[RBW] Re: TYRES?
Jason, I have 32, 35 and 37mm Pasaelas on three Rivendells. My 32s measure about 30 as R Gonet stated. My 35s measure 35 and work much better than the 32s off road. I would recommend trying a 35mm Paselas, they work well on non-paved surfaces and seem to roll well on- road too. Angus On Oct 6, 12:15 pm, jason jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I recently purchased a new 56 Sam Hillborne and selected 32mm Pasela Tourguards when the bike was being built. After riding the thing almost daily for the past month and doing just a tiny bit of trail riding while out, I believe that I should've listened the folks at Riv and purchased the 35mm's...and actually maybe another type of tire altogether. But..I do have another bike that is in need of some 32mm tires, so these will go to that bike...My question is this...are the Jack Brown BLUES (The slightly heavier duty ones) at 33.3mm robust enough for riding on hard packed earth and cinder for an extended period of time...I think they are beautiful tires, but I'm not sure if they have enough traction on loose gravel..dirt, etc. Of course, I know nothing about the physics of tires on the road/dirt, so maybe they are just fine. Otherwise I'm looking at the regular straight up Schwalbe Marathons, but from what the Riv site says, they are more geared for touring on roads, than on trails. Like I said, I wont be on trails too much, but it is coming up a bit in my rides and I've recently learned of some great trail rides around the city that I'd be into checking out. Not looking for an aggressive off road tire, just a general all around do everything tire that fits my sam with fenders... (currently have the VO 48mm flutted, but I've had a few issues with them already (all stuff that is my fault), so I'm thinking of replacing with the 45mm VO stainless steel...I know they are heavy, but thats OK) Any advice would be great --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
Kookaburra from Riv. Best stuff ever, the lanolin keeps the wool soft and it
doesn't smell too bad.
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:
From: David Faller dfal...@charter.net
Subject: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:35 AM
#yiv1705560116 .hmmessage P {
PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;}
#yiv1705560116 {
FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;}
Seems to me you're related to someone who knows more about this than us
knuckleheads. Listen to your expert!
Dave
- Original Message -
From: Larry Powers
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
It's an amazing day. I just found my old Woolrich wool knickers. I think
these are early to mid 80's, so well over 20 years old. I bought them when
they were discontinued and only used them a couple of times before my middle
aged spread rendered them unwearable. I tired them on today and they fit
again.
I would like to clean them. They are 85% wool and 15% nylon and say dry clean
only. My daughter says wash them by soaking in the tub with her super special
wool cleaner (she weaves and knits and only works with wool). I wash all my
riding clothes including my Wooly Warms on the delicate cycle in my front
loading machine using Ivory Snow. Of course all washing is in cold water.
Any opinions on the best approach?
Wool Rules.
Larry Powers
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
I've ridden Ruffy Tuffys, Pasela's (32s and 35s), Schwalbe Marathons, Jack Browns, and T-serves (35s) on my two Rivendells. At one time or another I've ridden each tire on the dirt. The Schwalbe Marathons (700x41) were the best for dirt and rolled pretty well on the pavement. What I'd recommend to you would be to try 700x35 Panaracer T- serves. I think you'll see a noticeable difference between them and the 32's you've been riding. Like another poster mentioned, the T- serves are similar to the Paselas but are sturdier. I have them on my Hilsen right now and love them. I imagine at some point I'll go back to Jack Browns. I doubt I'll go back to Paselas, too many issues with the sidewalls. I may also try some Marathon Supremes. In fact I may pick up those soon and put the t-serves on my commuter as it needs new tires. --mike On Oct 7, 2:48 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Jason, I have 32, 35 and 37mm Pasaelas on three Rivendells. My 32s measure about 30 as R Gonet stated. My 35s measure 35 and work much better than the 32s off road. I would recommend trying a 35mm Paselas, they work well on non-paved surfaces and seem to roll well on- road too. Angus On Oct 6, 12:15 pm, jason jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I recently purchased a new 56 Sam Hillborne and selected 32mm Pasela Tourguards when the bike was being built. After riding the thing almost daily for the past month and doing just a tiny bit of trail riding while out, I believe that I should've listened the folks at Riv and purchased the 35mm's...and actually maybe another type of tire altogether. But..I do have another bike that is in need of some 32mm tires, so these will go to that bike...My question is this...are the Jack Brown BLUES (The slightly heavier duty ones) at 33.3mm robust enough for riding on hard packed earth and cinder for an extended period of time...I think they are beautiful tires, but I'm not sure if they have enough traction on loose gravel..dirt, etc. Of course, I know nothing about the physics of tires on the road/dirt, so maybe they are just fine. Otherwise I'm looking at the regular straight up Schwalbe Marathons, but from what the Riv site says, they are more geared for touring on roads, than on trails. Like I said, I wont be on trails too much, but it is coming up a bit in my rides and I've recently learned of some great trail rides around the city that I'd be into checking out. Not looking for an aggressive off road tire, just a general all around do everything tire that fits my sam with fenders... (currently have the VO 48mm flutted, but I've had a few issues with them already (all stuff that is my fault), so I'm thinking of replacing with the 45mm VO stainless steel...I know they are heavy, but thats OK) Any advice would be great --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] hillborne green
has anyone found a good hillborne green touch up paint? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Yet another fender question...
I ended up going with Berthouds (50s). I was able to get them from a local shop, pre-drilled, and was familiar with the installation process from previously putting a pair on my Rambouillet. They went on fine and look great. I do need to clean up the stays a bit where I cut them. One thing I noticed was that you want to make sure that you have a bit of space between the fender and the brake so that the brake can open up all the way. That's with Silver/Tektro brakes. After I put them on I noticed my front brake wasn't letting me put my wheel in with the tire inflated. It took a minute to realize what was going on. I added a second rubber washer to the fork daruma and that seemed to fix it. I might still add another. With the 50s I'd say you wouldn't want to go any larger than a 700x35 tire. Here's a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3989554701/in/photostream/ --mike On Oct 2, 12:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: But VO doesn't offer their own hammered model... yet. On Oct 2, 11:49 am, Z xodus48...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, VO-branded and sourced versions of the Honjo style, likely will cost less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cycle North Carolina on a Quickbeam
No pushing but I did not set any land speed records on day 2 either :-) On Oct 6, 12:37 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Yes sounds like a great trip. The QB is a great touring bike if you know the route and plan your gearing appropriately. I have an emergency 22t freewheel on the flip side of my hub for really steep stuff, but I still had to push on my last trip. Did you have to resort to that anywhere? On Oct 5, 11:55 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Nice job. Sounds like loads 'o fun. On Oct 5, 6:46 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick update on my trip across NC that I posted a QB question about earlier. I rode the entire state on 32/40x16/18. The first two days, I rode 32x18 but on the first day on the Blue Ridge Parkway, I think I probably could have ridden the 40x18 since most of that day was straightforward minimal grade climbing. I spun out badly on the downhills till I figured out that coasting was the best option. Day Two was very steep but short climbs and definitely needed the 32x18 combo. Middle three days, I used the 40x18 and the last two I went to 40x16. On the whole, it worked well. I could climb with most people but lost out on the downhills. I completed the entire ride including the century in reasonable time (for me) and while not even close to the front of the pack, I maintained about a 14mph average. I used the Acorn Roll bag in the back and the Acorn Rando bag in the front. I really liked the Rando bag. It could easily hold two jackets/ warmers, tube, some tools, some food, a camera and a phone with room to spare. It was very easy to mount and all the pockets were very easy to get to. I cannot comment on the Roll bag since I had no mechanical problems. I got a lot of positive comments on both bags. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
On Oct 6, 10:29 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: So, if the only variable you're comparing is width, the difference between 30 and 33.3 is significant. significant? really? what is significantly different about the jack brown and 32 pasela? just curious. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
Lanolin is bad, or so I'm told. At the Taos, NM Wool festival, I asked several weavers how they keep moths and beetles from nibbling their fancy woolies and they said the key was multiple, thorough washings to remove the lanolin. Apparently the bugs are attracted to the lanolin rather than the wool fibers themselves. They also like human body oils and sweat, so it's important to keep wool clothing clean. For this reason I wash my wool jerseys after each ride. I've used Ecover delicate wash for years with good results, even on stuff labeled dry-clean only Cheers, Ryan On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:07, Ron Farnsworth r2far...@yahoo.com wrote: Kookaburra from Riv. Best stuff ever, the lanolin keeps the wool soft and it doesn't smell too bad. --- On Wed, 10/7/09, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: From: David Faller dfal...@charter.net Subject: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:35 AM Seems to me you're related to someone who knows more about this than us knuckleheads. Listen to your expert! Dave - Original Message - From: Larry Powers To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: [RBW] Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers It's an amazing day. I just found my old Woolrich wool knickers. I think these are early to mid 80's, so well over 20 years old. I bought them when they were discontinued and only used them a couple of times before my middle aged spread rendered them unwearable. I tired them on today and they fit again. I would like to clean them. They are 85% wool and 15% nylon and say dry clean only. My daughter says wash them by soaking in the tub with her super special wool cleaner (she weaves and knits and only works with wool). I wash all my riding clothes including my Wooly Warms on the delicate cycle in my front loading machine using Ivory Snow. Of course all washing is in cold water. Any opinions on the best approach? Wool Rules. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
If gravel riding is a priority, or even if it isn't, I would suggest the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme in 700x40. The Jack Brown blues are very tough, but may not be much different than the 32 mm paselas. On Oct 6, 12:15 pm, jason jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I recently purchased a new 56 Sam Hillborne and selected 32mm Pasela Tourguards when the bike was being built. After riding the thing almost daily for the past month and doing just a tiny bit of trail riding while out, I believe that I should've listened the folks at Riv and purchased the 35mm's...and actually maybe another type of tire altogether. But..I do have another bike that is in need of some 32mm tires, so these will go to that bike...My question is this...are the Jack Brown BLUES (The slightly heavier duty ones) at 33.3mm robust enough for riding on hard packed earth and cinder for an extended period of time...I think they are beautiful tires, but I'm not sure if they have enough traction on loose gravel..dirt, etc. Of course, I know nothing about the physics of tires on the road/dirt, so maybe they are just fine. Otherwise I'm looking at the regular straight up Schwalbe Marathons, but from what the Riv site says, they are more geared for touring on roads, than on trails. Like I said, I wont be on trails too much, but it is coming up a bit in my rides and I've recently learned of some great trail rides around the city that I'd be into checking out. Not looking for an aggressive off road tire, just a general all around do everything tire that fits my sam with fenders... (currently have the VO 48mm flutted, but I've had a few issues with them already (all stuff that is my fault), so I'm thinking of replacing with the 45mm VO stainless steel...I know they are heavy, but thats OK) Any advice would be great --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Yet another fender question...
Lovely lines, Mike. Hmm...thinking I might want to do something similar on mine. On Oct 7, 8:57 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ended up going with Berthouds (50s). I was able to get them from a local shop, pre-drilled, and was familiar with the installation process from previously putting a pair on my Rambouillet. They went on fine and look great. I do need to clean up the stays a bit where I cut them. One thing I noticed was that you want to make sure that you have a bit of space between the fender and the brake so that the brake can open up all the way. That's with Silver/Tektro brakes. After I put them on I noticed my front brake wasn't letting me put my wheel in with the tire inflated. It took a minute to realize what was going on. I added a second rubber washer to the fork daruma and that seemed to fix it. I might still add another. With the 50s I'd say you wouldn't want to go any larger than a 700x35 tire. Here's a picture:http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3989554701/in/photostream/ --mike On Oct 2, 12:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: But VO doesn't offer their own hammered model... yet. On Oct 2, 11:49 am, Z xodus48...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, VO-branded and sourced versions of the Honjo style, likely will cost less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Yet another fender question...
700x35 is not the upper limit for 700x50 fenders, but it depends on the bike. I have used the 700x50 Berthouds with 700x50 Big Apples on my Atlantis. Of course, there was some custom fitting involved... On Oct 7, 8:57 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ended up going with Berthouds (50s). I was able to get them from a local shop, pre-drilled, and was familiar with the installation process from previously putting a pair on my Rambouillet. They went on fine and look great. I do need to clean up the stays a bit where I cut them. One thing I noticed was that you want to make sure that you have a bit of space between the fender and the brake so that the brake can open up all the way. That's with Silver/Tektro brakes. After I put them on I noticed my front brake wasn't letting me put my wheel in with the tire inflated. It took a minute to realize what was going on. I added a second rubber washer to the fork daruma and that seemed to fix it. I might still add another. With the 50s I'd say you wouldn't want to go any larger than a 700x35 tire. Here's a picture:http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3989554701/in/photostream/ --mike On Oct 2, 12:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: But VO doesn't offer their own hammered model... yet. On Oct 2, 11:49 am, Z xodus48...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, VO-branded and sourced versions of the Honjo style, likely will cost less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Yet another fender question...
Thats what i did http://www.flickr.com/photos/40626...@n06/3990816112/sizes/l/in/photostream/ i also put a backwheel fender on the front wheel, technically it's fine altough i like the hammered fenders better. Gunnar On Oct 2, 3:50 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm thinking of putting metal fenders on my Hilsen. I have Berthouds on my Rambouillet and really like them. With my Hilsen I'm thinking of putting on some hammered Honjos (700x45). I won't be attaching the front fender to a rack and I'm wondering if it will vibrate a lot. Isn't this a problem with Honjos sometimes? It isn't an issue with my Berthouds but I think that's because they are steel as opposed to aluminum. I currently have SKS fenders with leather flaps on my Hilsen but they just aren't long enough in the front. I should mention that a coworker picked up an extra rear SKS fender, trimmed it and mounted on the front. It seems to be working well for him. I live in Portland and fenders are essential. This isn't entirely about bike fashion. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] news post about the Yen
I was reading the new post about the Yen at: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/159 and it made me ask: Is there any way that there are any american or canadian or mexican companies(NAFTA) could manufacture some of these components to the same level of quality? I know there are a largish number of independent frame builders out there. Can they produce enough consistency to bring the prices of the frames down to sub-2K ranges? What about stems? Is there no one besides nitto who can do it for what the nitto's cost? I'm not arguing against the nittos, I'm just asking if there is really no one who can do that kind of manufacturing. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: news post about the Yen
Regarding Nitto, I think it would be prohibitively costly for an American company to acquire the tooling necessary for forging stems, etc... Well, maybe prohibitive is not the right word-- what I mean is unattractive from a business standpoint. On the other hand, there ARE great companies right here in the U.S. who machine fine aluminum products, for example Super Rat Machine works: http://www.superratmachine.com/ Super Rat Machine Works was started by Phil Wasson, an insanely talented BMX rider once associated with the (also Made-in-USA) frame company called FBM. SRM makes very good parts. On Oct 7, 2:07 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was reading the new post about the Yen at:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/159 and it made me ask: Is there any way that there are any american or canadian or mexican companies(NAFTA) could manufacture some of these components to the same level of quality? I know there are a largish number of independent frame builders out there. Can they produce enough consistency to bring the prices of the frames down to sub-2K ranges? What about stems? Is there no one besides nitto who can do it for what the nitto's cost? I'm not arguing against the nittos, I'm just asking if there is really no one who can do that kind of manufacturing. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Sale of Viva bag support is pending. [Re: FS: Viva bag support (from Velo Orange)]
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] 650B FS, also a Nitto Periscopa stem
Okay, so it's not lugged but it is a 650B frame. It's also a mtn bike ... so a bit more off track For sale is an unridden Carver 650B Killer Bee Started to build this up but the top tube is too long for me. So here's your chance to snag a 650B-specific set up at a great price. Includes: Custom painted frame, seatpost clamp, custom painted Fox RLC fork and a Velocity Blunt / XT wheelset. $750 plus actual shipping. Plus at the $750 I'll include the Pacenti tires at no extra $. ETT is 23 BB height (with the Motos): 295 Steerer tube on front shock is 7.125 Has both disc and V mounts (posts are removable). Frame takes a 27.2 seatpost, 31.8 FD clamp and will clear up to a 2.5 tire. email for photos or with ?s. Nitto Periscopa stem $30 shipped Also have both 8 and 9-spd Shimano bar ends and brake levers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Children of Atlantis
(posted to RBW Owner's Bunch and Surly LHT CC groups... because for some odd reason not everyone reads both!) I drink Grant-flavored Kool Aid. I want an all-rounder on which to commute, run errands, go camping, tag along with casual road rides, do some short touring now and some long distance, unsupported and possibly adventure-style touring in the future. I want a bike that can be my only bike if I am ever so unfortunate (or committed to minimalism) as to wind up in such a state. After much wandering I have narrowed my choices down to two different quasi-descendants of the Atlantis: the Rivendell Bombadil and the Surly Long Haul The LHT is dead on the sweet spot for price vs quality that I usually shoot for. It's a bike that could do everything I want for many years to come. It is a bike I would enjoy owning. This would be my third and likely not my last Surly; I recently swapped a KM for a 1x1=11 and the Big Dummy and the Conundrum are just begging me to come up with excuses. The Bombadil just pushes all my buttons. Although there are a couple of Riv frames that I find 'prettier' I love the look, (And the AHH just isn't beefy enough if I want to take 200lbs of rider + XXlbs of gear down singletrack.) The Bullmoose bars make it even better. I've seen a couple of pictures of great paint jobs, but I'd take mine clear coated, it just fits. I even love the name and would likely occasionally be seen to hum the song while I rode. A Bombadil in my size would be 650b, and I'm still not 100% sold on that. I've got no problem with them technically, just concerned about what kind of variety of tires will continue to be available as I am fond of options (the choices available now are great...) Unique is a bonus in my book. The LHT isn't too common in the general cycling world, but it is common lately in the touring world (a good thing in my book, except if I'm on one!) Bombadil on the other hand is about as unique as you get short of full custom or re-purposing something non one else would think of riding long distances. Ah, but then there's that cost... 3x as much for the frame and unlikely to be built up nearly so economically as the LHT complete. Oh well. As you can tell, I've pretty well sold myself on the Bombadil. So why post this? Just to stir up some discussion, get some different perspectives. How much more would you pay for the bike you really wanted over the bike you knew would not only do the job, but even be enjoyable? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
Without lanolin, wool fibers get more dry, stiff, and scratchy than with
lanolin. They also don't shed water and sweat as well. Lanolin is one of the
reasons wool works well in wet weather and doesn't need laundering nearly as
often (I'm lazy) as most other farbics. It's part of the wool to start with and
washing it out seems a not so great idea to me. I have 30+ year old cycling
jerseys still in great shape, though I have mended a few holes over the years.
I'm not sure it was moths that caused them, so I'm sticking with the lanolin.
The weavers might be right, but I haven't seen moths to be that much of a
problem. You've got my curiosity up though, so now I'm off to see what more I
can find on the subject. Thanks!
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:
From: rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 11:09 AM
Lanolin is bad, or so I'm told.
At the Taos, NM Wool festival, I
asked several weavers how they keep
moths and beetles from nibbling their fancy
woolies and they said the key was multiple,
thorough washings to remove the lanolin.
Apparently the bugs are attracted to the
lanolin rather than the wool fibers themselves.
They also like human body oils and sweat, so it's
important to keep wool clothing clean.
For this reason I wash my wool jerseys after each ride.
I've used Ecover delicate wash for years with good results,
even on stuff labeled dry-clean only
Cheers,
Ryan
On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:07, Ron Farnsworth r2far...@yahoo.com wrote:
Kookaburra from Riv. Best stuff ever, the lanolin keeps the wool soft and it
doesn't smell too bad.
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:
From: David Faller dfal...@charter.net
Subject: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:35 AM
#yiv2143704041 #yiv1705560116 .hmmessage P {
PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;}
#yiv2143704041 #yiv1705560116 {
FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;}
Seems to me you're related to someone who knows more about this than us
knuckleheads. Listen to your expert!
Dave
- Original Message -
From: Larry Powers
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Slightly OT: Washing Wool Knickers
It's an amazing day. I just found my old Woolrich wool knickers. I think
these are early to mid 80's, so well over 20 years old. I bought them when
they were discontinued and only used them a couple of times before my middle
aged spread rendered them unwearable. I tired them on today and they fit
again.
I would like to clean them. They are 85% wool and 15% nylon and say dry clean
only. My daughter says wash them by soaking in the tub with her super special
wool cleaner (she weaves and knits and only works with wool). I wash all my
riding clothes including my Wooly Warms on the delicate cycle in my front
loading machine using Ivory Snow. Of course all washing is in cold water.
Any opinions on the best approach?
Wool Rules.
Larry Powers
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
I have a Bombadil, and I'm pretty sure it's the nicest bike ever made.Not just 'in my opinion', but really the nicest bike ever made. OK! I guess to each his own, but I love mine sooo much. It's a 650b version, although I fall right in between the largest 650b size (56cm) and the 700c size (60cm).I'm actually fixing to get another Bombadil, because I like it so much.I want to have one for dedicated mountain biking and one fully racked-out for touring and carrying stuff.The bike will do both and I'm pretty sure this frame will be around long after the apocalypse. Anyway, Bombadil features that I think are good: It has rack braze- ons on the fork for low-riders, plus two mounts on dropouts front+rear for fenders/racks. It has rack mounts on the fork crown so you can run a top-rack on the front. The fork bends have a decreasing radius right to the dropout. I'm not sure how much this adds to the shock-absorbing properties of the fork- all I can say is I barely feel the bumps.I'm have the Schwalbe Fatty 45mm tires on it so those help. I love the second top-tube. It adds (so I've read) 7 ounces of weight to the frame and untold strength, which means I can ride with relative abandon and the freedom to hop curbs at speed without worrying about the occasional nose-case (not the kind that sends you OTB of course, those I *do* worry about obviously).The Bombadil has an up-sloping top-tube so the bars are right where you need them: high.That means I can be on a 56cm frame and still have the bars above the saddle, without even using extra quill to get them there. As far as how it handles- it has a (relatively) slack HT angle and a large offset, which puts the front wheel, again, where it needs to be: way out in front.Any steering-slowness introduced by the slack HT must be counter-acted by the offset, because the bike actually feels very nimble.I have 46cm noodle bars on mine, which are plenty wide for riding offroad I think, although I might like to try the bullmoose bars that Rivendell sells as well.On the other hand, I feel like I know what the bullmooses will feel like since I also ride BMX, and those bars will essentially turn the Bombadil into a scaled-up BMX, which might not be good because then I'll forget I'm not on my BMX, and do something stupid. In summary, if you like fun, you can't afford *not* to get a Bombadil. I hope they sell a trillion of these things so that they never stop making them.I hope Bombadils become so profitable to sell that Exxon takes an interest and tries to buy Rivendell for 1 quadrillion dollars, but Rivendell says no, you guys suck and eventually takes over Exxon and fires all the executives*. *apologies if you are an executive at Exxon. not really. *of course it's my opinion, but still... On Oct 7, 6:32 pm, kent broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote: (posted to RBW Owner's Bunch and Surly LHT CC groups... because for some odd reason not everyone reads both!) I drink Grant-flavored Kool Aid. I want an all-rounder on which to commute, run errands, go camping, tag along with casual road rides, do some short touring now and some long distance, unsupported and possibly adventure-style touring in the future. I want a bike that can be my only bike if I am ever so unfortunate (or committed to minimalism) as to wind up in such a state. After much wandering I have narrowed my choices down to two different quasi-descendants of the Atlantis: the Rivendell Bombadil and the Surly Long Haul The LHT is dead on the sweet spot for price vs quality that I usually shoot for. It's a bike that could do everything I want for many years to come. It is a bike I would enjoy owning. This would be my third and likely not my last Surly; I recently swapped a KM for a 1x1=11 and the Big Dummy and the Conundrum are just begging me to come up with excuses. The Bombadil just pushes all my buttons. Although there are a couple of Riv frames that I find 'prettier' I love the look, (And the AHH just isn't beefy enough if I want to take 200lbs of rider + XXlbs of gear down singletrack.) The Bullmoose bars make it even better. I've seen a couple of pictures of great paint jobs, but I'd take mine clear coated, it just fits. I even love the name and would likely occasionally be seen to hum the song while I rode. A Bombadil in my size would be 650b, and I'm still not 100% sold on that. I've got no problem with them technically, just concerned about what kind of variety of tires will continue to be available as I am fond of options (the choices available now are great...) Unique is a bonus in my book. The LHT isn't too common in the general cycling world, but it is common lately in the touring world (a good thing in my book, except if I'm on one!) Bombadil on the other hand is about as unique as you get short of full custom or re-purposing something non one else would think of riding long distances. Ah, but then
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
Have you looked at the Salsa Fargo? On Oct 7, 3:32 pm, kent broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote: (posted to RBW Owner's Bunch and Surly LHT CC groups... because for some odd reason not everyone reads both!) I drink Grant-flavored Kool Aid. I want an all-rounder on which to commute, run errands, go camping, tag along with casual road rides, do some short touring now and some long distance, unsupported and possibly adventure-style touring in the future. I want a bike that can be my only bike if I am ever so unfortunate (or committed to minimalism) as to wind up in such a state. After much wandering I have narrowed my choices down to two different quasi-descendants of the Atlantis: the Rivendell Bombadil and the Surly Long Haul The LHT is dead on the sweet spot for price vs quality that I usually shoot for. It's a bike that could do everything I want for many years to come. It is a bike I would enjoy owning. This would be my third and likely not my last Surly; I recently swapped a KM for a 1x1=11 and the Big Dummy and the Conundrum are just begging me to come up with excuses. The Bombadil just pushes all my buttons. Although there are a couple of Riv frames that I find 'prettier' I love the look, (And the AHH just isn't beefy enough if I want to take 200lbs of rider + XXlbs of gear down singletrack.) The Bullmoose bars make it even better. I've seen a couple of pictures of great paint jobs, but I'd take mine clear coated, it just fits. I even love the name and would likely occasionally be seen to hum the song while I rode. A Bombadil in my size would be 650b, and I'm still not 100% sold on that. I've got no problem with them technically, just concerned about what kind of variety of tires will continue to be available as I am fond of options (the choices available now are great...) Unique is a bonus in my book. The LHT isn't too common in the general cycling world, but it is common lately in the touring world (a good thing in my book, except if I'm on one!) Bombadil on the other hand is about as unique as you get short of full custom or re-purposing something non one else would think of riding long distances. Ah, but then there's that cost... 3x as much for the frame and unlikely to be built up nearly so economically as the LHT complete. Oh well. As you can tell, I've pretty well sold myself on the Bombadil. So why post this? Just to stir up some discussion, get some different perspectives. How much more would you pay for the bike you really wanted over the bike you knew would not only do the job, but even be enjoyable? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
I just want to point out that the LHT is also well-known to be a fantastic bike- in many of the same ways as the Bombadil. Incidentally, I also have an LHT and it is wonderful. But you already know the Surly is good, or you wouldn't own two already. Bottom line is, either way you go, you'll be getting an unbelievable value. It's actually a fine time to need a practical do-it-all bike, because you have so many choices. As for the Salsa Fargo, here's something that would bother me about that frame: It's not even close to being diamond shaped- that is, the front and rear triangles form a single, inverted triangle because the seat-stays are almost inline with the top-tube.Besides necessitating about two feet of exposed seat post, it seems to me that this design compromises the fundamental strength of the classic bicycle frame: two abutted triangles forming a diamond shape that tensions the seat-tube.Of course, it could be that they are using much thicker butts in their tubing to counter any weakness this introduces, but still, I don't see the point. On Oct 7, 7:20 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at the Salsa Fargo? On Oct 7, 3:32 pm, kent broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote: (posted to RBW Owner's Bunch and Surly LHT CC groups... because for some odd reason not everyone reads both!) I drink Grant-flavored Kool Aid. I want an all-rounder on which to commute, run errands, go camping, tag along with casual road rides, do some short touring now and some long distance, unsupported and possibly adventure-style touring in the future. I want a bike that can be my only bike if I am ever so unfortunate (or committed to minimalism) as to wind up in such a state. After much wandering I have narrowed my choices down to two different quasi-descendants of the Atlantis: the Rivendell Bombadil and the Surly Long Haul The LHT is dead on the sweet spot for price vs quality that I usually shoot for. It's a bike that could do everything I want for many years to come. It is a bike I would enjoy owning. This would be my third and likely not my last Surly; I recently swapped a KM for a 1x1=11 and the Big Dummy and the Conundrum are just begging me to come up with excuses. The Bombadil just pushes all my buttons. Although there are a couple of Riv frames that I find 'prettier' I love the look, (And the AHH just isn't beefy enough if I want to take 200lbs of rider + XXlbs of gear down singletrack.) The Bullmoose bars make it even better. I've seen a couple of pictures of great paint jobs, but I'd take mine clear coated, it just fits. I even love the name and would likely occasionally be seen to hum the song while I rode. A Bombadil in my size would be 650b, and I'm still not 100% sold on that. I've got no problem with them technically, just concerned about what kind of variety of tires will continue to be available as I am fond of options (the choices available now are great...) Unique is a bonus in my book. The LHT isn't too common in the general cycling world, but it is common lately in the touring world (a good thing in my book, except if I'm on one!) Bombadil on the other hand is about as unique as you get short of full custom or re-purposing something non one else would think of riding long distances. Ah, but then there's that cost... 3x as much for the frame and unlikely to be built up nearly so economically as the LHT complete. Oh well. As you can tell, I've pretty well sold myself on the Bombadil. So why post this? Just to stir up some discussion, get some different perspectives. How much more would you pay for the bike you really wanted over the bike you knew would not only do the job, but even be enjoyable? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
When the Fargo first came out last year I was sure I would own one eventually. Now, the more I read about them, the less interested I am. I'm VERY glad they came out with it and even more glad to see people enjoying them, but they're not quote what I'm looking for. If anyone is familiar with Devo on the MTBR forums, he commented recently that the Fargo was headed in the right direction, but by comparison to his beloved Rick Hunter frame it just got there all wrong. That struck a chord with me. I guess the only specific thing I can point to is that I don't want disc brakes on my all-rounder. Oh, and I want it to look at least a little pretty, not just... whatever adjective you would use to describe the Fargo! I have tentative plans to eventually build up a custom fatbike, so if I ever do a tour too gnarly for an LHT or Bombadil, that would be the weapon of choice. On Oct 7, 6:20 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at the Salsa Fargo? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
Kent, that's funny you mention Self-Propelled Devo, he's probably helped sell so many Surly bikes. I've been following his Puglesy and Big Dummy exploits via the MTBR forums (the Surly thread) for a few years now. He is to Surly what Cyclofiend is to Rivendell, an ambassador of sorts. That Rick Hunter SPD has is nice. My buddy that I toured with this past summer is friends with Rick and rode his Hunter cross bike. It's a solid ride. But to bring this back to Rivendell... as much as I like Surly, and as capable as builders such as Rick are, Rivendell does their bikes really well. I think if you plunked down the extra bucks for a Bombadil you wouldn't be disappointed. Let us know what you decide. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
On Oct 7, 11:06 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 6, 10:29 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: So, if the only variable you're comparing is width, the difference between 30 and 33.3 is significant. significant? really? what is significantly different about the jack brown and 32 pasela? just curious. 3.3 mm., if the only variable you're comparing is width. That's more than a 10% difference. Do you disagree? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Almost Free stuff...
G. Petersen's book Roads to Ride. 1984, 89 version. A guide to rides around the bay area. A few nice bw photos with a colorful shot of a young, handsome, bandanaed Grant on the back. A crease on the cover but still good shape. J and G touring shorts. Medium..supposed to be 28-32 but I'd say 28-30. . Black, worn maybe 3-4 times. A shrunken Walz wool cycling cap. Black, was large but got mixed up in the wash...and dry...so now it's a real small. I loved this cap but it's now comical on my melon. Still good shape..very clean!.,however, when I got it I removed the elastic in the back so it's a one size only...small head? Take a chance. How about $5 to cover shipping (either individually, or for two, or for the bunch) Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] TOPIC: TYRES?
So, if the only variable you're comparing is width, the difference between 30 and 33.3 is significant. significant? really? what is significantly different about the jack brown and 32 pasela? just curious. 3.3 mm., if the only variable you're comparing is width. That's more than a 10% difference. Do you disagree? The ride and shock absorption of a tire depends on the cross-sectional area, not the width. And the cross-section goes up as the square of the radius... so small increases in width bring large increases in comfort and shock absorption. A 30 mm tire has a cross-sectional area of 707 mm2 (radius of 15 mm squared times pi). A 33.3 mm tire has a cross-sectional area of 871 mm2. A 40 mm tire has a cross-sectional area of 1257 mm2. A 20 mm tire has a cross-sectional area of 314 mm2. Thus, as a first approximation, the cross-sectional area of a 33.3 mm tire is 23% greater than that of a 30 mm tire. That is very significant. And if you go to a 40 mm tire, you almost double the cross-sectional area compared to the 30 mm tire. Compare that to a 20 mm tire with a cross-sectional area less than half of the 30 mm tire, or a quarter of the 40 mm tire. Now you know why I ride 40 mm tires on the bikes that fit them. Even larger tires might be nice on some very rough roads, but you run out of room if you want a narrow crank tread (Q factor). Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Almost Free stuff...
Hat gone.. On Oct 7, 9:03 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: G. Petersen's book Roads to Ride. 1984, 89 version. A guide to rides around the bay area. A few nice bw photos with a colorful shot of a young, handsome, bandanaed Grant on the back. A crease on the cover but still good shape. J and G touring shorts. Medium..supposed to be 28-32 but I'd say 28-30. . Black, worn maybe 3-4 times. How about $5 to cover shipping (either individually, or for two, or for the bunch) Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: news post about the Yen
On Oct 7, 12:12 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding Nitto, I think it would be prohibitively costly for an American company to acquire the tooling necessary for forging stems, etc... Well, maybe prohibitive is not the right word-- what I mean is unattractive from a business standpoint. On the other hand, there ARE great companies right here in the U.S. who machine fine aluminum products, for example Super Rat Machine works: http://www.superratmachine.com/ Super Rat Machine Works was started by Phil Wasson, an insanely talented BMX rider once associated with the (also Made-in-USA) frame company called FBM. SRM makes very good parts. I'm confused - in the earlier riv readers I thought I had read that riv had paid for the tooling for some of the specific parts they wanted. Why can't those be transferred to another manufacturer? Or maybe I'm misremembering. -sv First, if we're talking about stems machining is a poor way to go about it. Forging provides the best grain alignment. And tooling is typically machine dependent and it's unlikely that 2 companies would have the same machinery. Phil Brown --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Almost Free stuff...
shorts gone. On Oct 7, 9:03 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: G. Petersen's book Roads to Ride. 1984, 89 version. A guide to rides around the bay area. A few nice bw photos with a colorful shot of a young, handsome, bandanaed Grant on the back. A crease on the cover but still good shape. J and G touring shorts. Medium..supposed to be 28-32 but I'd say 28-30. . Black, worn maybe 3-4 times. A shrunken Walz wool cycling cap. Black, was large but got mixed up in the wash...and dry...so now it's a real small. I loved this cap but it's now comical on my melon. Still good shape..very clean!.,however, when I got it I removed the elastic in the back so it's a one size only...small head? Take a chance. How about $5 to cover shipping (either individually, or for two, or for the bunch) Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
