Sep 15, 1:36 am, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved handling. I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all like their geometry (in one way or another) How do the two compare? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: new hillborne pics
Hey Jason, congrats on the new bike and welcome to the club. Your bike looks great. And yeah, baskets are great. I think I'll eventually be adding a similar front rack and basket to my commuter (Surly CC). On Sep 14, 8:54 pm, jason jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: hi everyone.. i received my new bike a few days ago.. i believe it's the last green in size 56...at least that riv hq had i know some of their dealers still have other green s.h. frames.. this is outfitted with the cheaper VO 48mm flutted flat-finish aluminum fenders...that weren't too difficult to do right... these are pics from a ride yesterday with plenty of produce in the basket and trunksack.. and also from a leisurely 50 mile ride into the new jersey palisades from brooklyn i took today http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100056 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Here's a whole world of MTB conversions to sift through for those thinking along these lines. A nice old Rivendell was uploaded recently - anyone here? Mr. Cranky? http://www.flickr.com/groups/1058...@n23/pool/ Cheers, Marty On Sep 15, 9:19 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: My SJ has a very high BB, which makes for good fixed-gear and cornering pedal clearance! On Sep 15, 1:36 am, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved handling. I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all like their geometry (in one way or another) How do the two compare? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Thanks for the photo, Jim, I'm going to try the dirtdrop w/ my '90 rockhopper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Bottom-bracket-driven handling differences are actually much more noticeable when bikes are *un*loaded. Load up some rear panniers and front low-riders, and you do enough to lower the bike's center of gravity that an early MTB will feel almost as stable as a similarly loaded Riv, certainly when at cruising speed. It's when you stomp on an unloaded (or high-loaded) bike (i.e., starting, accelerating, climbing) that you really feel the difference between a high bottom bracket and a low one. On Sep 15, 2:36 am, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved handling. I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all like their geometry (in one way or another) How do the two compare? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
when I had mine I took it to Riv and there was quite a stir seeing that old vintage bike. I asked them about the geo and the steering. Grant measured the angles and the trail and to a man, they said one way to improve the steering was to consider a much larger tire or even a LARGER WHEEL. I tried bigger tires and that did improve steering some, but not enough to have me keep it in the herd. On Sep 15, 7:09 am, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the photo, Jim, I'm going to try the dirtdrop w/ my '90 rockhopper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: new hillborne pics
Those MKS sneaker pedals are great too! Very comfortable underfoot, grippy enough, and they look terrific. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire size and bike fit
Greenway: Email Keven at Riv. Confess your lust for big tires. He will steer you to the path righteousness on frame size. Even if you were to build up your frame completely (as I did) and find that it is the wrong size for you (I did), Riv will let you exchange the frame (I did x 2!!). Just be completely straight with them about your concerns and they'll stand by their advice to you. Your decision might seem kind of critical because you are deciding between two frame sizes that require different wheels, but it's pretty easy to borrow wheels and test them out without building up the bike. Keven, or somebody at RBW, will be able to tell exactly how much the tire size changes the standover height. Rest assured that Grant and his crew are used to dealing with customers who waffle a bit about their bikes. The have proven to me that they will go to extraordinary lengths to assure that you are happy with your purchase. If you do decide to exchange frames, do offer to pay shipping for the new frame. It's the right thing to do and the simple gesture goes a long ways towards making the guys feel valued. For what it's worth, I am able to fit on Atlantis frames from 62 - 68. The 64cm frame that I have now is 2cm smaller than what Riv recommends for me and it fits me great because I have a really short torso. On Sep 15, 4:32 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: My PBH is 89cm (3.3cm more) and I ride a 64cm Atlantis (6cm more). With 37mm Paselas I don't find the stand over height to be a problem, I wouldn't think that 50 or 60mm tires would make a huge difference on your Atlantis. Angus On Sep 15, 2:17 am, Greenwayrider sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: As I have posted before I just purchased a 58cm Atlantis frame and will be building it up in the next few months. Just a side note, I haven't seen the frame yet because I am in Africa until sometime in Oct, it is still the box in my garage. Anyway I bought the Atlantis to be my big tire bike, and I was wondering how might putting 50mm or 60mm tires on the bike change the fit. I am a little concerned about the stand over height with such large tires on the bike. My PBH is 85.7. The question is, should I have bought the 56cm instead or will the 58cm still fit with big tires? One last thing I didn't tell the guys at RBW that I was planning on running such large tires when I ordered the frame. Thanks in advance for any advice given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire size and bike fit
I did something similar with a custom that is close in design principal to the Atlantis. When I discovered the frame would fit large Schwalbe Big Apples, I had to go for it. The bike is a perfect fit for me with up to 32s. The 60s really made a difference. The bike rode fine, if a little disorienting. It is quite the surprise the difference a few cms have on perspective. Mounting and dismounting, especially with loads was a bit of a pain. I should have been a ballet dancer or ninja, the way I had to stretch to get my legs over the saddle. Long and short of it - I would check with Riv to be sure you have the right size frame. Riding on Big Apples and similar large but low rolling resistance tires is really remarkable. You will not want to have to give them up because the frame is too big. Hope all is going well for you in Africa. On Sep 15, 2:17 am, Greenwayrider sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: As I have posted before I just purchased a 58cm Atlantis frame and will be building it up in the next few months. Just a side note, I haven't seen the frame yet because I am in Africa until sometime in Oct, it is still the box in my garage. Anyway I bought the Atlantis to be my big tire bike, and I was wondering how might putting 50mm or 60mm tires on the bike change the fit. I am a little concerned about the stand over height with such large tires on the bike. My PBH is 85.7. The question is, should I have bought the 56cm instead or will the 58cm still fit with big tires? One last thing I didn't tell the guys at RBW that I was planning on running such large tires when I ordered the frame. Thanks in advance for any advice given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
I've become a fan of Opinel Knives: http://www.opiknife.com Wooden-handled pocket knives, made in France (I know, I know, the carbon footprint...) and available in several sizes. I found my first one years ago, in the saddlebag of an old bike abandoned at our shop. I had it sharpened at my local knife store, and it lives in my tool box as an excellent utility knife. I purchsed a second one that I carry in my pocket. No. 7 and 8 are good pocket sizes, though smaller and larger versions are available. It's a basic, utilitarian and very smart design. And rather affordable; my newer No. 8 with a steel blade cost me about 12 bucks. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
On Sep 13, 7:44 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Beth: Does your shop handle any of these? --- On Sun, 9/13/09, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Cardiff leather saddle and Cyclone leather handlebar tape, and Rubena street tires (a nice copy of the Schwalbe Marathon). We are very committed to Brooks saddles and Schwalbe tires -- and so are most of our customers! -- so for the time being Cardiff Saddles and Rubena tires are special-order items only. As for leather bar tape, it typically doesn't sell well at all in our climate. (Leather tape tends to decay quickly in our rainy winters and most of us don't think it's worth the money.) Shellacked cork or cloth tape shows up more often up here. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
JimT at Hiawatha sold me a fine silver '83 Stumpjumper Sport that has become a good AR for me. Not quite as pretty as an Atlantis and maybe not quite as versatile, but pretty close for my purposes. I've used it with drop bars and fenders and racks, but its current incarnation involves the lovely Rivendell Bullnose bars, Paul's Thumbies, and Big Apples. Good for casual trail riding, cruising with the kids, etc. I'm a sucker for the biplane fork crown, variants of which I now have on FOUR bikes (a '94 RB-1, a Rawland Sogn, the SJ, and an early 80s Univega mtb set up as an XtraCycle). Photos of the SJ here: http://tinyurl.com/lb3w84 Shown alongside the newest member of the fleet, the 2009 Stumpjumper, in a couple photos. 26 years of evolution. Brian Park City, UT On Sep 14, 5:02 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and some bidders probably think so: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230374249630ssPag... (I was one of those bidders and wouldn't go that high. Maybe I would have if I didn't have stout bikes already. But that is a really nice frame.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Anyone know about Skeppshult?
Hey, I may be able to get a men's Skeppshult Nature at about half price here in NYC (~$800-900). Anyone have any experience with these bikes or know anything about them? Thanks, Curtis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
I bought a NOS 1989 (I'm guessing) Rockhopper from the same guy. Was as advertised (although the build quality wasn't great -- it was an early Taiwan frame). It was a nice package -- drivetrain (48-38-28 almost round Biopace in the front, 13-30 seven-speed in the back) and brakes were Mountain LX (levers were Exage); hubs were Specialized- branded Suntour/Sansin sealed bearing; rims were Araya. The bits limiting its all-rounder potential were: short chainstays (really couldn't go bigger than 2.0 in the back, and definitely would have to go skinnier with fenders) and high bottom bracket. I ended up passing it along (for what I had into it) to a student whose bike had been stolen, but I seriously considered Xtra'cycling it. On Sep 14, 11:57 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I think most old suspension-less mountain bikes make great All Rounders. Most people I run into touring have an old mountain bike converted to All Rounder. I am not too sure about how the geometry changed from the early 80's to about 1997 (when it became almost impossible to get a high quality suspension-less bike), but I converted several of them from that time period into AR's and they all work great. I currently have a 1996 Trek 930 that I bought new in the box in 2006. The key is to buy it WAY bigger than they would have sized you for when it was new. Lugs vs non-lugged is much less important to me when I am going for value-- condition and spec is much more important. Almost everyone I know is a new stem, new tires, new h'bars away from a great AR--oh yeah, and fenders, cant forget the fenders. I think this is brilliant: http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-NISHIKI-CASCADE-MOUNTAIN-BIKE-BICYCLE_W... I know, tinyurl, but I wanted people to know it was ebay.$259 for a new full LX bike with thumbshifters? That is grand-- of course it is also tiny-- but I got my Trek from the same guy-- he must have a warehouse of old mountain bikes. The Trek was top-notch and as good as he claimed. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
Opinel knives are the best! I bought 2 while in france 26 fears ago. I lost one after 10 years, and have been carrying the other one for the past 16. Great quality high carbon steel that holds an edge, lightweight and a locking blade. Great for cutting fruit, scraping paint and picking your fingernails. I have often thought of sending one to Grant as a present, if I did I am sure he would sell them. Tom Dusky #6 On Sep 15, 11:02 am, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I've become a fan of Opinel Knives: http://www.opiknife.com Wooden-handled pocket knives, made in France (I know, I know, the carbon footprint...) and available in several sizes. I found my first one years ago, in the saddlebag of an old bike abandoned at our shop. I had it sharpened at my local knife store, and it lives in my tool box as an excellent utility knife. I purchsed a second one that I carry in my pocket. No. 7 and 8 are good pocket sizes, though smaller and larger versions are available. It's a basic, utilitarian and very smart design. And rather affordable; my newer No. 8 with a steel blade cost me about 12 bucks. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeams on Ebay
That was my bid ! ! ! :-)) Now to build it up. I'll probably go pretty close to the current specs for a new Quickbeam. I like the idea of the Sugino double up front (actually a triple with the outer ring replaced with a guard), though I'm not fond of a high Q factor. My current ride has a TA cyclotouriste double and I'm really fond of the low tread. Decisions, decisions... Ron --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tandems?
I have both a 1992 Trek 520 and a 1992 Trek T200. The experience of a single bike and a tandem are hard for me to compare, since the skill set is somewhat different. The T200 is TIG steel and is a fun ride. I would give a shout out for Paul's V-brakes...they stop that tandem beast (F=M x A!) without a drag brake. At least in Portland, tandems sell poorly as evidenced by being on Craigslist for months; the price for my tandem was $700, only needing two new saddles and pedals. A word to the wise, be cautious about having your teenage son as the stoker, complaining that his long time cyclist father is doggin' it. On Sep 14, 3:18 pm, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: I want to build a tandem bike. Not something super expensive or luxurious, but something I can depend on all the same and take on longer rides and tours. Ideally I'd find a decently priced older complete or frame and go from there, as I've done with many classy old steel single-seaters. What would be the tandem-equivalent of a Trek 520? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeams on Ebay
Congratulations! I backed out and didn't bid. I hope it works out, please post it here On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: That was my bid ! ! ! :-)) Now to build it up. I'll probably go pretty close to the current specs for a new Quickbeam. I like the idea of the Sugino double up front (actually a triple with the outer ring replaced with a guard), though I'm not fond of a high Q factor. My current ride has a TA cyclotouriste double and I'm really fond of the low tread. Decisions, decisions... Ron --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Speaking of which, anyone see this new Cyclofiend Working Bike entry: http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wb112-cooperdragonette0909.html Not sure if Cooper visits the board here. If so, along with saying what a great bike this turned out to be, I want to point out that the 'Brooks style saddle appears to be a very nice Ideale and as such probably has collectible value. On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and some bidders probably think so: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230374249630ssPag... (I was one of those bidders and wouldn't go that high. Maybe I would have if I didn't have stout bikes already. But that is a really nice frame.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: new hillborne pics
Beautiful bike - congrats. A few more Hillborne pics here, these in orange: http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/ a...@ecovelo On Sep 14, 8:54 pm, jason jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: hi everyone.. i received my new bike a few days ago.. i believe it's the last green in size 56...at least that riv hq had i know some of their dealers still have other green s.h. frames.. this is outfitted with the cheaper VO 48mm flutted flat-finish aluminum fenders...that weren't too difficult to do right... these are pics from a ride yesterday with plenty of produce in the basket and trunksack.. and also from a leisurely 50 mile ride into the new jersey palisades from brooklyn i took today http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100056 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Hi- Yeah, I'm an admin for the Nub City Wheelsters, MTB converted to touring rig group. My pal Jake converted his old Rockhopper to a loaded touring rig last summer and this group was born out of his experience. Thanks to Jim T. for linking to us. Come one come all! Here's my stumpy, or Nubster as we refer to them. http://www.flickr.com/photos/garycaribou/3019651239/in/pool-1058...@n23 Cheers, Zac Stanley On Sep 15, 11:39 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of which, anyone see this new Cyclofiend Working Bike entry: http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wb112-cooperdragonette0909.html Not sure if Cooper visits the board here. If so, along with saying what a great bike this turned out to be, I want to point out that the 'Brooks style saddle appears to be a very nice Ideale and as such probably has collectible value. On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and some bidders probably think so: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230374249630ssPag... (I was one of those bidders and wouldn't go that high. Maybe I would have if I didn't have stout bikes already. But that is a really nice frame.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Sorry, thanks to Marty for linking to us. On Sep 15, 11:39 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of which, anyone see this new Cyclofiend Working Bike entry: http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wb112-cooperdragonette0909.html Not sure if Cooper visits the board here. If so, along with saying what a great bike this turned out to be, I want to point out that the 'Brooks style saddle appears to be a very nice Ideale and as such probably has collectible value. On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and some bidders probably think so: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230374249630ssPag... (I was one of those bidders and wouldn't go that high. Maybe I would have if I didn't have stout bikes already. But that is a really nice frame.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeams on Ebay
With Riv selling a 65cm QB frame and fork for $1100, the one at the start of this string sounds like a steal at $699. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/frame_specials#product=50-272 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
on 9/14/09 11:36 PM, JL at subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have
been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would
think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in
assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved
handling. I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all
like their geometry (in one way or another) How do the two compare?
If you are going to pursue this, I'd pay careful attention to angles and
measurements. There was considerable variation in spec's on early mtb's and
much changing from year to year. It also varied by coast as well. A number
of east coast builders (Chris Chance, for example) tended towards shorter
wheelbase and higher bb's, as they wanted root clearance and tight quarters
maneuverablility.
Stuff from '83 varied tremendously from '87, and the same to '91. My
Montare ('83) has 44 chainstays (and I've never measured the bb drop - will
do when it's built back up) and had the long wheelbase of the first
Breezer/Schwinn Excelsior SF Bay Area era. But, the builders were certainly
all paying attention to the others, and ideas (chainstay mounted u-brakes,
for example) tended to catch fire and then die.
I rode the Montare as my mtb into the mid-90's and it still handled rutty,
steep descents easier than a plush cadillac on a smooth highway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2474020800
For those folks interested in a broader discussion of early mtb's, there's a
Vintage ATB list (search VATB on yahoo groups) run by First Flight Bikes -
http://www.firstflightbikes.com
http://mombat.org/
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[RBW] San Francisco Randonneurs 2009 Fall Populaire
For those in the SF Bay Area... The San Francisco Randonneurs would like to invite you to participate in our first ever Fall Populaire, to be held on October 3rd, 2009. This is a free event. More info registration at http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall_2009_115k_populaire.htm Thanks! -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
I had an '85 Stumpy Sport that I built up into an all-rounder: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/146591937/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/251981201/ The one time I actually rode it off road (fire roads, 2nd photo) it was kinda fun, but it made a pretty poor city bike IMHO. It was quite heavy, and the slack angles made for EXTREMELY twitchy slow-speed handling with lots of wheel flop. I'd intended it as a bike for my wife, but those issues were deal-breakers for her, so this one didn't make the cut. -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Here is my 87 Bianchi Grizzly. I bought it on craigslist from a guy who had been hanging it in his garage for over 20 years. My guess about 20 miles on it. http://picasaweb.google.com/ken.mattina/BianchiSuperGrizzly# On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Jim G yoj...@gmail.com wrote: I had an '85 Stumpy Sport that I built up into an all-rounder: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/146591937/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/251981201/ The one time I actually rode it off road (fire roads, 2nd photo) it was kinda fun, but it made a pretty poor city bike IMHO. It was quite heavy, and the slack angles made for EXTREMELY twitchy slow-speed handling with lots of wheel flop. I'd intended it as a bike for my wife, but those issues were deal-breakers for her, so this one didn't make the cut. -Jim G -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire size and bike fit
Dave, It's great to here that Riv is so understanding when dealing with their customers, not very common now days, but it is things like this that make their business special. I would definitely pay for shipping of the frames if I have to changes sizes. In hind sight I should have been a little more clear on my intentions for the bike when I was ordering it, live and learn. I have no preference with regards to 26 vs 700c wheels, I just want the bike to fit properly with larger size tires. I will given Keven a call the first chance I get. Thanks for the information. Shawn On Sep 15, 10:44 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Greenway: Email Keven at Riv. Confess your lust for big tires. He will steer you to the path righteousness on frame size. Even if you were to build up your frame completely (as I did) and find that it is the wrong size for you (I did), Riv will let you exchange the frame (I did x 2!!). Just be completely straight with them about your concerns and they'll stand by their advice to you. Your decision might seem kind of critical because you are deciding between two frame sizes that require different wheels, but it's pretty easy to borrow wheels and test them out without building up the bike. Keven, or somebody at RBW, will be able to tell exactly how much the tire size changes the standover height. Rest assured that Grant and his crew are used to dealing with customers who waffle a bit about their bikes. The have proven to me that they will go to extraordinary lengths to assure that you are happy with your purchase. If you do decide to exchange frames, do offer to pay shipping for the new frame. It's the right thing to do and the simple gesture goes a long ways towards making the guys feel valued. For what it's worth, I am able to fit on Atlantis frames from 62 - 68. The 64cm frame that I have now is 2cm smaller than what Riv recommends for me and it fits me great because I have a really short torso. On Sep 15, 4:32 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: My PBH is 89cm (3.3cm more) and I ride a 64cm Atlantis (6cm more). With 37mm Paselas I don't find the stand over height to be a problem, I wouldn't think that 50 or 60mm tires would make a huge difference on your Atlantis. Angus On Sep 15, 2:17 am, Greenwayrider sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: As I have posted before I just purchased a 58cm Atlantis frame and will be building it up in the next few months. Just a side note, I haven't seen the frame yet because I am in Africa until sometime in Oct, it is still the box in my garage. Anyway I bought the Atlantis to be my big tire bike, and I was wondering how might putting 50mm or 60mm tires on the bike change the fit. I am a little concerned about the stand over height with such large tires on the bike. My PBH is 85.7. The question is, should I have bought the 56cm instead or will the 58cm still fit with big tires? One last thing I didn't tell the guys at RBW that I was planning on running such large tires when I ordered the frame. Thanks in advance for any advice given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
Did a 200k here on Protovelo with Albatross bars. Fully half the ride was dirt roads. Alot of climbing. The bars are great. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: d2mini d2creat...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:45:51 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [RBW] How far with Albatross bars? My moustache bars were not all that comfortable for me so I thought I'd try me some Albatross bars on the AHH to get my hands higher and closer to me. I expected to be considerably slower sitting that upright. I did feel a bit awkward at first, riding a bike in that position, but to my surprise I was no slower. On this morning's commute I was puttin along at an easy 17mph which would be my normal speed pre-albatross. So yay! So this weekend which was my first ride with them I did 25 miles. Not a long ride, but plenty long enough to know if a certain type of handlebar is going to work or not. I found them very comfortable the entire ride. Most of the time my hands were in the customary position on the grips, but once in a while I'd grab the forward bend for a bit more aero (if you can call it that) position and that wasn't bad either. Now I had always heard that Albatross bars weren't a great choice for anything over 20 miles, but i felt like I could have gone quite a bit further and been perfectly comfortable. So those of you with these kinds of bars (north road, albatross, etc) how far have you found that you've been able to travel with them before you were wishing you had something else? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: From full suspension to Bombadil??
I ride trails, including single track, but not too knarly, with my six year old daughter on the back of a Bike Friday Family Tandem. Not a Riv, but it is rigid. I upgraded the brakes, changed to BMX knobbly tires and lowered the gearing to make it more mountain worthy. We have a blast on that, routinely outrunning my wife on her full suspension bike. My daughter just giggles going over the bumps and shouts out Daddy, don't brake! When we showed up at a mountain bike charity ride I did get some strange looks from other riders, and even a suscipious comment or two. but we finished in the middle of the pack and took second prize for the money we raised (cuteness certainly helped in that area!). We've been riding since she was less than four years old. The tandem is very flexible in its sizing, and also the flex from the frame and the longer wheelbase does make it smoother on the trails. Tight corners have to be walked though. Highly recommended father daughter activity! On Sep 15, 12:00 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: When my, now 6 year-old, daughter was 3 I taught her to say Allez Allez when I took her for a ride in the trailer. Funny those rides reminded me that riding just for the heck of it was a kick and I didn't miss not having a HRM, clipless pedals and a ride goal. Then I discovered the Riv website. Now I have a new budget steel ride that I rivenated, my faithful R800 waits for the occasional go fast group ride, and I am saving my pennies for a cool Orange Sam or maybe a very nice used Bleriot. Jinxed you are on the right trail, so to speak, ride-enjoy-smile Good luck with the move to a rigid MTB On Sep 14, 1:24 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean this entirely positively - but the above sounds like advertisement for rivendell: When it is time to be an adult, talk to rivendell, they have the bike for you :) good luck on the decision on the bombadil. -sv Taken as such! BUT the funny thing is, I am now back to riding just for fun like a kid. I know for me, a lot of where I was regarding my bikes was because I'm in the industry. I was wrenching bikes for the teams we sponsored. Then I was riding with them, then training, then all of a sudden you're wrapped up in this lifestyle and you forget all about the fun of just riding. You have the latest greatest because you can, and you love it cuz you sell it. Luckily, my little one has brought much of the perspective back. She just squeals with we every little downhill, now I dig it too. I no longer care how far or fast and don't keep track of how often. Having a rack now, I pack up my sketch book and go meander someplace. Take a lunch, all that. It does sound cliche in Riv context, but I sure am happy to feel good about cycling again. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Saddles
Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Thanks all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Get a cheap wtb saddle - maybe an sst or a rocket-v or something like that. pop it on for a few weeks - see if the knot is smaller or larger. It is possible it's not the saddle but something else you got away from when you went hiking. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
Those of you who have this style bar, at what height is the grip area of the bar in relation to the saddle? Mine's not sitting here but I believe the grips are just a hair above the saddle. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: new hillborne pics
I too like the bike and the set up. After fiddling with a range of commuter baggage combinations, I'll have the wald in front / medium sackville in back as my standard rig. Nice work on the fenders too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] MUSA rain paints
Rivendell is apparently ticking down my wish list. I asked for wool briefs, and they were provided. Requested rain pants, and here you go: http://www.rivbike.com/#product=22-156 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA rain paints
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Rivendell is apparently ticking down my wish list. I asked for wool briefs, and they were provided. Requested rain pants, and here you go: http://www.rivbike.com/#product=22-156 but I like the khaki color the demo pants are in. A shame they'll be orange! :) Now, a nice khaki pair of the normal musa pants that might be interesting. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tandems?
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 18:17 -0500, John Stoesser wrote: Ditto...santana sweet comfy ride. FWIW I ride a '85 TREK720 And since the Trek 520 was invoked as a point of comparison, the tandem in question should be a competent touring bike (as is the 520). All Arrivas are touring tandems, regardless of the year. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA rain paints
Yeah, I like the khaki too. I'm not ashamed to admit to falling for their widespread appeal. Orange is such a variable color, could come out safety-conscious yet spiffy too. On Sep 15, 5:13 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Rivendell is apparently ticking down my wish list. I asked for wool briefs, and they were provided. Requested rain pants, and here you go: http://www.rivbike.com/#product=22-156 but I like the khaki color the demo pants are in. A shame they'll be orange! :) Now, a nice khaki pair of the normal musa pants that might be interesting. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA rain paints
+1 for khaki! On Sep 15, 2:13 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Rivendell is apparently ticking down my wish list. I asked for wool briefs, and they were provided. Requested rain pants, and here you go: http://www.rivbike.com/#product=22-156 but I like the khaki color the demo pants are in. A shame they'll be orange! :) Now, a nice khaki pair of the normal musa pants that might be interesting. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet rep also said he will direct to the consumer. On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Thanks all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
Mine are a little above the saddle height as well. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1994%20Bridgestone%20XO-3/Full-2.jpg?t=1253054333 On Sep 15, 4:49 pm, d2mini d2creat...@gmail.com wrote: Those of you who have this style bar, at what height is the grip area of the bar in relation to the saddle? Mine's not sitting here but I believe the grips are just a hair above the saddle. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
Might have to hunt mine down and try it again. Bought one 20 years ago and never got used to it. Guess I've always been more a Swiss Army type. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 15, 10:02�am, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I've become a fan of Opinel Knives: http://www.opiknife.com Wooden-handled pocket knives, made in France (I know, I know, the carbon footprint...) and available in several sizes. I found my first one years ago, in the saddlebag of an old bike abandoned at our shop. I had it sharpened at my local knife store, and it lives in my tool box as an excellent utility knife. I purchsed a second one that I carry in my pocket. No. 7 and 8 are good pocket sizes, though smaller and larger versions are available. It's a basic, utilitarian and very smart design. And rather affordable; my newer No. 8 with a steel blade cost me about 12 bucks. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA rain paints
you could get an orange sam to match your new orange pants. hmm orange rain pants? On Sep 15, 2:24 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for khaki! On Sep 15, 2:13 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Rivendell is apparently ticking down my wish list. I asked for wool briefs, and they were provided. Requested rain pants, and here you go: http://www.rivbike.com/#product=22-156 but I like the khaki color the demo pants are in. A shame they'll be orange! :) Now, a nice khaki pair of the normal musa pants that might be interesting. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
have you done micro adjusting of b17 angle and setback. they are subtle sun a guns and seems sometime a milli here or there can change a lot with that old clunker of a saddle. On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote: This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet rep also said he will direct to the consumer. On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Thanks all.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
Hennessy Hammocks have changed my interest in sleeping outside overnight. They are also very committed to the environment. http://hennessyhammock.com/ Michael Rivers Washington, DC --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
One way to look at it. After a year (or sometimes two) the
Stumpjumper geometry would trickle down to the Sport, then
Rockhopper, then Hardrock. My circa 1991 Hardrock is pretty close to
a 1989 or 1990 Rockhopper. Of course, my Hardrock is totally re-done
so it is comparing apples to oranges.
All this is funny as from 1984 to 1986 I rode a mountain bike as an
all rounder when commuting to college. Really was the best way to
deal with snow and ice in winter. Once rode in a blizzard that
basically shut down the Twin Cities. The few folks that were out
usually had say something about seeing a guy in a parka riding a bike
in that weather. (Yes, most were of the you're a nut variety).
Of course, could argue that my Atlantis is set up like an ultimate old
mountain bike. Good for anything.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Sep 15, 2:13�pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
on 9/14/09 11:36 PM, JL at subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
To bring this back around to Riv content: there is something I have
been wondering. Don't these older MTB's, have high BBs? One would
think that would adversely effect loaded handling. I am wrong in
assuming that? Riv touts the benefits of a low BB for improved
handling. �I don't expect old mtbs to be Rivendells but I know we all
like their geometry (in one way or another) �How do the two compare?
If you are going to pursue this, I'd pay careful attention to angles and
measurements. There was considerable variation in spec's on early mtb's and
much changing from year to year. It also varied by coast as well. �A number
of east coast builders (Chris Chance, for example) tended towards shorter
wheelbase and higher bb's, as they wanted root clearance and tight quarters
maneuverablility. �
Stuff from '83 varied tremendously from '87, and the same to '91. �My
Montare ('83) has 44 chainstays (and I've never measured the bb drop - will
do when it's built back up) and had the long wheelbase of the first
Breezer/Schwinn Excelsior SF Bay Area era. �But, the builders were certainly
all paying attention to the others, and ideas (chainstay mounted u-brakes,
for example) tended to catch fire and then die.
I rode the Montare as my mtb into the mid-90's and it still handled rutty,
steep descents easier than a plush cadillac on a smooth highway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2474020800
For those folks interested in a broader discussion of early mtb's, there's a
Vintage ATB list (search VATB on yahoo groups) run by First Flight Bikes -
http://www.firstflightbikes.com
http://mombat.org/
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[RBW] Re: Saddles
+1. The cheap WTB saddles are pretty nice. And for you, it would be an inexpensive way to make sure the Broos isn't causing the issue. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 15, 3:41�pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the �right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Get a cheap wtb saddle - maybe an sst or a rocket-v or something like that. pop it on for a few weeks - see if the knot is smaller or larger. It is possible it's not the saddle but something else you got away from when you went hiking. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
I've done several 40+ rides and never felt that I wanted something else. Lot's of hand postions. Occasionally I've wondered what drops would feel like on the QB, but I don't feel like the Albatross bars are a hindrance to riding longer distances. They are set a little above saddle height. As Dave N. said great bars. alford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
on 9/15/09 1:35 PM, avillage at avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. With all of the Brooks saddles I've used, I find that after a short period of time, I need to readjust the tilt. The shape of the saddle will change over time, and sometimes that means more pressure from different areas of the saddle. Typically, once I readjust - normally a few mm's of tilting the nose down - there isn't an issue. But, they are organic material, and as such subject to changes over time, as opposed to a plastic formed shell, which normally won't ever change. hope that helps, but if it doesn't I wouldn't hesistate to try different saddles, shorts, and changing regimen at work. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines There were messengers who named their bikes, but Chevette never would have done that, and somehow because she did think about it like it was something alive. William Gibson - Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
Classic Shaving - great shaving supplies for a retrogrouch shave http://bit.ly/HsG9M --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
As far as other Riv-ish companies, it would be hard to say. I just recently ordered the Wiggy sleeping bag and when I got the bill, Rivendell had given me a credit, even though I believe my membership had lapsed. I'd be hard put to think of a company that would do that. From what I can tell they could have charged me full price, but in the end I basically paid shipping. They didn't have to do that. But it was a decent thing to do and they'll continue to have my custom. As far as companies that make great things, well this thread has plenty of them, but I wonder how many have the same level of customer service that Rivendell has? alford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tandems?
Talk to Larry Black at College Park Cycles / Mt Airy Cycles. In addition to a vast collection of old classic steel, (a few of which he bought from me years ago) he runs a tandem and recumbent-oriented shop, and has probably sold more of them than anyone ever. Upright, recumbent, twos, threes, fours, fives, you name it he has it. How many shops do you know that have 50+ new and a bunch more used tandems in stock! I believe he sold Rivendell bikes at one point, but it's been a while since I've been to one of his shops. http://www.bike123.com/ Marty On Sep 15, 5:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 18:17 -0500, John Stoesser wrote: Ditto...santana sweet comfy ride. FWIW I ride a '85 TREK720 And since the Trek 520 was invoked as a point of comparison, the tandem in question should be a competent touring bike (as is the 520). All Arrivas are touring tandems, regardless of the year. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
i ran the abars upside down, as suggested by some on this forum, and thought they were awesome. what i really liked was how much more comfortable it was gripping the curves with the bars sloping outward down. what i didn't like was how much the barends hit my knees with the bar that much lower. could probably just raise the stem, but that would steal my more aero positioning. maybe thumbshifters? saw somebody's cool thumbshifter positioning on abars along the curved parts. that'd be different... cheers, colin cummings amarillo, tx On Sep 15, 7:18 pm, alford jalfor...@gmail.com wrote: I've done several 40+ rides and never felt that I wanted something else. Lot's of hand postions. Occasionally I've wondered what drops would feel like on the QB, but I don't feel like the Albatross bars are a hindrance to riding longer distances. They are set a little above saddle height. As Dave N. said great bars. alford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
I have had great luck with Terry saddles. I have used a Liberator, a Fly and a Fly Tri gel, all with great results. YMMV. Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
I haven't adjusted the saddle since the initial break-in period...you know, ride a while, adjust a bit, ride some more, repeat, try to hit the sweet spot. Haven't thought that another adjustment might be necessary. Makes sense, though. Reading that Avocet might produce again...well, I have hope for the future if the B-17 doesn't fly. On Sep 15, 7:55 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: have you done micro adjusting of b17 angle and setback. they are subtle sun a guns and seems sometime a milli here or there can change a lot with that old clunker of a saddle. On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote: This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet rep also said he will direct to the consumer. On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote: Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job. Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle, nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then, recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle. Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem. Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the finding the right saddle is a function of how does it compare to the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other saddle ideas. Thanks all.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
I have a B-17 and two Selle Anatomica's. The SA's beat the Brooks hands down. And they're waterproof. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote: This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be available next Spring. If the saddles become available, the Avocet rep also said he will direct to the consumer. I use to love Avocet products, especially their O2 saddles and the old Japanese-made Road 20 and 30 tires. BUT, I would take that rep's might be available with a grain of salt. I called in 2007 asking about saddles and it was suppose to be available in *Spring 2008.* I wouldn't hold my breath. Note, Avocet use to be one of the most innovative companies in the business. Besides saddles and tires, their cyclocomputers use to be one of the best. They also had other stuff like cranks, hubs and other hardware too. I understand there was a change of ownership a few years back, but who ever is running the ship is doing a very poor job. For example, they never figured out how to sell through wholesale distributors like QBP. Thus, shops would have to order direct, usually in large amounts. Shops found this practice inconvenient and bought other products. End result, the company's impractical and unfriendly marketing is one of the reasons it is dying, if not dead. Too bad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] wool jerseys
The subject of rivendell jerseys came up last week and this week I saw these: http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/page/page/2010300.htm my questions are: 1. has anyone worked with them before? 2. Are they any good? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How far with Albatross bars?
I have my Albatross bars mounted upside down and I use cork grips. My grips are about an inch higher than my saddle and I use a VO #8 sprung saddle. So far I like this combo better than the mustache bars I had on before but I am not sure if I like them better than the noodle bar and B17. I do like mustache bars and their braking position in traffic. I use downtube shifters so I have no issues with knee strike from my Silver shifters. I like bar enders for riding but they always jab me when I stop. I may end up with a hub gear bike of lighter configuration ultimately. My favorite bike as far as comfort oddly is a two speed 27 wheeled deraileurless bike with narrow randonneur drop bars and a super hard B17. The bars are 1 inch higher than the saddle. This bike just seems to fit me well and I've tired to duplicate the position on other frames without much luck. If I have a bike frame built someday I'd like to duplicate it. The fact that it weighs 21 pounds and has 32mm tires at 90 psi on the largest wheel out there might have something to do with its performance but the bike just rides nice. Finding a bar/saddle combo that works and is comfortable can be a challenge. On Sep 15, 6:27 pm, cpatrickcummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: i ran the abars upside down, as suggested by some on this forum, and thought they were awesome. what i really liked was how much more comfortable it was gripping the curves with the bars sloping outward down. what i didn't like was how much the barends hit my knees with the bar that much lower. could probably just raise the stem, but that would steal my more aero positioning. maybe thumbshifters? saw somebody's cool thumbshifter positioning on abars along the curved parts. that'd be different... cheers, colin cummings amarillo, tx On Sep 15, 7:18 pm, alford jalfor...@gmail.com wrote: I've done several 40+ rides and never felt that I wanted something else. Lot's of hand postions. Occasionally I've wondered what drops would feel like on the QB, but I don't feel like the Albatross bars are a hindrance to riding longer distances. They are set a little above saddle height. As Dave N. said great bars. alford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Other Riv-ish companies of interest to us all
You wouldn't have happened to leave it in a saddle bag, would you? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM, tdusky tdu...@comcast.net wrote: Opinel knives are the best! I bought 2 while in france 26 fears ago. I lost one after 10 years, and have been carrying the other one for the past 16. Great quality high carbon steel that holds an edge, lightweight and a locking blade. Great for cutting fruit, scraping paint and picking your fingernails. I have often thought of sending one to Grant as a present, if I did I am sure he would sell them. Tom Dusky #6 On Sep 15, 11:02 am, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I've become a fan of Opinel Knives: http://www.opiknife.com Wooden-handled pocket knives, made in France (I know, I know, the carbon footprint...) and available in several sizes. I found my first one years ago, in the saddlebag of an old bike abandoned at our shop. I had it sharpened at my local knife store, and it lives in my tool box as an excellent utility knife. I purchsed a second one that I carry in my pocket. No. 7 and 8 are good pocket sizes, though smaller and larger versions are available. It's a basic, utilitarian and very smart design. And rather affordable; my newer No. 8 with a steel blade cost me about 12 bucks. Beth -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: They say Old Stumpjumpers can make good All-rounders...
Great job, Zac! On Sep 15, 2:04 pm, Zac zac.stan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi- Yeah, I'm an admin for the Nub City Wheelsters, MTB converted to touring rig group. My pal Jake converted his old Rockhopper to a loaded touring rig last summer and this group was born out of his experience. Thanks to Jim T. for linking to us. Come one come all! Here's my stumpy, or Nubster as we refer to them. http://www.flickr.com/photos/garycaribou/3019651239/in/pool-1058...@n23 Cheers, Zac Stanley On Sep 15, 11:39 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of which, anyone see this new Cyclofiend Working Bike entry: http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wb112-cooperdragonette0909.html Not sure if Cooper visits the board here. If so, along with saying what a great bike this turned out to be, I want to point out that the 'Brooks style saddle appears to be a very nice Ideale and as such probably has collectible value. On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and some bidders probably think so: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230374249630ssPag... (I was one of those bidders and wouldn't go that high. Maybe I would have if I didn't have stout bikes already. But that is a really nice frame.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
Howdy, Ronni. Is it me or do folks have bikes in odd numbers? Lots of sevens and fives. Here's a noble attempt at the quiver of five: http://www.symphonic-net.com/france1961/my%20bicycle.html On Sep 13, 11:55 pm, redlinero...@aol.com wrote: I have been lurking for a few years...I'm a woman...I own 7 bikes.I think about bikes and parts more than is normal Im sure. Just thought I'd chime in.Thanks for all you folks have taught me. ? Sorry I don't know how to cut the fat off the email.Happy wrenching! Ronni -Original Message- From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31 pm Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder. Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: I wonder what we'd find if this question were answered by women. None have responded thusfar to this thread. ARE there any female members of this group?? cut ? As I consider my female bicycling buddies, students and acquaintences, I realize that none of them have more than two bikes and that most have just one. Do women think the all-rounder is a myth? ?I have to wonder whether they even care. DC -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Hi Seth, I bought one of their wool cycling jackets--full zip, no rear pockets--for cold weather riding; I don't see these on their website any longer. The customer service was excellent and the order was shipped and received very promptly. At some point after I'd placed my order and before they'd shipped the order, they lowered the price on the jacket and reimbursed me the difference. The quality of the jacket is very good, the fit is true to size, and its looks prompt compliments from strangers, including non-cyclists. I've worn it for about 800 miles in varied weather and it is wearing well; no signs of fatigue yet! I also purchased a pair of their messenger knicks and I like them quite a lot, though I did modify them by cutting out the inner short to which the chamois is stitched. I fully expect that I'll do business with them again. Best, lyle On Sep 15, 7:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: The subject of rivendell jerseys came up last week and this week I saw these: http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/page/page/2010300.htm my questions are: 1. has anyone worked with them before? 2. Are they any good? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
