date:20100406

Interesting. Have you noted that not single person who replied to your
post recommended the Arkel 54 panniers??

Here's why I didn't:

Tremendously overbuilt and oversized - this results in increased
weight. Compared with the Ortlieb backrollers, this translates to
about 2 pounds extra per pair empty. As you know, if you are flying
anywhere these days, extra weight in your luggage costs money.

Extra capacity - The Arkels are 54 liters per pair versus 40 liters
per pair for the Ortieb back rollers. Extra capacity might seem like a
good thing, but it encourages over packing. EVERY tourist I've seen on
the road who has the Arkel 54 panniers has been carrying a lot of
unnecessary (for me) stuff and this adds up to even more weight you'll
have to roll up hills. Weight is additive - heavier panniers and more
stuff means you'll need a heavier bike frame, heavier wheels, heavier
tires - I can pack EVERYTHING for a 2 month tour INSIDE my front and
rear roller Ortliebs with no load on top of the racks. Traveling as
light as possible when touring can increase your enjoyment overall. I
usually have plenty of energy left at the end of a day to go for
another bike ride (unloaded) or a hike, and I'm not afraid to explore
interesting side roads or go a little extra distance to a campsite
that might be a bit nicer than the one I'd planned.

On the topic of visibility - The red used on the Arkel panniers isn't
really all that visible. First, your panniers are down low and present
a minimal profile from the rear. If you are truly concerned with
visibility on the road, wear a safety yellow or safety orange vest or
jersey. Second, compared with yellow, red isn't all that visible,
especially in low light. The reflective triangles on the back of
Ortieb panniers are stunningly bright when ANY light hits them.
Lastly, I find brightly colored panniers to be a double edged sword.
There are times when I prefer to be less visible so as to avoid
unwanted attention - as when choosing creative camping
possibilities. Again, on the road, I wear a highly visible vest and
the back of my bike sports a yellow safety triangle.

Cost - Ortiebs aren't cheap, but come on, $380.00 for a pair of bags??
REI sells the backrollers for $165.00. The way I travel, that extra
$215.00 bucks would allow me to spend an extra week or more on the
road.

Waterproofness - OK, if you are buying the idea that totally
waterproof bags are not good (I disagree), realize the any decent
pannier will keep your stuff reasonably dry. Realize also that most
tourists don't choose to ride day after day, in day-long downpours. Do
you enjoy riding in the rain now? It is simple to cheaply waterproof
your gear. While wet canyoneering (essentially, using my pack as
flotation) I've been able to keep my gear dry using double trash
compactor bags inside a standard, non-waterproof, backpack.

Dave

On Apr 5, 9:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks for the recommendations.

 It looks like Arkel's GT-54 panniers offer the best of both worlds:
 they have a dry sack integrated into the main compartment, which you
 can either use or roll up so it is out of the way.  But they are
 extremely expensive at $380.  I guess you could just buy a dry bag and
 put it in a cheaper non-water proof pannier to get the same benefit.

 Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs.  I would like
 to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs.  However,
 the back of the panniers is black. Why did Ortlieb do that instead of
 making the whole thing high vis yellow?  That is one thing I like
 about the Arkels: the whole pannier is red and there's lots of
 reflective striping.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar

2010-04-06 Thread Frederick, Steve

It's your call, of course, and I don't personally hold it against you in any 
way.  I'd point out though, that it seems a bit premature to me given that the 
final design decision has yet to be made, and no pictures of a prototype or 
first batch frameset has been published. (aside the photoshopped possibilities 
posted here)  

I trust Grant to make this bike look great no matter what design is finalized.  
I think you gave up on Grant/Riv a bit too soon...

Steve

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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:58 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar


I'm owning up.  It's me that has the refund.  Mainly due to the
thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered.  It may be good, but
not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf.  The new bike is
also too jarring to me visually.

Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord.  Not my
wish.  Do not want to alienate others because of my own stupid ideas.

Am not mad at Rivendell at all.  The blame (if there is any) lies
squarely with me in this case.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Apr 5, 6:00�pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off
 the boat. �I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. �Having ridden the
 prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. �This diagonal-fest will
 only make them more solid. �And more awesome.

 And these were never svelte bikes. �They are intended to be tanks,
 plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot)
 for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and
 Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting.

 Patience is a virtue. �I'm liking this bike more and more.

 Esteban
 San Diego, Calif.

 On Apr 5, 3:48�pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices you
  75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and
  still not tall.

  Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't
  it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly
  resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.)

  On Apr 5, 9:01�am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

   No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy.

   On Apr 5, 8:27�am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. �Jars my view
 too much. �Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. �Fine. �I'm
 fat. �That's been established. �Don't like the idea that I'm stuck
 riding a special bike.

 With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the
 original Breezer, that might work. �That's a copy of the Schwinn
 Excelsior frame.

 Also, on a slightly different note. �With the center tube, would make
 it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without
 interference. �At least on a 58. �And forget using a pump with a mount
 like the Topeak Morph series.

 Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo.
 Without the extra standover.

 Yes, I'm upset about this. �Will probably end up losing a lot of money
 selling off my frame without building it up. �Not something I can live
 happily with.

 Sigh.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

Eric,

If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. �I would not be 
suprised if
they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly unhappy with 
the
change to the top tube.

Dan Abelson
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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.

On Apr 6, 10:10 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 Interesting. Have you noted that not single person who replied to your
 post recommended the Arkel 54 panniers??

 Here's why I didn't:

 Tremendously overbuilt and oversized - this results in increased
 weight. Compared with the Ortlieb backrollers, this translates to
 about 2 pounds extra per pair empty. As you know, if you are flying
 anywhere these days, extra weight in your luggage costs money.

 Extra capacity - The Arkels are 54 liters per pair versus 40 liters
 per pair for the Ortieb back rollers. Extra capacity might seem like a
 good thing, but it encourages over packing. EVERY tourist I've seen on
 the road who has the Arkel 54 panniers has been carrying a lot of
 unnecessary (for me) stuff and this adds up to even more weight you'll
 have to roll up hills. Weight is additive - heavier panniers and more
 stuff means you'll need a heavier bike frame, heavier wheels, heavier
 tires - I can pack EVERYTHING for a 2 month tour INSIDE my front and
 rear roller Ortliebs with no load on top of the racks.

Yes, I noticed they looked kind of BIG.  However, I wondered if the
intent of the design was to allow you to forgo front panniers.  Will a
bike handle better without front panniers?  Or is it better to have
some weight on the front too?


 Traveling as
 light as possible when touring can increase your enjoyment overall.


I'm all for packing light.


 I
 usually have plenty of energy left at the end of a day to go for
 another bike ride (unloaded) or a hike, and I'm not afraid to explore
 interesting side roads or go a little extra distance to a campsite
 that might be a bit nicer than the one I'd planned.

 On the topic of visibility - The red used on the Arkel panniers isn't
 really all that visible.


Yeah, the Arkel panniers look like they are kind of a dull red color.


 First, your panniers are down low and present
 a minimal profile from the rear.
 If you are truly concerned with
 visibility on the road, wear a safety yellow or safety orange vest or
 jersey. Second, compared with yellow, red isn't all that visible,
 especially in low light. The reflective triangles on the back of
 Ortieb panniers are stunningly bright when ANY light hits them.


Yes, I understand that, but I don't like the black color on the back
of the panniers.  They should be hi vis yellow all the way around.
Every little bit helps.  As far as I can tell, there is no reason for
the back of the panniers to be black.  I guess I could hang some high
vis triangles off the back.

 Lastly, I find brightly colored panniers to be a double edged sword.
 There are times when I prefer to be less visible so as to avoid
 unwanted attention - as when choosing creative camping
 possibilities. Again, on the road, I wear a highly visible vest and
 the back of my bike sports a yellow safety triangle.

 Cost - Ortiebs aren't cheap, but come on, $380.00 for a pair of bags??


After looking at the Arkel GT-54, the Ortliebs seem downright cheap!
Although, if you only need to buy rear panniers with the Arkel's, then
it is probably going to be pretty close in price for front and rear
Ortliebs.

 REI sells the backrollers for $165.00. The way I travel, that extra
 $215.00 bucks would allow me to spend an extra week or more on the
 road.

I am leaning towards the Orlieb Backpacker Plus panniers.  Still too
big?


 Waterproofness - OK, if you are buying the idea that totally
 waterproof bags are not good (I disagree), realize the any decent
 pannier will keep your stuff reasonably dry

I'm thinking about carrying a mesh bag and strapping that to the top
of the rear panniers to dry out anything that is wet.

 Realize also that most
 tourists don't choose to ride day after day, in day-long downpours. Do
 you enjoy riding in the rain now?


I hate riding in the rain.  But if I need to get somewhere by a
certain date, then I'll have to ride in the rain.

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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

 Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs.  I would like
 to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs.  However,
 the back of the panniers is black.

By back do you mean the side that attaches to the rack or the side one
sees from the back and front of the bike?

If the latter, Ortlieb has very reflective pieces on the sides that
face in front and back of the bike.  Almost annoying when if your bike
has a light and your are riding behind someone with Ortliebs.

On Apr 5, 11:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks for the recommendations.

 It looks like Arkel's GT-54 panniers offer the best of both worlds:
 they have a dry sack integrated into the main compartment, which you
 can either use or roll up so it is out of the way.  But they are
 extremely expensive at $380.  I guess you could just buy a dry bag and
 put it in a cheaper non-water proof pannier to get the same benefit.

 Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs.  I would like
 to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs.  However,
 the back of the panniers is black. Why did Ortlieb do that instead of
 making the whole thing high vis yellow?  That is one thing I like
 about the Arkels: the whole pannier is red and there's lots of
 reflective striping.

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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

 Yes, I understand that, but I don't like the black color on the back
 of the panniers.  They should be hi vis yellow all the way around.
 Every little bit helps.  As far as I can tell, there is no reason for
 the back of the panniers to be black.  I guess I could hang some high
 vis triangles off the back.

You say you understand, but your response does not reflect this.

The Ortlieb reflector is high visibility.  Very high visibility.
Putting triangles of other material over the Ortlieb will make your
bike less visible.

On Apr 6, 12:52 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.

 On Apr 6, 10:10 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:





  Interesting. Have you noted that not single person who replied to your
  post recommended the Arkel 54 panniers??

  Here's why I didn't:

  Tremendously overbuilt and oversized - this results in increased
  weight. Compared with the Ortlieb backrollers, this translates to
  about 2 pounds extra per pair empty. As you know, if you are flying
  anywhere these days, extra weight in your luggage costs money.

  Extra capacity - The Arkels are 54 liters per pair versus 40 liters
  per pair for the Ortieb back rollers. Extra capacity might seem like a
  good thing, but it encourages over packing. EVERY tourist I've seen on
  the road who has the Arkel 54 panniers has been carrying a lot of
  unnecessary (for me) stuff and this adds up to even more weight you'll
  have to roll up hills. Weight is additive - heavier panniers and more
  stuff means you'll need a heavier bike frame, heavier wheels, heavier
  tires - I can pack EVERYTHING for a 2 month tour INSIDE my front and
  rear roller Ortliebs with no load on top of the racks.

 Yes, I noticed they looked kind of BIG.  However, I wondered if the
 intent of the design was to allow you to forgo front panniers.  Will a
 bike handle better without front panniers?  Or is it better to have
 some weight on the front too?

  Traveling as
  light as possible when touring can increase your enjoyment overall.

 I'm all for packing light.

  I
  usually have plenty of energy left at the end of a day to go for
  another bike ride (unloaded) or a hike, and I'm not afraid to explore
  interesting side roads or go a little extra distance to a campsite
  that might be a bit nicer than the one I'd planned.

  On the topic of visibility - The red used on the Arkel panniers isn't
  really all that visible.

 Yeah, the Arkel panniers look like they are kind of a dull red color.

  First, your panniers are down low and present
  a minimal profile from the rear.
  If you are truly concerned with
  visibility on the road, wear a safety yellow or safety orange vest or
  jersey. Second, compared with yellow, red isn't all that visible,
  especially in low light. The reflective triangles on the back of
  Ortieb panniers are stunningly bright when ANY light hits them.

 Yes, I understand that, but I don't like the black color on the back
 of the panniers.  They should be hi vis yellow all the way around.
 Every little bit helps.  As far as I can tell, there is no reason for
 the back of the panniers to be black.  I guess I could hang some high
 vis triangles off the back.

  Lastly, I find brightly colored panniers to be a double edged sword.
  There are times when I prefer to be less visible so as to avoid
  unwanted attention - as when choosing creative camping
  possibilities. Again, on the road, I wear a highly visible vest and
  the back of my bike sports a yellow safety triangle.

  Cost - Ortiebs aren't cheap, but come on, $380.00 for a pair of bags??

 After looking at the Arkel GT-54, the Ortliebs seem downright cheap!
 Although, if you only need to buy rear panniers with the Arkel's, then
 it is probably going to be pretty close in price for front and rear
 Ortliebs.

  REI sells the backrollers for $165.00. The way I travel, that extra
  $215.00 bucks would allow me to spend an extra week or more on the
  road.

 I am leaning towards the Orlieb Backpacker Plus panniers.  Still too
 big?



  Waterproofness - OK, if you are buying the idea that totally
  waterproof bags are not good (I disagree), realize the any decent
  pannier will keep your stuff reasonably dry

 I'm thinking about carrying a mesh bag and strapping that to the top
 of the rear panniers to dry out anything that is wet.

  Realize also that most
  tourists don't choose to ride day after day, in day-long downpours. Do
  you enjoy riding in the rain now?

 I hate riding in the rain.  But if I need to get somewhere by a
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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations



On Apr 6, 10:52 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.

 Yes, I noticed they looked kind of BIG.  However, I wondered if the
 intent of the design was to allow you to forgo front panniers.  Will a
 bike handle better without front panniers?  Or is it better to have
 some weight on the front too?

I've ridden on tours both ways. Long ago, most of us toured with just
rear panniers. Both my wife and I now prefer our bikes with a little
more weight in the front and a little less in the rear. We pack heavy,
dense stuff in the front panniers and lighter bulky stuff in the rear.
If I had to put numbers to it, the distribution seems about 60% front
and 40% rear. Remember that when you are actually riding your bike,
your body weight is carried more on the rear wheel, so by packing
heavier in the front, the bike ends up being balanced front to rear.


 I am leaning towards the Orlieb Backpacker Plus panniers.  Still too
 big?

Well, those are about 10 liters bigger than the roller panniers. Truth
be told, the rear panniers I now prefer are the Carradice Super C's -
those are 54liters - the same as the Arkels! BUT . . . I have a lot of
self restraint about what I choose to take. I only prefer the
Carradice panniers because I like the canvas! This is the RBW group,
afterall!

  Waterproofness - OK, if you are buying the idea that totally
  waterproof bags are not good (I disagree), realize the any decent
  pannier will keep your stuff reasonably dry

 I'm thinking about carrying a mesh bag and strapping that to the top
 of the rear panniers to dry out anything that is wet.

Great idea! I just bungee wet stuff on top of the load (usually just a
pair of bike shorts that hasn't dried yet). I also carry nylon cord
for a clothesline in camp. If you double the line and twist it tight,
you can insert corners of your clothes into the twists instead of
using clothespins. I told you I travel light! Also remember that most
bike touring in the US travels by stores and towns - 15 minutes at a
laundromat and your stuff is dry again.

  Realize also that most
  tourists don't choose to ride day after day, in day-long downpours. Do
  you enjoy riding in the rain now?

 I hate riding in the rain.  But if I need to get somewhere by a
 certain date, then I'll have to ride in the rain.

I've noticed that many people who buy outdoor gear (kayaks, backpacks,
touring bikes, sleeping bags, etc) tend to over buy based on what they
might do or experience instead of what they'll do 95% of the time. If
you hate riding in the rain, you probably won't do it very often. If
you have to, ANY pannier will work lined with a plastic trash bag.
Waterproof packs are a convenience, not a necessity.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar

2010-04-06 Thread Garth


If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles ?
Design is one thing, but what about practicality?

While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all
about triangles .. more of them doesn't necessarily mean better.
Double top tubes parallel
looks masculine.. works great for carrying and stand
mounting... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't.

I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so
popular . why are they not sold in mass?
I see a warmish response here in this forum  but you know how some
things go . people say they love the design . but when it
comes time to actually
buy and own one . personal reality checks in. . .  . and they
may not want it.  It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike
show  it looks great  you drool over it ...
but you just don't get one . for whatever reason. usually it's
too far out of the norm. What would so and so think? ... etc.

The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere.




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[RBW] What was I thinking?!

2010-04-06 Thread MichaelH

All winter long I kept reading about bikes; until I was convinced I
must need a new one - something lighter, faster, or something with
bigger tires, maybe 650B, or SS couplers...  Then Spring came and I
got out the old bikes and really started riding.  Wow, this is
great; I don't need a new bike just a lot more time to ride the ones I
got.

OK, I confess, I'm still waiting for my new tandem - Cinco de Mayo.
As my friend Zed often reminds me, Happiness isn't having what you
want, it's wanting what you have!

Michael,
Off to SF for two weeks, but no dang bike with me.

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[RBW] Re: What was I thinking?!

2010-04-06 Thread William

Michael

Here's a 45 second movie from my commute to work this morning.  San
Francisco, Oakland, Alcatraz, and all the bridges present and
accounted for.  Pretty morning.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4497088113/

On Apr 6, 12:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 All winter long I kept reading about bikes; until I was convinced I
 must need a new one - something lighter, faster, or something with
 bigger tires, maybe 650B, or SS couplers...  Then Spring came and I
 got out the old bikes and really started riding.  Wow, this is
 great; I don't need a new bike just a lot more time to ride the ones I
 got.

 OK, I confess, I'm still waiting for my new tandem - Cinco de Mayo.
 As my friend Zed often reminds me, Happiness isn't having what you
 want, it's wanting what you have!

 Michael,
 Off to SF for two weeks, but no dang bike with me.

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[RBW] Heron may rise again!

http://www.bicycleclassics.com/

Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom.  Brief blurb, but it
appears Bicycle
Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has
been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop
production.

I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have
always been great, sensible bikes for the money.  Bicycle Classics is
a nice operation.  Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person
who knows a lot about bikes.

Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!

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Re: [RBW] Heron may rise again!

2010-04-06 Thread Murray Love

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

 http://www.bicycleclassics.com/

 Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom.  Brief blurb, but it
 appears Bicycle
 Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has
 been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop
 production.

 I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have
 always been great, sensible bikes for the money.  Bicycle Classics is
 a nice operation.  Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person
 who knows a lot about bikes.

 Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!


That is good news.  Even better, I note that these Herons will use
non-oversize tubing, while I believe the originals used OS road tubing.

Murray
Victoria, BC

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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

On Apr 6, 11:56 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
  Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs.  I would like
  to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs.  However,
  the back of the panniers is black.

 By back do you mean the side that attaches to the rack or the side one
 sees from the back and front of the bike?

 If the latter, Ortlieb has very reflective pieces on the sides that
 face in front and back of the bike.  Almost annoying when if your bike
 has a light and your are riding behind someone with Ortliebs.


I'm talking about the side of the pannier that faces rearward.  I call
that the back, but I guess if you are in the know about panniers, the
back of the pannier actually goes against the rack, and one of the
sides faces rearward.

As far as I know, it doesn't matter what color background a reflector
is stuck to.   So having a less visible color for the rearward facing
side of the pannier, i.e. black instead of hi vis yellow, strikes me
as being a flaw in the design.  Someone who buys hi vis panniers wants
to be seen.  Personally, I feel that I am most vulnerable to cars
coming from the rear.  Therefore, I would prefer having the entirety
of the Ortlieb pannier in hi vis yellow.  My second choice would be a
pannier that was all black with the rear hi vis yellow.

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Re: [RBW] Diagonapillar

2010-04-06 Thread Rene Sterental

I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
taking the discussion to a silly level.

As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of copying the design and
making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil
sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes.

The diagonal second tube ala mixte I find very charming and visually
appealing, as well as differentiating it from the Bombadil. Assuming
equal functionality, one can now choose the design they like best and
the price difference as well as origin of the frame can become
secondary.

That being said, I have no idea on the implications of these design
variations on the quality of the ride. I do love riding my Bombadil;
it's taught me to ride slow and enjoy the ride more. Before, it was
always a frustrating experience of trying to ride hard to lower my
average speed...

I'm very curious to see where the Hunqa takes us...

René

On 4/6/10, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 5, 6:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eric

 I don't think anyone should or would fault you for not wanting to
 follow through on buying a bike that changed into something you don't
 like.

 Personally, the only thing you said that I thought was a bit unfair
 was the statement that the bike seemed like a 'half-hearted copy' of
 another bike.  I don't know Grant or Keven well enough to really know
 how they might feel about reading that, but I can't imagine it being
 pleasant.  I don't think Grant or Keven is a copycat,


 As far as I can tell, there is nothing about the shape of Rivendell's
 bicycles that hasn't been done before.  There are very few creative
 new bike designs.  But, I think I have discovered one.  I call it the
 Trianga-pillar:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4495790421/

 Patent pending.







 and I don't
 think they approach bike design half-heartedly, and I bet you don't
 either.  It's fine being honest about subjective things like the
 design is 'jarring' or even ugly if that's the way you feel.

 On Apr 5, 4:57 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

  I'm owning up.  It's me that has the refund.  Mainly due to the
  thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered.  It may be good, but
  not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf.  The new bike is
  also too jarring to me visually.

  Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord.  Not my
  wish.  Do not want to alienate others because of my own stupid ideas.

  Am not mad at Rivendell at all.  The blame (if there is any) lies
  squarely with me in this case.

  Eric Platt
  St. Paul, MN

  On Apr 5, 6:00 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:

   If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off
   the boat. I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. Having ridden the
   prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. This diagonal-fest will
   only make them more solid. And more awesome.

   And these were never svelte bikes. They are intended to be tanks,
   plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot)
   for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and
   Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting.

   Patience is a virtue. I'm liking this bike more and more.

   Esteban
   San Diego, Calif.

   On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices
you
75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and
still not tall.

Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't
it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly
resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.)

On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy.

 On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com
  wrote:
   Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my
   view
   too much. Also makes it look like it's a fatty bike. Fine.
   I'm
   fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm
   stuck
   riding a special bike.

   With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the
   original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the
   Schwinn
   Excelsior frame.

   Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube,
   would make
   it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in
   without
   interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a
   mount
   like the Topeak Morph series.

   Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa
   Fargo.
   Without the extra standover.

   Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot
   of money
   selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I
   can live
   happily with.

[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

No recommendations/experience with the ones you are looking at.

For me, the choice of panniers depends on how committed you are to
commuting. If you ride rain or shine and want a pair of panniers that
are easy to use and waterproof, the small Ortlieb sport packers or
front rollers are great (25-30 liters per pair). I've used these on a
rear rack. They attach/detach quickly when you park or put your bike
on the front of a bus. I've also found that I'm able to commute
comfortably with a single Ortlieb backroller (single 20 liters). I
also use a waterproof backpack for days when I have a little extra to
carry (SealLine brand) or I add a second backroller.

Riv content - my favorite commuting set up is on my QB. Unless I'm
taking the semi (below), it is the system I now use instead of racks
and panniers. I use a light messenger bag over my shoulder and a
medium basket/nitto front rack with a small duffel bag. On days when I
carry a bit more, I stuff the messenger bag in the aforementioned
waterproof backpack and add the other stuff on top.

At the far end of the committed bicycle commuting spectrum, I have my
semi-truck - a Surly Big Dummy with a Burley Nomad trailer!

Dave

On Apr 6, 11:56 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any recommendation for small-ish panniers for commuting?  I'm looking
 at:

 Lone Peak P-099
 Lone Peak P-100
 Arkel B-26

 They'll be going on a Tubus Cosmo if that makes any difference.

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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

 As far as I know, it doesn't matter what color background a reflector
 is stuck to.   So having a less visible color for the rearward facing
 side of the pannier, i.e. black instead of hi vis yellow, strikes me
 as being a flaw in the design.

Ortlieb designs its panniers to German government safety standards. I
expect there has been a lot of research behind the material color
choice.

When I come up behind someone with Ortliebs on tour, I always notice
the reflectors first.  Well before I can make out any detail of the
bike or rider.

On Apr 6, 3:27 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 6, 11:56 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

   Here's something I don't understand about the Ortliebs.  I would like
   to get high visibility panniers, like the yellow Ortliebs.  However,
   the back of the panniers is black.

  By back do you mean the side that attaches to the rack or the side one
  sees from the back and front of the bike?

  If the latter, Ortlieb has very reflective pieces on the sides that
  face in front and back of the bike.  Almost annoying when if your bike
  has a light and your are riding behind someone with Ortliebs.

 I'm talking about the side of the pannier that faces rearward.  I call
 that the back, but I guess if you are in the know about panniers, the
 back of the pannier actually goes against the rack, and one of the
 sides faces rearward.

 As far as I know, it doesn't matter what color background a reflector
 is stuck to.   So having a less visible color for the rearward facing
 side of the pannier, i.e. black instead of hi vis yellow, strikes me
 as being a flaw in the design.  Someone who buys hi vis panniers wants
 to be seen.  Personally, I feel that I am most vulnerable to cars
 coming from the rear.  Therefore, I would prefer having the entirety
 of the Ortlieb pannier in hi vis yellow.  My second choice would be a
 pannier that was all black with the rear hi vis yellow.

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[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!

 Even better, I note that these Herons will use non-oversize tubing,

All the better to use some of the nice stuff BC sells.

On Apr 6, 3:22 pm, Murray Love murray.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 http://www.bicycleclassics.com/

  Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom.  Brief blurb, but it
  appears Bicycle
  Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has
  been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop
  production.

  I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have
  always been great, sensible bikes for the money.  Bicycle Classics is
  a nice operation.  Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person
  who knows a lot about bikes.

  Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!

 That is good news.  Even better, I note that these Herons will use
 non-oversize tubing, while I believe the originals used OS road tubing.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar

 As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of copying the design and
 making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil
 sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes.

With you on that.  The Hilborne does Hilsen things but its design is
notably different.  I had trouble getting the reason for the Hunqa
before the design change.

 The diagonal second tube ala mixte I find very charming and visually
 appealing, as well as differentiating it from the Bombadil. Assuming
 equal functionality, one can now choose the design they like best and
 the price difference as well as origin of the frame can become
 secondary.

Agree again.  A proud and happy owner of a Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road,
I need one of these bikes as much as I need a new hole in my head.
Bringing back the diagonal second tube caught my attention.  A lot of
great old builders used the concept to good effect in days gone by.
It would be fun to have a modern variation.

On Apr 6, 3:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
 taking the discussion to a silly level.

 As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of copying the design and
 making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil
 sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes.

 The diagonal second tube ala mixte I find very charming and visually
 appealing, as well as differentiating it from the Bombadil. Assuming
 equal functionality, one can now choose the design they like best and
 the price difference as well as origin of the frame can become
 secondary.

 That being said, I have no idea on the implications of these design
 variations on the quality of the ride. I do love riding my Bombadil;
 it's taught me to ride slow and enjoy the ride more. Before, it was
 always a frustrating experience of trying to ride hard to lower my
 average speed...

 I'm very curious to see where the Hunqa takes us...

 René

 On 4/6/10, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:





  On Apr 5, 6:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Eric

  I don't think anyone should or would fault you for not wanting to
  follow through on buying a bike that changed into something you don't
  like.

  Personally, the only thing you said that I thought was a bit unfair
  was the statement that the bike seemed like a 'half-hearted copy' of
  another bike.  I don't know Grant or Keven well enough to really know
  how they might feel about reading that, but I can't imagine it being
  pleasant.  I don't think Grant or Keven is a copycat,

  As far as I can tell, there is nothing about the shape of Rivendell's
  bicycles that hasn't been done before.  There are very few creative
  new bike designs.  But, I think I have discovered one.  I call it the
  Trianga-pillar:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4495790421/

  Patent pending.

  and I don't
  think they approach bike design half-heartedly, and I bet you don't
  either.  It's fine being honest about subjective things like the
  design is 'jarring' or even ugly if that's the way you feel.

  On Apr 5, 4:57 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

   I'm owning up.  It's me that has the refund.  Mainly due to the
   thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered.  It may be good, but
   not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf.  The new bike is
   also too jarring to me visually.

   Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord.  Not my
   wish.  Do not want to alienate others because of my own stupid ideas.

   Am not mad at Rivendell at all.  The blame (if there is any) lies
   squarely with me in this case.

   Eric Platt
   St. Paul, MN

   On Apr 5, 6:00 pm, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote:

If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off
the boat. I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. Having ridden the
prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. This diagonal-fest will
only make them more solid. And more awesome.

And these were never svelte bikes. They are intended to be tanks,
plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot)
for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and
Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting.

Patience is a virtue. I'm liking this bike more and more.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices
 you
 75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and
 still not tall.

 Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (whichfunny isn't
 it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly
 resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.)

 On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy.

  On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:

   On Mon,

[RBW] Achilles pain

2010-04-06 Thread Shawn

After an 80 mile ride on Saturday I had pain in my left Achilles. I
rode clipped in. What might be the cause of the pain?

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar

On Apr 6, 2:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
 taking the discussion to a silly level.


Somewhat.  But from an engineering standpoint, three triangles are
stronger than two.  So technically, it is a stronger design than the
diaga-piller.  Also, I question whether the diaga-piller, which I
hereby dub the dragon-pillar because it rolls off the tongue easier,
is actually stronger.  It creates two flattish somewhat triangular
shapes.  The flatness is the problem, I think.  Not much strength in
that.  And really, they aren't even triangles to begin with.  I would
like to see some test results.

I also wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like the
Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
does that affect the handling?

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[RBW] Re: Achilles pain

2010-04-06 Thread newenglandbike

Geez...  could be anything;  could be you just over extended it.
Could be an over-use injury caused by the 80mi ride, or might not even
have anything to do with it.

I've had various strange injuries and muscle pains here and there
since I was a teenager riding a skateboard, and probably even before
that.To be honest, as a somewhat active person I've gotten so used
to the process I don't even give it a second thought-   1) not having
a clue why something hurts, 2) waiting a couple of days, 3) forgetting
it hurt in the first place... and the cycle begins anew.

I'd take a couple few days off, and see if it resolves itself.   If
not, maybe visit your doctor about it.


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 After an 80 mile ride on Saturday I had pain in my left Achilles. I
 rode clipped in. What might be the cause of the pain?

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[RBW] Re: Achilles pain

On Apr 6, 3:17 pm, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After an 80 mile ride on Saturday I had pain in my left Achilles. I
 rode clipped in. What might be the cause of the pain?

Do your pedals have float?  New pedals or old pedals?

Your saddle might be too high.  Any recent changes?

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands

Looked at the VO stand. Perhaps I'll give that one a try before I give
up on center stands.

Thanks

On Apr 5, 11:00 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:

  In my experience with my 60 cm Bombadil, I found the center Esge 2 leg
  stand to be unstable on anything but dead flat, hard ground. I mention
  the size of the bike because I wondered whether the height provided a
  greater lever for destabilizing it.

  I agree that the Esge is not all that stable even on flat concrete and, on

 soft surfaces, it's no better than your $12.95 bb Greenfield. BUT *I*
 use the VO stand which (1) is wider and (2) has these cute little plastic
 feet that give more support. Considerably better.

 But I agree that a rear-triangle-mount stand seems to be best unless you
 really want to keep your bike upright when you remove a wheel (which I do).

 Patrick Moore, grimly bottom-trimming.

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[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread Roy Yates

Mike and Jan,

It's a great day when you find out that your wishes had already been
granted.

Thanks,
...Roy :)


On Apr 6, 10:19 am, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
  My suggestion would be that BQ articles on new bikes and
  equipment have an associated online archive of color photos.

 The online full-color archives already exists:

 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/biketests.html(test bikes)

 and

 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/image-archive.html(classic bikes)

 Regarding the question of paper vs. electronic, most of us spend
 enough time looking at a screen. Sitting on the sofa with my children
 and reading a paper book or magazine is truly quality time. Beyond
 that, much of the research in Bicycle Quarterly hopefully will endure
 the ages. And for that, paper is invaluable. Web sites come and go,
 discs become illegible, but paper endures. If Velocio hadn't printed
 Le Cycliste on paper, we wouldn't know much about the early days of
 cyclotouring. And Rebour's wonderful drawings would be long-lost if
 they hadn't been printed on paper. I recently found an article that
 described how the low-trail geometries were developed... finally
 answering some of the questions I've had for years. My take is that if
 it's something you plan to keep, and if it's important,  paper is
 good. If it's read once and then discarded, electronic is better.

 Compared to all the paper you get in the mail every year, four issues
 of Bicycle Quarterly don't make a huge impact. We use a local printer
 and recycled paper, and most of the magazines are carried to the post
 office by bike, so we are actively reducing our environmental impact.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 2116 Western Ave.
 Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com

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[RBW] Re: Achilles pain

2010-04-06 Thread Shawn

Nothing has changed in my set up. The pedals are almost two yrs old.
What is pedal float?

On Apr 6, 5:31 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 6, 3:17 pm, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote:

  After an 80 mile ride on Saturday I had pain in my left Achilles. I
  rode clipped in. What might be the cause of the pain?

 Do your pedals have float?  New pedals or old pedals?

 Your saddle might be too high.  Any recent changes?

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar

 From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
 large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
 is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like the
 Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
 does that affect the handling?

Yes, we all know that Grant is a real slouch when it comes to
designing bikes that handle well.

On Apr 6, 4:22 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 6, 2:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

  I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
  taking the discussion to a silly level.

 Somewhat.  But from an engineering standpoint, three triangles are
 stronger than two.  So technically, it is a stronger design than the
 diaga-piller.  Also, I question whether the diaga-piller, which I
 hereby dub the dragon-pillar because it rolls off the tongue easier,
 is actually stronger.  It creates two flattish somewhat triangular
 shapes.  The flatness is the problem, I think.  Not much strength in
 that.  And really, they aren't even triangles to begin with.  I would
 like to see some test results.

 I also wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
 on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
 tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
 road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
 stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
 large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
 is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like the
 Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
 does that affect the handling?

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[RBW] Bombadil and short stems

I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.
I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
8cm dirt drop.

My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
slowing down the steering response a bit.

Dave

On Apr 6, 2:22 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 6, 2:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

  I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
  taking the discussion to a silly level.

 Somewhat.  But from an engineering standpoint, three triangles are
 stronger than two.  So technically, it is a stronger design than the
 diaga-piller.  Also, I question whether the diaga-piller, which I
 hereby dub the dragon-pillar because it rolls off the tongue easier,
 is actually stronger.  It creates two flattish somewhat triangular
 shapes.  The flatness is the problem, I think.  Not much strength in
 that.  And really, they aren't even triangles to begin with.  I would
 like to see some test results.

 I also wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
 on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
 tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
 road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
 stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
 large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
 is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like the
 Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
 does that affect the handling?

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and short stems

2010-04-06 Thread Jim M.

48cm flat for off-road is very narrow. I use bars that are about 68cm
with a little sweep back on my MTB.

jim m
wc ca

On Apr 6, 2:56 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.
 I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
 with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
 8cm dirt drop.

 My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
 for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
 bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
 handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
 unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
 to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
 of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
 steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
 putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
 slowing down the steering response a bit.

 Dave

 On Apr 6, 2:22 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:

  On Apr 6, 2:34 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

   I will apologize first, but do think this triangapillar is just
   taking the discussion to a silly level.

  Somewhat.  But from an engineering standpoint, three triangles are
  stronger than two.  So technically, it is a stronger design than the
  diaga-piller.  Also, I question whether the diaga-piller, which I
  hereby dub the dragon-pillar because it rolls off the tongue easier,
  is actually stronger.  It creates two flattish somewhat triangular
  shapes.  The flatness is the problem, I think.  Not much strength in
  that.  And really, they aren't even triangles to begin with.  I would
  like to see some test results.

  I also wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
  on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
  tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
  road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
  stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
  large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
  is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like the
  Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how
  does that affect the handling?

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[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!

2010-04-06 Thread jinxed

The Herons were really beautifully understated too. I was lucky to see
one here in Denver while on a ride and it was gorgeous. I snapped a
decent picture and used it as my desktop for a long while...then
killed my laptop and lost it.

Never did meet up with the owner. If you have/had an icy bluish grey
59ish Heron in Denver...I oogled your bike.

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Re: [RBW] UPDATE: FS: Assortment of Riv, White, Nitto Phil :: 64cm Quickbeam FF

2010-04-06 Thread Joe Bunik

Hi Erik

Just curious-- did you move these bullmooses on yet?

--Bullmoose Bar w/ Levers and Twined'n'Taped Grips. photos. 130.
Used off and on for the past few months, decided to sell my quickbeam,
so no longer can use them. Look new, aside from insertion wear. 185
new.

Would need to rustle up some scratch, but the thought is tempting...

Thanks
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 1/22/10, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's what I've sold, after all the dust settled several folks backed out
 and it generally took awhile to get through all that. Photos added for the
 quickbeam frameset. If you still want something, and it's still listed
 below, please resend your email.

 I've adjusted a few prices, if you think they are still too high please make
 an offer. Please keep in mind, I'm not selling this to just clear room--I'm
 trying to ride the lion of unemployment through yet another pending rent
 check. Thank you all.

 Add 5/item for shipping, or pickup in the Berkeley if you can.

 --*64cm Rivendell Quickbeam Frameset (orange).*
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A2usvkvYNvNGW7sckj4kaA?feat=directlink.
 700 + actual shipping (obo).
 This was described in a previous email, still available.

 --*Bullmoose Bar* w/* Levers and Twined'n'Taped Grips*.
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0EJusRcJse3PdSSmygv-ow?feat=directlink.
 130.
 Used off and on for the past few months, decided to sell my quickbeam, so no
 longer can use them. Look new, aside from insertion wear. 185 new.
 *
 *
 --*White Industries Double Double* *Crankset and Freewheel Combo* (38/35 x
 16/19 -- perfect for 700c allrounding).
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/a2xsvJhNYykb9bSHgPSIYw?feat=directlink.
 250
 Approximately 600 miles of use, really enjoyed these but no longer have a
 single speed. Over 400 new.
 *
 *
 *--Riv/Nitto Saddlebag Quick Release*.
 photohttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KkyYIzrnaBg8XtrSRRnlcA?feat=directlink.
 65.
 Used for a half-dozen commutes, put away. 86 new.
 *
 *
 --Phil Wood FSA Front laced to Mavic A719 w DT Swiss: by Rich Lesnik. photos
 pending. 190.
 Silver Hub  Spokes, black rim. Used on my touring bike until I moved to a
 dynamo setup, 1k miles is a fair estimate. Never had to touch a thing on
 this wheel. Would keep if I had room. 290 new.
 *
 *
 --Phil Wood High Flange 120mm Fixed/Free Hub 36h laced to Mavic A719 w DT
 comp spokes. photos pending. 160.

 *All silver. Less than 1k miles, but I wouldn't worry too much about a
 phil? I put a tiny ding in the rim once--it was successfully straightened
 out, but you can feel a slight skip when braking due to the slight
 imperfection on the brake surface. Never bothered me, but I've priced
 accordingly because of it. The hub alone cost me 200.*


 --CrankBrothers Eggbeater SL (#2 of 2).
 photohttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DO8kXf0F7NcsCCTLbj_e4A?feat=directlink.
 40.
 These are a bit less since they have slight play in the springs, this
 existed when I bought them new, and was never an issue. Paid 100.
 *
 *
 Thanks for reading!

 Erik

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Re: [RBW] UPDATE: FS: Assortment of Riv, White, Nitto Phil :: 64cm Quickbeam FF

2010-04-06 Thread Joe Bunik

D'OH, burned by that dreaded reply-to: yet again! To both lists, even! :-P

Apologies
=- Joe

On 4/6/10, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Erik

 Just curious-- did you move these bullmooses on yet?

 --Bullmoose Bar w/ Levers and Twined'n'Taped Grips. photos. 130.
 Used off and on for the past few months, decided to sell my quickbeam,
 so no longer can use them. Look new, aside from insertion wear. 185
 new.

 Would need to rustle up some scratch, but the thought is tempting...

 Thanks
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA


 On 1/22/10, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's what I've sold, after all the dust settled several folks backed
 out
 and it generally took awhile to get through all that. Photos added for
 the
 quickbeam frameset. If you still want something, and it's still listed
 below, please resend your email.

 I've adjusted a few prices, if you think they are still too high please
 make
 an offer. Please keep in mind, I'm not selling this to just clear
 room--I'm
 trying to ride the lion of unemployment through yet another pending rent
 check. Thank you all.

 Add 5/item for shipping, or pickup in the Berkeley if you can.

 --*64cm Rivendell Quickbeam Frameset (orange).*
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A2usvkvYNvNGW7sckj4kaA?feat=directlink.
 700 + actual shipping (obo).
 This was described in a previous email, still available.

 --*Bullmoose Bar* w/* Levers and Twined'n'Taped Grips*.
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0EJusRcJse3PdSSmygv-ow?feat=directlink.
 130.
 Used off and on for the past few months, decided to sell my quickbeam, so
 no
 longer can use them. Look new, aside from insertion wear. 185 new.
 *
 *
 --*White Industries Double Double* *Crankset and Freewheel Combo* (38/35
 x
 16/19 -- perfect for 700c allrounding).
 photoshttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/a2xsvJhNYykb9bSHgPSIYw?feat=directlink.
 250
 Approximately 600 miles of use, really enjoyed these but no longer have a
 single speed. Over 400 new.
 *
 *
 *--Riv/Nitto Saddlebag Quick Release*.
 photohttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KkyYIzrnaBg8XtrSRRnlcA?feat=directlink.
 65.
 Used for a half-dozen commutes, put away. 86 new.
 *
 *
 --Phil Wood FSA Front laced to Mavic A719 w DT Swiss: by Rich Lesnik.
 photos
 pending. 190.
 Silver Hub  Spokes, black rim. Used on my touring bike until I moved to
 a
 dynamo setup, 1k miles is a fair estimate. Never had to touch a thing on
 this wheel. Would keep if I had room. 290 new.
 *
 *
 --Phil Wood High Flange 120mm Fixed/Free Hub 36h laced to Mavic A719 w DT
 comp spokes. photos pending. 160.

 *All silver. Less than 1k miles, but I wouldn't worry too much about a
 phil? I put a tiny ding in the rim once--it was successfully
 straightened
 out, but you can feel a slight skip when braking due to the slight
 imperfection on the brake surface. Never bothered me, but I've priced
 accordingly because of it. The hub alone cost me 200.*


 --CrankBrothers Eggbeater SL (#2 of 2).
 photohttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DO8kXf0F7NcsCCTLbj_e4A?feat=directlink.
 40.
 These are a bit less since they have slight play in the springs, this
 existed when I bought them new, and was never an issue. Paid 100.
 *
 *
 Thanks for reading!

 Erik

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and short stems

Hi,

On Apr 6, 3:56 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.

Thanks for posting.  That is the size I would slot into.

 I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
 with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
 8cm dirt drop.

 My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
 for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
 bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
 handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
 unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
 to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
 of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
 steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
 putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
 slowing down the steering response a bit.


Of course, a longer stem would also slow the steering down.  It's
interesting that the Bombadil doesn't handle as well when used off-
road--when it is marketed as a mountain bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 21:27 -0700, doug peterson wrote:
 Paper is good.  It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a
 bit like Christmas but 4X per year.  An e-mail notice that your new
 BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same.  Your current mix
 and balance of topics suits me.  I've learned a lot of interesting
 stuff reading BQ.

Can't read a PDF in bed or in the bathroom.



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[RBW] Re: What was I thinking?!

2010-04-06 Thread Mike

Happiness isn't having what you want, it's wanting what you have!

That's great! I feel that way about my Hilsen.

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[RBW] Diagonapillar

I'm going to start a new thread.

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[RBW] Bombadils and short stems

I wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like
the
Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but
how
does that affect the handling?


Hi,

On Apr 6, 3:56 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.

Thanks for posting.  That is the size I would slot into.

 I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
 with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
 8cm dirt drop.
 My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
 for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
 bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
 handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
 unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
 to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
 of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
 steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
 putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
 slowing down the steering response a bit.

Of course, a longer stem would also slow the steering down.  It's
interesting that the Bombadil doesn't handle as well when used off-
road--when it is marketed as a mountain bike.


On Apr 6, 4:13 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 48cm flat for off-road is very narrow. I use bars that are about 68cm
 with a little sweep back on my MTB.

 jim m
 wc ca


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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

2010-04-06 Thread Ian Dickson

I have a 59cm bike with a 7cm stem on it.  It handles beautifully.  If
a shorter stem might make you more comfortable, try it.

On Apr 6, 2:58 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems
 on big frames to get the reach right.  The Bombadil has a longish top
 tube for me.  With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a
 road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short
 stem.  From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively.   A
 large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight
 is distributed properly between the front and rear.  It seems like
 the
 Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but
 how
 does that affect the handling?

 Hi,

 On Apr 6, 3:56 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:

  I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.

 Thanks for posting.  That is the size I would slot into.

  I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
  with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
  8cm dirt drop.
  My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
  for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
  bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
  handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
  unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
  to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
  of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
  steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
  putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
  slowing down the steering response a bit.

 Of course, a longer stem would also slow the steering down.  It's
 interesting that the Bombadil doesn't handle as well when used off-
 road--when it is marketed as a mountain bike.

 On Apr 6, 4:13 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

  48cm flat for off-road is very narrow. I use bars that are about 68cm
  with a little sweep back on my MTB.

  jim m
  wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread rswatson






On Apr 6, 2010, at 16:50, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:


On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 21:27 -0700, doug peterson wrote:

Paper is good.  It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a
bit like Christmas but 4X per year.  An e-mail notice that your new
BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same.  Your current mix
and balance of topics suits me.  I've learned a lot of interesting
stuff reading BQ.


Can't read a PDF in bed or in the bathroom.


Says who?
I do it all the time!


Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread amoll68

Jan,

I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for
many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them
frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the
Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them.

Looking forward to your next book, too.

Please keep up the great work.

Alex Moll
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

 Yes, I understood that.  But it seems like a stretch to think that
 Rivendell designed the frame with a mountain bike bar in mind.  Their
 website shows the Bombadil outfitted with various road bars: a drop
 bar, a mustache bar, and a bull moose bar.

Well, now that I look at the specs for the other bar types (v. 48 cm
drop bars), those bars are wider.   The bull moose is 66 cm wide.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

The Bullmoose bar is still unequaled for rough terrain. You're a big
guy on a big bike riding fast over rough ground, and the wide bar lets
you manhandle the bike like a monkey manipulating a peanut.

lol

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[RBW] There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread William

If it's still Dave doing the filming he's learning how to shoot and
edit REALLY quickly.  This one is legit.

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[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread William

Oh SNAP!  It was all Jay, solo.  That's something else.

On Apr 6, 5:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 If it's still Dave doing the filming he's learning how to shoot and
 edit REALLY quickly.  This one is legit.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread Dustin Sharp

Jay is having way too much fun with these. They just get better and better.

Makes me want a bike with Albatross bars!


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 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
 
 Oh SNAP!  It was all Jay, solo.  That's something else.
 
 On Apr 6, 5:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 If it's still Dave doing the filming he's learning how to shoot and
 edit REALLY quickly.  This one is legit.
 
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The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory
Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like
the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the
Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric
rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly
*certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the
VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter
than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's
good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my
shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed
drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty,
AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all
the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd
put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate
which just demands to be used.

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I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my
wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and
weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have
to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod
wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the
bike stable when the Burley's attached.

--dlloyd

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Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully as
the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the
degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you
prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a set
screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, if a
stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably better than
the Pletscher.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

2010-04-06 Thread newenglandbike

I have a 56cm bombadil and I agree with Dave;  it seems to be designed
for a dirt-drop stem if you're using drop bars.  I have noodle bars on
mine and it is my most comfortable bike. Remember, because it has
a 5 degree upsloping TT, if you work out the trigonometry it's
equivalent to about a ~61cm traditional level-TT frame size.The TT
on the 56 Bombadil is about 60cm, which seems perfectly reasonable to
me when paired with a 61cm traditional size.

As for handling, I think if a bike handles reasonably well on-road,
the question isn't whether it will handle well offroad, but whether it
can handle the punishment of being ridden offroad.  That's what
the bombadil seem to be designed for.I'm sure it's been said that
given a reasonably conventional non-suspension geometry and some plump
tires, off-road 'handling' is 90% rider, 10% bike.


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 The Bullmoose bar is still unequaled for rough terrain. You're a big
 guy on a big bike riding fast over rough ground, and the wide bar lets
 you manhandle the bike like a monkey manipulating a peanut.

 lol

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[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread newenglandbike

what a fun video, and well done for being self-filmed.   *really*
fantastic terrain/vistas

On Apr 6, 8:20 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jay is having way too much fun with these. They just get better and better.

 Makes me want a bike with Albatross bars!

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  Subject: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

  Oh SNAP!  It was all Jay, solo.  That's something else.

  On Apr 6, 5:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  If it's still Dave doing the filming he's learning how to shoot and
  edit REALLY quickly.  This one is legit.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

2010-04-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have a 56cm bombadil and I agree with Dave;  it seems to be designed
 for a dirt-drop stem if you're using drop bars.


I will add that with a 10 cm DD stem and 46 cm Noodles, my former Diamond
Back Axis Team off road fixed gear was one of the nicest handling mountain
bikes I've owned. I am sure it was due in part to the huge, 60 mm BAs but
the short, high stem in no way hurt it.

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[RBW] another pannier question

2010-04-06 Thread ejg

Just read through the other pannier post and didn't see any mention
of  Carradice Carradry panniers

Anybody using these? Opinions?
I have a Carradice Nelson saddlebag that I really like, but spring is
on the way and it rains a bunch in Maine

Thanks

EJG

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Another vote for the paper version.
 If BQ ever went to pdf and/or online exclusively I would probably
 cancel my subscription.It's a guilty pleasure to sit on the sofa in
 stocking feet with a mug of coffee and the latest BQ, or paper
 Rivendell Reader.
 Paper magazines feel more relaxing to me, and more enjoyable.
 Less sustainable? I ride for transportation every day and figure
 that's carbon offset for preferring paper magazines.
 Happy riding -

 Amen to this. You can spill coffee on and swat the dog with a paper BQ or
Reader; try that with your iPad! I always print out PDFs that I plan on
reading cover to cover more than once.

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[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread ejg


Great video

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[RBW] Re: another pannier question

2010-04-06 Thread ejg

Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to decide between these and the
Ortliebs.


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 The attachment system Carradice uses is good, I find. I've never had a
 bag fall off or rattle around on me. It takes a little getting used to
 in regards to undoing the hooks, but whatever. As for the carradry
 stuff, it will work as well as any plastic waterproof pannier.

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  Just read through the other pannier post and didn't see any mention
  of  Carradice Carradry panniers

  Anybody using these? Opinions?
  I have a Carradice Nelson saddlebag that I really like, but spring is
  on the way and it rains a bunch in Maine

  Thanks

  EJG

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[RBW] Re: WAS: Diagonapillar NOW: Even Sillier

2010-04-06 Thread Mike

Tilting at Hunqapillars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

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Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Grant

Wow.

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From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com
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Subject: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

Here's a link to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI

Jay, good job. I think that video highlights what's important about
bikes, getting out and riding.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

2010-04-06 Thread Richard

If Gary Fisher's bikes are an indicator of something (?), many years
ago Gary Fisher designed his mountain bikes with what I believe was
called Genesis geometery.  Those bikes had longer top tubes and
shorter stems, and the reviews were generally pretty good.

On Apr 6, 7:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote:

  I have a 56cm bombadil and I agree with Dave;  it seems to be designed
  for a dirt-drop stem if you're using drop bars.

 I will add that with a 10 cm DD stem and 46 cm Noodles, my former Diamond
 Back Axis Team off road fixed gear was one of the nicest handling mountain
 bikes I've owned. I am sure it was due in part to the huge, 60 mm BAs but
 the short, high stem in no way hurt it.

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[RBW] Only apparently off topic: from The Bicycle Runner by G. Franco Romagnoli

2010-04-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE

(Chapter 5, Don Giro.)

At first light of the day, Don Girolamo approaches the end of the square,
takes a deep breath, lifts his cassock, and pisses, paying careful attention
not to hit the curlicues of the railing ... Then he pats his belly a few
times and, in an unhurried and sonorous sequence, first burps and then
breaks wind. ... Reassured that what he sees of his world this day isn't
much different forem the day before, Don Girolamo goes back to his church
and tolls the Matins. Summer or winter, rain or shine, Don Girolamo did not
miss this ritual once. it was his unabashed way of showing gratitude to his
Maker for giving him a functioning, serviceable body. It was like an
engineer's checking of the gauges, a check that he repeated, in reverse
order, every single night before he turned in. That, more or less, was all
the attention he paid to the well being of his body. The rest of  his time
he dedicated to care of the souls of his flock, a care that he gave in very
personal, creative ways. HJe had done this for so long that nobody in
frontale could remember a time without Don Girolamo.  ... His tall, lean
frame was still erect under the weight of his cassock, of his cartridge
belt, and of his ancient, ever-present shotgun. His biretta rested, cocked,
on an unkempt mane of white haie; his eyes were still dark and piercing, and
together with a strong aquiline nose and sucked-in cheeks, gave him an
irrefutable air of messianic power. ... My contacts with Don Girolamo began
very early in my life and religious career. He baptized me ... [My parents]
had chosen for me, because of its aristocratic, romantic lilt ... the name
Gianfranco. ... No such name appeared on the long list of Holy Saints. not
yet, anyway, and the idea that I could ever become one was obviously
precluded. A compromise was reached by splitting the name into its two
component saints. This double name was joined by hyphenation with Saverio.
Don Girolamo's anti-Fascism was expressed by his admiration for Francesco
Saverio Nitti, the last Italian liberal premier before Mussolini. ...

From then on, even if our paths met every year for only a few short, summer
weeks ... Don Girolamo had a great influence on my way of looking at life,
and not necessarily from a religious point of view. I always tried to
emulate his directness of thought and speech, so devoid of hypocrisy ... and
his behavior, so totally ungoverned by the judgement of others ... he
embodied the saying ... to call bread, bread; and wine, wine.

For the latter he had a particular predeliction, which he shared with his
old friend, my noono Nicola. The church of San Paolo e Maria came with a
little orchard and a small vineyard ... the little vineyard produced two
first-quality wines in quantity disproportionate to its size. ... The white
was crisp and clear, a golden-green Verdicchio; and the red the robust,
round and nutritious Rosso Piceno. ... Even in their advanced years, Don
Giro and my grandfather Niccola had long and frequent wine strategy sessions
before, during and after harvest. ... The sessions were held at Nonno's
place at Le Madonnine, in the kitchen just above the cellar with its six
huge casks. After Vespers, Don Grio would trek down the five kilometers from
Frontale, coming by the open fields, hoping to encounter some game to shoot
at. ... The strategy sessions consisted of tasting a glass of the old wine,
commparing it with a glass of the new, rechecking with another to determine
if the aging was proceeding as desired, and then again with a glass for
judging  the color by the light of the candle, and yet another glass to
bounce its taste against the bikes of Domenico's fresh-baked bread and
Nonno's salami and Don Giro's cheese ... It was the tradition that, upon
taking leave of Don Giro, Nonno would ask him to bless us kids. He always
complied by waving an approximate cross gesture in front of our faces ...
and then by giving each of us, with a touch of Latin rumbling deep in his
throat, a gentle tap on the head, a fatherly, loving tap. A blessing.

On the night of the water test [the children tested the priest's greasy
cassock for waterproofness by pouring a canteen of water into a pocket], the
benediction from those long, hard, bony fingers hurt like hell. and the next
day was Confession.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh SNAP!  It was all Jay, solo.  That's something else.


1. I liked the tapping out of the beat. It's a little bit of showing
off but that's just fun.
2. the long shot where he raced by? Definitely good stuff.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands

2010-04-06 Thread RoadieRyan

I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield
is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs,
more than that and it needs some major assistance. I guess for the $8
it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike
balanced.

I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market
rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than
the center mounted greenfield.

On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory
Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like
the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the
Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric
rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly
*certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the
VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter
than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's
good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote:
I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my
wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and
weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have
to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod
wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the
bike stable when the Burley's attached.

--dlloyd

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[RBW] Re: Bombadils and short stems

I don't think handling is the issue.

The Bomba and the Hunq were designed with the thought that some
significant percentage of the riders would use flat bars at least some
of the time.  Most flat bars do not extend forward much beyond the
stem.  If your bike and stem fit right with flat bars, drops will
usually extend beyond your comfort range mounted on the same stem.  So
you need to get a shorter stem for the drops.

Thus with my Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road:  On tour I use Nitto Randos
with a BG Chicken Neck 11 degree 11 mm stem.   For city riding
currently I have Nitto Jitensha bars with an old Cannondale 20 degree
13 mm stem*.  To the extent handling is different between the two
configurations, the fact that I am sitting more upright and am riding
on city streets versus open roads most likely is far more a factor
than the length and rise of stem.

*A BG Chicken Neck will be coming my way after the San Diego bike
show.

On Apr 6, 9:03 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, i've got a Fisher Cobia 29er and it's one of the most comfortable and 
 controllable mountain bikes i've ever ridden, on or off road.  i swapped the 
 short factory stem for an adjustable that's about the same length but 
 adjusted a few degrees higher...  was commuting on it for a while and found 
 that was alleviated hand pressure better when spending an hour dodging LA 
 traffic.  

 echoing comments made about short stems and light ends though, when riding on 
 dirt it's a bit light but still tractive.  though on streets, when starting 
 up from traffic lights i have to watch my gearing or i pop a wheelie :)

 -andrew

 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Richard wrote:



  If Gary Fisher's bikes are an indicator of something (?), many years
  ago Gary Fisher designed his mountain bikes with what I believe was
  called Genesis geometery.  Those bikes had longer top tubes and
  shorter stems, and the reviews were generally pretty good.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and short stems

 Of course, a longer stem would also slow the steering down.  It's
 interesting that the Bombadil doesn't handle as well when used off-
 road--when it is marketed as a mountain bike.

Dave did not say the Bomba does not handle as well off road.  Dave
said as he had it set up, the Bomba was too skittish for technical off
road riding.  Dave will address that with proper handle bars.  Dave
expects the Bomba to perform well once he does.

On Apr 6, 5:44 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Apr 6, 3:56 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:

  I have a 60cm Bombadil and it does indeed have a long top tube for me.

 Thanks for posting.  That is the size I would slot into.

  I seem to recall from the beginning that Grant designed the Bombadil
  with the dirt drop stem in mind. There are few stems shorter than the
  8cm dirt drop.

  My Bombadil has an 8cm dirt drop stem and I've used it fully loaded
  for long distance touring. With 48cm drop bars and front panniers, the
  bike handled predictably and easily. I was amazed at the low speed
  handling *and* stability on fast descents. I have noticed that
  unloaded as an MTB, using relatively narrow flat bars (48cm flat end
  to end), I'm not very comfortable with technical, off road trails. All
  of these trails are ones that I can manage easily on other bikes. The
  steering feels too responsive and I get a little sketched out. I'll be
  putting wider bars on soon - extra bar width should compensate by
  slowing down the steering response a bit.

 Of course, a longer stem would also slow the steering down.  It's
 interesting that the Bombadil doesn't handle as well when used off-
 road--when it is marketed as a mountain bike.

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[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread RoadieRyan

Wonder what kind of bag that is- a Sackville medium or something else

I have some serious fire trail envy what an awesome looking ride!

On Apr 6, 7:34 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Oh SNAP!  It was all Jay, solo.  That's something else.

 1. I liked the tapping out of the beat. It's a little bit of showing
 off but that's just fun.
 2. the long shot where he raced by? Definitely good stuff.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands

I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road.  It works fine with
small to medium size loads.  It is very handy for road side
adjustments.

Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand.  Some guy makes them out of
his garage.  They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent
poles with a open end that fits  where the seat tube and top tube come
together.  The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the
wheel.  It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load.

On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield
 is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs,
 more than that and it needs some major assistance.  I guess for the $8
 it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike
 balanced.

 I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market
 rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than
 the center mounted greenfield.

 On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:



  The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory
  Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like
  the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the
  Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric
  rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly
  *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the
  VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter
  than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's
  good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

  The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my
  shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed
  drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty,
  AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all
  the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd
  put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate
  which just demands to be used.

  On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote:
   I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my
   wife's bike.  The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and
   weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike.  I did 
   have
   to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the 
   bipod
   wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep 
   the
   bike stable when the Burley's attached.

   --dlloyd

   On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

   Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully as
   the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the
   degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you
   prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a 
   set
   screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, if 
   a
   stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably better 
   than
   the Pletscher.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands

2010-04-06 Thread Dave Lloyd

I've heard that wallbike.com carries them, though you have to call as
they're on the website.  Also, they're available here:
http://yubaride.com/yubashop/14-b.html .

I do prefer the Hebie over the Pletcher for functionality, hands down.

The best kickstand I have is the KickBack on my Big Dummy, but that's an
entirely different beast.

--dlloyd


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 The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory
 Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like
 the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the
 Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric
 rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly
 *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the
 VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter
 than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's
 good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

 The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my
 shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed
 drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty,
 AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all
 the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd
 put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate
 which just demands to be used.




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Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:52 PM, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Wonder what kind of bag that is- a Sackville medium or something else

 I have some serious fire trail envy what an awesome looking ride!



I'm more curious about the music right now.

It's great.
-sv

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[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up

2010-04-06 Thread Mitch Browne

Any ideas on size / make of tires on Jay's bike?

On Apr 6, 6:30 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a link to the video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI

 Jay, good job. I think that video highlights what's important about
 bikes, getting out and riding.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands

2010-04-06 Thread Nicholas Grieco


http://www.click-stand.com/

On Apr 6, 7:56 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road.  It works fine with
 small to medium size loads.  It is very handy for road side
 adjustments.

 Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand.  Some guy makes them out of
 his garage.  They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent
 poles with a open end that fits  where the seat tube and top tube come
 together.  The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the
 wheel.  It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load.

 On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:



  I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield
  is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs,
  more than that and it needs some major assistance.  I guess for the $8
  it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike
  balanced.

  I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market
  rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than
  the center mounted greenfield.

  On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

   The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory
   Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like
   the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the
   Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric
   rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly
   *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) 
   the
   VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter
   than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's
   good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

   The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as 
   my
   shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed
   drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty,
   AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel 
   all
   the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? 
   I'd
   put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate
   which just demands to be used.

   On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote:
I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my
wife's bike.  The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality 
and
weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike.  I did 
have
to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the 
bipod
wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep 
the
bike stable when the Burley's attached.

--dlloyd

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully 
as
the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the
degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you
prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a 
set
screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, 
if a
stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably 
better than
the Pletscher.

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands

Yeah, that is the one.  Lucky for him he is not relying on me to do
his marketing.  He comes across as a pretty cool person, into riding.

On Apr 6, 10:09 pm, Nicholas Grieco nicholasgri...@att.net wrote:
 http://www.click-stand.com/

 On Apr 6, 7:56 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:



  I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road.  It works fine with
  small to medium size loads.  It is very handy for road side
  adjustments.

  Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand.  Some guy makes them out of
  his garage.  They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent
  poles with a open end that fits  where the seat tube and top tube come
  together.  The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the
  wheel.  It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load.

  On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:

   I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield
   is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs,
   more than that and it needs some major assistance.  I guess for the $8
   it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike
   balanced.

   I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market
   rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than
   the center mounted greenfield.

   On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and 
cursory
Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced 
like
the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than 
the
Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for 
eccentric
rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and 
certainly
*certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) 
the
VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit 
lighter
than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, 
that's
good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.)

The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store 
as my
shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed
drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of 
plenty,
AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel 
all
the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you 
need? I'd
put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate
which just demands to be used.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote:
 I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my
 wife's bike.  The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build 
 quality and
 weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike.  I 
 did have
 to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the 
 bipod
 wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to 
 keep the
 bike stable when the Burley's attached.

 --dlloyd

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as 
 fully as
 the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust 
 the
 degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you
 prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is 
 a set
 screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, 
 still, if a
 stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably 
 better than
 the Pletscher.

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[RBW] Re: another pannier question

 That being said, i'm thinking of getting a set of the brown LaplanderBags 
 City Waxed Canvas ones cuz they are so darn attractive, and will complete 
 the look of my orange Sam.

Vegan Laplander on the way to me in the mail today.  The design is
great for shopping and short tours where you take the bag off and on
the bike a lot.  Ortliebs are meant for long tours.  Given how well
they hold on the bike, they are relatively easy to get on and off.
But taking two bags off and putting two bags back on shopping can get
tiresome when making multiple stops.  (don't dare leave the bags on
the bike when locked in the city)

On Apr 6, 8:21 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unless I've missed it, most folks have talked about the roll-up Ortliebs.  

 I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, 
 fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc..  they are 
 exceptional, and I've not yet found a rack they didn't adjust to quite well.  
 A little spendy, and a little bit awkward to carry when off the bike (if you 
 need to), but for largish, sturdy, weatherproofish, panniers with lots of 
 reflection and compression to take up the slack, I think they cannot be beat.

 That being said, i'm thinking of getting a set of the brown LaplanderBags 
 City Waxed Canvas ones cuz they are so darn attractive, and will complete 
 the look of my orange Sam.

 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:13 PM, ejg wrote:



  Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to decide between these and the
  Ortliebs.

  On Apr 6, 9:05 pm, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
  The attachment system Carradice uses is good, I find. I've never had a
  bag fall off or rattle around on me. It takes a little getting used to
  in regards to undoing the hooks, but whatever. As for the carradry
  stuff, it will work as well as any plastic waterproof pannier.

  On Apr 6, 7:44 pm, ejg egi...@maine.rr.com wrote:

  Just read through the other pannier post and didn't see any mention
  of  Carradice Carradry panniers

  Anybody using these? Opinions?
  I have a Carradice Nelson saddlebag that I really like, but spring is
  on the way and it rains a bunch in Maine

  Thanks

  EJG

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[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations

2010-04-06 Thread Me

For whatever it's worth:

Three kinds of pannier people...

1.  Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3].

2.  Those that buy Ortlieb first.

3.  Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then
bought their current panniers, Ortlieb.

They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted...

it's just that easy.

Really.


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 Hi,

 I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this
 thread:

 http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html

 which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot
 weather.   What are some good non-waterproof panniers?

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread Tim McNamara



On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 21:27 -0700, doug peterson wrote:

Paper is good.  It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a
bit like Christmas but 4X per year.  An e-mail notice that your new
BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same.  Your current mix
and balance of topics suits me.  I've learned a lot of interesting
stuff reading BQ.


Can't read a PDF in bed or in the bathroom.


You can nowadays with the iPad, Kindle, etc.  I've never used one  
myself.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread Bill Gibson

I bought all the back issues of both the Rivendell Reader (alas, on
pdf, but I recently discovered Staples.com prints and binds pdfs...)
and all the back issues of BQ, and it's been a real education, and not
once have I regretted the cost. I remember some early online essays
that Grant wrote, and I think published in the reader, about the daily
dramas of starting up a business that I really related to, and made me
feel like he was my local bike shop...this when I was living in
Yakima, Washington...the paper versions survived, the online versions
are long, long gone.

So, buy the back issues, support the enterprises, join the debate, and
enjoy the ride I say.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote:
 Jan,

 I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for
 many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them
 frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the
 Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them.

 Looking forward to your next book, too.

 Please keep up the great work.


 Hmm -  buying all the backissues... That's an interesting idea.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way

2010-04-06 Thread Bill Gibson

Oh, and I like the recent tendency to post a lot on the Rivendell
website, too. I go there more often as a result. It's a bit like that
first online presence I found.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought all the back issues of both the Rivendell Reader (alas, on
 pdf, but I recently discovered Staples.com prints and binds pdfs...)
 and all the back issues of BQ, and it's been a real education, and not
 once have I regretted the cost. I remember some early online essays
 that Grant wrote, and I think published in the reader, about the daily
 dramas of starting up a business that I really related to, and made me
 feel like he was my local bike shop...this when I was living in
 Yakima, Washington...the paper versions survived, the online versions
 are long, long gone.

 So, buy the back issues, support the enterprises, join the debate, and
 enjoy the ride I say.

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote:
 Jan,

 I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for
 many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them
 frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the
 Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them.

 Looking forward to your next book, too.

 Please keep up the great work.


 Hmm -  buying all the backissues... That's an interesting idea.

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Re: [RBW] pannier recommendations

2010-04-06 Thread Anne Paulson

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:45 PM, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this
 thread:

 http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html

 which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot
 weather.

Ortlieb sells add-on mesh pockets. I have one, though I haven't yet
put in on one of my rear panniers. I plan to use mine for clothes that
I washed the night before that aren't quite dry yet.

I find Ortlieb panniers superior in every kind of weather.

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