[RBW] FS: Ostrich bag, 10 cm Technomic, iBook G4 at lower price.

2010-06-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Photos at http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#

Prices INCLUDE shipping in CONUS.

1. Ostrich, very little used and very good *except* (a) I cut off the
plastic loops for the strap and (b) there is a bit of superficial -- ie,
does not affect the integrity of the seam -- on the rear right binding.
Comes with VO stem mount decaleur (the stem mounting part not shown, but cut
for my particular Sam Hill) as well as another decaleur part which is meant
for another bar support -- you can see it in the photo. $80 shipped.

2. Technomic, non-deluxe, 10 cm, $35 shipped.

3. That Mac iBook G4 (1.33. 1.25, 60, wireless, ethernet, 2 USB, DVD/CD
burner, Office Pro 2004 with updates, Virtual PC (not installed)), neoprene
case, $250 shipped.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Ostrich bag, 10 cm Technomic, iBook G4 at lower price.

2010-06-21 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:52 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 2. Technomic, non-deluxe, 10 cm, $35 shipped.

26.0 or 25.4?

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Re: [RBW] Thesis, antithesis, synthesis, or, ignorance banish'd

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-06-19 at 19:22 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
 
 So, porteur or low riders? And, what is the best value for each -- I
 mean, brands, models? I know Tubus and Ortlieb are safe bets, but they
 are of course expensive.

Low riders, without a doubt.  Weight as low as possible (and yes, that
means within the bag, too).  The cost difference of best vs crap
lowriders is chump change compared with all the other costs on a tour,
and can easily make the difference between a great and a lousy
experience.  So get the best equipment you can and stop being penny
wise/pound foolish.



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[RBW] Re: Mounting a rack to rear rack braze-ons or dropout eyelets: does it matter?

2010-06-21 Thread Angus
To further the mechanical advantage string...

The load needs to go through the dropout eventually, but, I agree that
shortening the relatively small diameter rack stays is probably a good
idea.  I don't know where the rack bosses are on  your seat stays, but
if it puts the rack stays at 45 degrees or so to the rack you should
be better off.  Makes a nice triangle that way...

Angus

On Jun 21, 12:37 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 The mechanical advantage on the strut side is that any beam's bending
 stiffness is proportional to the inverse of the cube of its length.
 Take any beam of any material, cut it in half, and it becomes 8 times
 stiffer in bending.

 I think it looks way better too, but that's just an opinion.

 On Jun 20, 2:41 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote:



  I've had the Toprack on my Quickbeam setup with the long struts
  running to the dropout eyelets (where I also have fenders hooked into)
  for a while now, but I somehow just noticed that there are of course
  rack braze-ons on the seat stays. Is there any mechanical advantage to
  mounting the struts to the braze-ons rather than the eyelets, or
  should I not worry about messing with cutting and filing the struts
  and all that business?- Hide quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
My similar data-point:
http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/bike-servations.html

That was on a flat route though.


On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote:

 Perception of speed is just that: subjective. Enjoy your ride! To go
 fast, get a good night's sleep, eat  drink well, be well, don't wear
 flappy clothes, find your fast tires (which may or may not the most
 durable). In that order.

 The engine, the air, then tires.  If it's hilly, OK, lose weight, but
 on the open plain, don't worry. On rolling hills extra momentum might
 even help.

 On rough roads, my ancient prejudice has recently been scientifically
 confirmed: fatter, lower pressure tires may seem slower, but aren't;
 the song of tubulars and high pressure skinny tires is a siren song.

 On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  Andrew,
 
  If it were me, changing the tires to a good quality lighter weight
  tire would be the first thing I would do.  Panaracer Paselas (non-
  tourguard) roll reasonably well and relatively inexpensive.  I've got
  32s (measure 28-29) on the Rambouillet and 35s (measure 35) on the
  Quickbeam.  Heavier/more durable tires on the Rambouillet were
  noticeably/measurably slower.
 
  Angus
 
  On Jun 13, 9:17 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi folks,
 
  i loved riding my first century recently, on a Sam Hillborne, but it was
 a pretty slow (though mostly comfortable) push. so the way i have it set up
 it's excellent for city commuting and loaded touring / randonneuring, but
 still think i want a gofast for club/training rides, built up with lighter
 wheels/rubber, etc.
 
  the thing is - the expanded geometry of the Sam fits my build (and that
 of a few other odd ducks who have recently posted) at 5'11 with an 84.5 pbh,
 rounding up.
 
  so - of the current frames new or in circulation, what lightish,
 expandedish frame should i be looking for for?  should i simply try another
 Sam?  maybe a size down with a longer stem?  :)
 
  just musing - but i figured y'all would have some opinions.
 
  thanks,
  andrew
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Father's Day/End of Spring Fun Ride

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
Raining in Seattle

:-)

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote:

 I, too, was planning on a nice looong ride but the rains kept me in
 bed longer than planned.  Did get out for a couple hours though and
 had a great time even though I got soaked. This year if you don't like
 to get wet, you don't ride much...I get wet!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/sets/72157624321517750/



 On Jun 20, 7:53 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ouch
 
  I have a huge ugly bruise on my thigh, but luckily it only hurts if I
 touch
  it, not just moving around
 
  Glad you like the pix, it was a good day out!  Now get better!
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:40 PM, David Faller dfal...@charter.net
 wrote:
   Ah, that looks like a good day.  I sprained my ankle last weekend and
 my
   foot is still polychromatic, so I enjoyed your venture vicariously.
  Thanks
   for sharing!
 
   Dave
 
   On 6/20/2010 6:16 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
 
   Today I was given the gift of no familial responsibilities.  When the
   opportunity to get out and about arises, you have to jump on it.  So
 onto my
   bike I jumped, and slowly pedaled down the road for 26 miles.  Then
 turned
   around and rode the 26 home.  Mostly on the Santa Ana River Trail
 through
   Riverside.  Had perfect weather, although a bit warmer than forecasted
 by
   5F.  VERY few folks out.  I guess more responsible dad's spend time
 with
   their family or something.  No knee pain for those of you keeping
 score at
   home.  It usually kicks in @ around 30 miles.  Today a half century
 and
   nothing.  It's all a mystery...
 
   Pix  witty commentary here:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157624195096619/
 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Ostrich bag, 10 cm Technomic, iBook G4 at lower price.

2010-06-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
26.0

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:52 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  2. Technomic, non-deluxe, 10 cm, $35 shipped.

 26.0 or 25.4?

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[RBW] Re: Noisy Bagman support for Carradice bag

2010-06-21 Thread ejg
Thanks for the suggestions. I just finished the Trek Across Maine with
no squeaking at all.


On Jun 14, 9:56 pm, ejg egi...@maine.rr.com wrote:
 Thanks for the suggestions.
 I ended up greasing it an tightening it. For tightening the tiny side
 set screws Ilifted the bagman to relieve the tension and this enabled
 me to give the side screws a couple of turns.
 Everything seems ok now, but I'll let you know after this weekend

 EJG

 On Jun 13, 9:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  Funny you mention this. While I haven't experienced any creaking I did
  notice I have play with my bagman where the supports enter the piece
  that attaches to the saddle. I did try and tighten these up but they
  appear to be tightened up already. I do think Dave C. offers good
  advice for dealing with your noise. I may disassemble mine later this
  week just to see if the play can be eliminated.

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

2010-06-21 Thread JoelMatthews
 Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

Call Bruce Gordon.

 Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers, nothing
 else beats Ortlieb?

Some people feel strongly about other brands - Arkel especially has a
lot of fans.  Some small shop builders, Lemolo, Swift among them, make
nice panniers with custom options.

Ortlieb are great though.  The mounting hardware is very adjustable.
Once adjusted, Ortliebs are very easy to get on and off.  The material
is rugged and definitely waterproof (my stuff has made it through a
long ride in the rain a lot better than I on several occasions).  The
only problem I ever had is the adjustment lever screw can come loose
when riding long distance.  Of course not really a problem if I just
think to give a second to checking it before riding.

On Jun 21, 11:15 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had my eye on the Tubus Taras, but according to Wayne at
 TheTouringStoredotcom, they fit forks with a 6 1/2 distance between
 mid-fork and dropout braze-ons. The distance on the Sam Hill is just shy of
 9.

 Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

 Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers, nothing
 else beats Ortlieb?

 Thanks, PAM

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool socks for summer

2010-06-21 Thread clyde canter
 I wear the shorty  stripped socks that Riv used to sell almost
exclusively.  Some tips.  You have to have roomy shoes if the socks are
thick.  You should not run around the house in your sock feet. You shouldn't
launder them nearly as often as  cotton or other socks.  They seem to hold
up fairly well if you take the proper precautions.  I just looked at the Riv
site and don't see them anywhere.  I hope they are not discontinuing them.
They are/ were great socks.
Clyde Canter

P
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom M tmil...@att.net wrote:

 Only 30% wool, but these from Duluth Trading wear well:
 http://tinyurl.com/35enzvm.
 I like the Smartwool socks from REI  as well.

 On Jun 19, 10:46 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've used black, very light weight (and, frankly, rather cheaply made)
 all
  wool dress socks from Vermont Country Store for summer riding and, apart
  from having to turn them down to avoid look like a Huge Fred (Look,
 Ma!!!
  There goes a Fred wearing black dress socks and garters!!!), they work
 very
  well. More recently I've been using the usual synthetic cycling specific
  socks simply because they are cut low, but they are no more comfortable
 and
  certainly stink faster than the wools.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
   I've finally decided that life is too short to wear crappy socks. I'm
   not just talking about biking, I'm talking about all the time.
 
   My feet stink to high hell, but I have been wearing these bargain
   basement cotton jobbers, so that's part of the rub.
 
   I love the idea of a 100% wool sock, but I don't know how practical
   that is. Has anyone tried the Kangaroo Socks from Rivendell? Or do you
   have another source for great socks?
 
   Plus, if I could get something in white to wear with shorts, my wife
   would be less inclined to make fun of my sartorial choices.
 
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[RBW] Job Opportunity @ Bruce Gordon Cycles

2010-06-21 Thread Bruce Gordon


The Title says it all

It's on my blog @

http://tinyurl.com/2d2al6u



Regards,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

2010-06-21 Thread Jeff Fry
+1 on Bruce Gordon's racks.

And Heck, while you're calling Bruce about a rack, you might as well look at
his panniers. My impression is that they're very good. He also designs them
specifically for his racks. If you're not planning to use his racks, that's
a minus, but if you are, you get an attachment system that's optimized for
your rack, rather than generalized to do pretty well on every rack.

I like Ortliebs a lot. They're my ideal commuting pannier, since they're
totally waterproof and can fit a lot. The downsides:
1. Since they're more of a loose bag than a stiff, shaped pannier, they move
around some, esp. when not fully stuffed.
2. No pockets.

How much either of those matters to you, you'll have to determine. I'm quite
happy with Ortliebs, but if I were to do another long distance tour, I might
consider something else...and if I did, they'd likely start with Bruce
Gordon.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:26 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

  Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

 Call Bruce Gordon.

  Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers,
 nothing
  else beats Ortlieb?

 Some people feel strongly about other brands - Arkel especially has a
 lot of fans.  Some small shop builders, Lemolo, Swift among them, make
 nice panniers with custom options.

 Ortlieb are great though.  The mounting hardware is very adjustable.
 Once adjusted, Ortliebs are very easy to get on and off.  The material
 is rugged and definitely waterproof (my stuff has made it through a
 long ride in the rain a lot better than I on several occasions).  The
 only problem I ever had is the adjustment lever screw can come loose
 when riding long distance.  Of course not really a problem if I just
 think to give a second to checking it before riding.

 On Jun 21, 11:15 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  I had my eye on the Tubus Taras, but according to Wayne at
  TheTouringStoredotcom, they fit forks with a 6 1/2 distance between
  mid-fork and dropout braze-ons. The distance on the Sam Hill is just shy
 of
  9.
 
  Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?
 
  Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers,
 nothing
  else beats Ortlieb?
 
  Thanks, PAM
 
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[RBW] Ride Report: SDR Coronado 300K

2010-06-21 Thread Esteban
Took the Romulus (28mm Paselas, no fenders -- fyi) on the San Diego
Randonneurs Coronado 300k.

Weather was nice, as would be expected, so I didn't need to carry
much.  The Romulus felt just about perfect, and I love, love the
triple on the front.  Especially after Saturday.  Gearing felt great
and the fast descents very stable, as we'd expect.

Write-up:
http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/sdr-coronado-300k-2010/

Photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157624325655568/

Certainly the hardest ride I've done.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

2010-06-21 Thread mr.trout
tubus sells adapters that will allow you to mount to any fork with
fender eyelets. i think i have one laying around, but they are
available from wiggle as well.
one is essentially hose clamps with a tab for a screw, the other one
is clamps around the blade.
good for tara but not for duo.

On Jun 21, 11:15 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had my eye on the Tubus Taras, but according to Wayne at
 TheTouringStoredotcom, they fit forks with a 6 1/2 distance between
 mid-fork and dropout braze-ons. The distance on the Sam Hill is just shy of
 9.

 Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

 Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers, nothing
 else beats Ortlieb?

 Thanks, PAM

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[RBW] Selling: Nitto Wayback post + Nitto Dynamic Stem + Brooks B17S

2010-06-21 Thread Monica Way
G'day all,

I'm selling a few items this morning.  I'm Bay Area based, and I am happy to
ship anything to you for a small mailing fee.  Paypal works, or cash if we
meet up locally.
*
1. Nitto Wayback lugged seat post (27.2) - $150*–
* Steel
* Lugged
* Beautiful
* 27.2 x 250mm
* Weighs 317.5g
* 30(ish) miles of use
* Photo 1:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15325...@n00/4721503080/in/set-72157624325124300/
* Photo 2 (an attempt to show detail):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15325...@n00/4721503808/in/set-72157624325124300/

*2. Nitto Dynamic Stem - $40*–
* Cold-forged aluminum
* 8cm stem
* Quill length is 150mm
* Quill diameter is 22.2mm
* 26.0mm handlebar clamp
* Weighs 300g
* Brand new, never used, though it did get greased up to be used (but was
the wrong size for my bars)
* Photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15325...@n00/4720851295/in/set-72157624325124300/

*3. Women's B17S Brooks saddle - $80*–
* Honey-brown colored
* Rivets are silver, steel, and machine-set
* 242mm long
* 17cm wide
* Weights 460g
* She's a beauty
* Ever so slight, small scratch near the top left rivet
* 30(ish) miles of use, not broken in
* Photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15325...@n00/4720850947/in/set-72157624325124300/


Ding, ding,

--Monica--



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[RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

2010-06-21 Thread doug peterson
Patrick:

IIRC, you're pretty handy at DIY.  Just add another set of braze-ons
to the fork in the correct location for the Tubus rack.  A bit of
touch up paint  you're on your way.  I did this to my Atlantis fork
as I got tired of screwing around with clamps.  My Riv purist friends
are not overly critical of my hand applied, modeling paint touch up.

dougP

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 I had my eye on the Tubus Taras, but according to Wayne at
 TheTouringStoredotcom, they fit forks with a 6 1/2 distance between
 mid-fork and dropout braze-ons. The distance on the Sam Hill is just shy of
 9.

 Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

 Second question: Am I correct in thinking that, for front panniers, nothing
 else beats Ortlieb?

 Thanks, PAM

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RE: [RBW] do you ever get tired of....

2010-06-21 Thread Frederick, Steve
Nope!  Nor do I tire of folks trying to read the names on my Riv's 
downtubes--Rambouillet and Saluki.  Even Heron seems to be Hear, as often as 
Hair.

Steve 


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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] do you ever get tired of
 
Your friends pronouncing your bike's maker as RivenDALE

Even my cyclist friends do itI can only imagine that Grant and
crew are driven to near madness.

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Re: [RBW] A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread CycloFiend
on 6/21/10 7:13 AM, jandrews_nyc at jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 After some slightly rough riding and shifting last night, I broke a
 spoke on
 my Hillborne.  It's on the rear wheel, drive side.  I've never broken
 a spoke, and am wondering
 if this is something I can attend to myself or should I take it to a
 shop? Does a wheel need to be re-trued  after a broken spoke? I don't
 have a truing stand, so that may make my decision for me. Naturally,
 I'd like to fix it myself unless you all advise against it. Seems like
 a mighty useful skill to have.

My bias is to do everything yourself.  It demystifies things when you are
far from home, scratching your head over an unforseen mechanical situation.
If you know you need to do X, then you can often times figure out a number
of ways to get there.

Driveside spokes are probably the worst to bust, as you will generally not
be able to get them out without removing the cogset.  One benefit of freehub
designs is that this can be a little easier - single tool and wrench rather
than a bench vise.

The other issue is if you broke the spoke through rough shifting, you may
want to check your derailleur limit screws.  If the chain got wedged between
the low sprocket and your spokes, there may be some gouged spokes which did
not fail.  If you run a cotton ball or q-tip along the spoke, you'll see
which one's have gouges pretty easily.   As long as you have the cogset off,
I'd probably replace all the damaged spokes.

If it is more than one spoke, you probably want a competent retruing - using
a real stand and tensioning the wheel back up evenly.  If it's only one
spoke, you can usually make it work, though stress relieving can be
problematic and should probably be checked after a ride or two.

Decent spoke wrenches (as opposed to multi-tool cutouts) are a good
investment.  Truing stands are pretty vital, but you can get pretty close
using the frame, brake and another solid reference point.

Hope that helps,

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
One benefit of freehub designs is that this can be a little easier -
single tool and wrench rather
than a bench vise.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words, but to remove a cassette,
generally you'd need a chain whip (or vise whip!!!), cassette lockring
tool, and a wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. No chainwhip
needed with a freewheel -  maybe just a big adjustable wrench and the
appropriate freewheel tool, assuming the FW threads were greased
before installation and that it hasn't been on there for 25 years.

OTOH, we often see professionally assembled bikes coming in for
repair, where the cassette lockring is barely finger-tight. No tools
required...


On Jun 21, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 6/21/10 7:13 AM, jandrews_nyc at jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:

  After some slightly rough riding and shifting last night, I broke a
  spoke on
  my Hillborne.  It's on the rear wheel, drive side.  I've never broken
  a spoke, and am wondering
  if this is something I can attend to myself or should I take it to a
  shop? Does a wheel need to be re-trued  after a broken spoke? I don't
  have a truing stand, so that may make my decision for me. Naturally,
  I'd like to fix it myself unless you all advise against it. Seems like
  a mighty useful skill to have.

 My bias is to do everything yourself.  It demystifies things when you are
 far from home, scratching your head over an unforseen mechanical situation.
 If you know you need to do X, then you can often times figure out a number
 of ways to get there.

 Driveside spokes are probably the worst to bust, as you will generally not
 be able to get them out without removing the cogset.  One benefit of freehub
 designs is that this can be a little easier - single tool and wrench rather
 than a bench vise.

 The other issue is if you broke the spoke through rough shifting, you may
 want to check your derailleur limit screws.  If the chain got wedged between
 the low sprocket and your spokes, there may be some gouged spokes which did
 not fail.  If you run a cotton ball or q-tip along the spoke, you'll see
 which one's have gouges pretty easily.   As long as you have the cogset off,
 I'd probably replace all the damaged spokes.

 If it is more than one spoke, you probably want a competent retruing - using
 a real stand and tensioning the wheel back up evenly.  If it's only one
 spoke, you can usually make it work, though stress relieving can be
 problematic and should probably be checked after a ride or two.

 Decent spoke wrenches (as opposed to multi-tool cutouts) are a good
 investment.  Truing stands are pretty vital, but you can get pretty close
 using the frame, brake and another solid reference point.

 Hope that helps,

 - Jim

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 Current Classics - Cross Bikes
 Singlespeed - Working Bikes

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 rode metal.  He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame.
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Re: [RBW] Re: A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 12:17 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 One benefit of freehub designs is that this can be a little easier -
 single tool and wrench rather
 than a bench vise.
 
 Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words, but to remove a cassette,
 generally you'd need a chain whip (or vise whip!!!), cassette lockring
 tool, and a wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. No chainwhip
 needed with a freewheel -  maybe just a big adjustable wrench and the
 appropriate freewheel tool, assuming the FW threads were greased
 before installation and that it hasn't been on there for 25 years.


And a bench vise and a six foot long cheater bar as well.  That's what
it took to get the last freewheel off my tandem.

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Re: [RBW] Re: A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread Eric Norris
Faced with a recalcitrant freewheel, I always found it easiest to clamp the 
freewheel tool into the vice and then grab the wheel and turn it.  The leverage 
in the wheel itself was always enough.

--Eric

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 21, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 12:17 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 One benefit of freehub designs is that this can be a little easier -
 single tool and wrench rather
 than a bench vise.
 
 Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words, but to remove a cassette,
 generally you'd need a chain whip (or vise whip!!!), cassette lockring
 tool, and a wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. No chainwhip
 needed with a freewheel -  maybe just a big adjustable wrench and the
 appropriate freewheel tool, assuming the FW threads were greased
 before installation and that it hasn't been on there for 25 years.
 
 
 And a bench vise and a six foot long cheater bar as well.  That's what
 it took to get the last freewheel off my tandem.
 
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[RBW] Noodles and Cantis for sale

2010-06-21 Thread Ken Mattina
Hi All,

I have a couple of things that might be of interest for sale.

44cm Nitto noodle handlebar, brand new.  $40

Origin8 Pro Force silver high profile cantilever brakes (front  rear),
brand new $40

Prices do not include shipping.

Please respond offlist.

Thanks

Ken


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RE: [RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

2010-06-21 Thread Bruce Gordon


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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:26 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Lowriders to fit Sam Hill

 Can anyone recommend a sturdy lowrider front for a fork like this?

Call Bruce Gordon.

I am just finishing a modification to our standard Lowrider front rack.

It will mount to 5mm mid-fork brazeons such as a Surly LHT or forks where
the distance from the droupout eyelet to the mid-fork Braze on is 165mm
There is a little adjustment so it could fit from 155mm to 175mm.

I will have them ready to ship in 2 to 3 weeks.

Regards,
Bruce Gordon
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: SDR Coronado 300K

2010-06-21 Thread Jim M.
Nice write-up and pics! Didn't you do the Death Valley double? Was
this 300k tougher than that?


On Jun 21, 10:47 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Certainly the hardest ride I've done.

 Esteban
 San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Mojo
I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
(as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
the future?

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[RBW] Re: Noodles and Cantis for sale

2010-06-21 Thread Ken Mattina
The noodles have sold thanks to all who replied.

Ken

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have a couple of things that might be of interest for sale.

 44cm Nitto noodle handlebar, brand new.  $40

 Origin8 Pro Force silver high profile cantilever brakes (front  rear),
 brand new $40

 Prices do not include shipping.

 Please respond offlist.

 Thanks

 Ken


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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: SDR Coronado 300K

2010-06-21 Thread Esteban
Yea - the Death Valley Double was intense - the time limits are less
generous for Triple Crown events, so I was a little stressed about
making the limit in DV, even though I cleared the limit by a few
hours.  I'd highly recommend the DV rides.  With little traffic and no
stoplights, its about as pure as it gets.

But this brevet was mostly self-supported and had more climbing,
although RidewithGPS may have over-estimated a bit.  Some of the other
riders measured 190 miles.  The variety of terrain was absolutely
wonderful.

Regardless of distance or elevation, most of you know what it feels
like during a ride where every view of an upcoming climb evokes a
curse word.  That's where I was for about 80 miles!

Somehow, it was wonderful!

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jun 21, 1:43 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nice write-up and pics! Didn't you do the Death Valley double? Was
 this 300k tougher than that?

 On Jun 21, 10:47 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:





  Certainly the hardest ride I've done.

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread doug peterson
Years ago I picked up a small tool called a Hyper-cracker for
loosening cassette rings.  It does require removal of the wheel 
skewer; slip the tool into the lock ring; reinstall skewer  wheel,
with the tool's lever arm in the correct location against the frame.
With the bike in low gear, you just turn the pedals a small amount to
loosen the lock ring.  Remove everything again to remove the
cassette.  It's a bit tedious for shop work but worth taking along on
a tour.

dougP

On Jun 21, 1:09 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 Faced with a recalcitrant freewheel, I always found it easiest to clamp the 
 freewheel tool into the vice and then grab the wheel and turn it.  The 
 leverage in the wheel itself was always enough.

 --Eric

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 21, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:



  On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 12:17 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
  One benefit of freehub designs is that this can be a little easier -
  single tool and wrench rather
  than a bench vise.

  Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words, but to remove a cassette,
  generally you'd need a chain whip (or vise whip!!!), cassette lockring
  tool, and a wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. No chainwhip
  needed with a freewheel -  maybe just a big adjustable wrench and the
  appropriate freewheel tool, assuming the FW threads were greased
  before installation and that it hasn't been on there for 25 years.

  And a bench vise and a six foot long cheater bar as well.  That's what
  it took to get the last freewheel off my tandem.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: SDR Coronado 300K

2010-06-21 Thread William
4th to finish on a 300K on a whim.  That's epic hardman

On Jun 21, 2:26 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yea - the Death Valley Double was intense - the time limits are less
 generous for Triple Crown events, so I was a little stressed about
 making the limit in DV, even though I cleared the limit by a few
 hours.  I'd highly recommend the DV rides.  With little traffic and no
 stoplights, its about as pure as it gets.

 But this brevet was mostly self-supported and had more climbing,
 although RidewithGPS may have over-estimated a bit.  Some of the other
 riders measured 190 miles.  The variety of terrain was absolutely
 wonderful.

 Regardless of distance or elevation, most of you know what it feels
 like during a ride where every view of an upcoming climb evokes a
 curse word.  That's where I was for about 80 miles!

 Somehow, it was wonderful!

 Esteban
 San Diego, Calif.

 On Jun 21, 1:43 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:



  Nice write-up and pics! Didn't you do the Death Valley double? Was
  this 300k tougher than that?

  On Jun 21, 10:47 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

   Certainly the hardest ride I've done.

   Esteban
   San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Justin August
I thought the Citi was just the successor/updated Metro. Bummer. Looks
like you might need to get a non-helmut specific rain cover...

On Jun 21, 5:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
 round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
 Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
 on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
 lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
 be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
 lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
 large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
 any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

 I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
 (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
 snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

 So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
 the future?

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: SDR Coronado 300K

2010-06-21 Thread Esteban
Well, I was somewhere above 15 hours so I wasn't flyin'!  Mostly a
lot of enjoy'n.

On Jun 21, 3:31 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 4th to finish on a 300K on a whim.  That's epic hardman

 On Jun 21, 2:26 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:



  Yea - the Death Valley Double was intense - the time limits are less
  generous for Triple Crown events, so I was a little stressed about
  making the limit in DV, even though I cleared the limit by a few
  hours.  I'd highly recommend the DV rides.  With little traffic and no
  stoplights, its about as pure as it gets.

  But this brevet was mostly self-supported and had more climbing,
  although RidewithGPS may have over-estimated a bit.  Some of the other
  riders measured 190 miles.  The variety of terrain was absolutely
  wonderful.

  Regardless of distance or elevation, most of you know what it feels
  like during a ride where every view of an upcoming climb evokes a
  curse word.  That's where I was for about 80 miles!

  Somehow, it was wonderful!

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif.

  On Jun 21, 1:43 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

   Nice write-up and pics! Didn't you do the Death Valley double? Was
   this 300k tougher than that?

   On Jun 21, 10:47 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

Certainly the hardest ride I've done.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread J L
Hello all,

I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
there is someplace in-state that would be better.

-Jason

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[RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread doug peterson
Jason:

Since you're in the Bay area, check with Riv.  Also, go on the SS
website to locate an approved installer.

FWIW, years ago Riv  I had a long series of conversations regarding a
custom with SS as I too enjoy touring in areas where shipping the
bike is essential.  Executive summary is they talked me out of
spending a ton of extra money I was prepared to part with (how many
businesses do that??) and I got a standard issue Atlantis.  I've never
regretted the decision.

The SS system is beautiful but it is somewhat tedious (I've packed an
SS bike) to use.  Also, the only thing that will fit in the case is
the bike.  Racks, helmet, etc need their own luggage.  If you're
planning a lot of international travel, it may pay off.  Be aware some
airlines charge for a bicycle even if the case is within the 62
limit.  Unfair but true.

dougP

On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
 I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
 SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
 getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
 to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
 there is someplace in-state that would be better.

 -Jason

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[RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread S.Cutshall
Lots of great choices for SS retro-fits, but my two strongest votes
would go to:

Bilenky in Philly [they do a ton and can -also- do your paint work
too]

Bob Brown in St. Paul, MN [also does a ton of retro-fits too, and does
great paint as well].

**Disclaimer: Know both fellas, both are friends, that said though...
both DO great work on coupler retro-fits + re-paints**

-Scott

On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
 I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
 SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
 getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
 to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
 there is someplace in-state that would be better.

 -Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread Timothy Whalen
No doubt the airlines are chargaholics but I have flown a dozen times at
least with an SS hard case containing bike and never been charged.  At most
they measure it to see if it is within the size limits.  I have found that
turning it in curbside doesn't even get that.  Curbside workers seem to me
to be the most uniformly common sense and user friendly folks - the rest are
hit or miss.

Tim

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:03 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Jason:

 Since you're in the Bay area, check with Riv.  Also, go on the SS
 website to locate an approved installer.

 FWIW, years ago Riv  I had a long series of conversations regarding a
 custom with SS as I too enjoy touring in areas where shipping the
 bike is essential.  Executive summary is they talked me out of
 spending a ton of extra money I was prepared to part with (how many
 businesses do that??) and I got a standard issue Atlantis.  I've never
 regretted the decision.

 The SS system is beautiful but it is somewhat tedious (I've packed an
 SS bike) to use.  Also, the only thing that will fit in the case is
 the bike.  Racks, helmet, etc need their own luggage.  If you're
 planning a lot of international travel, it may pay off.  Be aware some
 airlines charge for a bicycle even if the case is within the 62
 limit.  Unfair but true.

 dougP

 On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the
 bike.
  I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to
 use
  SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations
 about
  getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the
 re-paint
  to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
  there is someplace in-state that would be better.
 
  -Jason

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[RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread Perry Rubey
Steve Rex in Sacramento

On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
 I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
 SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
 getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
 to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
 there is someplace in-state that would be better.

 -Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread Ken Mattina
Here's another vote for Stephen Belinky.  Nice guy to work with.

He has specials every once and a while and will knock a hundred bucks off of
the price of a retrofit.

If you're not in a rush, check with him to see when the next special will
run.

Ken

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:09 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lots of great choices for SS retro-fits, but my two strongest votes
 would go to:

 Bilenky in Philly [they do a ton and can -also- do your paint work
 too]

 Bob Brown in St. Paul, MN [also does a ton of retro-fits too, and does
 great paint as well].

 **Disclaimer: Know both fellas, both are friends, that said though...
 both DO great work on coupler retro-fits + re-paints**

 -Scott

 On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the
 bike.
  I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to
 use
  SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations
 about
  getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the
 re-paint
  to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
  there is someplace in-state that would be better.
 
  -Jason

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread S.Cutshall
Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
request?].

I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].

Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].

-Scott

On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
 round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
 Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
 on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
 lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
 be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
 lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
 large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
 any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

 I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
 (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
 snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

 So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
 the future?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-06-21 Thread Johnny Alien
One last try.  They have new sets in at Riv but they won't be ready
for awhile and they won't be the raw finish (which I like).  If anyone
wants a larger set or one that isn't raw hit me up and I will take
yours and give you money for a new set :)

Or maybe someone decided they simply don't like their set??

On Jun 13, 8:24 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Nice looking ride!

 
 From: Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 7:14:14 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

 As you can see my ride is begging for the Bullmoose bars. I got the
 Big Apples, Mini Nitto, and MKS Sneaker pedals already on it!

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1993%20Bridgesto...

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Re: [RBW] Re: A first for me...

2010-06-21 Thread CycloFiend
on 6/21/10 12:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery at thill@gmail.com
wrote:

 One benefit of freehub designs is that this can be a little easier -
 single tool and wrench rather
 than a bench vise.
 
 Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words, but to remove a cassette,
 generally you'd need a chain whip (or vise whip!!!), cassette lockring
 tool, and a wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. No chainwhip
 needed with a freewheel -  maybe just a big adjustable wrench and the
 appropriate freewheel tool, assuming the FW threads were greased
 before installation and that it hasn't been on there for 25 years.

Whoops! Thanks for catching my imprecise description.  As you describe,
three separate bits: Chain Whip, Lockring Tool, Wrench.

Oh, and torque.  Gotta have torque...

As far as preferring a freehub to freewheel for removal...For some reason,
grease and such appropriately applied, I've yet to have a freewheel which
didn't have to be taken off via the clamp the tool in the bench vise
(secured by the slightly loose QR) and turn the wheel method.

Of course, most of those were mtb freewheels, and low-geared climbing will
get those things on, but good.
 
 OTOH, we often see professionally assembled bikes coming in for
 repair, where the cassette lockring is barely finger-tight. No tools
 required..

Done that, too. ;^)

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Clayton Scott
If Scott can't find his. I have one too. Worn once but looks like new.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:16 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
 xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
 last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
 else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
 request?].

 I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
 unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].

 Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].

 -Scott

 On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
  round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
  Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
  on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
  lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
  be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
  lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
  large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
  any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.
 
  I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
  (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
  snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.
 
  So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
  the future?

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Johnny Alien
If he takes one and anyone has another good condition one in a medium
they would like to get rid of shoot me a message.

On Jun 21, 7:36 pm, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote:
 If Scott can't find his. I have one too. Worn once but looks like new.



 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:16 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
  xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
  last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
  else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
  request?].

  I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
  unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].

  Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].

  -Scott

  On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
   I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
   round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
   Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
   on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
   lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
   be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
   lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
   large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
   any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

   I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
   (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
   snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

   So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
   the future?

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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Clayton Scott
Mine is a large in black.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.netwrote:

 If he takes one and anyone has another good condition one in a medium
 they would like to get rid of shoot me a message.

 On Jun 21, 7:36 pm, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote:
  If Scott can't find his. I have one too. Worn once but looks like new.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:16 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
   Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
   xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
   last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
   else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
   request?].
 
   I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
   unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].
 
   Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].
 
   -Scott
 
   On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would
 take
any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.
 
I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
(as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.
 
So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
the future?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Jon Grant
S.Cutshall wrote:
Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
xtras, brand new and unopened.

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Ah, yes ‹ the magic basement.

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread Mojo
Wow Scott and Clayton, Thanks. I would be quite happy to pay you full
retail for a treasured (by me) large Metro.

On Jun 21, 5:16 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
 xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
 last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
 else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
 request?].

 I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
 unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].

 Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].

 -Scott

 On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
  round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
  Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
  on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
  lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
  be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
  lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
  large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
  any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

  I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
  (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
  snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

  So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
  the future?- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
If you like 'em that much, you should probably get both of them.

Isn't that one of the Rivendell maxims:  If you like something, buy a
lifetime's supply.  Because soon enough they'll stop making them.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Wow Scott and Clayton, Thanks. I would be quite happy to pay you full
 retail for a treasured (by me) large Metro.

 On Jun 21, 5:16 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
  xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
  last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
  else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
  request?].
 
  I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
  unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].
 
  Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].
 
  -Scott
 
  On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 
   I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
   round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
   Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
   on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
   lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
   be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
   lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
   large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
   any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.
 
   I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
   (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
   snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.
 
   So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
   the future?- Hide quoted text -
 
  - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread S.Cutshall
The 'Magic Basement' has failed this time.

Mojo [can't say I've ever known someone named Mojo in this
lifetime]...

No new Metro, according to wife: Given to friend in Minneapolis when
we moved away... , but we do have a Metro in black [looking very
lightly used, but I cannot find the sizing anywhere inside it] you're
welcome to have.

I'll post fotos when I get back from my ride.

-Scott

On Jun 21, 5:21 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 S.Cutshall wrote:

 Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
 xtras, brand new and unopened.

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread S.Cutshall
True, dat...

but I thought that only applied to Pine Tar soap and Hemp Twine?

Or, did I misread something somewhere?

-Scott

On Jun 21, 6:13 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you like 'em that much, you should probably get both of them.

 Isn't that one of the Rivendell maxims:  If you like something, buy a
 lifetime's supply.  Because soon enough they'll stop making them.



 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Wow Scott and Clayton, Thanks. I would be quite happy to pay you full
  retail for a treasured (by me) large Metro.

  On Jun 21, 5:16 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
   Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
   xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
   last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
   else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
   request?].

   I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
   unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].

   Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].

   -Scott

   On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my extra
on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will probably
be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So a
lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields no
large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would take
any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.

I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large head
(as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.

So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update in
the future?- Hide quoted text -

   - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: What happened to the Bell Metro?

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
I think it's one of those universal truths espoused around the time Brooks
was at risk of going out of business (Y2K?).  You can apply it to everything
from striped wool socks to TA Zephyr cranksets (and Bell Metro helmets!).

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:22 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:

 True, dat...

 but I thought that only applied to Pine Tar soap and Hemp Twine?

 Or, did I misread something somewhere?

 -Scott

 On Jun 21, 6:13 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  If you like 'em that much, you should probably get both of them.
 
  Isn't that one of the Rivendell maxims:  If you like something, buy a
  lifetime's supply.  Because soon enough they'll stop making them.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
   Wow Scott and Clayton, Thanks. I would be quite happy to pay you full
   retail for a treasured (by me) large Metro.
 
   On Jun 21, 5:16 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
Lemme check our basement... I think we might have a Metro w/all the
xtras, brand new and unopened.  If we didn't give it away before our
last move, you can have it for free [pay something forward to someone
else at some point, if that's okay and not too pushy of me to
request?].
 
I stopped wearing a helmet last year, so I think we might have a new
unopened Metro [and I know for certain we have my used one].
 
Actually, I'll ask my wife [she's the Keeper of All-Things-Basement].
 
-Scott
 
On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I love my large Metro, its mirror, the back strap for a blinky, the
 round shape, the snaps for a rain cover. I stocked up on an extra
 Metro last year, or the year before. Well a house guest used my
 extra
 on the hard-pack desert trail north of Fruita. My bike was OK, his
 lips only needed $1265 worth of stitches and the tooth will
 probably
 be saved, but...horrors!...the helmet's front foam was cracked. So
 a
 lengthy search on the net, including Rivbike.com of course, yields
 no
 large Metro available in the virtual world. At this point I would
 take
 any color though I was always partial to the white or titanium.
 
 I know, there is the Citi that will just fit my obscenely large
 head
 (as my mother likes to remind me on my birthday). But it lacks the
 snaps I need for the rain cover for winter riding.
 
 So does anyone know? Does Bell plan to offer a Metro or an update
 in
 the future?- Hide quoted text -
 
- Show quoted text -
 
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[RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread JL
Thanks for all the recommendations.



On Jun 21, 4:15 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's another vote for Stephen Belinky.  Nice guy to work with.

 He has specials every once and a while and will knock a hundred bucks off of
 the price of a retrofit.

 If you're not in a rush, check with him to see when the next special will
 run.

 Ken



 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:09 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lots of great choices for SS retro-fits, but my two strongest votes
  would go to:

  Bilenky in Philly [they do a ton and can -also- do your paint work
  too]

  Bob Brown in St. Paul, MN [also does a ton of retro-fits too, and does
  great paint as well].

  **Disclaimer: Know both fellas, both are friends, that said though...
  both DO great work on coupler retro-fits + re-paints**

  -Scott

  On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello all,

   I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the
  bike.
   I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to
  use
   SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations
  about
   getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the
  re-paint
   to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
   there is someplace in-state that would be better.

   -Jason

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-06-21 Thread JoelMatthews
Sorry cannot help.

 They have new sets in at Riv but they won't be ready for awhile and they 
 won't be the raw finish

This set me wondering what else may have arrived from Nitto.  Perhaps
the steel drops and old French style seat post?  One can hope.

On Jun 21, 6:21 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 One last try.  They have new sets in at Riv but they won't be ready
 for awhile and they won't be the raw finish (which I like).  If anyone
 wants a larger set or one that isn't raw hit me up and I will take
 yours and give you money for a new set :)

 Or maybe someone decided they simply don't like their set??

 On Jun 13, 8:24 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Nice looking ride!

  
  From: Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 7:14:14 PM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

  As you can see my ride is begging for the Bullmoose bars. I got the
  Big Apples, Mini Nitto, and MKS Sneaker pedals already on it!

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1993%20Bridgesto...

  On Jun 5, 12:08 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

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Re: [RBW] where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread Gino Zahnd
Steve Rex did my Saluki, and Russ Pickett repainted the areas that
needed it. Mine is a custom one-off metallic, and he matched it
flawlessly.

You won't find a better team to do it, and they're 90 minutes from SF.

-gino

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
 I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
 SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
 getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
 to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
 there is someplace in-state that would be better.

 -Jason

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: 600k on Travelo, Pari Motos

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
An excellent outing and observations!  Those Pari Motos are establishing a
real solid reputation!

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Ted Durant teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 An item on my bucket list for a while has been to ride from here
 (Milwaukee) to my alma mater, Carleton College, in Northfield, MN. It's just
 shy of 600k, and it can involve any mix you'd like of gravel and pavement.
 It took me a while to assemble the equipment and the courage, but I finally
 did it. A week and a half earlier I had done a 9 hour 200k and felt pretty
 good about it. So, I mounted my new front wheel from Peter White, plus a set
 of tan Pari Motos from Sean at Rawland Cycles (located, not coincidentally,
 in Northfield, MN). A couple of commutes confirmed that the Pari Motos
 deserve their reputation. They feel lots faster than the Fatty Rumpkins they
 replaced. Mostly I've been riding Maxy Fastys, but I wanted more volume for
 this trip.

 It was a memorable experience. I was able to complete the ride in 28h 30m.
 I'm working on a full report with pictures, but I need to figure out the
 best way to put them on the web. It was a long ride. It's a long report. If
 you want to see just the pictures, they're at
 http://gallery.me.com/teddurant#100040

 Main take-aways for this group are:
 Pari Motos are da bomb. Close to half of the 600k was on gravel/crushed
 limestone, and they flew over it, had no flats, and show no sign of wear.
 The Travelo, a Bleriot Protovelo, is a fabulous bike for this sort of
 thing.
 Vaseline is your friend. Don't spare it.
 Tevas are good, but I'm not sure they're a good idea for that much
 distance.
 Home-made fruitnut bars with a bit of candied ginger (and chocolate, of
 course) seem to work really well for me.
 Riding on a tree-lined rail-trail at night is creepy and boring and not
 really much fun.
 The Hardees on the UM-Winona campus is open 24 hours and has very
 interesting people in it at 2am.

 Happy riding!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee, WI, USA

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[RBW] Re: where to SS?

2010-06-21 Thread RonLau
Jason,

IMHO, Bilenky has been doing them since day one.  They can do that
almost in their sleep.

Others will do a fine job as well.  If you want any changes to the
frame (fork, braze on...), now is the time.  Also, they can crave the
couplers (more $) style after the lugs of your frame.  Like my wife's
bike

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=66038id=1270865604

Disclaimer: Bilenky is a friend of mine.



On Jun 21, 3:49 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am at the point with my Saluki that I would like to travel with the bike.
 I have decided that pros and cons weighted the best option for me is to use
 SS couplers.  I am in San Francisco, what are peoples recommendations about
 getting the frame SS converted?  After it is done I would like the re-paint
 to be done well - if that changes anything.  I would gladly ship but if
 there is someplace in-state that would be better.

 -Jason

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[RBW] Ride Report: 600k on Travelo, Pari Motos

2010-06-21 Thread Ted Durant
An item on my bucket list for a while has been to ride from here  
(Milwaukee) to my alma mater, Carleton College, in Northfield, MN.  
It's just shy of 600k, and it can involve any mix you'd like of gravel  
and pavement. It took me a while to assemble the equipment and the  
courage, but I finally did it. A week and a half earlier I had done a  
9 hour 200k and felt pretty good about it. So, I mounted my new front  
wheel from Peter White, plus a set of tan Pari Motos from Sean at  
Rawland Cycles (located, not coincidentally, in Northfield, MN). A  
couple of commutes confirmed that the Pari Motos deserve their  
reputation. They feel lots faster than the Fatty Rumpkins they  
replaced. Mostly I've been riding Maxy Fastys, but I wanted more  
volume for this trip.


It was a memorable experience. I was able to complete the ride in 28h  
30m. I'm working on a full report with pictures, but I need to figure  
out the best way to put them on the web. It was a long ride. It's a  
long report. If you want to see just the pictures, they're at

http://gallery.me.com/teddurant#100040

Main take-aways for this group are:
Pari Motos are da bomb. Close to half of the 600k was on gravel/ 
crushed limestone, and they flew over it, had no flats, and show no  
sign of wear.
The Travelo, a Bleriot Protovelo, is a fabulous bike for this sort of  
thing.

Vaseline is your friend. Don't spare it.
Tevas are good, but I'm not sure they're a good idea for that much  
distance.
Home-made fruitnut bars with a bit of candied ginger (and chocolate,  
of course) seem to work really well for me.
Riding on a tree-lined rail-trail at night is creepy and boring and  
not really much fun.
The Hardees on the UM-Winona campus is open 24 hours and has very  
interesting people in it at 2am.


Happy riding!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI, USA

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