[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
That sounds kind of odd to me. I use a 107 BB with a Sugino and never had crank arm interference. Actually I've used three different Sugino triple cranks and one FSA square taper crank with the 107mm sized BB and no problems at all. I'll bet that bottom bracket or the crank arm is machined over sized slightly, making for a bad fit. A 107mm BB spindle ought to be a 107mm regardless of brand. On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O Report and Video
And not stampede of irate bulls! Good times in OC! On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: René and Jim, Thank you! The camera is a Flip UltraHD, and the little tripod that goes with it was a huge help. I edited (which was the first time I ever used it) with the iMovie app that came preinstalled on my Mac, super easy to use and have a nice looking final product. -Andy On Jul 3, 9:49 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice takes! Is that an HD Flip? The image quality was superb. Beautiful takes and beautiful bike! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Racer Brake Pads
Whatever Paul ships with the Racers is what I am running. I believe Steve P. said what they were. -Scott On Jul 4, 10:24 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: Whoa, hold on. Scott, are those the Mountain pads or the Road pads you installed there? Point may be moot, as Riv is out of the Yokozuna cartridge in the mountain version, which from the pics looks to be what I need. Rob in Seattle On Jul 4, 2010, at 6:29 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: Yep, they do [just installed my Racers a coupla days back]. And they are fine pads too, so I say, Stick wit what brung ya to the dance. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bikes in Europe
I happen to be in England at the moment. A fair number of folks cycling, even in heavy traffic. I didn't bring a Rivendell with me this time, we'll see how the local cycle hire place goes. Angus On Jul 4, 10:50 am, kcwc10 kcastle...@gmail.com wrote: Greeting, We just returned from a trip to England, France, Italy, and Germany, where, of course, I had my eye on all the bikes. Less eye candy, more working bikes with lots of beausage. Germany had the greatest variety of kinds of bikes on the road; saw double top tubes, tandems with wedgie in back, bent in front, lots of internal gears and dynamo front hubs, but most notably, large frames, fattish tires, fenders, and high handlebars. :-) Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] July 4th ride
Not exactly epic, but very enjoyable nonetheless: 16 miles in hilly countryside, of which 8 were climbing and 5-6 standing climbing, I did gear down to a 65 gear and switched back to the 75 for the last leg, mostly downhill. Great fun! 1999 Joe Starck custom 571 bsd road fixed gear (17 3/4 lb with Look KEO pedals and no carbon fiber).. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] hello newbee here.
Welcome to the fold. Don't worry about the technical details; the people at Rivendell do a great job of steering your right. The bikes are beautiful and wonderfully functional. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Tiny Dancer tinydancer5...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi everyone! What a busy list. I joined because I want to buy a new Rivendell when money allows. I need one for grocery gettin' and taking the dog to the vet, some of our local trailnet rides and some radonnuering rides. I picked the Sam as I will do some light touring/camping and love my roadie's config. It's a Lemond Versailles WSD '08. I don't know alot about components just alittle about shimano and was recommended to get at least shimano 105 which now I'd like to upgrade that. I also love mbiking, have a Specialized FSR for that and a Bridgestone T700 touring bike that's 24 yrs old. So most of what you guys are talking about is mumbo jumbo to me. I looked up barcons but don't really know what lugs or braised stuff are..yet! Oh I want the pretty orange with the hammered fenders. And I have to be in the drops. I'm also getting a folder too, bike friday to commute to work as anything left outside my job would get stolen. I'm petite so usually go with the wsd config on bikes. Any suggestions, or tips would be greatly appreciated. I like in the st louis area in IL, work in the city. I think Rivendell bikes are beautiful. xx,janine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
I have a set of Suginos on my bike. A not terribly good pic here: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs534.snc3/30288_1502481239577_1160592711_31456699_5981294_n.jpg Found a product pic here: http://www.qbike.com/product/s/Sugino-RD-5000-Direct-Drive-Road-Crankset.shtml As far as I can tell, they are Alpina's with a pipe bottom bracket, but other than that, they have a more traditional look. I got them used off of ebay, they came with cheap-o Sugino rings and Tange bearing cups, so I swapped the rings with older style Ultegra rings (for a 52/42/30), and I picked up a set of Dura Ace BB cups, which work fine. I like them a lot, meaning that I installed them and don't have to think about them. I'd like to find the same cranks in a 110 double; I'd like to try running a 34/46 compact double. Pete On Jun 28, 11:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
What is the Q on your cranks? On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I have a set of Suginos on my bike. A not terribly good pic here: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs534.snc3/30288_1502481239577_1160592711_31456699_5981294_n.jpg Found a product pic here: http://www.qbike.com/product/s/Sugino-RD-5000-Direct-Drive-Road-Crankset.shtml As far as I can tell, they are Alpina's with a pipe bottom bracket, but other than that, they have a more traditional look. I got them used off of ebay, they came with cheap-o Sugino rings and Tange bearing cups, so I swapped the rings with older style Ultegra rings (for a 52/42/30), and I picked up a set of Dura Ace BB cups, which work fine. I like them a lot, meaning that I installed them and don't have to think about them. I'd like to find the same cranks in a 110 double; I'd like to try running a 34/46 compact double. Pete On Jun 28, 11:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Here they are in a Compact double: http://pnkn.ws/cSqNRU On Jul 5, 9:44 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I have a set of Suginos on my bike. A not terribly good pic here: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs534.snc3/30288_15024812... Found a product pic here: http://www.qbike.com/product/s/Sugino-RD-5000-Direct-Drive-Road-Crank... As far as I can tell, they are Alpina's with a pipe bottom bracket, but other than that, they have a more traditional look. I got them used off of ebay, they came with cheap-o Sugino rings and Tange bearing cups, so I swapped the rings with older style Ultegra rings (for a 52/42/30), and I picked up a set of Dura Ace BB cups, which work fine. I like them a lot, meaning that I installed them and don't have to think about them. I'd like to find the same cranks in a 110 double; I'd like to try running a 34/46 compact double. Pete On Jun 28, 11:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
if you look here: http://aebike.com/model-list/shimano-b367/cranksets-t181-qc30.htm almost all levels of Shimano come in an external bearing triple config. On Jul 5, 8:04 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Here they are in a Compact double:http://pnkn.ws/cSqNRU On Jul 5, 9:44 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I have a set of Suginos on my bike. A not terribly good pic here: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs534.snc3/30288_15024812... Found a product pic here: http://www.qbike.com/product/s/Sugino-RD-5000-Direct-Drive-Road-Crank... As far as I can tell, they are Alpina's with a pipe bottom bracket, but other than that, they have a more traditional look. I got them used off of ebay, they came with cheap-o Sugino rings and Tange bearing cups, so I swapped the rings with older style Ultegra rings (for a 52/42/30), and I picked up a set of Dura Ace BB cups, which work fine. I like them a lot, meaning that I installed them and don't have to think about them. I'd like to find the same cranks in a 110 double; I'd like to try running a 34/46 compact double. Pete On Jun 28, 11:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
Few questions on this one... Does the VO BB have an asymmetrical spindle? Or are you sure that the bb cartridge is correctly seated against the cup? Are you talking about the Grand Cru or the Threadless version? Have you measured the bb spindle to make sure it is as advertised? - Jim On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
JIS tapers can and do vary from brand to brand. Some of the tapers fit in further than others. From my experience, they can vary as much as 4mm total, or 2mm each side. Couple of things. 1. Did you measure the actual length of the VO BB? 2. Did you try using a 2mm driveside spacer underneath the BB cup? 2. What's the chainline w/Truvative 113mm BB ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
that frame is clean... on my taiwanese frame the ss cluster is definitely sloppy in comparison to yours. the paints a little sloppy too. i'm a little jealous, although that is a detail i doubt many would notice. i'm sure structurally it they are both equally sound. thanks for the pics, and watch out for those tree branches and overpasses. high handlebars are high. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?
I checked the QB link on Jim's site. First mention of QB arrival is RR #31, but no date associated with the issue. I am trying to date my Serial #56. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
Hm, i find that really odd as I run a VO *103mm* with an XD2 double to get good chainlines with my dingle cog. The crank is *right* up against the cup, but the machining around the taper hole on the crank does its job and there's no interference. Is this one of the newer XD2 with that machining? Is the crank new or used (i.e. is possible that the tapers on it are blown out?)? Is it a double or a triple? On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] wtb: NItto Technomic Deluxe 11 or 12cm
Hi folks, I'm still looking for an 11 or 12 cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem. Just grabbed Nitto Noodles from another list member. Thanks for all the responses. EJG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sierra To The Sea - 2010
Rode my Riv on the Sierra To The Sea supported tour from June 20 through 26. http://www.sierratothesea.org/ This ride is organized and conducted by volunteers from the Almaden Cycle Touring Club (ACTC). It was a great slice of California. Over six days we rode from Bear Valley in the Sierras to San Francisco. Some of the more memorable sections for me were the rollers going into Ione from Jackson, the day we rode the Pope Valley and did the Ink Grade Climb, and the route from Calistoga to the Russian River through the Alexander Valley. ACTC has been conducting this ride for the ~20 years and do a fantastic job organizing and conducting the ride. The Rivendell with Jack Brown greens was great to ride. Some photos are at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157624304760143/ -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sierra To The Sea - 2010
Looks like a great ride. Those California skies are intensely BLUE! Jealous The weather in Seattle just _finally_ broke today after a classic drizzly 4th of July. Rob in Seattle On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:38 PM, JimD wrote: Rode my Riv on the Sierra To The Sea supported tour from June 20 through 26. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pari-Moto Grand Bois Cypres PSI?
On Jul 4, 9:30 pm, Dave G d.gi...@verizon.net wrote: The Pari-Moto inflation range (as printed on the sidewall) is 55-75 psi. There is a picture of this on the Riv site in the Pari-Moto product listing. I don't know about the Cypres, but the Hetre max is also 75, and that is where I keep the rear tire with 10-15 psi less in the front. i weigh 155lbs. and run Hetres anywhere between 40-55psi - anything more than that and they lose their fun feel. I keep Pari-Motos anywhere between 50-65. same with the cypres. a little less if lots dirt is involved. is there any advantage at keeping such wide tires at or near their max rated psi? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
More pics (I'm calling it release candidate 1... guess what I do for a living?) are at: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%203%20-%20RC1?h=f19e1c Still to go: way too much to enumerate, each smallish... all the basics are there. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 4, 7:43 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry for the delay. There are seat cluster pics in http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%202?h=29474f Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 1, 11:38 am, mr.trout ianet...@yahoo.com wrote: Could you snap a couple of shots of the seat stay cluster? I'm just a little curious to see the difference in brazing between mine and yours. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
Very nice bike. And very nice build. My LBS just got in a couple of Hillbornes, including a 60. That one is just a single. Lucky for me, would hate to be tempted to get rid of my 56 for a doubled 60. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 5, 7:17 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: More pics (I'm calling it release candidate 1... guess what I do for a living?) are at: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%203%20-%2... Still to go: way too much to enumerate, each smallish... all the basics are there. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 4, 7:43 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry for the delay. There are seat cluster pics in http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%202?h=29474f Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 1, 11:38 am, mr.trout ianet...@yahoo.com wrote: Could you snap a couple of shots of the seat stay cluster? I'm just a little curious to see the difference in brazing between mine and yours. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
Wow! Those bars are up there! On Jul 5, 8:21 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Very nice bike. And very nice build. My LBS just got in a couple of Hillbornes, including a 60. That one is just a single. Lucky for me, would hate to be tempted to get rid of my 56 for a doubled 60. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 5, 7:17 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: More pics (I'm calling it release candidate 1... guess what I do for a living?) are at: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%203%20-%2... Still to go: way too much to enumerate, each smallish... all the basics are there. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 4, 7:43 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry for the delay. There are seat cluster pics in http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%202?h=29474f Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 1, 11:38 am, mr.trout ianet...@yahoo.com wrote: Could you snap a couple of shots of the seat stay cluster? I'm just a little curious to see the difference in brazing between mine and yours. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
Those bars have been lowered! Ya shudder seen 'em before! On Jul 5, 7:27 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Wow! Those bars are up there! On Jul 5, 8:21 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Very nice bike. And very nice build. My LBS just got in a couple of Hillbornes, including a 60. That one is just a single. Lucky for me, would hate to be tempted to get rid of my 56 for a doubled 60. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 5, 7:17 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: More pics (I'm calling it release candidate 1... guess what I do for a living?) are at: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%203%20-%2... Still to go: way too much to enumerate, each smallish... all the basics are there. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 4, 7:43 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry for the delay. There are seat cluster pics in http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne%202?h=29474f Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 1, 11:38 am, mr.trout ianet...@yahoo.com wrote: Could you snap a couple of shots of the seat stay cluster? I'm just a little curious to see the difference in brazing between mine and yours. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pari-Moto Grand Bois Cypres PSI?
Hi Patrick, The difference is that I weigh 210 compared to your 155, thus more air required to achieve that fun feel :=) Dave G On Jul 5, 7:50 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 4, 9:30 pm, Dave G d.gi...@verizon.net wrote: The Pari-Moto inflation range (as printed on the sidewall) is 55-75 psi. There is a picture of this on the Riv site in the Pari-Moto product listing. I don't know about the Cypres, but the Hetre max is also 75, and that is where I keep the rear tire with 10-15 psi less in the front. i weigh 155lbs. and run Hetres anywhere between 40-55psi - anything more than that and they lose their fun feel. I keep Pari-Motos anywhere between 50-65. same with the cypres. a little less if lots dirt is involved. is there any advantage at keeping such wide tires at or near their max rated psi? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I checked the QB link on Jim's site. First mention of QB arrival is RR #31, but no date associated with the issue. I am trying to date my Serial #56. Thank you. I rode Alex Wetmore's green QB in Fall 05 (maybe summer?). I don't know how close to the front of the line he was -- but it was the new thing when he got it. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] IRD 7-spd freewheel on Phil Wood road hub
I'm hoping to put an IRD 7-spd freewheel (from RBW) on a Phil Wood road hub, easy as pie, no fuss and no muss. The 7-spd will take the place of a Sachs 6-spd freewheel. Has anyone on this forum successfully made a change like this without a lot of rigmarole? I just read the following on the Phil Wood web site, and it has me thinking this might end up being trickier than I thought: (IRD freewheels are spaced differently and should you intend to use one of their freewheels, it is recommended that you look at our IRD- specific offerings.) Any insights (especially from personal experience) about this would be most welcome. Thanks. -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?
Thanks, John. RS From: John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 7:22:33 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived? On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I checked the QB link on Jim's site. First mention of QB arrival is RR #31, but no date associated with the issue. I am trying to date my Serial #56. Thank you. I rode Alex Wetmore's green QB in Fall 05 (maybe summer?). I don't know how close to the front of the line he was -- but it was the new thing when he got it. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: IRD 7-spd freewheel on Phil Wood road hub
I am pretty darn sure I have an IRD fw on my Phil Wood hub. Even if I don't, I can not imagine what the Phil Wood people are talking about. A freewheel is a freewheel. The only issue is how much lateral space it takes up on that side of the hub. If it threads on nicely and doesn't ram into your right dropout or right chainstay, then problems seem unlikely, if not impossible (assuming you have a compatible chain and derailleur on there, too). On Jul 5, 7:30 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: I'm hoping to put an IRD 7-spd freewheel (from RBW) on a Phil Wood road hub, easy as pie, no fuss and no muss. The 7-spd will take the place of a Sachs 6-spd freewheel. Has anyone on this forum successfully made a change like this without a lot of rigmarole? I just read the following on the Phil Wood web site, and it has me thinking this might end up being trickier than I thought: (IRD freewheels are spaced differently and should you intend to use one of their freewheels, it is recommended that you look at our IRD- specific offerings.) Any insights (especially from personal experience) about this would be most welcome. Thanks. -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS Nitto 177 Noodles 46 cm
Up for sale is a set of 46cm noodles lightly used $60 shipped conus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Bleriot Frameset
51cm. Custom dark blue metallic paint by Rivendell. Excellent condition. Ultegra headset included. $575 plus shipping. Pictures on request. Len Grossman S. Orange NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?
on 7/5/10 10:43 AM, Ray at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I checked the QB link on Jim's site. First mention of QB arrival is RR #31, but no date associated with the issue. I am trying to date my Serial #56. Thank you. Publication date printed on the RR #31 is January, 2004 (#32 is Spring, 2004, so I'm pretty confirmed on that as correct). - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?
Thank you, Jim. RS From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 9:10:39 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived? on 7/5/10 10:43 AM, Ray at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I checked the QB link on Jim's site. First mention of QB arrival is RR #31, but no date associated with the issue. I am trying to date my Serial #56. Thank you. Publication date printed on the RR #31 is January, 2004 (#32 is Spring, 2004, so I'm pretty confirmed on that as correct). - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
Hmmm well, the crankset was purchased new from RBW within the last year or so. It had been mounted once. I used a torque wrench and did not exceed the maximum torque on written on the crank arm bolts. If the tapers are blown out, it's amazingly easy to do. I'll find out over time I guess (when my pedals start moving funny or something). I don't know about any changes in machining on the XD2. Perhaps that's the explanation; mine is at least 6 months old, maybe as much as a year old. What's the difference between a triple and a double XD2? Isn't the XD2 QuickBeam sold by RBW just a triple with the outer chainring replaced by a chainguard? I've never seen an XD2 anywhere else; I guess I always assumed it was either some other model re-named for RBW's purposes or simply a specific variety of Sugino crank marketed through RBW. Didn't know there was a triple/double distinction. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 5, 1:34 pm, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, i find that really odd as I run a VO *103mm* with an XD2 double to get good chainlines with my dingle cog. The crank is *right* up against the cup, but the machining around the taper hole on the crank does its job and there's no interference. Is this one of the newer XD2 with that machining? Is the crank new or used (i.e. is possible that the tapers on it are blown out?)? Is it a double or a triple? On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
Don't know about symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. I can measure it when I get a chance. Wouldn't it be symmetrical unless otherwise indicated? Perhaps you're suggesting it's out of alignment somehow? As far as I know, the BB cartridge and the drive-side cup are one unit on this BB; it was the drive-side crank arm that interfered with the BB. It's the Grand Cru, not the threadless. No, I simply assumed it was a 107mm since that's what I ordered and that's what the package said. In light of some having used a VO 103mm BB with an XD2 crank, I'll measure it to see what size the spindle actually is. I note that the inner chainring was not in contact with the chainstay; so I'm guessing it was a 107mm minimum (as I have heard elsewhere that a 107mm BB XD2 combination can lead to a tight chainstay/chainring clearance). Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 5, 12:00 pm, cyclofiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Few questions on this one... Does the VO BB have an asymmetrical spindle? Or are you sure that the bb cartridge is correctly seated against the cup? Are you talking about the Grand Cru or the Threadless version? Have you measured the bb spindle to make sure it is as advertised? - Jim On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
Didn't measure it but will do so. Don't see how a spacer matters; a spacer wouldn't change the position of the spindle relative to the driveside face of the BB, would it? Don't know what the chainline is on the Truvativ 113mm BB; that's too tricky to measure for me to get it right. I can certainly believe there are variations. Perhaps I am suffering from those variations. Or perhaps I *do* have a flaky instance of one (or both! what are the odds!) of these items. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 5, 8:05 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: JIS tapers can and do vary from brand to brand. Some of the tapers fit in further than others. From my experience, they can vary as much as 4mm total, or 2mm each side. Couple of things. 1. Did you measure the actual length of the VO BB? 2. Did you try using a 2mm driveside spacer underneath the BB cup? 2. What's the chainline w/Truvative 113mm BB ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
I can see your point. Though the fact is that *mine* are incompatible, so I think the word is correctly used. I acknowledge that someone might interpret that as meaning they are known to be uniformly incompatible. But that's a reach without reading the thread, where I definitely speak only of mine. I haven't tried other samples of either. I can't say I intend to do so (just as expensive for me as it would be for anybody reading this). But if someone else is using a VO Grand Cru 107mm BB with an RBW- purchased XD2 triple crankset, I'd love to hear about it of course. Even better would be if someone were to purchase a VO Grand Cru 107mm BB and XD2 crankset tomorrow and make them work. Either situation would support the notion that one of my parts is not-quite-right. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 5, 12:04 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Did you check with VO and/or try other samples of either products? I think it's premature to call them incompatible after only one test case. On Jul 4, 10:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
on 7/5/10 9:25 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean at thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Don't know about symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. I can measure it when I get a chance. Wouldn't it be symmetrical unless otherwise indicated? Perhaps you're suggesting it's out of alignment somehow? Some of the Shimano ctg bb's were asymmetrical - longer to the driveside. You can see it usually, but can confirm it with calipers. I didn't know if maybe the VO bb was spec'd that way, and it somehow got reversed. As far as I know, the BB cartridge and the drive-side cup are one unit on this BB; it was the drive-side crank arm that interfered with the BB. I'm pretty sure that those cartridges are press-fit into the cup on the driveside. It's possible that the cartridge didn't seat properly, or there's something wrong with the thickness of the cup, which would move everything towards the non-drive side. It's the Grand Cru, not the threadless. No, I simply assumed it was a 107mm since that's what I ordered and that's what the package said. In light of some having used a VO 103mm BB with an XD2 crank, I'll measure it to see what size the spindle actually is. I note that the inner chainring was not in contact with the chainstay; so I'm guessing it was a 107mm minimum (as I have heard elsewhere that a 107mm BB XD2 combination can lead to a tight chainstay/chainring clearance). With that kind of result, I'd definitely measure the spindle for starters. Wouldn't be the first time that a package was mismarked/mispacked. Best of luck! - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O Report and Video
Very cool! Rob in Seattle On Jul 3, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Andy.M wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9HUJtrxsk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
I have similar experience with Thomas. I recently put a XD500 crankset on my wife's Trek 620. The crank was previously mounted on a Shimano UN54 107mm bottom bracket and worked fine. I tried 2 bottom brackets I had in my parts bin--a 107mm IRD XB-75 bottom bracket and a 113mm VO bottom bracket, on both occasions the inner side of the crankset rubbed the teeth on the bottom bracket cups. The XD500 crankset has been in service for probably 4 years now. On the VO BB, it wasn't even close. On the IRD, it was extremely close to being at maximum torque, so I simply reinstall it with just a hair of gap between the crank arm and the teeth. I did measure the VO BB to be of the right spindle length. Franklyn On Jul 5, 10:11 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 7/5/10 9:25 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean at thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Don't know about symmetrical vs. asymmetrical. I can measure it when I get a chance. Wouldn't it be symmetrical unless otherwise indicated? Perhaps you're suggesting it's out of alignment somehow? Some of the Shimano ctg bb's were asymmetrical - longer to the driveside. You can see it usually, but can confirm it with calipers. I didn't know if maybe the VO bb was spec'd that way, and it somehow got reversed. As far as I know, the BB cartridge and the drive-side cup are one unit on this BB; it was the drive-side crank arm that interfered with the BB. I'm pretty sure that those cartridges are press-fit into the cup on the driveside. It's possible that the cartridge didn't seat properly, or there's something wrong with the thickness of the cup, which would move everything towards the non-drive side. It's the Grand Cru, not the threadless. No, I simply assumed it was a 107mm since that's what I ordered and that's what the package said. In light of some having used a VO 103mm BB with an XD2 crank, I'll measure it to see what size the spindle actually is. I note that the inner chainring was not in contact with the chainstay; so I'm guessing it was a 107mm minimum (as I have heard elsewhere that a 107mm BB XD2 combination can lead to a tight chainstay/chainring clearance). With that kind of result, I'd definitely measure the spindle for starters. Wouldn't be the first time that a package was mismarked/mispacked. Best of luck! - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility
I am putting my money on it being the crank not being machined properly. On the drive side, at the square taper interface, the cranks should be turned down a bit so that one can run a short BB spindle. This will allow the cranks to snug into the driveside bb cup without binding the crank to the cup, or to the bearing. I've seen maybe 3-4 Sugino cranksets, all of them being of the XD variety (Sugino's basic 110 and 130 bcd crank design sold to various importers) over the last couple of years not have this machining. It basically causes the crank to bottom out on the driveside cup much too soon, as the original poster has pointed out. If one uses a longer spindle BB, then it does not happen, but when you are trying to get a good chainline (singlespeed, multispeed) or a lower Q-factor, this can happen with an improperly machined crank. It sounds like you should contact Rivendell about getting a replacement crankset. Good luck. Gabe On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird. Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't work together for me. The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ, which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm would, though. Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point; longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with in the first place.) Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
